Kate is so immature

[nohaa]

So now we know that the reason why Kate raised Aaron is that she needed him ? What was that ?

I though that her experience in the Island would make her more mature but I was wrong She still doesn't know what she wants from life and I don't believe she came back for Clair she herself doesn't know why she came back and she still doesn't know who she loves .

[oziwan]

not only that but also by telling cassidy and claire's mom the truth about the survivors, kate has once again proved how selfish and irresponsible she really is.

[KCopeland]

Personally, I could care less why Kate is back. She's become the sole most uninteresting character to me and I find her increasingly annoyingly selfish, as you've said, in each new episode.

In a previous episode, sitting at the table with Hurley and Jack, she doesn't even try to pretend that she's not still pining over Sawyer, right in front of Jack, who she knows still loves her (for reasons I cannot fathom) and wants to be with her.

I watched this episode twice in a row tonight because it was so good, only I skipped over the flashbacks the second time. Every one of them. Spending that much screen time on Kate and why she took Aaron. Yes, she selfishly kept Aaron, we know. Further solidifying what we already know, is that Kate is a selfish, immature little whiny girl. I'm sorry, but who cares?

[umut]

So now we know that the reason why Kate raised Aaron is that she needed him ? What was that ?

I though that her experience in the Island would make her more mature but I was wrong She still doesn't know what she wants from life and I don't believe she came back for Clair she herself doesn't know why she came back and she still doesn't know who she loves .

I don’t believe either that she goes back because of Claire.
If Jack would says that he goes back because he wants to find his sister that’s believable but that Kate goes back, because she wants to finds Claire, that’s unbelievable!
The writer’s has mess up the entire story with their triangle story and why she has to go back. That’s what I thing.

[Kbigc84]

I don’t believe either that she goes back because of Claire.
If Jack would says that he goes back because he wants to find his sister that’s believable but that Kate goes back, because she wants to finds Claire, that’s unbelievable!
The writer’s has mess up the entire story with their triangle story and why she has to go back. That’s what I thing.

they have no idea what to do with kate, its been like that since season 3.

[cloudzero]

I don’t believe either that she goes back because of Claire.
If Jack would says that he goes back because he wants to find his sister that’s believable but that Kate goes back, because she wants to finds Claire, that’s unbelievable!
The writer’s has mess up the entire story with their triangle story and why she has to go back. That’s what I thing.

I had a feeling that was not the reason why she's going back too.. However, being in front of Claire's mom and already given up Aaron to her.. it was the right thing for her to say that she is going back to look for Claire (even though it's not true imo).

[Sacred Knight]

The show was completely clear as to the reason she came back. If you guys are looking another reason besides finding Claire to reunite her with Aaron, you're going to be sorely disappointed. That may not be the only thing the island has in store for her now that she's back, but as for her, this is the one and only reason. This episode couldn't have been more black and white on this.

[Steve34436]

I personally think that in Kates mind shes looking for redemption, hense the " you needed him."

At the same time if you look back at all of lost that girl that told her that, mind f'ing her in my opinion, well to say the least not sure why Kate listened. Seriously shes cheating to begin with, then decides she wants to be a con man, then is so bad at it that it takes Kate to save her. Well lets put it this way, shes either one of the biggest "wanna be's" on the show or she is so good that shes really going for the long con.

I mean really she thinks Kate and Sawyer were together and now shes "buddy buddy" with Kate? Her being the woman that Sawyer was trying to con. I know its a tv show but still, think about it a little lol.

[forget me not]

The show was completely clear as to the reason she came back. If you guys are looking another reason besides finding Claire to reunite her with Aaron, you're going to be sorely disappointed. That may not be the only thing the island has in store for her now that she's back, but as for her, this is the one and only reason. This episode couldn't have been more black and white on this.

Ι couldn't have said it better.I actually thought kate was extremely mature in the episode and acted unselflessly.Ok she kept aaron because she needed him but she also gave him a mother and a home.Why else she would go back to the island and leave her life and kid behind?Every one of the 5 returned for their own reasons,Kate's was claire.Seems pretty legit to me..

[BT2]

kate should have been eaten by the smoke monster in season one

[neverred]

kate should have been eaten by the smoke monster in season one

I always thought Kate was the monster.:D

And when did Sawyer broke her heart?! I'm sorry but when Cassidy said that to Kate, all I kept thinking was um, no, she was the one always breaking Sawyer's heart for one reason or another.

[JerryJerr]

not only that but also by telling cassidy and claire's mom the truth about the survivors, kate has once again proved how selfish and irresponsible she really is.

Cut Kate some slack. This is a heavy heavy burden she is carrying around with her. Killing her abusive father out of love for her enabling mother. Being torn between Jack and Sawyer. And all of the crap she has gone through on the island.

She couldn't take it anymore. She told Cassie because of that fateful meeting where they helped each other out(establishing a deep trust with each other) and she felt she owed it to Claire's mom to tell her the truth.

Taking Claire's baby because she was trying to replace Sawyer blowing her off doesn't make sense. She already had the baby in the heli and she didn't know Sawyer was going to jump out of the heli.

Nobody knew where Claire was. They were getting off the Island. She had to make sure that baby got off the Island safely.

It was Jack who laid the foundation of not telling everyone the truth about what happened. Once Jack talked the 0 6 into doing that, she had no choice but to say the baby was hers.

I believe she went back to the Island so she could find Claire and get her back to Aaron.

[stillatin]

Ι couldn't have said it better.I actually thought kate was extremely mature in the episode and acted unselflessly.Ok she kept aaron because she needed him but she also gave him a mother and a home.Why else she would go back to the island and leave her life and kid behind?Every one of the 5 returned for their own reasons,Kate's was claire.Seems pretty legit to me..

seriously i agree with you two, not everything on LOST is double-speak people.

[umut]

kate should have been eaten by the smoke monster in season one

Smoky Monster doesn’t need to kill her of!
She is dead since the stupid triangle begins.:mad:

[lala23]

now I really don't understand kate, why was she so mysterious to jake about aaron . I mean she could have just told jack I gave him to her grandma. I mean jack is aaron's uncle after all. And then she sleeps with jack while she wants to go to the island to sleep with sawyer NOT to find claire that's just bs.

I felt really bad for kate because I tought someone kidnapped aaron and forced her to go to the island.

the writers really screwed up where kate is concerned

[Infinity]

now I really don't understand kate, why was she so mysterious to jake about aaron . I mean she could have just told jack I gave him to her grandma. I mean jack is aaron's uncle after all. And then she sleeps with jack while she wants to go to the island to sleep with sawyer NOT to find claire that's just bs.

I felt really bad for kate because I tought someone kidnapped aaron and forced her to go to the island.

the writers really screwed up where kate is concerned

Has this been established on the show as common knowledge, or do only the audience (and Jack) know this? Seriously, I don't remember.

[nohaa]

I am talking about raising a child for 3 years because she needed him .

[Sacred Knight]

Sooo...Kate's a horrible person for trying to fill a hole in her heart while at the same time giving a baby the love he too needed?

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

[k1n3ruchan]

Sooo...Kate's a horrible person for trying to fill a hole in her heart while at the same time giving a baby the love he too needed?

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

:giggle:

[lala23]

Has this been established on the show as common knowledge, or do only the audience (and Jack) know this? Seriously, I don't remember.

I think only jack and kate know this and maybe hurley because hurley told jack you weren't supposed to raise him. but apart of those three
I don't think anyone else knows.

[Kbigc84]

kate should have been eaten by the smoke monster in season one

amen brother, kate is a weak link in this show. Hurley needs to sit on her head

[funkergirl]

am i crazy or in another recent episode, when Sawyer was talking to Kate, didn't he say something to the effect of "why did you all come back", and kate said "i don't know why they did, but i know why i did" - giving us (or at least me) the impression that she came back for him? not claire. i also, this whole time she is off the island, got no impression that she ever cared about finding claire again, and that she was perfectly content with keeping aaron for herself.

[johnny_sack]

not only that but also by telling cassidy and claire's mom the truth about the survivors, kate has once again proved how selfish and irresponsible she really is.

I know this killed me!! How could she do that. She betrayed everyone, all of her friends, for purely selfish reasons AGAIN. She's done this so many times.

Not just the O6 either but everyone left on the island... for what? So she can feel a bit better about her self? So selfish. I totally dislike her now.

Also despite what she may have said, I think it's obvious she came back for Sawyer, not Claire. Even this episode seemed to further clarify this fact. You could see in her conversations with Cassidy that she was thinking about Sawyer and wanted to go back to him. I think that's the real reason. Why would she care so much about Claire when she thinks Claire is dead??

Also defending her saying it's ok to fill a hole in her heart by keeping a baby that isn't hers? So it's ok if I kidnap someone's kid to try and fill a hole in my heart, cut me some slack will you? That's makes sense.

She is totally selfish, period. In this episode for keeping Aaron because she "needed" him, and perhaps even worse, for telling people the truth about the O6.

[Thrawn]

Personally, I could care less why Kate is back. She's become the sole most uninteresting character to me and I find her increasingly annoyingly selfish, as you've said, in each new episode.

In a previous episode, sitting at the table with Hurley and Jack, she doesn't even try to pretend that she's not still pining over Sawyer, right in front of Jack, who she knows still loves her (for reasons I cannot fathom) and wants to be with her.

I watched this episode twice in a row tonight because it was so good, only I skipped over the flashbacks the second time. Every one of them. Spending that much screen time on Kate and why she took Aaron. Yes, she selfishly kept Aaron, we know. Further solidifying what we already know, is that Kate is a selfish, immature little whiny girl. I'm sorry, but who cares?
This post is full of truth.
Also, I don't know which main character they're gonna kill off, but hopefully they're doing all this with Kate so that if she's the one they kill off, we'll go along with it way better.
Kate is by far my LEAST favorite character on the show.

[BultomanZ]

Kate in season 5 is a lot better than the Kate in seasons 3 and 4. Now at least she has brains and tries to do the right thing (giving up her false son to his real family, saving an innocent kid even tough he will become an evil man).

But yeah, she is still boring. I just stand her because of her looks.

[guy]

now I really don't understand kate, why was she so mysterious to jake about aaron . I mean she could have just told jack I gave him to her grandma. I mean jack is aaron's uncle after all. And then she sleeps with jack while she wants to go to the island to sleep with sawyer NOT to find claire that's just bs.

I felt really bad for kate because I tought someone kidnapped aaron and forced her to go to the island.

the writers really screwed up where kate is concerned

she doesnt knoe if jack(jake*) is with ben or not and she didnt want to tell him cuz of that.

[Prof Nuggethead]

I have been bored with kate for awhile, and had no idea why she came back to the island. I am glad the writers at least tried to give her a purpose, otherwise she was just there to try and sleep with Sawyer. At least now she has a "mission" (sorta) of trying to find Claire. She has always been one of my least favorite characters, but at least she has a purpose. (Not just T and A)

[Torrak]

Actually, this was the very first Kate-centric episode that actually made me like her. Felt like she was being honest and not selfish for the very first time.

I'm surprised myself, but I found myself rooting for Kate. Its good that she has a purpose and a goal now, and isnt just a trophy for the guys to fight over any more.

[asum66]

kate isnt only immature and selfish- she is also the root of the problem with jack not helping baby ben. everything leads back to kate. she always have to be in the loop (good or bad) and it has to be her fault. if she wouldnt have messed around with sawyer while she was with jack, and if she wouldnt have broke jakes heart ( before they came back on the island) jack wouldnt have been jealous of sawyer and he wouldnt have told kate that line about he only save ben because she asked him to. so, i wasnt even mad jack, because it is kate's fault.

[penelopehume]

I actually thought Kate showed a little bit more maturity in this episode. I don't know what her motivation really is to save Ben, but it was nice to see her be decisive and take a risk to try and save him.

My impression was that she did decide to go back to the island for Claire. I think that when she was talking to Cassidy and Cassidy told her she took Aaron not because he needed her but because she needed him, that woke her up. Also, when she wondered why she felt like she was expecting Aaron to be taken, Cassidy told her it's because she took Aaron herself. I don't think she believes Claire is dead. There never was a body in the first place. Claire was simply missing. No one knows what happened to her. That is why she left Aaron with Claire's mom. She is giving him back to his true family. I think she realizes she can't keep lying. Sooner or later she would have to face the fact that Aaron is not her child. I think she wants to make things right by hopefully finding Claire.

[forget me not]

kate isnt only immature and selfish- she is also the root of the problem with jack not helping baby ben. everything leads back to kate. she always have to be in the loop (good or bad) and it has to be her fault. if she wouldnt have messed around with sawyer while she was with jack, and if she wouldnt have broke jakes heart ( before they came back on the island) jack wouldnt have been jealous of sawyer and he wouldnt have told kate that line about he only save ben because she asked him to. so, i wasnt even mad jack, because it is kate's fault.

Sorry but no way is kate responsible for jack's actions.I don't even like Jack but he is a grown man,a smart doctor and he was also a previous leader on the island.He can make his own decisions.He came back for his reasons that didn't include ben...he didn't want to save him.end of the story.why would kate be accountable for this?Every man for himself,Jack said it first...

[elleesa]

Kate stated on Penny's boat why she was keeping Aaron- because she had lost too many people to give him up and didn't want to lose him too. She was also Claire's best friend on the island apart from Charlie, and Kate helped her bring Aaron into the world. That is powerful motivation to feel guilty for leaving Claire behind.

I think losing Aaron in the supermarket made Kate feel like a bad mother. She probably felt that if he was her real son, some instinct would've prevented her from losing track of him, although all of us who have kids know how easily it can happen. She has reached the point where she knows Aaron needs his real mom, and it gives her a sense of purpose to find Claire. That is why she went back- not for Sawyer, for Claire.

She also knows how dangerous the island is. She'd be a fool to take a 3 year old back there with her. And if she's going back, who else could she safely leave Aaron with and know he was being properly cared for besides his own grandmother? The only way to get Carole to take charge of him was to tell her the truth. Nothing else would work.

[Blu_Butt]

At the same time if you look back at all of lost that girl that told her that, mind f'ing her in my opinion, well to say the least not sure why Kate listened.

Come again? :shock: Seriously, do people not even skim their posts before hitting submit?

[turtle]

when kate lost aaron in the supermarket it was the island "acting" ... that woman was somehow sent by the island, was a sign for kate to go back because she'd have lost aaron anyway if she refused to go back on the island. thats how i see it ...

[abblette]

Kate stated on Penny's boat why she was keeping Aaron- because she had lost too many people to give him up and didn't want to lose him too. She was also Claire's best friend on the island apart from Charlie, and Kate helped her bring Aaron into the world. That is powerful motivation to feel guilty for leaving Claire behind.



Im so glad you posted that :D


I really dont think Kate is immature, she was trying to do what was best in their situation and took care of aaron and she did a good job. We saw for oursleves the events that made her the right thing, well tell the truth and I think kate is being a complete adult in doing what shes doing

[Loiseau Chante]

Kate stated on Penny's boat why she was keeping Aaron- because she had lost too many people to give him up and didn't want to lose him too. She was also Claire's best friend on the island apart from Charlie, and Kate helped her bring Aaron into the world. That is powerful motivation to feel guilty for leaving Claire behind.

I think losing Aaron in the supermarket made Kate feel like a bad mother. She probably felt that if he was her real son, some instinct would've prevented her from losing track of him, although all of us who have kids know how easily it can happen. She has reached the point where she knows Aaron needs his real mom, and it gives her a sense of purpose to find Claire. That is why she went back- not for Sawyer, for Claire.

She also knows how dangerous the island is. She'd be a fool to take a 3 year old back there with her. And if she's going back, who else could she safely leave Aaron with and know he was being properly cared for besides his own grandmother? The only way to get Carole to take charge of him was to tell her the truth. Nothing else would work.
I completely agree with this.

However, I'd just like to add (and I can't help myself as a mother) that I hated that Kate left Aaron just to find Claire. I know Claire is his biological mother, but Kate is his mother for all intents and purposes. The only mother he's ever known. It makes me crazy thinking that she feels she has some mission to go back and find Claire for him when all he probably wants is HER! She is just trying to fix her initial "mistake" of keeping Aaron for her own selfish reasons, but now, in my mind, she's leaving him for her own selfish reasons.

I liked what they did with Kate's usually boring character in this episode, but I still think it was MORE selfish for her to leave Aaron than it would have been for her to stay and leave Claire on the island. Maybe I'm insane...;)

[abblette]

I completely agree with this.

However, I'd just like to add (and I can't help myself as a mother) that I hated that Kate left Aaron just to find Claire. I know Claire is his biological mother, but Kate is his mother for all intents and purposes. The only mother he's ever known. It makes me crazy thinking that she feels she has some mission to go back and find Claire for him when all he probably wants is HER! She is just trying to fix her initial "mistake" of keeping Aaron for her own selfish reasons, but now, in my mind, she's leaving him for her own selfish reasons.

I liked what they did with Kate's usually boring character in this episode, but I still think it was MORE selfish for her to leave Aaron than it would have been for her to stay and leave Claire on the island. Maybe I'm insane...;)

I can see your point, but if we think of the cases of some adopted children when they want to find their biological parents its sort of like that but aaron is younger and will get to know his blood related family. And if kate feels that she needed him she wants to try and correct
And in a way what she is doing is only right to claires mum as well, getting to know her own grandson, since claire didnt actually make the decsion to give aaron to kate

[elleesa]

I completely agree with this.

However, I'd just like to add (and I can't help myself as a mother) that I hated that Kate left Aaron just to find Claire. I know Claire is his biological mother, but Kate is his mother for all intents and purposes. The only mother he's ever known. It makes me crazy thinking that she feels she has some mission to go back and find Claire for him when all he probably wants is HER! She is just trying to fix her initial "mistake" of keeping Aaron for her own selfish reasons, but now, in my mind, she's leaving him for her own selfish reasons.

I liked what they did with Kate's usually boring character in this episode, but I still think it was MORE selfish for her to leave Aaron than it would have been for her to stay and leave Claire on the island. Maybe I'm insane...;)

I agree. It really bothered me on Ep 5-6 (316) that both Kate and Sun left their children behind without knowing how long they'd be gone. I got the feeling that Sun's mother was used to watching Yi Jeon and they had a bond, but you're right about Aaron. He doesn't know his grandmother and would be traumatized to be left with a stranger.

[abblette]

I agree. It really bothered me on Ep 5-6 (316) that both Kate and Sun left their children behind without knowing how long they'd be gone. I got the feeling that Sun's mother was used to watching Yi Jeon and they had a bond, but you're right about Aaron. He doesn't know his grandmother and would be traumatized to be left with a stranger.

At the same time though, the same thing would have happened if claires mum found out and got custody.
Both options have the same outcome

The thing is I have the feeling kate isnt going to win in the sitauion, you call her selfish if she keeps him, and selfish when she gives him to his real grandmother

[elleesa]

I never said she was being selfish. I think her reason for going back to the island to look for Claire is noble. But from a personal standpoint as a mom, I would be concerned for how "my child" was handling my absence if he was with someone he didn't know.

[pringle]

yes, kate has become somewhat irrelevant and overshadowed by juliet.

[Loiseau Chante]

I agree. It really bothered me on Ep 5-6 (316) that both Kate and Sun left their children behind without knowing how long they'd be gone. I got the feeling that Sun's mother was used to watching Yi Jeon and they had a bond, but you're right about Aaron. He doesn't know his grandmother and would be traumatized to be left with a stranger.
Absolutely! I complained to my husband for like an hour about the child abandonment issues I had with that episode. especially because does Sun know if she can even ever get back?? Ugh.

[abblette]

I never said she was being selfish. I think her reason for going back to the island to look for Claire is noble. But from a personal standpoint as a mom, I would be concerned for how "my child" was handling my absence if he was with someone he didn't know.

Yes I know that very true, but I think we need to place it in more complicated situations, what if kate had to go to jail and she had no one, every one had gone back to the island and no friends who knew aaron could take care of him and social services had to take him. He would be with strangers.
And if eventually claires mum knew and wnated to take custody and she would get him, then he would have ended up where he is now
I know neither of these have happened but Im just saying at least hes with some sort of family who will love him anc are for him
yes, kate has become somewhat irrelevant and overshadowed by juliet.

Whats that got to do with this thread?????

[Bladed Thesis]

I don't agree, I actually think Kate was very mature in this episode, to admit to needing someone to make her feel worthwhile and alive was a big step, it's hard to admit your shortcomings so I thought it was a refreshing step for her to take.

[explodingplant]

kate-haters lost some credibility imo in this thread. people being annoyed at kate's confusion between skate/jate was a perfectly respectable movement in the fandom but now kate-haters are just crazy with no points. things that kate does that make her better, people just chose to ignore. 'i don't believe she's back for claire.' yeah kate haters, she's back because she was bored with jack and she prefers jate-skate drama. suuureeee. can anyone say 'separated from reality'?

[Boring8Man]

I also don't understand this whole "Kate is so immature thread".
For me she has grown up a lot ,like Sawyer has.
Cassidy pointed well why she did care of Aaron. She wanted/thought she had a baby with Sawyer but he "rejected" that kind of a relationship and we had seen before that babies are an issue for Kate somehow.
She was really heart-broken so you can say she did care of Aaron for herself but was she awared of those excat feelings right then,I don't think so. She had been doing as a mom really good ,the boy didn't seem to complain:p But in the end she realized what was the right thing to do and when an ocassion poped up she made a decision ,very hard decision to find the real mother and try to move along and mayby chek out Cassidy's theory ,who knows. And that was a really mature action.

[abblette]

Exactly! and it annoys me that people call her immature.

Immature would have been if she never admitted what she done and why
Shes been mature by doing something about it, not immature which is what some people like to think

this is what I mean by Kate cant win, cos she is being mature yet people call her immature and if she didnt do anything about it then she would have been immature
People need to make up their mind what right, rather than picking at her every little action and hating her for it

and Im sooo sorry everyone I dont mean to rant its just confusing, no not confusing but frustrating when people are seeing a wrong in doing a right

[6andout]

not only that but also by telling cassidy and claire's mom the truth about the survivors, kate has once again proved how selfish and irresponsible she really is.

first of all, there are zero known consequences for Kate having told cassidy and claire's mom the truth. Cassidy apparently knew for roughly 3 years and said nothing. Kate needed someone to talk to. Maybe if the other O6-ers had confided in someone they lives wouldn't have deteriorated the way they did (drug addict, mental patient, assasin for hire).

As for the scene where she tells Claire's mom, I thought that was one of the best scenes of the season. Kate was direct and honest, which is a rarity for anyone on this show, and was (finally) doing the right thing by returning Aaron to his grandmother. Evangeline Lily was incredible in that scene, and when she said goodbye to aaron.

i don't see what was selfish or immature about either instance.

[UnluckyNumbers]

Kate did alright this episode.

I don't think I found the story or the reasons given to be totally convincing but thats the fault of the writers. The fact is that Kate was trying to confront her own shortcomings so I'll give her credit for that.

The fact that she denied herself the easy comfort of flipflopping between her two men is a great improvement by itself. Giving up Aaron to his real family was the right thing to do even if there was some compulsion behind it. Coming back for Claire was a bit spacy and left field...but whatever...I'll accept it as a worthy goal.

[shred]

Absolutely! I complained to my husband for like an hour about the child abandonment issues I had with that episode. especially because does Sun know if she can even ever get back?? Ugh.
I see your point. :nod: The child-leaving bugged me no end, even it was for "noble" purposes. My thinking is that these writers are not mothers. Kate leaving the boy to awaken to a vanished mommy was totally incredible--in the literal sense of that word. So Kate was being immature in that instance, I guess. But a "real" Kate" would have handled the situation differently.

[foxy_loves_me]

I agree. It really bothered me on Ep 5-6 (316) that both Kate and Sun left their children behind without knowing how long they'd be gone. I got the feeling that Sun's mother was used to watching Yi Jeon and they had a bond, but you're right about Aaron. He doesn't know his grandmother and would be traumatized to be left with a stranger.

I agree about Sun but, she was going to look for Jin, Yi Jeon's father. That I can see.

I don't know if Kate is immature or not going back for Claire. Perhaps she is trying to assuage her guilt now that she realizes she took him for purely selfish reasons? That would definitley be self serving. Kate has been the only mother Aaron has ever known/will remember. And now she's abandoned him to a total stranger.:blank: Talk about creating some mommy issues...:eh:

She said she told Aaron about Carole being his grandmother. Does Aaron even know what a grandmother is? How would you explain that to him, given the fact that Carole is not Kate's mother? :eh: As far as what has been revealed to us, the only "family" Aaron has ever known is Kate and Jack when he lived with them briefly. Apparently Cassidy is familiar to him...

The writers are bugging me to death with Kate leaving Aaron in unsafe situations. Immature? That's uncertain but careless for sure! I wouldn't leave my older nieces and nephews alone in a hotel room to go two doors down and have a conversation with someone, let alone a sleeping three year old! :faint: That one scene (and did she leave him ALONE in the room after she said, "Bye baby."?) took away all the credibility I had assigned to Kate as a mother. And I ADORE her and Aaron together. :sigh:

[pnkbrry17]

I think Kate went back beacuse she feels like a failure as a mother.
she lost him in the grocery store and knew it was going to happen.

she probably felt more loved on the island so she going back to have it again.
that Claire is over now , she's to selfish to look for Claire.

[abblette]

why dont you think that aaron should be with his mother?

[barefootpoetry]

First, let me say that Kate has never been my favorite character. I do think she is usually acting out of selfishness, and her motives in general just annoy me most of the time.

HOWEVER, this epi pulled at my heartstrings a little because I think it showed her NOT being selfish for a change. She gave up Aaron - who, like it or not, is essentially her son! - for the greater good. And I could really relate to what must have surely been a huge burden lifted off her shoulders when she told the truth to Cassidy. I think for once she had the right instinct and knew she could trust her, so she finally dropped that weight, even though she hung onto the part about Aaron. And giving blood to Ben, AND taking him to the Others! Wow! I almost hate to say it, but I felt really proud of her at that moment.

I think she has come a long way since the triangle days. Sawyer wasn't the only one who did a lot of growing up.





The writers are bugging me to death with Kate leaving Aaron in unsafe situations. Immature? That's uncertain but careless for sure! I wouldn't leave my older nieces and nephews alone in a hotel room to go two doors down and have a conversation with someone, let alone a sleeping three year old! :faint: That one scene (and did she leave him ALONE in the room after she said, "Bye baby."?) took away all the credibility I had assigned to Kate as a mother. And I ADORE her and Aaron together. :sigh:

Oh man, I thought I was the only one irritated by that!!! She just leaves...what if Claire's mom hadn't come in? Aaron would just have been left there! GOOD GRIEF!

You're right, she is ALWAYS leaving him unattended. Didn't she leave him in the car alone at the marina too? A kid as important as Aaron should be watched a little more closely, doncha think! But I think it is just oversight on behalf of the writers....admittedly sometimes I don't think they know much about parenthood.

[trh70]

The show was completely clear as to the reason she came back. If you guys are looking another reason besides finding Claire to reunite her with Aaron, you're going to be sorely disappointed. That may not be the only thing the island has in store for her now that she's back, but as for her, this is the one and only reason. This episode couldn't have been more black and white on this.

well said.

[6andout]

The show was completely clear as to the reason she came back. If you guys are looking another reason besides finding Claire to reunite her with Aaron, you're going to be sorely disappointed. That may not be the only thing the island has in store for her now that she's back, but as for her, this is the one and only reason. This episode couldn't have been more black and white on this.

great... what if Claire doesn't want to be saved, just like sawyer and juliet? or maybe she's dead. that would pull the rug right out from under kate... then what would she do? either way they better better have a good explanation as to where she's been... and I'm still pizzed they killed charlier off. so unnecessary...

[Sacred Knight]

Whether Claire wants to come back or not is irrelevant to Kate's decision. Kate, just like us, has no way of knowing what has become of her. What she does know and now consciously ackowledges, is that Aaron was unfairly separated from his birth mother, and out of her own love of him, even if it means losing him herself, Kate wants to try and give that back to Aaron if its within her power to do so. And the only way she's going to find out is if she tries.

[Bladed Thesis]

Whether Claire wants to come back or not is irrelevant to Kate's decision. Kate, just like us, has no way of knowing what has become of her. What she does know and now consciously ackowledges, is that Aaron was unfairly separated from his birth mother, and out of her own love of him, even if it means losing him herself, Kate wants to try and give that back to Aaron if its within her power to do so. And the only way she's going to find out is if she tries.

I concur, again it reinforces my belief that Kate as a character has grown and matured into someone more responsible and honest. All Kate has ever wanted was to settle down and stop running, to live a normal life, and for her to admit having Aaron is wrong and essentially giving up that chance is very noble.

[nohaa]

I am not talking about what she did with Ben, I am talking about her life outside of the Island and why she raised Aaron .

...For all of you who say she must die cause she is annoying , Kate character is annoying they mean that , it's part of her personality she has killed people conned others and she is so important to the show with her unique character even if there are many who hate her .. in fact if there were no haters of Kate that only means there's something wrong .
Kate is weird and unpredictable she is not hiding this like others who can act as a nice persons where they are not , and she is not a nice person she burnt her father .

[UnluckyNumbers]

And Kate's father beat her mother and its implied he may of done more to Kate.

Yes...Kate's murder was pre-meditated and coldly acted upon. But there were reasons behind it that excuse, in part, her deed.

Nor is murder a crime unique to Kate. Sawyer, Juliet, Charlie, Shannon, John Locke...they all had their reasons for committing murder or attempting to but it didn't make them evil.

[hmamma]

I was actually liking Kate again in this episode. I have been totally turned off to her for this season, and am glad for this episode.
I think the whole show was pointing towards "A child needs his mother." Yes Kate was selfish in lying and keeping Aaron for herself, and she finally owned up to her own selfishness. Now she wants to fix everything and redeem herself. I truly believe that is Kate's reason for coming back. She wants Aaron to have his mother. The whole deal that happened with Ben (and the convo with Ben's Dad about a child needing his mother), just solidifies it for me. Great episode, and I actually like Kate again. :w00t:

[Dutch3723]

I thought Kate did well this episode too - leaving Aaron was one of the hardest things she has had to do.
Can anyone tell me what the music/score is in the background as she's crying and saying goodbye - its been used a few times but I'd love to download it and I dont know what its called?

[VetteAMJ]

she is not a nice person she burnt her father .

You keep saying that as if Kate tied up her farther then poured gasoline over him an then lit a match on him an let him burn alive when she did nothing of the sort. fire wasnt involved until after a rather big explosion which im sure killed him then an there before his body(or what was left it) even had a chance to become ashes.

why dont you look at how Kates father treated Kate an her mom. does his actions not bother you in the least,, or do you care more that a prick like that died instead?

getting back on topic ive always found Kate to be immature. especially in earlier Seasons,, but cuz she kept going back an forth between men. if she keeps up with that crap then i'll still continue to think shes immature.

[Exie]

I thought Kate did well this episode too - leaving Aaron was one of the hardest things she has had to do.
Can anyone tell me what the music/score is in the background as she's crying and saying goodbye - its been used a few times but I'd love to download it and I dont know what its called?
Please stop spamming the boards with the same post.

It's already been mentioned to you that Lost-Forum does not allow illegal music downloads. If you post this again you will receive a warning.

[KAHANA]

If she really came back for Claire then I think she is a much better character now. I just hope they start that plotline soon.

[Lawnchair]

not only that but also by telling cassidy and claire's mom the truth about the survivors, kate has once again proved how selfish and irresponsible she really is.
I couldn't agree more

[nohaa]

why dont you look at how Kates father treated Kate an her mom. does his actions not bother you in the least,, or do you care more that a prick like that died instead?

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No I don't care about him at all I care about Kate ,first it's so awful to kill second it's not right to kill expecting this to solve your problems unless he raped her and she wanted a revenge , especially that Kate treated her mother as a victim which is not true cause her mother shared the responsibelty for her daughter suffer with this alcoholic man as she kept living with him which is so so selfish .

If Kate was a normal person she may have left them both and started a new life cause her mother refused to leave her husband and go with her but instead she decided to kill him based on a wrong thought that her mother is a victim and she wasn't able to see the truth and how her mother took the decision to live with this terrible abusing man which leads her to make another mistake by telling her mother that she took the decision to kill him .

Kate didn't kill her father to punish him for what he did to her or her mother , she killed him to end her suffer and live a happy life with her mother afterwards and this is not a right way in life .

I know that Kate is a victim but her terrible life with her parents leads her to make awful things in life and be a psychotic person , this is Kate . not a normal person blame her or not .

[connect1337]

kate<3

[Shard]

they have no idea what to do with kate, its been like that since season 3.

If that were true they would kill her off like they did to poor Charlie. :(

[Juliiaxx]

Kate goes back to the island behind her on the run lifestyle is still part of her. She gets settled down with a child, a nice house and she can't take it. The guilt that goes along with pretending Aaron is hers overwhelms her, and when she hears that Jack is going back to the island.. well when has she ever turned down an adventure along side him?

Kate and Claire always had a special bond. Kate she said she would take care of Aaron. It was in this episode that Kate realized to take care of Aaron she would have to return his mum to him.

And don't forget, "Aaron can't be raised by another, Claire, it has to be you."- [Psychic in S1.]