Jack's grandfather

[dampfnudel]

What's his involvement?

[Shoe]

I say Jacob.

[elleesa]

I wonder if Jack's family is a lot like Charlotte's. His grandfather was originally Dharma, and his grandmother left the island.

[ThePolarBear]

I said it in the live discussion, I'll say it again. I have the strangest feeling that he's older!Jack.

[Gibey]

Unless they revisit him or that, I was disappointed by how pointless it seemed. Took time away from an otherwise awesome episode.

[abblette]

I dont think he was as important as you think

All it helped show, was his relationship to kate a bit more, but more importantly lead him to the shoes which were important, thats all

[nakedgnome]

I dont think he was as important as you think

All it helped show, was his relationship to kate a bit more, but more importantly lead him to the shoes which were important, thats all

Maybe, but i have a strange feeling he might be someone of importance. I have a feeling his grandfather knew what Jack was about to do.

[Milhouse911]

Jack's grandad has to have major significance. That scene stuck out like a sore thumb in this ep. They wouldn't have included it if it didn't mean something. I like the theory that gramps=Jacob. That would be so great! I think gramps knew Jack had to get something from his dad to give to Locke. He knows everything! He put those shoes there on purpose.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Didnt jack call him Ray?

[Crusoe54]

I said it in the live discussion, I'll say it again. I have the strangest feeling that he's older!Jack.
You gave me a Doh! moment. My Grandfather Jack was named Jacob.

[Vashner]

Yea I don't think we have seen the last of Grandpa.

[Sacred Knight]

Mm-hmm. Whoever said that this sticks out at the moment was right on. The general aspects of Jack's character, family, friends, lifestyle, etc, not to mention that of all the main characters, were finished two seasons ago. To now introduce his grandfather, especially in an episode such as tonight, will just end up jarring unless there's more mythology-based to it. There were any infinite number of ways they could have written in Jack getting an item belonging to Christian to give to Locke that would have flowed nice and snug with Jack getting ready for his journey without calling so much attention to itself. Which makes me think it called so much attention to itself for a reason.

In my personal opinion this is just another step towards a reveal that for all this time Jack's entire bloodline has a history with this island.

[poche']

I think he is important how we were told he keeps taking off trying to leave the place and what he was saying to jack about going some place better someday cant remember exact quote im fallin asleep lol but i just had this huge feeling hed been on the island b4 an he wanted to go bak wit jack i even thought i saw him on the plane when jack looked back but i blame that on the lack of sleep and me just wanting him to b there i thought he was really sweet lmaooo

[Shard]

I say Jacob.

I second that!

[barefootpoetry]

Ooooh, I like the Jacob theory.

Grandpa looks much too spry to be in a nursing home though, IMO. He seems really young for as old as he would have to be. (I'm guessing Jack's in his early thirties, which puts Christian as 50s-60s, which puts Grandpa as 80+!)

And I just have to say that they have done a great job casting that whole family. All three of them geniunely look related. Especially Jack and Christian.

[DENNYKIRK]

Didnt jack call him Ray?

Yes, he did.

[ctshib]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

[Depeche609]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

My brain just exploded trying to figure this out.:)
Nice one! Good theory...

[sammantha]

I believe that jack's grandpa is going to have a future role to play. at least, i hope so! that nursing home scene sort of broke my heart. the packed bag... i almost wanted jack to take bring along his grandpa to the island.

although, the island probably isn't the best sort of place for retirement.

[lilygilder]

if old granddad's name is spelled REY instead of ray, that is "king" in spanish

therefore christian, jack, claire and aaron are of the king's lineage

[benos]

I don't think Kate's gonna get jiggy with Old Grandpa Sawyer. lol. Well, James, I mean.

Don't think that Sawyer/James is Jack's grandfather.

But thing is, when he ended up telling Jack about Christian would fit into this theory. But it'll kinda stupid. Jack would not handle seeing Sawyer aka his granddad having sex with his love interest, Kate. Lawl.

[skynectar2005]

I said it in the live discussion, I'll say it again. I have the strangest feeling that he's older!Jack.

:shock: that would be shocking. He did seem like he planed for Jack to come get the shoes. He had them in his suitcase and he gave Jack a very strange look when he asked if he could have them, like a "your doing the right thing" look. I have a feeling he is going to be important sooner or later.

[lilygilder]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

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if you like anagrams, howzabout this:

sawyer = was rey (was the "king" in spanish)

[channelwood]

What's his involvement?

He's a US senator on the intelligence committee looking in to Covenant activity on the Island as it relates to the prophecies of Milo Rambaldi.

[pippoextrasweet]

I agree they wouldn't have written such a long scene about nothing. It wouldn't be LOST if we will get our AHA some eps later :w00t:

BTW - who also get such a big gap between the front teeth, it was shown in quite a long close up?

[jc8026]

I think he is important how we were told he keeps taking off trying to leave the place and what he was saying to jack about going some place better someday cant remember exact quote im fallin asleep lol but i just had this huge feeling hed been on the island b4 an he wanted to go bak wit jack i even thought i saw him on the plane when jack looked back but i blame that on the lack of sleep and me just wanting him to b there i thought he was really sweet lmaooo

Not starting a flame war here, but reading that almost caused internal bleeding in my brain.

I expected better English from people in England :p

[Exie]

Not starting a flame war here, but reading that almost caused internal bleeding in my brain.

I expected better English from people in England :p

Yes, netspeak is frowned upon here, because it makes for difficult reading. :) It only takes a couple of keystrokes extra to finish spelling out a word. :p

I have to say I do use netspeak, but only in text messages on my cell when it's taking forever to type out a word. :D

[Ramarqable]

The whole time watching this scene i was waiting for grandpa rey to say "...the wrong kid died" hah ;)

[abblette]

In my personal opinion this is just another step towards a reveal that for all this time Jack's entire bloodline has a history with this island.

Yes I prefer that to Jacob, I dont think hes Jacob
But yeah he could have been on the island

Im still confused to why Jack called him Ray

[k1n3ruchan]

Yes I prefer that to Jacob, I dont think hes Jacob
But yeah he could have been on the island

Im still confused to why Jack called him Ray

i agree! i though too he must been on that island, maby hes a friend of charls widmore?

and why did they call jack?!?!? i mean why didnt they call his mum?? :confused:
i dont think hes just there for jack to find the shoes
they could have found another way for that!
grandpa must mean smth. :eh:

[buffyfan145]

I liked Jack's grandpa. :D I too think he's going to be playing a bigger role. :nod: And where was Rey trying to go??? I think he very well could have been on that Island. :nod:

That's really cool about his name meaning "King". :D

But on a serious note, I really liked how much closer Jack seemed with his grandfather, compared to Christian. At least Jack did have his grandfather's support when his dad treated him differently. Plus, good casting again cuz Rey does look like Jack's grandfather.

[108_Minutes]

Maybe, but i have a strange feeling he might be someone of importance. I have a feeling his grandfather knew what Jack was about to do.

I totally agree. The excuse that he just 'threw the shoes in the bag in a hurry' was a lame one. He knew attempting to run away would bring Jack to him, and Jack would help him unpack and discover the shoes.

I like that this was the way Jack found something of his father's to put in the coffin with Locke. I had been wondering how he was going to pull that one off.

[Toad]

It was spelled "Ray," not "Rey," on my closed captioning.

[hayser]

I believe that jack's grandpa is going to have a future role to play. at least, i hope so! that nursing home scene sort of broke my heart. the packed bag... i almost wanted jack to take bring along his grandpa to the island.

although, the island probably isn't the best sort of place for retirement.


I wanted Jack to bring him along aswell. I really wish we could have seen more interaction between Jack and Ray. They seemed to get along so well. I also wish Jack had mentioned something about Margo. It's just so unlike him not to seem to care about leaving his mother, grandfather and nephew behind.

[bobyo]

I kept waiting for Jack to ask him to come on the plane with him. Didn't happen though. :(

[nazcat]

He was sitting watching the magic show with the white rabbit and mentioned if he was to get out he would miss the magic show ( very sarcastically) The staff also told jack that he keeps attempting to leave! maybe he has left time warping of course and returning to the island! He will play a key part for sure!!

[Barcs]

I have mixed feelings about this. It was rather sudden to introduce a new family member. Now he looks old and there's no evidence to show he was on the island... but if Christian has truly been on the island for a long time, then the Grandfather must have been at some point as well and both must be a LOT older than we think. Either that or Christian really is just a patsy being used by the island.

[Nadia_Bg]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

I can't quite see how this whole Sawyer-Ray thing could play out in the show but I completely agree that Jack's grandpa resembles Sawyer way too much! When he started speaking my first thought was that he is somehow connected to Sawyer! :eh:

[staroc]

I liked Jack's grandpa. :D I too think he's going to be playing a bigger role. :nod: And where was Rey trying to go??? I think he very well could have been on that Island. :nod:

I agree with you, especially since Ray said: "One of these times I'm actually gonna get away. They won't ever find me either."

That last sentence in combination to his earlier going "somewhere better than here", sells me to the idea of Ray also looking to find the island. :shock:

[Thoth]

Jack's grandfather was one of the best casting choices on LOST to date. Not only did he look like Jack,but he shared similarities with Claire as well. Incredible.

[Feva]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

I highly doubt that, it just wouldn't make sense at all, even at Lost, lol. That wud make sawyer Claire's grandad too :P
Christians dad.. oh cmon.. just seems so.. impossible :P

[wednesdaynight]

The Actor's real name is Raymond J. Barry--maybe when they were shooting the scene, Matthew Fox called him Ray by accident, and they just rolled with it...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000855/

Also, IMDB has it spelled Ray, not like the Spanish word for King...

[Oceanicgirl]

Am I the only one who find that bunny really interesting? Made me think of Ben's bunny he had when he was a kid.. I mean seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather knows Ben or has something to do with Dharma.

[wednesdaynight]

Am I the only one who find that bunny really interesting? Made me think of Ben's bunny he had when he was a kid.. I mean seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather knows Ben or has something to do with Dharma.

I think the bunny is more of an easter egg (haha--that's funny...) than anything plot derived...

[nazcat]

I don't think Jack was the only one who said Ray, didn't the worker say it too?!

[-sparky-]

Grandad was watching a magic show... with a bunny...
Whats the bets the magician was going to make the bunny disappear...

Now think back to the training videos...
And disappearing bunnies...

Ooooh!

[jrgirl]

OK, here's a thought - what if Ray is really Jack? In a scene at the beginning, the year 1953 was shown. If the group went back to the island and are stuck in that year then feasibly Ray could be Jack (at least the ages match up) in 2009. Ray knows Jack needs the shoes because Ray IS Jack. Of course, how Ray got off the island, etc is something I can't figure out. Just throwing that one out there for you all to wrap your heads around.

[pax]

well, that would really mess with things, since jack would be his own father's father and would have had sex with his own grandmother. talk about an incestuous family...

[Vashner]

I think it's safe to say Jack is only.. Jack lol.

Sure we have not seen the last of Grandpa. Was he a Doctor too?

[KissMyNamaste]

I say Jacob.

my vote too, the shoe thing gave him up for me :)

[nathansurgenor]

When Jack was walking down the hallway with Ray I just blurted out 'Jacob'; seems to me when Jacob is revealed it will have to be a shock moment so if you're gonna introduce the character it has be soon (we are in the penultimate season).
Also, think about Ray trying to leave on the bus: tries to escape, knowing Jack will be called, which brings him to the home to 'accidentally' find the shoes - if he's not Jacob, he's definitely a friend!

[Boring8Man]

Jack's grandpa is a great dude :D Jack seeing him in DI times anyone?
I bet it's not enough of him. Why introduce this character only for a one scene so "close" to the end of the show. I don't reckon he's Jacob but probably someone significant.

[pip55]

Perhaps Jack's Grandpa is also Sawyer's Grandpa -

[bavic]

couldnt the characters first name be "Ray" or is there some reason his name can be Ray?

[borbbrob]

This may sound crazy, but this is the first thing I thought when I heard GrandDad speak.....

SAWYER!!!

Listen to every one of his lines and imagine Sawyer speaking them...

"Girl with the freckles"

"Touche"

"Packed my bags for a quick get-away"

I think Jacks grandpop is Sawyer. He probably got stuck in the past somehow, got off the island, and all along has been Jacks grand-dad. Which also may explain why he happened to have something of Jacks dad's (the shoes) exactly when Jack needed it. Even his speaking style was like Sawyer, sorta nonchalant, and even cocky.

Shib

I rewatched this part and indeed he sounds exactly like sawyer not like Christian or Jack. Especially the freckles part. BUt granddad has a gap between his front teeth... does saywer have this? or someone else? They showed it very clearly i think they intended to do this.
Would be awsome! After all with the time jumping everything is possible now.

[Marial]

I think he was in the epi only because of Christian's shoes.
And maybe to remark that Shepard's temptation of running away.
But I like all your theories!

[Revo]

I rewatched this part and indeed he sounds exactly like sawyer not like Christian or Jack. Especially the freckles part. BUt granddad has a gap between his front teeth... does saywer have this? or someone else? They showed it very clearly i think they intended to do this.
Would be awsome! After all with the time jumping everything is possible now.

But not that. It'd be ultra cheesy. Besides Kate does have lots of freckles, I don't see how it's relevant. I mean, I would probably call her "the cute girl with freckles" if I didn't know her name.

[ValSilph]

I rewatched this part and indeed he sounds exactly like sawyer not like Christian or Jack. Especially the freckles part. BUt granddad has a gap between his front teeth... does saywer have this? or someone else? They showed it very clearly i think they intended to do this.
Would be awsome! After all with the time jumping everything is possible now.
I rewatched that part, and yes I see the gap in Jack's Grandfather's teeth...I have no idea if Sawyer has one or not. Is it at all possible for someone to aquire a gap later in life? Or are you just born with it?

Btw, I do LOVE this idea that his Granddad is Sawyer. I rewatched that scene, and really, I could imagine Sawyer saying all those lines.
And then there's the bit about him asking about Kate, the "pretty one, with all the freckles".

Most importantly...would the screenwriters/Lost people REALLY have such a long scene where it's only point is to get the shoes for Locke? Jack could have easily gotten something much quicker. But instead he goes to visit his Grandfather, and has this chat with him.
And the whole while that they're talking, you just get the feeling that his Grandfather knows something...I was convinced that he was going to go to the island with Jack.

Anyways, I am in full support of this theory.:D

EDIT:
Btw, Sawyer (as of yet) does not have a gap between his teeth...
http://www.josh-holloway.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=514&pos=13

[Boring8Man]

It's a crazy theory but I like it! I like it a lot! I haven't match the way Ray said his lines with how would Sawyer said them but indeed the freckles line may be a clue.
Remember Sawyer saying to Kate early in S1 that "We ain't that different.Gimme some bandages... I'd be like him".Wouldn't that be ironic if he was right even if he hadn't got a clue then.
I'd be unbelievable to be true but speculation always welcome. And this one is kinda hilarious also :p
Mayby it's time to remind some Sawyer and Jack lines about themselves from the earlier seasons? :D

[lilygilder]

btw, was jack's granddad present at the memorial service for christian?i.e., was he in view in the scene?

[ValSilph]

Even if he isn't Sawyer, I'm willing to bet there's more there then meets the eye. Just watch Ray as Jack walks around the room...he just has this knowing look. And when he says the "freckles" line, and waits for Jack to answer, he has the look of someone who already knows the answer.
Hmm....:D

[tinylamp]

If you want to go from the possible to the insane ......... Hurley is Hugo REYes (yes, I know it was spelt Ray)

Also, if we are talkiing abut Gramps sounding like Sawyer .... this is not the first time someone has sounded like Sawyer .... I posted a while ago about how the Sheriff holding Kate in the pilot epi sounded and behaved like Sawyer - he called the stewardess 'Sweetcakes' (or was it Sweetheart) just like Sawyer uses nicknames and his manner and demeanor were very similar.

Is there an army of Sawyers? Or is it possible like my theory of lost - that most of what we are seeing is in fact like Des' snowglobe - not in real life and just a reoccurring of phrases, people who look alike, events etc - so eventually, we will have new characters who increasingly become obvious as rejurgitations of 'dark, curly haired women' 'men who use nicknames' etc.

[Boring8Man]

btw, was jack's granddad present at the memorial service for christian?i.e., was he in view in the scene?

Ain't think so. I guess not but could someone rewatch that scene and confirm this?(I haven't got S4 DVD, yet)

[KAHANA]

why did he call him by his first name? i was thinking maybe it was sarahs father but then why would sarahs father have christians sneakers:p

[Koo]

I love this theory that the granddad is actually sawyer. It's way out there and kinda crazy but something about it feels that it could be possible. Lol. I love it! When he said that freckles bit, there was a moment of tension in the air. The granddad is someone important. He knows stuff!

I'm just re watching the episode and I'm now convinced the grandad is sawyer. It's not just the words, his mannerisms are very similiar. He does that head tilt thing that sawyer does.

[gypsea]

Can someone explain to me why Ray being Jacob makes sense? Everyone is all "OMG JACOB" all the time, but i haven't really heard any logical reasoning behind it...

Also, as far as Jack addressing his grandfather by his first name, I interpreted that as a way to show that maybe he and Jack aren't all that close - that they don't really know each other as well as other grandsons/grandfathers.

And the gap in the teeth - I am all for searching for clues in the little things, but why can't the gap-tooth just be attributed to the fact that the actor they wanted to hire has a gap-tooth? He can't help it.
And I kind of doubt TPTB would hire an actor solely because he has a gap-tooth or go through the trouble to create one in makeup just to hint at something else...

:)

[jstaff22]

One other thing to support Jack is actually "Ray," - Ray Stevens, known for his country and folk style songs, covered (and made popular) an old 40's song called, "I Am My Own Grandpa."

Stretch? Yes. Would I put it past the writers? No.

[lilygilder]

i'm on the west coast and watching right now the encore, enhanced version of this episode with pop- ups.

i find it interesting that during the scene where jack goes to visit his granddad, the pop-ups talk about the rabbit and christian, but NOT a single word about the granddad -- almost as though darlton went out of their way to avoid doing so.

thus, still no official spelling of granddad's name -- "Rey" or "Ray" or "Re" or "Rhea" ...

[oziwan]

I love this theory that the granddad is actually sawyer. It's way out there and kinda crazy but something about it feels that it could be possible. Lol. I love it! When he said that freckles bit, there was a moment of tension in the air. The granddad is someone important. He knows stuff!

I'm just re watching the episode and I'm now convinced the grandad is sawyer. It's not just the words, his mannerisms are very similiar. He does that head tilt thing that sawyer does.

if sawyer is jack's grandfather, then kate is.. his grandmother...

EWW