Feng Shui, the DHARMA symbol and the shark's symbol. - Lost-Forum.com

ether · 09-28-2005, 10:18 PM

FENG SHUI

Desmonds apartment:

The shark's symbol: *Large image*
http://ourworld.cs.com/VAST321/shark.jpg

Desmond's DHARMA symbol has a curved line connecting "Career Prospects" and "Marriage and Romantic Happiness". When we first saw the DHARMA symbol, half of the episode was about Jack meeting his future wife, developing his bedside manner and Desmond mentioning he almost became doctor (Career and Romantic Happiness).

The shark's symbol has a line connecting "Family and Health" and "Children".
In this episode, half the episode was about Michael and Walt (Family and Children). Feng shui and the symbols may have a strong significance in the plot.

Anyone else found any possible Feng Shui connections to the show?

**Sing_Without_A_Reason** · 09-28-2005, 10:21 PM

Wow! That's.. weird. If you're right, I can't believe they would put that much detail into the show. That's a lot of extra detail, even for Lost

But it's crazy that you found that. Nice find!

ether · 09-28-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sing_Without_A_Reason

Wow! That's.. weird. If you're right, I can't believe they would put that much detail into the show. That's a lot of extra detail, even for Lost

But it's crazy that you found that. Nice find!

If we can isolate and get a close up of any new Feng Shui symbol in future episodes.. we might get a sense of what portions of the character's lives will be revealed that episode.

jazzandty · 09-28-2005, 10:26 PM

My wife and I are new to the post and we stopped it on this scean. thank god for DVR. We couldn't figure out what it said. I don't see a shark. I see a Swan or Bird of some sort..

**Sing_Without_A_Reason** · 09-28-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzandty

My wife and I are new to the post and we stopped it on this scean. thank god for DVR. We couldn't figure out what it said. I don't see a shark. I see a Swan or Bird of some sort..

No, the symbol was on the shark in the ocean

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Originally Posted by ether

If we can isolate and get a close up of any new Feng Shui symbol in future episodes.. we might get a sense of what portions of the character's lives will be revealed that episode.

Good point. That'd be pretty cool

topher · 09-28-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sing_Without_A_Reason

No, the symbol was on the shark in the ocean

No - he means the line that runs inside the symbol looks like a swan. I agree, it does (on the one Locke examines)

But this theory is interesting. However, if that's a line, it does not really connect Career Prospects and Marriage and Romantic Happiness. It starts on Education & knowledge, moves through Career Prospects, then Mentors and Networking before crossing over to Marriage and Romantic Happiness.

...or it could be Water Yellow implying that people not drink any

kui · 09-30-2005, 07:06 AM

i have always thought about the yin-yang, feng-shui theory, well since august anyway (from uk) ever since i saw locke with the light and dark back gammon pieces, i had a play on the oceanicflight815 sight where you keep clicking on the blimps and it reminded me of constellations, today i looked up the origin of yin and yang and found this http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm i think the triangle is very interesting considering sayid joining up rousseus maps, (i have an idea all this has been covered before but as i am new i hope you will all forgive me) it seems to much of a coincidence to me that the way yin and yang came about was by using a pole about 8 feet long, posted at right angles to the ground and recorded positions of the shadow. Then they found the length of a year is around 365.25 days. They even divided the year's cycle into 24 Segments, which brings me to the rules of backgammon, two players, played on a board consisting of twenty-four narrow triangles called points. The triangles alternate in color and are grouped into four quadrants of six triangles each.

benos · 09-30-2005, 07:27 AM

S: (n) Dharma (basic principles of the cosmos; also: an ancient sage in Hindu mythology worshipped as a god by some lower castes

yeah i said it another thread, so i lure this here.

CheshireJessica · 10-03-2005, 03:32 PM

So... the synopsis of my theory...

1. We know writers started from the mythology of the island. So they started from the answer out.

2. The grand scheme the writers created was that the island is the place where all beliefs/great religions/beliefs converge.

3. From here I think the writers created "the numbers" which are taken from different great beliefs. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaiam, Muslim Faiths.

4. From the numbers they worked "out" - meaning they created the entire premise/plot around the numbers (which is taken from beliefs).

5. That is why they created the island to be at that longitude/latitude. I think this is where they took the idea of the "Southern Lights" From the numbers they made a connection with the elements, not all, but Oxygen and Phosphorus. Thus the "Southern Lights" seen in the pilot. I think they took that premise and created the compass is the wrong way/magnatism" plot. Those are effects of the phenomenom of the "Southern/Northern Lights".

6.What is red/white/black (Phosphorus), I think that is why they created the "character" of the Black Rock. "Black Rock" = Phosporus. they needed to create a premise of how so much of it could cause Southern Lights, which would be to create a ship mining it and full of it. How did it get in the middle of an "island"? See 7. I think he If the ship people were mining it, then it would have eventually caused their death, relatively quickly. I don't think this has to do with the "Others".

7. Because I think that the main plot/answer is for all beliefs to converge at this one island, I think the "island" is a place created by a group of people who were searching for a way to create and fullfill their religious beliefs. Hense Desmond being in a hatch. I pegged him as a person who was created to essentially fufill the Buddhist belief of the need for special people to "pray" day and night. In Buddhism past, their would be "brahmins/certain people" whose job it was to pray for 108 days, then start over until 108, then start over.. so the world wouldn't "end" . It is part of the mythology in Buddhism. I use the word mythology to mean a part of Religious History. I certainly am not trying to denigrate that belief system. (Example. In Christianity we have Moses who prayed and thus the "plagues" occuring. It isn't something that has happened in the present, but a part of the Christian/Jewish belief system) A Brahmin day I believe is equal to a half or quarter of a Roman Day, can't remember. More on that mythology and its use as a plot device to represent Buddhism is in the first post of this thread.

7. "All roads lead here" - This is the island. All beliefs systems (as stated above) converge to this one very special island. They said there is not on definitive answer, which would mean many. I think that LOST is based on all great faiths pointing to this manmade island.

8. The numbers are significant as a whole, (108), but that I think is the only correlation. Yes they created the numbers to be part of the plot, but I think the numbers are related to the number mythology in different great religions.

9. The characters were tailer made and second to the plot of the island. This is why the characters all have the numbers in their path. It signifies that they will be lead to the island, and the writers are making a point with them that they are part of the grand scheme of the island.

10. Season 1 I believe was written to signify the numbers and their correlation to Juddaism and Christianity. There were many references to both of those belief sets, which are related to a limited extent.

11. Season 2 I believe was written to signify the numbers and their correlation to Buddhism/Hinduism. Hence, 108 (heavenly realm), basis of desmond being in the hatch, acting as a traditions "Brahmin", which is taken specifically from Buddhist beliefs. The Logo also signifies traditional "Eastern" beliefs, such as I-Ching (Not Feng Shui).

12. "in another life", is significant to Buddhism in that it correlates to 108 Sins, and 108 Great Beliefs. I believe it refers to Karma (all things come full circle), and meaning redeaming from sin referring specifically to Busshism. After redemption you are "in another life".

12. "Lift it up", initially I thought this was a reference to Christianity, and meaning to believe in greater things, do the right thing. But in reference to Buddhism, I think it means to specifically believe in yourself and in that everything will work out.

13. I think next season will bring another set of Beliefs, perhaps they will focus on "The Others" and how they fit in to a new set of beliefs.

14. Why do I think this was the grand scheme? Because what way would a writer get away with writing things that are seemingly very science fiction and have it not BE Science Fiction. To create a plot based on beliefs, which as many know, are taken at face value, meaning having happened and documented as the truth. This would give the writers the vehicle to create seemingly outlandish plots and unsual happenings seemingly having no meaning, and basing on actual events. Because there are many beliefs, I believe they are integrating many belief systems. This would mean that there is an actual answer to what it happening, making it NOT Science Fiction. Why? Because point of view is relative, and no one can say with an absolute answer that what another person believes is not "true". For example, I am Christian, do I believe in a virgin birth of Jesus. ABSOLUTELY! But to say it is not true and real, is a point of view and based on your belief system. Hence, everything is based in reality.

16. This also gives way to Walt being a Siddha, which in Buddhist belief, is a child who is boen "special", with powers that other people can't understand. One thing Siddha's had in common, they could make rain start/stop. They also had powers that were not normal to a "regular" persons senses, and the realm of this power was beyond the comprehension of a "regular" person. (I didn't want to say normal, because hey, normal is relative.)

17. That was the signifigance of man of faith man of science. Meaning the truth and reality are all only a matter of a point of view.

18. If I am correct, then it is a genius concept, because it is a way to create a story with a basis in reality. The writers, when commenting on how they came up with the concept, stated they started with the mythology of the island.

But that I think is the answer my fellow fans!

burnz · 10-03-2005, 07:51 PM

Dharma symbol is meaningless in my view. I think it is just a company symbol. Companies always try to find catchy symbols and put their name in it.

I think he worked for Dharma.

o Who built that compex? Obviously one person working alone could not build a huge cement bunker. A company could.
o Who purchased all the supplies? Dharma Inc.
o Does anyone realize the complexity of building any livable environment? Do you know how many subcontractors are needed? Electricians, plumbers, etc? Need $$.
o Is Dharma a research company? Aerospace company?
o Do you realize how much work it would take to transfer the equipment and food to the hatch?
o He has the symbol on his shirt - it is a company uniform.

The facility appears old - late 70's. Old music, lava lamp, old computer. My thoery is Dharma has it as a monitoring station. Since Desmond met Jack a few years ago, obviously he has not been in there for many years. Who was in there before him, and where is this person now?

drexelpike · 10-03-2005, 08:52 PM

hey all, first time poster. good discussions.

couple things: DHARMA is a literal buddhist term that means 'protection' (reference: http://aboutdharma.org/what-is-dharma.php) so i think dharma is a company like its been said before, but I also think the company is in the business of 'protecting' (protecting what is anyone's guess right now).

second, the hatch. I think the fact that the word 'quarantine' was on the INSIDE of the door is significant. Wouldn't that imply that what was being quarantined was in fact everything NOT inside that bunker?

third, with regards to security. The shark, the 'security system', Desmond... what if Dharma was not guarding the island from intrusion, but rather guarding something from escape?

thoughts anyone?

CheshireJessica · 10-03-2005, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by drexelpike

hey all, first time poster. good discussions.

couple things: DHARMA is a literal buddhist term that means 'protection' (reference: http://aboutdharma.org/what-is-dharma.php) so i think dharma is a company like its been said before, but I also think the company is in the business of 'protecting' (protecting what is anyone's guess right now).

second, the hatch. I think the fact that the word 'quarantine' was on the INSIDE of the door is significant. Wouldn't that imply that what was being quarantined was in fact everything NOT inside that bunker?

third, with regards to security. The shark, the 'security system', Desmond... what if Dharma was not guarding the island from intrusion, but rather guarding something from escape?

thoughts anyone?

You know I never thought of that. It indeed could just be a "metaphorical" name for a company. Also, I never even gave a thought to a company of sorts wanting to not keep people from getting to the island, but to keep people on the island. It would make sense that the shark would "eat" anything going from the island to ensure people wouldn't "escape".

Maybe it is a prison of sorts, or a dumping ground that Dharma corp. assures other companies that their mistake/secrets won't ever escape. Also goes with the testing ground theories I have read.

J-Abrams · 10-04-2005, 07:28 AM

Have you guys checked this out..
Its a new website i think connected to LOST and that symbol..
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

I still cant get in..
anyone else have luck