The Kid!

[Hockeyking]

I'm not excited that this new higher power was introduced tonight. Flocke was definitely acknowledging him as a superior force. The kid talking about the rules was a little bit of a answer. Since it was against the rules for him to kill Jacob, that's what Ben was for. He was the loop hole for Jacob to die.

[matt608]

Who was the kid that Locke saw when he was talking to Richard?

[rainygirl]

looked like Jacob to me

[Trum_15]

it might be Aaron!

[trixter23]

the little prince!

[MissMillsonxx]

My initial thought was Aaron just cause the kid was blond but upon more consideration i think it might be Jacob or possibly someone new we don't know about yet.

[Wagsy]

Timmy!

[Eviljeremy]

It can't be Aaron, Aaron is back on the mainland, and is waaay younger than this kid.

[DimaG]

Might be Jacob, who knows?

PS: Does anyone else have a feeling that this is not the last season? Well, I know it is, but we are getting more and more questions!:)

[millllllls]

yeah it's either jacob or maybe aaron that'd be cool

[L0ST_RunsMyLife]

Its gotta be Aaron, he was built up as being so important, something has to happen with him and SOON

[nmpeterson]

It's not Aaron: in the timeline that we saw this kid in, Kate had just come back to the island after three years on the mainland, where she left Aaron with Claire's mother.

[futant mutant]

He looked a ton like Jacob to me

Everything about him reminded me of Jacob

[irod33]

Its gotta be Aaron, he was built up as being so important, something has to happen with him and SOON

Probably, but i thought of a young Sawyer, lol who knows

[brent-o]

Something about that kid just screamed Claire, especially the eyes.

[Nefertari]

Did anyone get a screen shot of the first time we see the kid when Flocke was talking to Richard? Was he bloody? That could be a clue as to who he is.

[iLOVErichard316]

i thought young sawyer at first when we saw him talking to richard. but an older aaron is a good guess. i thought jacob too. i guess we're just gonna have to find out

yeah i actually thought the kid was bloody at first too! creepy kinda reminded me of in like season 1 or 2 when shannon is in the jungle and we see walt dripping water

[maryberry]

could it be the smoke monster as a young boy?

[coenak]

I was thinking little Jacob as well.

[straydog181]

maybe i have a bad memory but did he look like young john locke(the real one that is)

[cluckclucketyday]

I don't think it was Jacob because he said "It was against the rules to kill HIM" However, what if he was talking about killing Locke?

[heavenV]

He looked a ton like Jacob to me

Everything about him reminded me of Jacob

yep i agree

[ctash]

could be aaron..could be jacob... for all we know aaron could be jacob....all i do know is its not a child

[whereRwe]

Dont be fooled just because he has blonde hair. It could easily be a spirit occupying an other or possibly a new character that we have not been introduced to yet.

[Milhouse911]

I originally thought it was Zach, the kid from the tail section who was abducted by the others, but I don't think it's the same actor. Then I thought Jacob. But I'm rooting for Aaron because that would rock! Yeah, his age doesn't seem right, but we've already got time travel to explain that. If that's the case, they could use the same explanation to show an older Walt, too.

Also, the kid was dressed similarly to how Claire was dressed last episode.

[Alias]

Maybe it's Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllll lllllllttttttttttt !!!!


:P

[brian8pie]

When he said "its against the rules" it really made me think of playing a game. There is a lot of mention of rules, maybe flocke and jacob are playing some sort of "game". Some type of game with peoples lives, and the kid is the referee of the game. Not to get off topic, but this seems evident after seeing the cave. The wall of names seemed like a score board, the names are people jacob brings to the island, and the ones crossed out are the ones smokey killed. i dunno just a wile guess

[Christyyy]

i thought young sawyer at first when we saw him talking to richard. but an older aaron is a good guess. i thought jacob too. i guess we're just gonna have to find out

yeah i actually thought the kid was bloody at first too! creepy kinda reminded me of in like season 1 or 2 when shannon is in the jungle and we see walt dripping water


His arms looked bloody to me... I don't know if I saw it correctly but it looked like he had his sleeves up and his arms were all bloodied up.

[MrCluck]

It can't be jacob because the kid said "you can't kill him" not "you can't kille me"

[Luci]

I thought he was Jacob at first, but I really like this theory that he might be Aaron. That would just be so freaking cool. And it would explain why he's so important to the island.

[foxy_loves_me]

Jacob reborn? :ponder:

[KAHANA]

He was wearing Others style clothes so maybe they "sent" the kid as a threat to Flocke. Or maybe it's Jacob appearing as a child (maybe he can do that now that he's dead). I'm wondering if whatever this kid is is similar to Walt's situation and this is how they'll explain that.

[Mouth04]

It appeared to me that perhaps the chosen ones, #'s 4 8 15 16 23 42 may be the only ones that can see the boy.

When Flocke saw the kid the first time, Richard didn't see him... the second time, Sawyer did.

[tokabol23]

what if the baby kate took back to the mainland was a substitute baby and aaron actually stayed on the island with claire. and then maybe he aged super fast because of some time force thing we dont know about. far out? probably.

[MissMillsonxx]

It appeared to me that perhaps the chosen ones, #'s 4 8 15 16 23 42 may be the only ones that can see the boy.

When Flocke saw the kid the first time, Richard didn't see him... the second time, Sawyer did.
I'm liking this theory.

[Alias]

His arms looked bloody to me... I don't know if I saw it correctly but it looked like he had his sleeves up and his arms were all bloodied up.


This is when Flocke was talking to Richard.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6408/bloodykid.jpg

This is when Flocke was talking to Sawyer

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8974/notbloodykid.jpg



It was the bloody first image that made me think it was Jacob in some form.

[bradymcgrady25]

It can't be jacob because the kid said "you can't kill him" not "you can't kille me"

Wrong, he meant you can't kill Sawyer.

[brian8pie]

i think that shows something even more important, the random ray of light directly on the kid

[Dexter By Design]

I'm definitely leaning heavily towards Jacob on this one. It's gotta be either him or Jacob in some weird twist. To everyone saying that what the kid said proves it can't be Jacob you're wrong, I'm pretty sure he was talking about Sawyer when he said that.

[AModernMyth]

Looked like a young Jacob to me. He even talked about the rules.

[Flight of Youth]

Wrong, he meant you can't kill Sawyer.

Interesting theory. Tho, it didn't seem like MiB had any intention of killing Sawyer...

[bradymcgrady25]

Interesting theory. Tho, it didn't seem like MiB had any intention of killing Sawyer...

I mean it makes sense... considering RAlpert said that John Smocke's plan was to kill all of them. I think what The Child said had something to do with not being able to kill one of 'the candidates'

[gypsymama]

i'm kinda getting some jesus imagery here, with the bloody hands and the light surrounding him. perhaps some reference to someone's resurrection??

[Katie27]

what if the baby kate took back to the mainland was a substitute baby and aaron actually stayed on the island with claire. and then maybe he aged super fast because of some time force thing we dont know about. far out? probably.

I love this theory.
I didn't think it was Aaron. My first thought was Sawyer or Jacob. But then when I came here and I heard all these theories about it being Aaron, I think that could be it. Could be.
But then this? Yeah. That would be pretty crazy. I love this show.

[nmpeterson]

It's definitely not Aaron, people: he's living happily off-island with his grandma and is not old enough to be the bloody-armed child, in any case.

[betling125]

the ray of light and the way the kids standing with his arms out like that certainly look jesus-ish. dare i say, crucified? ol boy jesus held out his arms and showed the his bloody hands as proof to his disciples in the bible .... i really hope this show doesnt end up as the "good vs evil, jesus vs satan" thing that people seem to think it will, but still, the kid's a little bit christ-y there

[L0ST_RunsMyLife]

It appeared to me that perhaps the chosen ones, #'s 4 8 15 16 23 42 may be the only ones that can see the boy.

When Flocke saw the kid the first time, Richard didn't see him... the second time, Sawyer did.
Very interesting idea, if that is the case then possibly it would be Jacob in some form

[Flight of Youth]

I mean it makes sense... considering RAlpert said that John Smocke's plan was to kill all of them. I think what The Child said had something to do with not being able to kill one of 'the candidates'

Yes, Richard did say that, but after seeing MiB this episode does it seem like he wants to kill Sawyer or any of the other candidates? It could just be referring to Jacob...

[peteubb]

with the way the others were "intrigued"(for lack of a better word) by walt maybe this is an "other" kid who can project himself somehow similar to walt

[RJC]

maybe i have a bad memory but did he look like young john locke(the real one that is)

I'm loving this suggestion, of course this would be Jacob using the image of the young Locke in island style clothing to 'haunt' MIB and taunt him a bit.

It can't be jacob because the kid said "you can't kill him" not "you can't kille me"

He meant MIB killing Sawyer, this was pretty much confirmed with what Richard said to Sawyer.

The kid could be anybody and while speculating is fun I think I'm just going to sit back and wait to see what it turns out to be. A superior, third player, could be the answer but who knows?

[Sacred Knight]

The first closeup of the boy had me thinking he looked so much like Emilie de Ravin he could actually be related to her. Whether that resemblance was designed in casting this kid who knows, but he really looks like her as far as I'm concerned.

[bradymcgrady25]

Yes, Richard did say that, but after seeing MiB this episode does it seem like he wants to kill Sawyer or any of the other candidates? It could just be referring to Jacob...

Until we know what the MiB's motives are, I'm going to take what he says with a grain of salt. We still don't exactly know if he's the good guy or the bad guy.

It wouldn't have made sense that he was talking about Jacob, considering 1) he's already dead, and 2) MiB was allowed to kill Jacob, he just needed to find some kind of loophole.

[Dharmakarmarama]

I remember reading on a spoiler thread about casting, before the series started airing

They were casting for a blonde boy 9 years old to appear 8 years old, a dark haired boy the same and also a 14 year old dark haired boy - so i guess there are more kids to come

[futant mutant]

i think that shows something even more important, the random ray of light directly on the kid


this light and the bloody hands make me think Jesusy stigmata kinda stuff
I hope not but.....

on the third day he rose again

I really hope no religious theories arise

no outdated dogmatic ones at least

[mefox]

i think that the kid may be part of a larger group of "rule makers" that created the rules we know for jacob vs MIB and ben vs charles

[joesmith28]

this light and the bloody hands make me think Jesusy stigmata kinda stuff

You're just reading too much into it, they had him stand in the light because of the shadows it casts on his face, combined with the blood it just makes him appear more scary.

[mcvickerfan]

It seems logical to me that if MIB and Jacob have to play by certain rules than there is a power higher than either of them. Could it be the boy? Flocke seemed scared or at least respectful of the boy and as Sawyer pointed out, this man doesn't show fear.

[RTYJKL23]

I'm pretty sure the show meant for him to be interpreted as a young Jacob. He talked to MIB in a similar way as his old nemesis Jacob did, like two sparring equals.

[heavenV]

i dont know but Flocke sure looked scared when he saw the kid. And it seems like the kid has a higher power than Flocke. He knows the rules, and Flocke just being so defensive when he talks to him.

i think he is Aaron. ;)

[Storyteller]

Maybe the light that casts on the kid in the first scene represents a vision Flocke has, where the second encounter is really actually happening. And thats why Sawyer can see him -- he was really there that time.

[Jef]

Ok we now know where the list of names came from in the first season.

But does appearance of a new child give reason to why the "others" took the original lostie children and possibly were after walt and aaron?

Were they searching for the child who could keep smoke monster under control?

[Deadman69]

There are some theories spreading about a 3rd player in this little black vs white game. And I think its this guy:

http://www.abload.de/img/3x20_jacob_portraitp5gg.jpg


I know its not a strong theory but the clothes remind me a little bit. Watch the buttons on the side of the jacket.

http://www.abload.de/img/vlcsnap-2010-02-17-05hu6b7.jpg

[Christyyy]

There are some theories spreading about a 3rd player in this little black vs white game. And I think its this guy:

http://www.abload.de/img/3x20_jacob_portraitp5gg.jpg

What scene is that from?

[Deadman69]

Season 3 Episode 20 When Ben and Locke visit "Jacob" in the cabin

[Pinjo]

To people saying it's too old to be Aaron: Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sayid appeared in the 70's as adults when they should have been childen. It's not hard to imagine Aron returned to the island and time-jumped back a few years to what will be the final few days of the big war between good and evil. I am hoping it is Aaron and we will finly get to see his importance.

[Alias]

"I know its not a strong theory but the clothes remind me a little bit. Watch the buttons on the side of the jacket."

If you are going by clothes he could also be Lennon from the Temple or Nelson from The Simpsons :D

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/c/A/nelson.jpg

[October Sky]

^ haha!

And that's a really good catch about the clothes!!!! It could be little Jacob...maybe Jacob can take shape in multiple forms?

[Dan-KF]

The kid said 'you killed him, you broke the rules" he is reffering to jacob. So the kid ain't jacob.

I can believe the kid being the old man in the cabin...and also being aaron but thats just another underdevepoled theory.

[cdaboysfan]

My first thought was Jacob. It seems odd that Sawyer saw him but Richard didn't. Why did he have blood on him the first time? Almost seems like this could be a third entity overseeing Jacob and the man in black.

[muucelee89]

i vote jacob, because the mib was surprised that sawyer could see him, suggesting that he was not in normal living human form. kind of like when hurley saw jacob right after jacob died. the boy also addressed the mib in a matter of fact way, almost spitefully because he was annoyed that the mib had found a way to "kill" him.....this is probably the dead child form of jacob and jacob is just "reminding" the mib what the rules are. (there can not be an evil without a good. there can not be a good without an evil. otherwise the world ends)

[angela]

maybe the kid was referring to Locke-as the one 'you're weren't supposed to kill him'...also-this could be young charlie-Penny and Desmond's kid for all we know. Desmond is the game-changer in this, after all...

[Deadman69]

Then tell me your theory about it.
What I know (maybe i missed something... could be possible) is that there was a cabin surrounded by a ash circle used to be inhabited by Jacob but it wasn't for a long time. Illana said that someone else used it. It is not Jacob - he went to the statue and why the hell would he need a cirle around the cabin? He doesn't seem to be afraid of the MIB or need protection. Did we see a ash cirle around the statue? I'm afraid not!
So who else could it be? I think its a 3rd guy. Someone who is taking advantage of this conflict. He appeared in the cabin in the night when Locke and Ben went there. He appeared to Hurley along with Christian in the cabin.

I don't think that this kid is Jacob. He said that only Hurley could see him and he appeared tho him like he died and not as kid. I know its not a strong theory but theory is a theory. I just think I recognized something odd in this whole cabin story.

Sorry my English is not the best.

[Boo67]

That would be cool and thematically rhymes with Ben killing Jacob and trying to kill Penny.

[Alias]

The kid said 'you killed him, you broke the rules" he is reffering to jacob. So the kid ain't jacob.

I can believe the kid being the old man in the cabin...and also being aaron but thats just another underdevepoled theory.


Kid:
"You know the rules.
You can't kill him."


Flocke:
"Don't tell me what I can't do !!!!
Don't tell me what I can't do !!!!

[October Sky]

i vote jacob, because the mib was surprised that sawyer could see him, suggesting that he was not in normal living human form. kind of like when hurley saw jacob right after jacob died.

Or like in the cabin, when no one was supposed to see Jacob/the person who could really be this kid????). Then Locke saw him!!

Maybe this person is the real threat, the person who makes the rules.

[The Gunslinger]

First thing I thought when I saw him was little Jacob.

I really hope this kid doesn't become a big part of the show.

[Billy BK]

I highly doubt it's Jacob. I think it's a 3rd party, perhaps the referees of the game, and only the chosen players can see them. Maybe the whispers will FINALLY be explained.

[Gud2BMe]

Or like in the cabin, when no one was supposed to see Jacob/the person who could really be this kid????). Then Locke saw him!!

Maybe this person is the real threat, the person who makes the rules.

My thought is that this "child/vision" is someone that is from MIB's past. My theory is that the blond boy is an older sibling to both Jacob and MIB and he "created/passed on" the rules to this game. :cool:

[invertebrae]

Kid seems obviously cast to resemble Jacob but as a boy. The mannerism, the cryptic banter, the face, hair color, all of it.

I think "You know the rules. You can't kill him," was probably referring to Sawyer? Flocke was Smokey in the beginning, he looked into "Sawyer's house" before finding Richard and cutting him down. And later, Richard finds Sawyer and says Flocke's going to kill him.

...ryan

[eNdless]

In my opinion the kid is the power(God) that bound essau and jacob to the island and made the rules.

As we know children have a special position on the island, no kids can be born there under normal circumstances.

So my guess would be that God took the image of a kid to communicate with essau and tell him it was against the rules to kill jacob.
Alltough you could see the anger in the kids eyes when he knew he couldnt do anything against essau because he didnt actually kill jacob himself and only used a loophole to do it.

[Hugh Critz]

He can't be Jacob. Seemed more like a third-party guy between Jacob and Flocke

[invertebrae]

He can't be Jacob. Seemed more like a third-party guy between Jacob and Flocke

Why not? Do we believe Jacob burned into total ash in that fire? I think it's premature to assume Jacob is gone for sure. That whole scene seemed like Aslan in Narnia to me... aka some sort of ruse to trick the bad guys into thinking they've won.

...ryan

[TMoney777]

I've been waiting for some sort of an appearance by a higher power since we were finally shown the two "players" of the "game" in the Incident. If there are rules, then there must be a higher echelon who holds sway over those rules. I think this child represents that higher power. It doesn't need to have a religious connotation, the kid doesn't need to be God, and Jacob and MIB don't need to be Jesus and the Devil. I think we're seeing a unique vision of the "powers that be" of the universe, dreamt up by the genius team of Damon and Carlton. No matter who you choose to pray to, I think the mysterious triumverate of the island represents the true form of the order of things, and any form of religion is humanity's attempt to try to understand the universe and an attempt to plug figures into roles that our ancient ancestors thought best represented the innate conflict of the human soul. Good/evil, faith/logic, morality/temptation - every human feels the push and pull residing within, and it can't be explained how such dualities were coded into our inner minds, into our souls.

Here's one interesting hypothesis. I don't care if its right or wrong, but it's fun to come up with some sort of overarching theory just based on tonight's awesome episode alone. The child, a manifestation of the supreme architect of the universe, has his eye on earth. Earth is an "Island" within the greater universe, our beloved island but on a much grander scale. In similar fashion to how some people draw parallels between the island and the moving cabin, on a much smaller scale. Perhaps we are not alone in the universe, perhaps there are other worlds we are unaware of, perhaps those other worlds are the infinite number of multiverse slices, under many worlds theory. The child/GOD observes Earth, in the world our losties have occupied for 5 seasons, watches the human race grow and develop after billions of years. He is displeased with the destructive nature of the human soul, and maybe that tendency toward self-destruction is shared by all worlds within the universe, whether that means across space or across the multiverse. He places a special island on earth. Its purpose? To reveal the true nature of man, to determine whether humanity is worth even having around, or whether the book of creation will need to be rewritten, starting from scratch to eliminate the innate flaws of mankind (i.e. Noah's flood anyone?). Situations have undoubtedly been presented in connection with this special place, situations that allow opportunity for redemption, specific to every one of our losties. The Being places two "judges" on the island, a TEAM of two souls, whose job it is to prove that man is worth saving. They test man's ability to correct his own flaws (Jack's need to save, Locke's blind gullibility, Ben's immoral manipulation, Sayid's murderous ways, etc.), to find redemption. Over time, much much time (after all, what's a few thousand years to a being that has been around since the big bang), MIB sees the endeavor as fruitless and that man never changes his ways and he wants to be shed of this job and be at rest, while his friend and partner in assignment Jacob holds true to the call of the divine assignment. Jacob brings people to the island to continue to search for proof that man is worth saving, that man can be redeemed upon his own free will. The longevity of the assignment eventually polarizes MIB and Jacob from two old friends, to two weary adversaries, to black and white. MIB represents the logical opinion that if their guinea pigs haven't by now redeemed the flaws of their character, then they never will. The island experiment should be destroyed along with humanity, the island earth should be wiped off the slate of the universe, the MIB can end his servitude and be at peace in the afterlife. Jacob represents continued faith in the strength of the human spirit, that man can change his ways, and that self-destruction is not the inevitable outcome. Every group that comes to the island represents humanity coming closer and closer to finding redemption and avoiding annihilation at the hands of the creator (child). The candidacy refers to Jacob's need to find a replacement to continue his quest after his death at the hand of MIB's loophole, as he knew this was an inevitability. Neither "old friend" has proven their desired outcome in the eyes of the creator, and the creator has all the time in the world to wait for an "end." Any time we perceive is a mere blink of an eye in the grand architecture of the universe.

That theory could be wicked far off base, but I'd definitely watch a show that addresses such heady mythological stuff any day.

ps - That whole anti-religious thing could be for nought. We may be seeing the holy triumverate itself. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Child, Jacob, and MIB (smokey/spirit/tongue of fire connection anyone?).

[Boo67]

Dharma and Alpert know there is a Powerkid out there. Locke evaluated as a kid. Kate and Sawyer as kids touched by Jacob, Walt questioned by Dharma, kids getting dragged away by the Others, it's not a surprise that the uberpower comes in the form of a kid.

[Soturks]

Dharma and Alpert know there is a Powerkid out there. Locke evaluated as a kid. Kate and Sawyer as kids touched by Jacob, Walt questioned by Dharma, kids getting dragged away by the Others, it's not a surprise that the uberpower comes in the form of a kid.

It was Ben and the "Others/Hostiles" that took Walt, not the DI. The kid could have been Jacob for sure, but I'm kind of leaning towards the 3rd party or higher authority boat. I'm not really into the idea that the whole shows been about God and the Devil, but it almost felt like it was god kind of popping in to remind the MIB he can't kill him. (Him being Jacob imo.) I felt like he was telling him there wasn't a loophole that was going to let him control the island without the force of light.

[burton]

I'm pretty sure I've seen him in previous episodes. Anyone remember which ones or just the circumstance in which we saw him?

[Swordsman]

It's gotta be Jacob, when MIB was surprised to see that Sawyer could see the kid too, it had to be an after effect of Jacob's touch.

If not, then frick's sake - add one more question to the list!

[invertebrae]

The first time we see the boy, he is bloodied with his arms stretched out in a holy manner, as if to say... you thought you could kill me but here I am.

And the look on Esau's face truly implied this was Jacob, and he failed in killing him. Hence the outrage when Lil' Jake tells him what he can and can't do.

...ryan

[Vorak]

Don't think we've seen him before. I think it was supposed to be kid Jacob.

[burton]

Maybe it's Aaron in the future? He somehow is able to time travel back from 2015?

[Hugh Critz]

Why not? Do we believe Jacob burned into total ash in that fire? I think it's premature to assume Jacob is gone for sure. That whole scene seemed like Aslan in Narnia to me... aka some sort of ruse to trick the bad guys into thinking they've won.

...ryan

why would the kid say (paraphrasing): "you can't kill him" ... he would have said "you can't kill me"

[burton]

You could be right but I thought when Ben was lured out of the Dharma camp to talk to Richard, didn't he see the kid?

[invertebrae]

@Hugh

I take the "him" in that statement to mean Sawyer or Richard. But I'm leaning toward Sawyer, using Richard's warning to James later in the episode as my reasoning.

...ryan

[funtastic1994]

Maybe it's Aaron in the future? He somehow is able to time travel back from 2015?


I've wondered if the X from the season opener meant 2010, I also found it interesting that in the easter egg episode from last week that the flashsideways said IF... meaning, that it's not necessarily happening, just one possibility IF the plane never crashed so that could explain this... that it could be Aaron and it's 2010 since they have kept on course from the start of the series, and I would be disappointed if it was NOT 2010 at the end of this season.

I also don't get the "christ" thing from the blood... it's more to me like "hey, look how much blood I have on my hands" and yes, Jacob seems to have way too much blood on his hands and I have wanted to post for a year that I do not think that Jacob is either THE good guy or A good guy, I'm not sure if either of them are really good and I think their little game has gone way out of control and whoever is in Locke, ie the MIB is trying to correct it. Sorry for the rambling :)

[elleesa]

He looked like a very young Charles Widmore.

[Clerks]

nope, he saw his dead mother. I'm not sold on the idea that he's Jacob (or Aaron), but it's a real possibility.

[conner 72]

I am certain its the boy who played young lock, at the school were the teacher told him he had been selected to visit a summer science camp, young John refused & the teacher said you can never be a hero or something to that effect, young Johns answer, don't tell me what I can't do, funny that smokey lock said the same thing ????

[softarget]

wow. my first thought was Jacob, but there are some other interesting ideas here.

my guess is that this "child" regardless of who he is, will be the plot device used to tie up three seperate mysteries: 1:Why children are so important to the others. 2: Why children can not be concieved on the island without the death of their mother, and themselves (just how, I'm not sure, but I am confident that this is the key to all "child related" mysteries). and 3: The nature of the rules.

Personally, I think that Aaron serves the narrative best, as his role (other than motivating Kate), must finally be explained. Note: Aaron was the only member of the oceanic six who did not go back. Could Aaron be Shepard? He is in the family, ya know.

[Lucifer9999]

order of probabilities in my opinion:

1. third superior party (rules maker and supervizor.... and there could be more than one person/entities doing this....)
- like somebody said earlier, this third party could be the entity from the cabin during locke's first vizit there - they have the same outfit...
mib tired of the game, lost his trust in mankind, wants a way out...
clearly both mib and jacob where normal humans before they were drawned in this island game, maybe they replaced somebody themselfs at their time.... this situation leading to the conclusion that other party is in fact the true supernatural/mystic/powerfull/alien/religious/super high-tech whatever..... entity. (maybe island itself...)

2. the manifestation of island itself who can take what form it like's (could be the form of young locke.. i am not sure .. i have to check how young locke looked like..)....

3. young jacob..

4... older aaron....

le: aaron is littleton no matter what side we turn this on.. his grandma never married jack, claire never married aaron's father... no way aaron to be refferd as an sheppard...

[benos]

Maybe the smoke monster does has it's flaws and feelings after all, and is just using john's personality.

[softarget]

le: aaron is littleton no matter what side we turn this on.. his grandma never married jack, claire never married aaron's father... no way aaron to be refferd as an sheppard...

Perhaps you are right about this one. But there is no escaping the family line from Christian to Aaron, and if this is Aaron, it ties up his character arc nicely, don't you think? Regardless of which Sheppard the list is refering to.

Having the child be a manifestation of the "Island" itself, is an interesting thought. Since Flocke seems to want Sawyer to believe that the Island is nothing but an "Island," perhaps this child is the voice of that which will ultimately "prove him wrong." Perhaps when Jacob's rival said "you're trying to prove me wrong," he was really referring to the belief that the island is nothing more than a prison. So here we have the Island calling the shots. Voiced, perhaps, by Jacob's successor. In other words, it is the "Island" which has established "the rules," and ultimately, those on the Island (even the Monster), can not escape it's will.

So "who" this child is, really becomes a question of "what" this child is. A good counter point to Flocke's assertion that he is a "who" rather than a "what." An allusion to Martin Luther King Jr., who responded to the question of who killed supporters of civil rights, with the observation: "It is not important to ask 'who' killed them, but rather 'what' killed them." The same is true with both the child and Flocke (monster). This child, like the appearance of Walt, is not a "who," like smokey would lead us to believe, but a "what."

It is the Island, in the form of Aaron.

[benos]

Maybe Jacob's child is that Kid. It doesn't matter now he is the spoilers from fix. Wrong?

Episode 6.04: The Substitute (Locke-centric)
Airdate: February 16, 2010

10/11/09 - We learn of a connection between The Smoke Monster and MIB. Fake Locke gets an old friend to join his army. Ben lies to Illana about what happened inside the temple. Jacob is dead and his ashes are collected by someone whose name has 5 letters. Someone tries to persuade Sun to visit the temple claiming that Jin is there. Frank want to try and see if his plane on the other island will still work Sun insists they bury someone properly. Frank makes a comment about the "weirdest funeral ever." Ben makes a touching speech. Sawyer is drunk when he reunites with a familar face. Someone reveals that they know a lot more about the island than Ben. We find out that Jacob has a child. An old friend crosses paths with someone unexpected off island. Source: Lost Spoilers
10/11/09 - Jacob has a child and it's one of the [following] people: Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Juliet, Hurley, Locke, Michael, Bram, Desmond, Caesar, Illana, Ben, Richard, Sayid. Source: Lost Spoilers.

Maybe it is Ilana.

[Xcuz]

devil left heaven and became a "solo" worker...

So "You can't tell me what to do"...
God saying devil that he's not the all mighty and cannot bend the rules...

Is the kid the Island?
And James sees him because he's one of the choosen one?
Ben didn't saw jacob in the cabin...Locke did...

[HaveANiceDay05]

Interesting post from spoilerfix. I wonder how we learned Jacob has a child in this episode. Maybe someone can point it out to me if I missed something? But I am inclined to believe that the kid in the woods is Jacob's child, whoever he might be.

Also, when I first saw the episode, I thought the kid was a young Locke. Would be interesting if Jacob is Locke's real dad. Perhaps when the writers show Helen and Locke's wedding we will find out that Jacob is his dad! But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[arrdone]

yep i agree

I doubley agree-
That was the very first person that came to my mind.

[Xcuz]

if jacob's is Locke's dad maybe everything the MIB is doing is helping jacob...

Have anyone thought that when the kid says "you can't kill him" he's reffering to Jacob?

"You can't kill Jacob" ? :D

[goke]

another thread to follow

[Bridog6996]

I just assumed it was a younger form of Jacob, but I hadn't thought of it possibly being Aaron. It could be. The fact that he's "supposed" to be back home, and an infant, in the "off-island" timeline means nothing. You guys have been watching the same show, right? Time works differently on the island than it does out in the "real world." Aaron could have easily traveled to the island as an older kid at some future point and then time-traveled back. Or he could be like Walt, and have the ability to be in two places at once. So there's no reason it can't be Aaron.

With that said, though, I think it's Jacob.

Ooh, just thought of something though. What if Aaron IS Jacob?

[doodoofan]

Do we even know who "him" in "You can't kill him" is? Is it really Jacob? Why did the kid's arms were covered in blood the first time he appeared?

[piranha]

It was Jacob. Sawyer could see the him because he is chosen and when he said "you cannot kill him" he was refering to Saywer.

[paralleluniverse]

It was probably Jacob.

I was very surprised when MIB saw the kid. Up to now, most people agree that all the dead people and hallucinations seen on the Island, like Yemi and Jack's dad, was Smokey, but now Smokey is seeing them. Which completely throws me off.

The alternative is the kid is a real person. This is possible, however the way it was shot, made it seem that he wasn't. And does the kid make the rules? Who's rules are they?

[tucker672]

"You broke the rules". Remind you of something ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8HqeW3QNM

[MrsFaraday]

The blonde kid is Jacob as a child. What's the bet we see MIB /Flocke as a child sometime too. They will be revealed at some point as brothers...we all know this is gonna happen. Flocke will be the older brother, Jacob younger but for some reason, the chosen one or he tricks Flocke out of his birthright. Flocke is extra freaked out to see Jacob because he hasn't seen Jacob as a child in ...umm...centuries. Young Jacob was reminding Flocke that he couldn't kill Sawyer, because Sawyer is a candidate (to replace Jacob).

BTW whether its Jacob/Esau or Osiris and Set ( where Set imprisons Osiris in a magic box, no less...and Osiris later becomes lord of the underworld) mythology is full of feuding brothers, esp those who cheat the other out of something. These two are brothers for sure. And others will be revealed as gamily in this season ( we've already had Claire & Jack, watch for more...) Just my two cents...

[whispers42]

Flocke did seem surprised that Sawyer was able to see the kid.

I think it's Aaron too. My first guess was Claire when Flocke first spotted the kid. But later it was obvious that it wasn't her. Resembles her somewhat though. Aaron!

[deelee]

i thought young sawyer at first when we saw him talking to richard. but an older aaron is a good guess. i thought jacob too. i guess we're just gonna have to find out

yeah i actually thought the kid was bloody at first too! creepy kinda reminded me of in like season 1 or 2 when shannon is in the jungle and we see walt dripping water

Wow, this totally escaped my mind, and its a great point. The reason that little children are appearing around the island in some kind of liquid, blood or water. Kinda creepy. Does anyone else think it connects to Walt? Sayid did see him after all, and Sayid's one of the chosen.

[BestShowonTV]

It was Jacob. Sawyer could see the him because he is chosen and when he said "you cannot kill him" he was refering to Saywer.

The simplest answer is that the kid was talking about Jacob...........

The kids said something like "you know the rules, you cant kill him" The only other time we heard the "rules and killing" in the same sentence is with MIB and Jacob and how they cant kill eachother directly. And alos between Ben and Widmore

Tis is obviously why MIB had to influence Ben to kill Jacob. I dont know who the kid is but the "him" the kid mentions would seem to be Jacob. I think MIB broke the rules when he helped Ben kill Jacob. No, he didnt stab Jacob but he was very quick to kick him into the fire while Jacob was still alive. Tell me that this doesnt sound like MIB breaking the rules (getting physically involved in killing Jacob). The kid told MIB that he knows the rules and knows MIB cant kill "him". I think hes telling MIB that he knows MIB messed up and even though he tried to kill Jacob he knows that he cant.

[Goddard]

I don't think that this Kid is Jacob. I thought it was until the whole "Him" line then I thought no. It has to be someone else.

The first time we see this kid he has blood on his arms. The first impression that I got from that scene was that FLocke had killed this kid. Or at the very least he had died in front of him. I think that he is some kind of relative or friend to Jacob and MiB from LOOOONG ago.

The clothing is extremely similar to the dude in the cabin and I think it's the same person. Perhaps he was trapped within the cabin to prevent any interference with MiB's plan's to kill Jacob and now that the ash line is broken he reveals himself to FLocke scaring the crap out of him.

The last thing I got was MiB was the runt of the group. The one that people didn't really like and always picked on especially this boy so when he said the rules FLocke got angry of always being told what he can't do. All in all though only time will tell. I do like the idea that this kid is Aarron and it would be a great way to end his story

[Boring8Man]

What a shock would it be if the kid proves to be Aaron.
It might be that "third entity" about which there are some theories I guess.
But Jacob might also be plausible because Hurley saw him after he was already dead so might be him but why would he appear as a child? That's w whole new different story :p

[Andreas76]

IT IS DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Sayid, Hugo: we have seen them all as kids.
Jin: Can't be
Female character: can't be

The only person we've seen nothing about his childhood/parents is Desmond.
Also check post 62 by Deadman69, although not being suggested, I think the pictures point towards Desmond, especially the one with the man in the cabin.

[Scriptletter]

At first I also thought the spawn of Claire. Then I went with the re-incarnation of Jacob with a rapid growth (just like Walt grew up)

but after some thought I'm pretty sure it's Jacobs son. This keeps in theme with the parenting part of the show. Also makes sence why he knew Jacob wasn't suppose to die.

Any thoughts.

[ratio]

The kid is obviously Jacob, however something told me it could be Aaron.

[halojones]

looked like Jacob to me

Yeah me too, in fact so much like Jacob I can imagine them lining up kids for the audition with the actor for jacob in the room and just saying "yup you will do" when they get one that looks like him.

Jacob and the MIB are clearly non-coporeal entities of some kind, gods aliens, who knows. If MIB can claim the body of Locke, and change shape, and people can come back from the dead, then why can't jacob be re-incarnated as a boy, or take over the dead body of a boy that looks just like him.

But you know what... honestly its getting a little bit battlestar galactica now isn't it? I mean "oh we're ending the series, best make it a bit mental, throw in some life after death stuff.

I wonder if the angel Kara Thrace will make an appearance soon?

R

[talley022]

My theory,

Who the kid is not important right now. When the kid was introduced Locke saw him, but Richard did not, but what is important is that Sawyer saw the boy.

Fast forward to the end of the show when Locke takes sawyer to the cave. He shows the names and explains that he was brought for a reason and gave him three choices.

My theory is that he only has the choice to leave the island and i think that is what Locke wants him to do. I think Sawyer has already become the new Jacob, and the only was for Locke to destroy him is to get him to willingly leave the island for good.

Just my theory....

[BauerMcClain]

I do not think we can say anything is obvious on this show

[Max Carter]

Yeah me too, in fact so much like Jacob I can imagine them lining up kids for the audition with the actor for jacob in the room and just saying "yup you will do" when they get one that looks like him.

Jacob and the MIB are clearly non-coporeal entities of some kind, gods aliens, who knows. If MIB can claim the body of Locke, and change shape, and people can come back from the dead, then why can't jacob be re-incarnated as a boy, or take over the dead body of a boy that looks just like him.

But you know what... honestly its getting a little bit battlestar galactica now isn't it? I mean "oh we're ending the series, best make it a bit mental, throw in some life after death stuff.

I wonder if the angel Kara Thrace will make an appearance soon?

R

Sometimes its the only way writers can dig themselves out of a hole!

[charon]

I don't think it's Jacob or Aaron. Although I believe Aaron is another candidate. I think this blond kid is a new character.

[1o5t]

Michael?

[Sacred Knight]

If it was supposed to be Jacob appearing to MIB, why de-age him to the form of a little boy rather just having Mark Pellegrino in the role again? He's already shown up post-death to Hurley, why not just do it again? It would be an unnecessary attempt to manufacture a mystery we really don't need at this point, so I don't think its Jacob at all. This is a different entity.

[1o5t]

Wayne?

[JohnSpocke]

I found it interesting Flocke yelled at the kid "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!" much the same way handicapped real John Locke yelled basically the same thing at the Australia walkabout company and others about being told what he can't do.

[1o5t]

Wayne!

[spud1983]

I'm seeing a strong Jesus parallel. Though Satan confronted Jesus many times on Earth, he never had the power to kill him. It was man that killled Jesus (Ben). On the third day he rose from the dead. For Jacob, it is the third episode. When Jesus makes his second coming in Revelation, he has his final showdown with Satan and rather than letting him continue to live among man, he vanquishes him into eternal fire. Seems to me we have a final confrontation brewing once all the pieces are lined up.

[Spencer M]

okay.. he was pretty obviously referring to sawyer as to who he cannot kill.. and from what we know.. its obvious that the man with the beard in the cabin was simply MIB who was "trapped" by the ash, the guy was just the body he was inhabiting at the time.. as on the beach scene with jacob.. that was just his vessel at the time

[Bhopal84]

okay.. he was pretty obviously referring to sawyer as to who he cannot kill.. and from what we know.. its obvious that the man with the beard in the cabin was simply MIB who was "trapped" by the ash, the guy was just the body he was inhabiting at the time.. as on the beach scene with jacob.. that was just his vessel at the time

I thought it was pretty obvious the boy was talking about Sawyer too.

As far as who the boy is, I don't think it's Aaron. I'm going with that he's either a third higher power or Jacob in child form. I'm also liking the theory about Jacob and MIB being brothers.

[iviandaynse]

It can't be jacob because the kid said "you can't kill him" not "you can't kille me"

Was he not saying that you can't kill Sawyer - one of the original six? for whatever reason....

[SkeetCoach]

It's definitely not Aaron, people: he's living happily off-island with his grandma and is not old enough to be the bloody-armed child, in any case.

Stop thinking in only three dimensions....with all the time-travel already exhibited on this show, you're suddenly closed to the idea that this blond kid could be an Aaron from the future?

[phishhead]

Definatly agree with the boy talking about not killing Sawyer, though I thought this to be more because as Ilana said he's, MiB, has taken Locke's form and there by can not use another form to use in the war.

Basically he choose to use Locke and if he killed another he could take their form, i.e. using Sawyer to get to Kate, then Kate to get Jack who still appears to be next in line, from a non twist angle.

[fenderx3]

I actualy get pretty angry and frustrated how people want to relate everything in this episode to two kids who have played no major part in this series. If it wasnt for this forum, i would completely forget that sun and jin had a kid.

Why does everyone say that every little thing in this show is Aaron. It's extremely aggravating. I see the word "Aaron" and i stop reading that persons post immediately.

If we go by what we DO know, then the kid is wearing temple clothes. The first time we see him, his arms are covered in blood. Not sure why. The second time, they start by showing you he isnt wearing any shoes. We know by now that pretty much, no shoes = temple people.

I think one big clue to who this kid is (or isnt for that matter) is that Flocke is suprised that Sawyer can see him. More than likely, he thinks the kid is a ghost and that Sawyer shouldnt be able to see him.

I think the kid is Jacob. The same way that MIB takes the form of anyone who dies, i bet now so can Jacob. The kid is probably a nobody that just happened to die and has blond hair.

[Dagon]

I remember reading on a spoiler thread about casting, before the series started airing

They were casting for a blonde boy 9 years old to appear 8 years old, a dark haired boy the same and also a 14 year old dark haired boy - so i guess there are more kids to come
Those two dark-haired boys could be for the rumoured Richard-centric episode.

[SkeetCoach]

At first I also thought the spawn of Claire.

but after some thought I'm pretty sure it's Jacobs son. This keeps in theme with the parenting part of the show. Also makes sence why he knew Jacob wasn't suppose to die.

Any thoughts.

I have a thought.....the kid is both of the above. It's Jacob's son (if it's true that Jacob has a child), and it's Aaron from the future. Why couldn't Jacob be Aaron's father?

Or have we gotten a look at Aaron's father from before the 815 crash that I'm not remembering? With all the off-island visits we've seen Jacob make to touch our Losties, why couldn't one of them be an off-island booty-call to Claire?

[cubber]

okay.. he was pretty obviously referring to sawyer as to who he cannot kill.. and from what we know.. its obvious that the man with the beard in the cabin was simply MIB who was "trapped" by the ash, the guy was just the body he was inhabiting at the time.. as on the beach scene with jacob.. that was just his vessel at the time
In the replay, captioned show last week, it read that the ash around the cabin was to keep the "black smoke" out, not trap him in the cabin. So it was not MIB who said "help me" to Locke. Those captioned shows are very revealing sometimes.

[Krissie]

Immediate thought, Jacob






Could also be Aaron.

[justemm]

don't think it was Aaron as the boy was the wrong age and flocke clearly knew him. don't think it was Jacob either as he said your not supposed to kill him and I guessed he was referring to Jacob. I think the boy is from a long time ago and is as old as MIB and Jacob.

[Lizard King]

Maybe it's Smokey/MIB as a kid. He told Ben that he's not a 'what', he's a 'who'. Perhaps he used to be a regular living person and then was turned into the smoke monster we know and love.... probably reaching with this one, but this is LOST, stranger things can and have happened.

[xerenthar]

i think "you can't kill him" refers to sawyer, like many of you here. i think that the rules mean that MIB can't kill Jacob directly, and also that he can't kill a Candidate either.

[afarsea]

I actualy get pretty angry and frustrated how people want to relate everything in this episode to two kids who have played no major part in this series. If it wasnt for this forum, i would completely forget that sun and jin had a kid.

Why does everyone say that every little thing in this show is Aaron. It's extremely aggravating. I see the word "Aaron" and i stop reading that persons post immediately.


I can see your point, but I do think there is good reason to believe that Aaron is important. From the psychic's predictions about him, to the Others wanting him, to his relationship to Christian Shephard, there is more going on w/this kid than others on the show.


Whoever he ends up being, the actor looks like he could be related to Emilie de Ravin. Very strong resemblance, just like the 3 year old Aaron.

[pupcake]

There are some theories spreading about a 3rd player in this little black vs white game. And I think its this guy:

http://www.abload.de/img/3x20_jacob_portraitp5gg.jpg


I know its not a strong theory but the clothes remind me a little bit. Watch the buttons on the side of the jacket.

http://www.abload.de/img/vlcsnap-2010-02-17-05hu6b7.jpg

To be honest I've always thought that man in the cabin looked an awful lot like Frank Lapidus.

[justemm]

I think the kid meant that mib 'broke the rules' by killing Jacob.

[justemm]

I've always thought that Aaron was only important to the others because he was born on the island when their women die (although Aaron was conceived off island)
I guess his relation to Christian Shepherd could be important but then wasn't it smokey who just used Christian's body?

[meep]

I have a thought.....the kid is both of the above. It's Jacob's son (per Lost Spoiler that we learn in this episode Jacob has a child), and it's Aaron from the future. Why couldn't Jacob be Aaron's father?

Or have we gotten a look at Aaron's father from before the 815 crash that I'm not remembering? With all the off-island visits we've seen Jacob make to touch our Losties, why couldn't one of them be an off-island booty-call to Claire?
Don't you remember Claire's bf Thomas, who deserted her after she got pregnant..?

[Xcuz]

"You broke the rules". Remind you of something ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8HqeW3QNM

widmore asks ben,"are you here to kill me?"
he replies:"you know i cant do that"

Jacob and mib are the top of the chain,but could widmore and Ben been the choosen ones before losties?

Ben with Jacob,Widmore with mib?
Or perhaps the other way around?

[TNLWALK]

When he said "its against the rules" it really made me think of playing a game. There is a lot of mention of rules, maybe flocke and jacob are playing some sort of "game". Some type of game with peoples lives, and the kid is the referee of the game. Not to get off topic, but this seems evident after seeing the cave. The wall of names seemed like a score board, the names are people jacob brings to the island, and the ones crossed out are the ones smokey killed. i dunno just a wile guess

I took the "you can't kill him, it's against the rules" as being you may not kill a "candidate"; and more specifically, at that moment in time, meaning Sawyer.

[mastyrwerk]

In the replay, captioned show last week, it read that the ash around the cabin was to keep the "black smoke" out, not trap him in the cabin. So it was not MIB who said "help me" to Locke. Those captioned shows are very revealing sometimes.

Actually, when Locke and Ben first encounter the Cabin, Locke shined his flashlight on the ground where the ash was already broken. This means that MiB could very well have been the voice.

Goodspeed is one of the names on the cave wall. I think the Others put the ash around the house to protect Horace, Amy and Ethan. The Others then took Ethan and raised him as an Other and gave him a different last name to hide and protect him from the monster in plain sight.

[SkeetCoach]

Don't you remember Claire's bf Thomas, who deserted her after she got pregnant..?

Obviously not, as that is precisely what I asked for. Didn't remember seeing Claire's BF at all....hence my question asking if we'd seen the father and I'm not remembering it.

Do we know for a fact that he was the father? Boyfriend, yes. Doesn't necessarily make him the father, but whatever.

[what_time_is_it?]

Immediate thought, Jacob






Could also be Aaron.

The boy says, "You know the rules. You can't kill him.”

The boy is not important, the message is.

You can't kill HIM means you can't kill Jacob. This boy isn't Jacob anymore than Mark Pellegrino (the dude who plays "Jacob").

Jacob is an entity that CANT BE KILLED. He is not a human, even though he can take human form. This upsets MIB (don't tell me what I can't do!) even though he knows it is true.

[Motivescalgary]

My 1st thought was that it was MIB as a child, that he was seeing himself as a child and thought it was a hallucination which is why he was so surprised when Sawyer said he could see him too. If MIB thought it was in his head at first sighting then validated the realness of the 2nd from Sawyer it would explain why he gave chase the sencond time and not the first.

I thought the blood on the child's hands was a key sign, you may not have actually killed Jacob but his blood is on your hands which would still be against the rules.

Maybe MIB and Jacob came to the island as children or young brothers.

[mapcheck]

Wrong, he meant you can't kill Sawyer.

Agree

[abofraba]

Maybe it's Aaron in the future? He somehow is able to time travel back from 2015?

No doubt this little kid is Jacob....after the kid said..."You cant kill him".......Flocke kept yelling..."YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!!.." This gives it away that it is Jacob, Flocke has been under Jacobs spell and been hearing Jacob tell everyone what to do for so long because he was the boss man................

Now Flocke is in control, meaning he is so tired of hearing Jacob tell everyone what to do, so now Jacob cant tell the Flocke what to do....and Flocke knows all the rules, but it still pisses him off hearing Jacob telling him what to do.............make sense?

[Verbalyst]

I think that the Island manifested as the kid and told MIB that what he was doing isn't right. The only higher power here is the Island. Despite what Flocke wants to believe theres something special about the island, its not "just a damn island"

[vegetius]

You are all get it wrong...

The Kid is probabily not jacob. As we can understant (if you are smart) the kid is only seen by the 2 leaders of the island, the "locke" and jacob, since jacob is dead, and saywer apears to be the sucessor of jacob, now he can see the kid, and that impressioned "locke".

the kid can be everyone, remember, there is timetravel, and strange powers in the island, this RULES, who made them? what is the punishment for breaking them... and remember "locke" dont kill jacob, he fool ben to do it for him...

dont mess up the things, you guys are allways messing up the things

[DAMO3000]

i'm kinda getting some Jesus imagery here, with the bloody hands and the light surrounding him. perhaps some reference to someone's resurrection??

Fully agree. Jesus and the Devil playing chess. Sorry, backgammon.
Christ died and the devil thought he won, but Christ was resurrected and the Devil is defeated. I dont think thats who Jacob and Flocke (Esau) are, but..er.....uh..... WTF IS GOING ON!! How can they bring all of this together. Ah who knows, I just love it.

[elbeckum]

this light and the bloody hands make me think Jesusy stigmata kinda stuff
I hope not but.....

on the third day he rose again

I really hope no religious theories arise

no outdated dogmatic ones at least

why not? there are so many various religious theories on the show? it's the best story ever written

[Smokey_Apophis]

The kid in the latest episode is young Jacob (reborn, ghost or whatever, doesn't matter). They both had the same, troubled expression in their face when talking to Smokey and also look very similar. The kid was covered in blood in his first appearance, which further proves that he is in fact Jacob. This was blatantly obvious, although not for some of you, it appears. Also, what young Jacob meant by saying "You can't kill him" was that Smokey can't kill Sawyer, because it's against the rules.

Captain obvious to the rescue.

[debrahky]

Wrong, he meant you can't kill Sawyer.

I agree....I think the kid was referring to Sawyer.

[Holloways.hott]

I think that the Island manifested as the kid and told MIB that what he was doing isn't right. The only higher power here is the Island. Despite what Flocke wants to believe theres something special about the island, its not "just a damn island"

I think that theory could have a good possibility of being true, i like it. I mean it makes sense. Who would know the rules of the island better than the island itself? Of course, if Flocke is the bad guy it doesn't seem like he would care about playing by the rules.

Either way I still like the idea of the island manifested itself into the form of a boy. My second guess would be it's Aaron or Jacob. Aaron has yet to have a very significant role when it seems like he should somewhat. Plus, we're getting back to Claire's story it seems like, so maybe they'll somehow bring Aaron into it too.

Oh and does anyone have any ideas about the significance of seeing the kid? Obviously Flocke could see him and so could Sawyer, yet Richard couldn't. Does it have to do with who's on what side possibly? Or possibly just the fact that Sawyer's a "canidate" and that's why he could see the boy.

[jdLordHelmet]

You guys going on about a "rule maker" are way off base, in my opinion. When they talk about rules and loopholes, I am almost positive they are not talking about mandates laid down by a higher authority, but simply a reality, a statement of fact. You can't kill him. Maybe it's because of some time-travel paradox, or some kind of destiny or prophecy (which is in itself a form of time travel). The same way Smokey can't cross the ash, he can't kill Sawyer. Probably because Jacob touched him or chose him. But that doesn't mean he can't have him killed, as he did to Jacob through Ben.

The kid is almost certainly Jacob, Aaron, or both. My money is on Jacob. Maybe both.

[Sarah O]

I am certain its the boy who played young lock, at the school were the teacher told him he had been selected to visit a summer science camp, young John refused & the teacher said you can never be a hero or something to that effect, young Johns answer, don't tell me what I can't do, funny that smokey lock said the same thing ????

Nice idea, but at least it's not the same actor. Thank you imdb.

[skywalkerbuzz]

The boy says, "You know the rules. You can't kill him.”

The boy is not important, the message is.

You can't kill HIM means you can't kill Jacob. This boy isn't Jacob anymore than Mark Pellegrino (the dude who plays "Jacob").

Jacob is an entity that CANT BE KILLED. He is not a human, even though he can take human form. This upsets MIB (don't tell me what I can't do!) even though he knows it is true.
when the kid said "you cant kill HIM" he meant you cant kill Sawyer (who was traveling with him), not Jacob...he already did kill him.

[BestShowonTV]

when the kid said "you cant kill HIM" he meant you cant kill Sawyer (who was traveling with him), not Jacob...he already did kill him.

Why would MIB have killed Sawyer already at that point if that was the case? Ilana also saif that MIB is recruiting so its quite possible that MIB was always trying to recruit Sawyer and never intended to kill him (even though Richard seems to think he will). I think the Richard seen was thrown in there to throw us of course and to make us think the kid was talking about Sawyer when in fact he was talking about Jacob.

The kid was a manifestation of the island with the purpose of calling out MIB and letting him know that the island knows what he did (tried to kill Jacob) and that he should know better then to try to do that.

[what_time_is_it?]

when the kid said "you cant kill HIM" he meant you cant kill Sawyer (who was traveling with him), not Jacob...he already did kill him.

Maybe. What is his motive for killing Sawyer? Unless it is an elaborate con, it looks to me like he is trying to recruit him - and he's doing a good job. Sawyer even said "If he wanted to kill me he could have done it a dozen times already... "

[jdLordHelmet]

Maybe. What is his motive for killing Sawyer? Unless it is an elaborate con, it looks to me like he is trying to recruit him - and he's doing a good job. Sawyer even said "If he wanted to kill me he could have done it a dozen times already... "

His motivation for killing Sawyer is that he wants to kill everyone. Especially the "candidates," because he doesn't want Jacob to get his successor. But he can't kill them, most likely meaning he physically can't. That's why he is recruiting Sawyer. The same reason he recruited Ben, because he couldn't kill Jacob. He needs a killer. Luckily, he seems to have Sayid too...

[browns]

I don't think it was Jacob because he said "It was against the rules to kill HIM" However, what if he was talking about killing Locke?

Locke was murdered by Ben outside the island, It was against the rule that MIB kill Jacob, as It is for Ben to Kill Widwore or Locke to Kill Jack when he Kill naomi in season 3. LOST it is Backgamon game two sides one dark one light the rule is to defeat the other player without killing him, only by disposing pieces.

[pax]

what about the prospect that he could kill Sawyer to take over his body? we don't know what Flocke's true form is -- smoke monster or something else -- but does he actually have a solid, physical form? doesn't seem to, not with Locke's body getting carried through the jungle. so maybe he needs a physical `vessel' to get off the island.

[Triixy]

The kid is the island.

[dennerman]

When Jacob is dying and says, "They're coming" could he have been referring to the Kid and his peers/boss/group/etc? Of course Illana and her group arrive on the beach right as he says that and we're sort of led to believe that's what he meant, but I always thought that statement seemed a bit odd coming from Jacob if he was only referring to his informal militia who didn't have any real ability to hurt MiB.

[bradymcgrady25]

The kid is the island.

This is crazy enough to be true. Love it

[astrokahn]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/astrokahn/Picture312-02-12.png

[NatashaK]

If we assume that the kid meant that MiB can't kill "Sawyer" because he's a candidate, then we have to assume that MiB can't kill any candidates. However, we know MiB in the form of the smoke monster has killed many people. I'm sure if we look closer on that wall, we can find a candidate that was killed by the smoke monster-such as Mr. Echo.

[NatashaK]

I have a thought.....the kid is both of the above. It's Jacob's son (per Lost Spoiler that we learn in this episode Jacob has a child), and it's Aaron from the future. Why couldn't Jacob be Aaron's father?

Or have we gotten a look at Aaron's father from before the 815 crash that I'm not remembering? With all the off-island visits we've seen Jacob make to touch our Losties, why couldn't one of them be an off-island booty-call to Claire?


I never read the spoilers and most people black them out. In the future, could you please do this, because now I know something I wish I didn't. Thanks.

[loke13]

The boy says, "You know the rules. You can't kill him.”

The boy is not important, the message is.

You can't kill HIM means you can't kill Jacob. This boy isn't Jacob anymore than Mark Pellegrino (the dude who plays "Jacob").

Jacob is an entity that CANT BE KILLED. He is not a human, even though he can take human form. This upsets MIB (don't tell me what I can't do!) even though he knows it is true.

Be quiet he was obviously talking about Sawyer him being a candidate means MIB can't touch him. And yes the boy is important as is the message. Other wise Sawyer wouldn't have seen the boy and Sawyer didn't hear the message.

[ihartdesmond]

I don't think it was Jacob because he said "It was against the rules to kill HIM" However, what if he was talking about killing Locke?

I think the kid was saying you cant' kill him, meaning Sawyer.. He new Flocke was going to do something to him and warned him.

[MissMillsonxx]

Just thought of something. I just a post where someone said maybe the kid died in front of MiB and it made me think about the sentence
"I've lost someone i loved." or something along those lines that MiB said.
Maybe that's who he lost. I can't figure a relation but that would be really shocking for Flocke to see someone he cared about come back from the dead. Or APPEAR to be back from the dead. As for why he was so pissy with Flocke maybe it's cause he let him die.

I'm probably wrong but i just thought i'd throw that out there.

[Gator_]

"You can't kill Jacob" ? :D

My thought precisely. I think that the kid, whom I believe to be a Higher Power, was informing Flocke that you CAN'T kill jacob. If Jacob is indeed actually dead, then why would the kid bother to say this to Flocke? Jacob, IMHO, isn't dead, and cannot be killed. Perhaps when he could have been when he was just a man, but those days are long since gone.

Beyond this, I think that Locke was likely going to kill Richard until he saw the child. What would cause an entity like Smokie to change his mind about killing someone? The idea that the reprecussions of such an act would upset something greater than even himself.

To quote Kevin Smith's Dogma: "I have seen what happens to the proud, when they take on the Throne."

[grant26]

I think it's Aaron. Something about when he said "you can't kill Jacob" or something made me think that it wasn't Jacob. If it was he would have said "you can't kill me" which would have been sick.

[Motivescalgary]

Just thought of something. I just a post where someone said maybe the kid died in front of MiB and it made me think about the sentence
"I've lost someone i loved." or something along those lines that MiB said.
Maybe that's who he lost. I can't figure a relation but that would be really shocking for Flocke to see someone he cared about come back from the dead. Or APPEAR to be back from the dead. As for why he was so pissy with Flocke maybe it's cause he let him die.

I'm probably wrong but i just thought i'd throw that out there.

I think the kid is MIB as a child, he was seeing himself or a reflection of himself before the sickness took him and he eventually turned to the blacksmoke. If he and Jacob ended up on the island as children / brothers they could have lost their whole family or parents.

[pothergavel]

Kid:
"You know the rules.
You can't kill him."


Flocke:
"Don't tell me what I can't do !!!!
Don't tell me what I can't do !!!!

Really depends on where you put the emphasis on that sentence:

Kid:
"You know the rules.
You can't kill him."
i.e. you can't kill Jacob - he just takes another form (Sayid?!)
or

Kid:
"You know the rules.
You can't kill him."
i.e. you can't kill him - Sawyer

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I've just seen the other thread about who the kid was warning. Feel free to delete if inappropriate.

[Hawaiianwarrior]

I think the kid is MIB as a child, he was seeing himself or a reflection of himself before the sickness took him and he eventually turned to the blacksmoke. If he and Jacob ended up on the island as children / brothers they could have lost their whole family or parents.



This kid if u noticed brought fear to MIB.........That tells me most likely the kid is Jacob.

[creckordy]

I dont know about you guys but Flocke looked for the first time terrified when he saw the boy!!..... can someone get a screen shot of the tapestry.......

I think the boy is a messenger for the god depicted on Jacobs tapestry!!!

this episode was brilliant!!! :D:D:D:D

[chrismo16]

Quick theory:

If the kid is Jacob in his true form then maybe both Jacob and MiB are both "kids" playing this game with peoples forms chosen as "hosts". Maybe since MiB killed Jacobs host body and if he keeps him from taking a new one in a timely fashion he wins. Jacob in his "smokie" like form may have been what Locke saw back in season 1 when he said he looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful.

Just a few ideas...

[Hawaiianwarrior]

Quick theory:

If the kid is Jacob in his true form then maybe both Jacob and MiB are both "kids" playing this game with peoples forms chosen as "hosts". Maybe since MiB killed Jacobs host body and if he keeps him from taking a new one in a timely fashion he wins. Jacob in his "smokie" like form may have been what Locke saw back in season 1 when he said he looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful.

Just a few ideas...




Interesting theory bro

[rubiagaissler]

i think he is Aaron. ;)

Plus you're forgetting that Asron was born in the island when they were having ploblems with other pregnancies and stuff, remember all that Juliet said and why she went to the island in the first place? We don't know of anyone else being born in the island, all we see in the show are people being brought there somehow, but because Aaron seems to be exclusive on this everything is possible (come on, after all it's LOST we're talking about).

I think it would be hard to think that baby Aaron that lived out there in the real world was a fake one - I donno, it seems like Aaron really got out. But who knows what's going on outside the island and what happened to outside Aaron...

I still think there'll be a conncection between Jacob and Aaron, they both seem to belong to the island more than the majority. Maybe when they kidnapped Claire they did sth to keep track of the baby or gave him some experimental medicine that makes him experience time travelling in a different way (meaning there's no past/future/age for him, look at Richard and how he's always the same and look at Jacob, he showed up to Sawyer when he was a kid and he still looks the same.

Just thoughts, anyway :)

[cubber]

His motivation for killing Sawyer is that he wants to kill everyone. Especially the "candidates," because he doesn't want Jacob to get his successor. But he can't kill them, most likely meaning he physically can't. That's why he is recruiting Sawyer. The same reason he recruited Ben, because he couldn't kill Jacob. He needs a killer. Luckily, he seems to have Sayid too...
Am I remembering right that several episodes back, Locke didn't or couldn't kill his own father, and got Sawyer to do it. Any correlation??

[Hawaiianwarrior]

Am I remembering right that several episodes back, Locke didn't or couldn't kill his own father, and got Sawyer to do it. Any correlation??




Loophole

[edna million]

I'm not convinced that Richard couldn't see the kid. He wasn't looking in that direction until the kid had already vanished.

[kabobs]

At first I also thought the spawn of Claire. Then I went with the re-incarnation of Jacob with a rapid growth (just like Walt grew up)

but after some thought I'm pretty sure it's Jacobs son. This keeps in theme with the parenting part of the show. Also makes sence why he knew Jacob wasn't suppose to die.

Any thoughts.

this^^

everyone keeps going back and forth with aaron and jacob. so why cant it be jacobs son.

did we ever even learn who got claire pregnant?

it would finally explain aarons significance to the island, being jacobs son and all

[-strife-]

I've been waiting for some sort of an appearance by a higher power since we were finally shown the two "players" of the "game" in the Incident. If there are rules, then there must be a higher echelon who holds sway over those rules. I think this child represents that higher power. It doesn't need to have a religious connotation, the kid doesn't need to be God, and Jacob and MIB don't need to be Jesus and the Devil. I think we're seeing a unique vision of the "powers that be" of the universe, dreamt up by the genius team of Damon and Carlton. No matter who you choose to pray to, I think the mysterious triumverate of the island represents the true form of the order of things, and any form of religion is humanity's attempt to try to understand the universe and an attempt to plug figures into roles that our ancient ancestors thought best represented the innate conflict of the human soul. Good/evil, faith/logic, morality/temptation - every human feels the push and pull residing within, and it can't be explained how such dualities were coded into our inner minds, into our souls.

Here's one interesting hypothesis. I don't care if its right or wrong, but it's fun to come up with some sort of overarching theory just based on tonight's awesome episode alone. The child, a manifestation of the supreme architect of the universe, has his eye on earth. Earth is an "Island" within the greater universe, our beloved island but on a much grander scale. In similar fashion to how some people draw parallels between the island and the moving cabin, on a much smaller scale. Perhaps we are not alone in the universe, perhaps there are other worlds we are unaware of, perhaps those other worlds are the infinite number of multiverse slices, under many worlds theory. The child/GOD observes Earth, in the world our losties have occupied for 5 seasons, watches the human race grow and develop after billions of years. He is displeased with the destructive nature of the human soul, and maybe that tendency toward self-destruction is shared by all worlds within the universe, whether that means across space or across the multiverse. He places a special island on earth. Its purpose? To reveal the true nature of man, to determine whether humanity is worth even having around, or whether the book of creation will need to be rewritten, starting from scratch to eliminate the innate flaws of mankind (i.e. Noah's flood anyone?). Situations have undoubtedly been presented in connection with this special place, situations that allow opportunity for redemption, specific to every one of our losties. The Being places two "judges" on the island, a TEAM of two souls, whose job it is to prove that man is worth saving. They test man's ability to correct his own flaws (Jack's need to save, Locke's blind gullibility, Ben's immoral manipulation, Sayid's murderous ways, etc.), to find redemption. Over time, much much time (after all, what's a few thousand years to a being that has been around since the big bang), MIB sees the endeavor as fruitless and that man never changes his ways and he wants to be shed of this job and be at rest, while his friend and partner in assignment Jacob holds true to the call of the divine assignment. Jacob brings people to the island to continue to search for proof that man is worth saving, that man can be redeemed upon his own free will. The longevity of the assignment eventually polarizes MIB and Jacob from two old friends, to two weary adversaries, to black and white. MIB represents the logical opinion that if their guinea pigs haven't by now redeemed the flaws of their character, then they never will. The island experiment should be destroyed along with humanity, the island earth should be wiped off the slate of the universe, the MIB can end his servitude and be at peace in the afterlife. Jacob represents continued faith in the strength of the human spirit, that man can change his ways, and that self-destruction is not the inevitable outcome. Every group that comes to the island represents humanity coming closer and closer to finding redemption and avoiding annihilation at the hands of the creator (child). The candidacy refers to Jacob's need to find a replacement to continue his quest after his death at the hand of MIB's loophole, as he knew this was an inevitability. Neither "old friend" has proven their desired outcome in the eyes of the creator, and the creator has all the time in the world to wait for an "end." Any time we perceive is a mere blink of an eye in the grand architecture of the universe.

That theory could be wicked far off base, but I'd definitely watch a show that addresses such heady mythological stuff any day.

ps - That whole anti-religious thing could be for nought. We may be seeing the holy triumverate itself. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Child, Jacob, and MIB (smokey/spirit/tongue of fire connection anyone?).

Great theory mate - well done. Even if it doesn't turn out you can pitch it to ABC for next season.

[Dan-KF]

...this is hte last season. :)

[Uncle Steve]

Well Claire's name was crossed off on the rock, so she WAS one of the 'candidates'

So I'm guessing at one time or another Jacob must have touched her in her real world life. We were only shown Jack, Kate, Sayid etc. getting touched. We have no idea who else Jacob visited Quite yet.

The kid could possibly be Jacob's son who could quite possibly be Claire's son, Aaron!

I mean if this was the only kid to be born on the island he must have some sort of connection to all this.

Maybe Claire's like a virgin Mary that Jacob touched and impregnated.

Claire could be looking for Aaron like Rousou was looking for her daughter.

Who knows.

[Uncle Steve]

And on the massive post above, i also think the whole 'free will' thing solidifies your theory.

Before Ben was to kill Jacob he told him he had a choice.

Testing the human will.

Seems spot on.

[Jwinlen]

I definitely think that Jacob is a name, not a body. I think that Jacob is like a name that people come into. I think that when the Jacob we know died and was burt in the fire, some one else needs to take up the name of "Jacob".

so then you might wonder if the Jacob we recognize isn't the first "body" to become "Jacob".

[scaryabaddon]

Well the boy if anyone is Jacob. Mainly because of his blonde hair.

[loke13]

Well the boy if anyone is Jacob. Mainly because of his blonde hair.

Arrone has blonde hair. And why would jacob appear as a kid when he could of just appeared as himself.

[Flight of Youth]

Well Claire's name was crossed off on the rock, so she WAS one of the 'candidates'

So I'm guessing at one time or another Jacob must have touched her in her real world life. We were only shown Jack, Kate, Sayid etc. getting touched. We have no idea who else Jacob visited Quite yet.

The kid could possibly be Jacob's son who could quite possibly be Claire's son, Aaron!

I mean if this was the only kid to be born on the island he must have some sort of connection to all this.

Maybe Claire's like a virgin Mary that Jacob touched and impregnated.

Claire could be looking for Aaron like Rousou was looking for her daughter.

Who knows.

You assume too much: Claire's last name was on the list, not necessarily hers. It could be Christian's or Aaron's. From the evidence shown no woman is a candidate for protectorate of the Island.

[debrahky]

Well, one things for sure about that kid, he has blood all over him from doing god knows what.

My initial impression was he has "blood on his hands" from committing some murder. Nice game these two "boys" are playing. :eh::shock:

[loke13]

You assume too much: Claire's last name was on the list, not necessarily hers. It could be Christian's or Aaron's. From the evidence shown no woman is a candidate for protectorate of the Island.

Christian's last name is sheppard and Arrone is a three year-old why would his name already be crossed out:confused:

[esao]

its not jacob nor aaron... aaron is obviously back in the states where he originally was supposed to be at this point, he was never even supposed to be born on the island.. (hence the reason all the babies die on the island) there cant be two aarons because he wasnt there for all the flashes and the bomb to blow him into two different universes, so he is only in one.

as for it being jacob, i highly doubt it because jacob is dead, and why would he be in a little boys body. and when he said "you werent supposed to kill him", would make no sense cuz why would jacob refer to himself like that. he would say "you werent supposed to kill me"

i dunno tho.. it is LOST and anything can happen! you all have permission to say i told you so to me if im wrong

[arcamedes]

Aaron is way too young to be that kid, plus he's with his grandma. Duh.

[loke13]

Aaron is way too young to be that kid, plus he's with his grandma. Duh.

Ok one word: WALT

[Rocky19]

I don't think that this kid is Jacob. He said that only Hurley could see him and he appeared tho him like he died and not as kid. I know its not a strong theory but theory is a theory. I just think I recognized something odd in this whole cabin story.

Sorry my English is not the best.
jacob did say only Hurley can see him and not them/Jin can't see him when Jin was returning to the van while Hurley was standing over injured Sayid with Jacob. so as mentioned the chosen ones can see jacob thus Sawyer could see jacob which means the kid could be jacob. and Flocke was surprised that Sawyer could see the kid. and the Kwon is Sun and not Jin. and kid says you can't kill him, so there are rules Flocke needs to play to as far as those touched by jacob.

BTW Flocke knows the rule, he didn't kill jacob Ben did. and the kid's message is Flocke can't kill sawyer

[loke13]

jacob did say only Hurley can see him and not them/Jin can't see him when Jin was returning to the van while Hurley was standing over injured Sayid with Jacob. so as mentioned the chosen ones can see jacob thus Sawyer could see jacob which means the kid could be jacob. and Flocke was surprised that Sawyer could see the kid. and the Kwon is Sun and not Jin. and kid says you can't kill him, so there are rules Flocke needs to play to as far as those touched by jacob.

BTW Flocke knows the rule, he didn't kill jacob Ben did. and the kid's message is Flocke can't kill sawyer

I really doubt that kid is Jacob.

[greatest666]

Anyone care to explain how the kid can be Aaron, when he is off island and with his gran?

[carolinski]

Anyone care to explain how the kid can be Aaron, when he is off island and with his gran?

Yeah, and while you do that, why don't you also explain how Locke could walk after crashing on the island, turning a wheel leads to time travelling, how detonating a bomb causes 2 timelines, how people are able to see and talk to ghosts, how a huge pillar of black smoke is able to judge over people and how Richard never seems to age ...

[c14rlf]

Might be Jacob, who knows?

PS: Does anyone else have a feeling that this is not the last season? Well, I know it is, but we are getting more and more questions!:)

If only! I don't want this to end:(

[hitec4ever]

What about the 'Phoenix' theory. The kid being Jacob, aging, dying turning to ash and reborn from the ashes. See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)

[greatest666]

Yeah, and while you do that, why don't you also explain how Locke could walk after crashing on the island, turning a wheel leads to time travelling, how detonating a bomb causes 2 timelines, how people are able to see and talk to ghosts, how a huge pillar of black smoke is able to judge over people and how Richard never seems to age ...

If you read the forum you will see lots of theories about those points and I'm sure many answers will be revealed in the coming weeks.
I haven't seen any theories about Aaron though.

[Pinjo]

Anyone care to explain how the kid can be Aaron, when he is off island and with his gran?

It's not that hard, Hawking (or someone else involved in the island) could come to a ten year old Aaron who has been living with Carole since his 'mother' Kate dissapeared. Hawking says she can reunite Aaron with his mother if he comes with her. They catch a plane and fly over a window and Aaron 'flashes' off the plane and wakes up on island 2007 at aged ten.

Like Jack, he believes that he was brought to that time and place because he was meant to do something to change history. Perhapes he brings a ten year old Ji Yeon with him and you have the child concieved off island and born on island and the baby concieved on island and born off island and they become the new gaurdians of the island, eventually (after another decade or so) concieving and giving birth to the first real native island baby, a decendent of Jack, Claire, Jin and Sun.

[carolinski]

It's not that hard, Hawking (or someone else involved in the island) could come to a ten year old Aaron who has been living with Carole since his 'mother' Kate dissapeared. Hawking says she can reunite Aaron with his mother if he comes with her. They catch a plane and fly over a window and Aaron 'flashes' off the plane and wakes up on island 2007 at aged ten.

Like Jack, he believes that he was brought to that time and place because he was meant to do something to change history. Perhapes he brings a ten year old Ji Yeon with him and you have the child concieved off island and born on island and the baby concieved on island and born off island and they become the new gaurdians of the island, eventually (after another decade or so) concieving and giving birth to the first real native island baby, a decendent of Jack, Claire, Jin and Sun.

You should be on the Lost writers team. You've got some good ideas :D

[gocryemokid]

Not to mention the next episode's name is The Lighthouse which could relate to the lamp post, where the losties met with hawking to travel back to the island via ajira 316 perhaps she does convince aaron to come to the island from that same station

idk i guess its kinda a long shot but when i looked up the lighthouse in lostpedia a lot of stuff about the lamp post came up so it could be similar

might have went OD with those spoiler tags but rather be safe then spoiled lol

[jasonfitt]

Did anyone get a screen shot of the first time we see the kid when Flocke was talking to Richard? Was he bloody? That could be a clue as to who he is.

It's not that hard, Hawking (or someone else involved in the island) could come to a ten year old Aaron who has been living with Carole since his 'mother' Kate dissapeared. Hawking says she can reunite Aaron with his mother if he comes with her. They catch a plane and fly over a window and Aaron 'flashes' off the plane and wakes up on island 2007 at aged ten.

Like Jack, he believes that he was brought to that time and place because he was meant to do something to change history. Perhapes he brings a ten year old Ji Yeon with him and you have the child concieved off island and born on island and the baby concieved on island and born off island and they become the new gaurdians of the island, eventually (after another decade or so) concieving and giving birth to the first real native island baby, a decendent of Jack, Claire, Jin and Sun.

There's one problem with your theory. When Kate, Jack and all them came back to the island in 1974 EVERYBODY could see them. Richard couldn't see the boy, and Flocke was surprised when Sawyer could see him. So, the boy isn't a physical person. He's either a ghost, or some sort of manifestation. It's not likely that it's a 10 year old Aaron who has traveled back in time because if that were true, everybody could see the boy, and he wouldn't have appeared out of nowhere with blood on his hands, and then vanish.

[jasonfitt]

When I was watching this scene where the boy with bloody arms appeared, I immediately assumed it was somebody from MiB's past, because he seemed to recognize him. Also, the whole Aaron theory seems rediculous because not everybody can see him, and he vanished before Flocke's eyes. How could it be Aaron? Aaron is living, and on the mainland. This seems more like a spiritual manifestation, not an actual physical person.

[jasonfitt]

Maybe Aaron and Jacob are the same person, and Jacob is his own son and father...wrap your noodle around that! Jacob visits Claire and conceives himself. So, the father of Jacob is himself...ok, maybe that's a lame idea.

[bradymcgrady25]

It's not that hard, Hawking (or someone else involved in the island) could come to a ten year old Aaron who has been living with Carole since his 'mother' Kate dissapeared. Hawking says she can reunite Aaron with his mother if he comes with her. They catch a plane and fly over a window and Aaron 'flashes' off the plane and wakes up on island 2007 at aged ten.

Like Jack, he believes that he was brought to that time and place because he was meant to do something to change history. Perhapes he brings a ten year old Ji Yeon with him and you have the child concieved off island and born on island and the baby concieved on island and born off island and they become the new gaurdians of the island, eventually (after another decade or so) concieving and giving birth to the first real native island baby, a decendent of Jack, Claire, Jin and Sun.

Right right, cause some 10 year old kid who has never even heard of the island knows the rules and would recognize MiB in John Locke's body. Got it

[SkeetCoach]

What about the 'Phoenix' theory. The kid being Jacob, aging, dying turning to ash and reborn from the ashes. See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)

Interesting idea, especially since Iliana collected some of Jacob's ashes from the firepit. It was after she collected the ashes that the boy appeared, correct?

[mastyrwerk]

Right right, cause some 10 year old kid who has never even heard of the island knows the rules and would recognize MiB in John Locke's body. Got it

HA! I agree. Also, Hawking is out of the picture when it comes to knowing the future. She has no idea what happens next.

[Noche]

There's one problem with your theory. When Kate, Jack and all them came back to the island in 1974 EVERYBODY could see them. Richard couldn't see the boy, and Flocke was surprised when Sawyer could see him. So, the boy isn't a physical person. He's either a ghost, or some sort of manifestation. It's not likely that it's a 10 year old Aaron who has traveled back in time because if that were true, everybody could see the boy, and he wouldn't have appeared out of nowhere with blood on his hands, and then vanish.

How come everybody is so sure that Richard can't see the kid? I mean, people on the island tend to show up one second, stand around for some time, and then vanish just as quick as they came. Maybe Richard couldn't see him because the kid simply wasn't there anymore.

[sethlondon]

What about the 'Phoenix' theory. The kid being Jacob, aging, dying turning to ash and reborn from the ashes. See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)

I don't think that this theory is true.
Here is why:

If Flocke knewthat jacob could simply resurrect himself, he wouldnt have bothered killing him.

If he DIDN'T know about Jacob being able to resurrect himself, then he would have been MUCH more shocked to see Jacob alive again. He was surprised when he saw him in the woods, but not nearly as startled as he would have been if he didn't expect to ever see jacob again.

I think jacob is still alive, but I don't believe that he was actually "reborn"

[Mosemow]

jacob's son i think

[Billy BK]

I'm sorry, but saying that kid is aaron is a huge leap. The only thing we have to suggest that is the blonde hair. Didn't Hawkings say that the window they used to get back on the island was one of the last chances they'd ever have to get back? Let's think more realistically here. Remember the testing they did with Walt? We saw him appear a few times, either wet or strange looking, so maybe it's related to that. Obviously the kid has power, or he's just a projection. I think it's a 3rd party on the island, possibly even a referee for the game that's being played between Jacob and MIB. Maybe in order to be a referee or that higher power, you need to have the innocence of a child, which would explain why all of the kids were snatched by the Others. Also, these kids could finally explain the whispers heard in the jungle.

[jasonfitt]

How come everybody is so sure that Richard can't see the kid? I mean, people on the island tend to show up one second, stand around for some time, and then vanish just as quick as they came. Maybe Richard couldn't see him because the kid simply wasn't there anymore.

Ummm...Because Richard looked over where Flocke was looking and he didn't see anything. I would have to go back and re-watch the episode, but if I remember correctly we see:

> A shot of FLocke Talking, then he looks behind Richard with a confused, startled look on his face.

> Then we see a shot of the little boy.

> Then a shot of Richard and he eventually looks where Flocke is looking...and nothing.

> Then we see another shot of John, and another shot of the boy standing there.

Richard couldn't see him, and Flocke was suprised that Sawyer could see the boy, which is an obvious sign that Flocke knew nobody could see him, or at least only a select few could see him.

This reminds me of another thread where people were saying Flocke/MiB wasn't the smoke monster because when they were under the stone foot the smoke monster came from outside, when Flocke was inside. Then the next episode pretty much confirmed that Flocke=MiB=Smoke Monster. This is the same situation. The little boy is not Aaron. It's impossible. You'll see.

[jasonfitt]

I don't think that this theory is true.
Here is why:

If Flocke knewthat jacob could simply resurrect himself, he wouldnt have bothered killing him.

If he DIDN'T know about Jacob being able to resurrect himself, then he would have been MUCH more shocked to see Jacob alive again. He was surprised when he saw him in the woods, but not nearly as startled as he would have been if he didn't expect to ever see jacob again.

I think jacob is still alive, but I don't believe that he was actually "reborn"

Except that Jacob himself said he was dead, and there's no coming back from death, according to Ben. Unless Jacob is the exception.

[Synozeer]

Maybe the boy is "the island", or an embodiment of it. The island would dictate the rules, and it has to communicate them somehow, so why not in the form of a boy?

When Flocke and Sawyer were in the cave, Flocke was explaining that the island didn't need protecting because it's nothing. And before that, when Sawyer was asking who the kid was, Flocke acted as if he didn't exist. But we know Flocke is scared of whatever the boy represents, and the one thing that Flocke doesn't seem to have control of is dictating terms of the island... and leaving it.

[edna million]

How come everybody is so sure that Richard can't see the kid? I mean, people on the island tend to show up one second, stand around for some time, and then vanish just as quick as they came. Maybe Richard couldn't see him because the kid simply wasn't there anymore.

Richard wasn't looking in the kid's direction until after he vanished - so I'm not convinced he couldn't see him. Just because MIB was shocked that Sawyer saw him doesn't mean Richard couldn't.

[pegg]

Richard wasn't looking in the kid's direction until after he vanished - so I'm not convinced he couldn't see him. Just because MIB was shocked that Sawyer saw him doesn't mean Richard couldn't.

Exactly - I don't think it shows the kid again after Richard looks at the spot...so I think it's that the kid had left - not that Richard couldn't see him.

[munkeyman]

I have two opinions on the boy FWIW.

First, I think that the camera technique employed was supposed to indicate that Richard was looking in that spot and we were seeing the empty space where the biy had been from Richard's perspective, meaning he couldn't see him or he had disappeared, but I'm sure the same was used before when Hurley had seen dead people (or Miles) and other people couldn't. Because Flocke also seemed surprised that Sawyer could see him (I think?).

I'm also pretty darn sure the boy is not Jacob in any form, because did he not say something along the lines of 'You broke the rules, you know you can't kill him.' to Flocke? 'Him', not 'me'.

[SSDB'S]

I'm also pretty darn sure the boy is not Jacob in any form, because did he not say something along the lines of 'You broke the rules, you know you can't kill him.' to Flocke? 'Him', not 'me'.

Good point. I agree with you 100%. I also think that the boy is talking about Jacob. If this is the case, Jacob isn't really dead. Like was mentioned earlier, the boy could be like a referee for the island. Just as in hockey, if one breaks the rules while scoring a goal, ie: goaltender interferrence, the goal is disallowed. Jacobs death was probably disallowed as well.

[mastyrwerk]

Good point. I agree with you 100%. I also think that the boy is talking about Jacob. If this is the case, Jacob isn't really dead. Like was mentioned earlier, the boy could be like a referee for the island. Just as in hockey, if one breaks the rules while scoring a goal, ie: goaltender interferrence, the goal is disallowed. Jacobs death was probably disallowed as well.

Which can lend to the possibility of Jacob possessing Sayid...

It's still too early for me to build any coherent opinion on this boy. I'm going to need to see what else he does.

[Flight of Youth]

Maybe the boy is "the island", or an embodiment of it. The island would dictate the rules, and it has to communicate them somehow, so why not in the form of a boy?

When Flocke and Sawyer were in the cave, Flocke was explaining that the island didn't need protecting because it's nothing. And before that, when Sawyer was asking who the kid was, Flocke acted as if he didn't exist. But we know Flocke is scared of whatever the boy represents, and the one thing that Flocke doesn't seem to have control of is dictating terms of the island... and leaving it.

I like this idea. MiB seems to be letting on more than he knows... he shows some kind of fear to the kid...

[Pinjo]

Right right, cause some 10 year old kid who has never even heard of the island knows the rules and would recognize MiB in John Locke's body. Got it
I didn't say it was freshly flashed off the plane Aaron, it could be end-game Aaron. He could arrive on the island, go through all the later in the season adventures with the adults and learn about the island, is dressed is some ceremonial jacob outfit and becomes the island protector, gets his hands covered in blood from something, then flashes back to this point in time. Like Locke telling Richard to fix the bullet wound at the start of season five making sense at the end of the season. Or Ben's wound from the middle of the season (The Shapes of Things to Come) making sense when he cuts himself at the end of the season turning the donkey wheel. Aaron travelled back to instill this fear of his presence in MiB because it is important later in his downfall. Hehas to go back because it happened, and whatever happened happened to avoid another split timeline. Richard can't see him because he is the new Jacob, and can only be seen by who he wants to see him. Like MiB can see him because Aaron wants to scare him. Perhapes Sawyer can see him because Aaron is fond of Sawyer, he found his voice soothing as a child and see's Sawyer as one of his island daddys. Like Kate said when Aaron was about to be born, "You are not alone in this, we are all here for you, this baby is all of us"/ I wouldn't be surprised if they all live together like a native island family together at the end.

I just think Jacob is too easy of a choice, like we are meant to believe it is Jacob when later it is revealed not to be. MiB could know of Aaron because he has been having haunting dreams of the 'kid' that will carry on Jacob's legacy, like the dark man in the dreams of the characters in The Stand (which the writers have said is one of the most influenctial sources of Lost).

[sallian]

Might be Jacob, who knows?

PS: Does anyone else have a feeling that this is not the last season? Well, I know it is, but we are getting more and more questions!:)

I have the same feeling like you.
So many mysteries...

[whispers42]

Which can lend to the possibility of Jacob possessing Sayid...

It's still too early for me to build any coherent opinion on this boy. I'm going to need to see what else he does.

I don't think Jacob possessed Sayid. Why would his own people try to kill Sayid after "diagnosing" him as evil/bad?

As for the Kid... I'm confused. What if we're talking about this kid being Jacob/Aaron/etc, and it's someone totally unrelated to anyone we've ever seen?

[Buckett]

Arrone has blonde hair. And why would jacob appear as a kid when he could of just appeared as himself.

Who the sodding crikey is Arrone?! Come on! Aaron!

Christ people, if it's not this it's "Whidmore" or "Whitemore" or "Whitmore" IT'S WIDMORE! Argh!

:shifty:

[mastyrwerk]

I don't think Jacob possessed Sayid. Why would his own people try to kill Sayid after "diagnosing" him as evil/bad?

As for the Kid... I'm confused. What if we're talking about this kid being Jacob/Aaron/etc, and it's someone totally unrelated to anyone we've ever seen?

I'm not a big fan of the idea, but it carries some weight.

It has been established now that the Others know less than they let on. They demonstrated that the idea of the water was to heal him, but since it got dirty it didn't work anymore. So Sayid died. Then all of a sudden he's alive and they have no explanation, and Jacob isn't around to tell them what to do. They've seen people get 'claimed', but I don't think the 'tests' that they ran really did anything. They might just be covering their asses.

I am willing to accept Jacob being the kid. Hair and clothes are similar and Jacob seemed to only be afraid of Jacob's power, so it makes sense. Is it Aaron doing it? Highly unlikely. We're coming to the end game here on the Island. We don't have eight more seasons to follow a time travelling Aaron growing up on the Island and becoming the grand master unbeknownst to everyone on the Island. It's a bit late for sucha convoluted plot addition, when we have so many other convoluted plot points that still need to be resolved.

[Woefdrammer]

Couldn't be Jacob because he didn't age through-out the whole serie.

[mastyrwerk]

Couldn't be Jacob because he didn't age through-out the whole serie.

What does that have to do with anything? He's dead. I think it's safe to say that since FLocke is now trapped in that body after killing Jacob, then Jacob now has the ability to appear in any form he wants.

[Lsmith]

It looked like jacob a little bit

[ajessica]

What does that have to do with anything? He's dead. I think it's safe to say that since FLocke is now trapped in that body after killing Jacob, then Jacob now has the ability to appear in any form he wants.

I think he meant that Jacob was always like the Jacob we know, idk why would he stop again at 30 or something. Anyway what's the point of killing him if he can resurect in another body. Flockes seemed scared and he wasn't scared of Jacob. I don't think that is him

[Max Carter]

Flockes seemed scared and he wasn't scared of Jacob.

Thats a good point.

[dubiduwap777]

I'm sorry, but saying that kid is aaron is a huge leap. The only thing we have to suggest that is the blonde hair. Didn't Hawkings say that the window they used to get back on the island was one of the last chances they'd ever have to get back? Let's think more realistically here. Remember the testing they did with Walt? We saw him appear a few times, either wet or strange looking, so maybe it's related to that. Obviously the kid has power, or he's just a projection. I think it's a 3rd party on the island, possibly even a referee for the game that's being played between Jacob and MIB. Maybe in order to be a referee or that higher power, you need to have the innocence of a child, which would explain why all of the kids were snatched by the Others. Also, these kids could finally explain the whispers heard in the jungle.

well, the psychic said Aaron was of extreme importance. I don't think we're done with him or Walt yet. They could flash back in at a crucial time. -maybe aaron just did ^^

Edit: maybe if Flocke was a man at one time... Aaron could have ascended in the same way.

[Losamit]

What if the Kid is Richard when he was first brought to the Island. The bloody hands could represent the chains that were removed that Flocke referred to in the season 6 opening episode. Notice the blood / red pigment is on the lower portion or the arms. Just a thought

[Tommyownz]

I doubt its Aaron, since Aaron is supposed to be about 3? :D