Desmond & Penny & Son

[Dharma_Bun]

He named him Charlie, after the man who saved his life (Charlie Pace)!!!

[lordsmert]

Its the same Charlie that we've come to know and love.

[golden_rhino]

Any chance that the blonde haired blue eyed child will grow up to be the Charlie that we know and love?

[Gibey]

Charlie Hume... I found that touching.

And we've already met both of Charlie's parents, guys.

[Blu_Butt]

Its the same Charlie that we've come to know and love.

:eh: OMG, I hadn't thought of that.

[Flame]

Its the same Charlie that we've come to know and love.

yeah, right, he died and was reborn in the same timeline...:rolleyes:

[bryb8y215]

Yeah that makes much more sense then Charles, Penny's dad, duh me, lol

[Khryz]

So do you think that Desmond named his son after the Charlie who died from the previous season or ... something a little more .. weird? ;)

Something that would explain Desmond's connection with the old Charlie?

EDIT: Crap, sorry didn't see the other thread about this. Mods can delete/lock.

[Blu_Butt]

Something else I just thought of... didn't Charlie's dad die when he was young? Didn't he recolect on the island that his dad used to take him and his brother fishing? And didn't Penny just say in this episode that Charlie wanted to go fishing?

Am I imagining that Big Charlie mentioned that he and his dad used to go fishing?

[Dharma_Bun]

The kid is NOT Charlie Pace. He was named in honor of Charlie Pace. His father was a butcher, and we've seen him already.

[zt001]

For some reason I always thought those bodies on the island, Adam and Eve, turn out to be Desmond and Penny. Maybe it all comes back around.

[Maemura]

But didn't Charlie have an older brother named Liam?

So it can't be him. They must have named him in honour of Charlie who died so Des wouldn't.

[Blu_Butt]

The kid is NOT Charlie Pace. He was named in honor of Charlie Pace. His father was a butcher, and we've seen him already.

Yeah, you're right.

[Emi-chan]

The kid is NOT Charlie Pace. He was named in honor of Charlie Pace. His father was a butcher, and we've seen him already.

Yep!


But didn't Charlie have an older brother named Liam?

So it can't be him. They must have named him in honour of Charlie who died so Des wouldn't.

Yep!

I know it's Lost, but I really think this kid is just a namesake! It's cute.

[dampfnudel]

yeah, right, he died and was reborn in the same timeline...:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the Charlie we knew, but with "Lost", you never know.:D

[Milhouse911]

I feel bad for Charlie Hume. It seems like he's spent most of his life stuck on a boat! Kids need space to run around or they go nuts!

[5littlemunchkins]

What if he is named after his Grandfather? Charles Widmore?

[merriweather]

:eh: OMG, I hadn't thought of that.

Darn it all!! Me either... this was so Widmore-heavy that all I thought of was CHARLES Widmore and was like, 'what the??

But Awww... Charlie! now I feel better!

But you know, if Widmore finds out about him...well, he'll probably think what I first thought. But he'd be a fool, like me, lol.

[Emi-chan]

I feel bad for Charlie Hume. It seems like he's spent most of his life stuck on a boat! Kids need space to run around or they go nuts!

At least he got to go fishing in the Thames, haha.

[Greg32]

That definitely wasn't THE Charlie, but it was definitely an "aww" moment, I thinker it was a quick reference for all the Charlie fans.

But the thing about the butcher shop and Locke and Ben still gives me hope that maybe Charlie can return. I hope...

[ThePolarBear]

I thought for a second that it might be THE Charlie, too (you never know with Lost)! I love that Des named his son after Charlie. And for some odd reason I didn't put together that Charles is also Penny's dad's name. So I wonder if the baby's name is actually Charles or Charlie?

Also: Charlie Hume and Aaron Littleton-Austen are going to be BFFFs.

[Blu_Butt]

I have a question....

What time line was it when "Mrs. Hawkings" told Desmond to return to the Island?

Was that during one of his "flashes" from the island where he can see the future? If so, is that the meeting he's going to have with her when he goes to LA to find her?

[bobyo]

Yeah that makes much more sense then Charles, Penny's dad, duh me, lol


haha don't feel bad I thought the same thing til I opened this thread. "Why the heck would Desmond name him after Charles Widmore???"

[jennraye]

I have a question....

What time line was it when "Mrs. Hawkings" told Desmond to return to the Island?

Was that during one of his "flashes" from the island where he can see the future? If so, is that the meeting he's going to have with her when he goes to LA to find her?

I think it was in a flash, but it was back to an incident that took place right before the photo was taken of Des and Penny that Naomi had with her, and Des carried with him. i think.............

[shred]

That little actor is so adorable, I can't stand it! :) His hair! :D

[Blu_Butt]

I think it was in a flash, but it was back to an incident that took place right before the photo was taken of Des and Penny that Naomi had with her, and Des carried with him. i think.............

But I don't understand how he's been on the island twice before. Because Mrs. Hawkin's said he had to go back to island, insinuating that he had already been there.

I'm so freaking confused. :shock:

[zt001]

But I don't understand how he's been on the island twice before. Because Mrs. Hawkin's said he had to go back to island, insinuating that he had already been there.

I'm so freaking confused. :shock:

Maybe she was talking about him going back in this season's timeline?

[wehavetogoback]

I have a question....

What time line was it when "Mrs. Hawkings" told Desmond to return to the Island?

Was that during one of his "flashes" from the island where he can see the future? If so, is that the meeting he's going to have with her when he goes to LA to find her?


No if you watched in this episode and the previous one with Des and Penny they already have wedding rings on. So He wont be going to the jewelry store to buy her an engagement ring in LA because that was in the UK that he met her in the store and hence... they are already married.

[Sacred Knight]

As if there weren't already enough reasons to love Desmond, he goes and name's his son Charlie. That was a big "aww" moment.

[White Summer]

The fact that he named his son Charlie made me ridiculously happy.

[Count2Five]

It's a great way to honor Charlie- I think he'd be very happy! :D

[hefner1978]

your spot on... when des and penny go to the island there son will grow up to be charlie widmore

[bigboss]

your spot on... when des and penny go to the island there son will grow up to be charlie widmore

soo Penny's son is also her father?:P

[meep]

soo Penny's son is also her father?:P

:crackup:

[janhof]

Anyone get the feeling penny knows way more than she is letting on? She clocked desmond in his lie very very fast......hmmmm...but then again i still dont trust juliet.........lol

[KBHoeSir]

Anyone get the feeling penny knows way more than she is letting on? She clocked desmond in his lie very very fast......hmmmm...but then again i still dont trust juliet.........lol

Desmond is a terrible lier ;)

[Vashner]

Anyone get the feeling penny knows way more than she is letting on? She clocked desmond in his lie very very fast......hmmmm...but then again i still dont trust juliet.........lol

Aye.. I always have been suspicous. I think she was born on the island and has known about it and was involved with Desmond going into the military and getting on the island in the first place.

Ok bit of a stretch but maybe her mom is Faraday's mom too?

[SayyidIsTheBoss]

Yeah that makes much more sense then Charles, Penny's dad, duh me, lol

but my question is, why would they name their kid after Penny's dad? Their relationship with the man isn't the best in the world

[bryb8y215]

but my question is, why would they name their kid after Penny's dad? Their relationship with the man isn't the best in the world

They named him after Charlie, the rock star who saved desmonds life at the end of season three, when he put up his hand and it said 'not penny's boat', that charlie, i was reacting to another post pointing that out cause i thought, originally, without thinking actually, that they named him after Chales Widmore, and i actually had the same exact thought you had of 'why would they name him after the man they hate' then i rationalized it with 'well it is Penny's dad, and she is kind of a family type of person' then i read the post and was like 'oh yeah duh, its Chalie, Claires Charlie' lol

[irene520]

I thought for a second that it might be THE Charlie, too (you never know with Lost)! I love that Des named his son after Charlie. And for some odd reason I didn't put together that Charles is also Penny's dad's name. So I wonder if the baby's name is actually Charles or Charlie?

Also: Charlie Hume and Aaron Littleton-Austen are going to be BFFFs.


Besties! How cute!

[bugger]

Now it looks like Desmond, Penny & son are headed to L.A. Remember Ben wanted to kill Penny last season. Is the lady at the church at the end of the previous episode Daniel's mother? So if Desmond and Penny seek out Daniel's mother and she is the lady that was with Ben at the end of the previous episode, Ben and Penny's paths are likely to cross.

[xxGoneforeverxx]

How cute is baby Charlie?!! :D So touching that they named the baby after Charlie. I don't think this is the Charlie Pace we know and love, it's just a baby named in rememberance of him. It could also be that baby Charlie is named after his grandad (it's pretty common here in England to name babies Charlie being named after an elder relation called Charles - I've seen it a lot). I just don't understand why they would name the baby after Charles Widmore because they certainly don't want anything to do with him.

I think at one point the little actor who plays baby Charlie may very well have played baby Aaron - they re-use babies if needed as background/cast members. :):)

[SPARTACVS]

I can really imagine a future conversation between Charles Widmore and either Desmond or Penny or both of them, where he finds out about Charlie being born and says something along the lines of "You actually named him after me?", to which one of them replies "No, he's named after a very brave man that you killed".

[Apostoli]

Charlie Pace being their son makes little sense and is a ridiculous theory. Mind you this is LOST but come on!

[Schuh1234]

Why go through the whole scene of giving birth and looking for the doctor? Is there any importance to that or just a shout out to the fact that you can't give birth on the island?

[buffyfan145]

LOVE the fact they named him after Charlie!!! :love: Great way to honor Charlie Pace. And I SO want to see little Charlie be best friends with Aaron. :nod: Kind of feel like we could make a show with the Losties kids in the future; with Aaron, Ji Yeon, Charlie, Clementine, and Walt. ;)

[veela-valoom]

Any mention of Charlie makes me happy.

But it also makes me sad. I miss Charlie :(

[Backpack]

LOVE the fact they named him after Charlie!!! :love: Great way to honor Charlie Pace. And I SO want to see little Charlie be best friends with Aaron. :nod: Kind of feel like we could make a show with the Losties kids in the future; with Aaron, Ji Yeon, Charlie, Clementine, and Walt. ;)

:rotflol:
Spin-off series, right there! :giggle:


Naming him "Charlie" was completely touching: that's the kind of thing that makes me love this show more and more!

[xxGoneforeverxx]

LOST: The kids' turn.

Okay, ha ha. Would love to see the children get together though...

Aaron's 3 years old, Yi Jeon's 3 years, Clementine is about 5 years old (yes? Not sure on this one) and Charlie's about 2/3 too, I'd say? Walt's alot older but he could be the 'Locke' of the group. Aaron would be the one saving them all, Clementine would be the one everyone wants to date, Yi Jeon the quite, calm one and Charlie...well, he'd just be plain old Charlie :).

So maybe not. :) Would be funny to watch though. xD

[Dave-0]

A friend of mine brought up a good point after watching last nights episode. I guess this can be considered another "theory" but it pretty much spawned from the information given in last nights episode...

Desmond and Penny’s child “Charlie” is Charles Widmore.

Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes.

Let’s go back to season one and focus on Adam & Eve, these corpses were found with a black stone and a white stone by them. Now we go to Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes” in this episode we see a black stone and a white stone on the table where Desmond and Penny live.
What if Desmond and Penny return to the Island and are stuck in a Time Loop they inadvertently die in the past and their child “Charlie” is raised on the island by Richard Alpert and his people. Charlie is seen as special when he is on the island so for a short time he is the leader of the others. Richard did say the selection is made at a very young age, I think a boy that has come from the future is pretty special. This would explain why Widmore stated that the island is his. This would also explain why Desmond needed to be on the island (as explained to him by Mrs. Hawkings. If he never would have gone to the island the series of events would never happen Charlie may never have been born or called Charlie for that matter and it would have made a rift in the space time continuum.
I would like to give an example from the Golden Globe nominated episode of Futurama “”Roswell that ends well.” The planet express crew goes back in time and Fry ends up killing the man he thinks is his grandfather, he then proceeds to get busy with his grandmother thinking that must not be her. At the end of the episode we find that Fry is now his own grandfather because he did the “Nasty in the Pasty.” There’s also an episode of Futurama “Anthology of Interest” where Fry does not end up being frozen and the entire universe is destroyed. Who’s to say that the same does not apply to Lost? Just look back to all Desmond episodes and the way will be revealed.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

[xxGoneforeverxx]

[QUOTE=Dave-0;2850744]A friend of mine brought up a good point after watching last nights episode. I guess this can be considered another "theory" but it pretty much spawned from the information given in last

[DarkRockGirl990]

Awwww I loved that named the kid Charlie! :w00t: :( *sigh*
And as much as I would love to say its so, that's not our Charlie

Well...not exactly spoiler, but still maybe more than some people want t know so: As far as the kids all playing together at some later date...well go read around Dark UFO

[Arkatia9]

Why go through the whole scene of giving birth and looking for the doctor? Is there any importance to that or just a shout out to the fact that you can't give birth on the island?

I think it was just for the audience's benefit. I don't think the writers wanted us to question whether or not that was really Desmond and Penny's son.

[5littlemunchkins]

I don't think it is Charlie Pace or Charles Widmore! (again, Penny's son is her dad??) I think they just did a very beautiful thing in naming him after Charlie! Very heartwarming! I miss Charlie so...

[YodatheHobbit]

Maybe she was talking about him going back in this season's timeline?

No she wasn't. We already know this.

Why go through the whole scene of giving birth and looking for the doctor? Is there any importance to that or just a shout out to the fact that you can't give birth on the island?
Define importance?
A baby's birth is important. It's something important in Des and Penny's lives and it's a wonderful character moment. Seeing Desmond and Penny happy with a baby just makes you feel good. It's part of the story.

[108_Minutes]

This was one of my favorite parts of the episode. How very appropriate Des & Penny named their child after Charlie. :cool:

[L0STinNorth]

Yeah, it was so so cute. Little Charlie! That theory above there is pretty interesting, I must say, but I'd rather think it's Desmond's boy Charlie, not Widmore!

[rionfitch]

it's possible Desmond named his son after Charlie Pace, but that doesn't prove that the child doesn't grow up to be Charlie Pace. Think of it, Desmond is definitely going back to the Island. Penny will either die because the actress has other engagements or because Ben will kill her for the plot. Either way it leaves little Charlie Hume parent-less or orphaned, and if a Butcher named Pace just so happened to adopt him?..... it is within the realm of possibility.

[YodatheHobbit]

it's possible Desmond named his son after Charlie Pace, but that doesn't prove that the child doesn't grow up to be Charlie Pace. Think of it, Desmond is definitely going back to the Island. Penny will either die because the actress has other engagements or because Ben will kill her for the plot. Either way it leaves little Charlie Hume parent-less or orphaned, and if a Butcher named Pace just so happened to adopt him?..... it is within the realm of possibility.
But that's a paradox. The writers have said the rules of time travel on LOST aren't going to have paradoxes. Also we have absolutely no evidence to believe little Charlie grows into Charlie Pace.

[JNorky]

I can really imagine a future conversation between Charles Widmore and either Desmond or Penny or both of them, where he finds out about Charlie being born and says something along the lines of "You actually named him after me?", to which one of them replies "No, he's named after a very brave man that you killed".

Widmore didn't kill Charlie. It was Mikhail who killed Charlie by putting a bomb on the window in an attempt to flood the underwater station. That Russian guy must have nine lives - wonder when Mikhail will show up again?

[JPW]

I was starting to work out this crazy theory that maybe this Charlie became Charles widmore. He chose to keep widmore as he got older because he was closer to his mother. Then he found someone they had a dughter and called it Penny.

And the way he ended up in the 50's. Was that Penny, Desmond and Charlie came there when time was spinning. Something happened to Penny and Desmond Charlie was left all alone and raised by the others.
lol.

How crazy would that be?

Anyway I'm starting to think he is named after Charlie Pace and it's a nice fun connection.

[Ms.C.H.A.R.L.I.E]

Charlie being my favorite character, (i miss him so much! lol:() I flipped out when i heard Desmond say his son`s name was Charlie. I was touched.:w00t:

[barefootpoetry]

:rotflol:
Spin-off series, right there! :giggle:


Naming him "Charlie" was completely touching: that's the kind of thing that makes me love this show more and more!

YES to both! There will definitely be some great fanfic at the least if they don't do a kiddie Lost. And I got the best warm fuzzy feeling when he said Charlie. :love:

A friend of mine brought up a good point after watching last nights episode. I guess this can be considered another "theory" but it pretty much spawned from the information given in last nights episode...

Desmond and Penny’s child “Charlie” is Charles Widmore.

Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes.

Let’s go back to season one and focus on Adam & Eve, these corpses were found with a black stone and a white stone by them. Now we go to Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes” in this episode we see a black stone and a white stone on the table where Desmond and Penny live.
What if Desmond and Penny return to the Island and are stuck in a Time Loop they inadvertently die in the past and their child “Charlie” is raised on the island by Richard Alpert and his people. Charlie is seen as special when he is on the island so for a short time he is the leader of the others. Richard did say the selection is made at a very young age, I think a boy that has come from the future is pretty special. This would explain why Widmore stated that the island is his. This would also explain why Desmond needed to be on the island (as explained to him by Mrs. Hawkings. If he never would have gone to the island the series of events would never happen Charlie may never have been born or called Charlie for that matter and it would have made a rift in the space time continuum.
I would like to give an example from the Golden Globe nominated episode of Futurama “”Roswell that ends well.” The planet express crew goes back in time and Fry ends up killing the man he thinks is his grandfather, he then proceeds to get busy with his grandmother thinking that must not be her. At the end of the episode we find that Fry is now his own grandfather because he did the “Nasty in the Pasty.” There’s also an episode of Futurama “Anthology of Interest” where Fry does not end up being frozen and the entire universe is destroyed. Who’s to say that the same does not apply to Lost? Just look back to all Desmond episodes and the way will be revealed.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

:boom:

That's my brain.

[Now&Forever]

I loved that Desmond & Penny's son was named Charlie & as far as I'm concerned its for your beloved hero Charlie Pace.:):(

[eski_815]

I was starting to work out this crazy theory that maybe this Charlie became Charles widmore. He chose to keep widmore as he got older because he was closer to his mother. Then he found someone they had a dughter and called it Penny.

And the way he ended up in the 50's. Was that Penny, Desmond and Charlie came there when time was spinning. Something happened to Penny and Desmond Charlie was left all alone and raised by the others.
lol.

How crazy would that be?

Anyway I'm starting to think he is named after Charlie Pace and it's a nice fun connection.

maybe that's why Widmore hates Desmond that much?

[roland54]

It appears to me that Desmond (and therefore Penny and Young Charlie) will be “Going Back” to the Island - where Young Charlie will eventually become a Musician and will end up programming the LG jammer.

[Toad]

It appears to me that Desmond (and therefore Penny and Young Charlie) will be “Going Back” to the Island - where Young Charlie will eventually become a Musician and will end up programming the LG jammer.

I love everyone's right to theorize as much as the next guy, but I REALLY hope some of these theories never even come into the writers' wildest imaginations.

[hellohugo]

A friend of mine brought up a good point after watching last nights episode. I guess this can be considered another "theory" but it pretty much spawned from the information given in last nights episode...

Desmond and Penny’s child “Charlie” is Charles Widmore.

Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes.

Let’s go back to season one and focus on Adam & Eve, these corpses were found with a black stone and a white stone by them. Now we go to Season 3 Episode 8 “Flashes before your eyes” in this episode we see a black stone and a white stone on the table where Desmond and Penny live.
What if Desmond and Penny return to the Island and are stuck in a Time Loop they inadvertently die in the past and their child “Charlie” is raised on the island by Richard Alpert and his people. Charlie is seen as special when he is on the island so for a short time he is the leader of the others. Richard did say the selection is made at a very young age, I think a boy that has come from the future is pretty special. This would explain why Widmore stated that the island is his. This would also explain why Desmond needed to be on the island (as explained to him by Mrs. Hawkings. If he never would have gone to the island the series of events would never happen Charlie may never have been born or called Charlie for that matter and it would have made a rift in the space time continuum.
I would like to give an example from the Golden Globe nominated episode of Futurama “”Roswell that ends well.” The planet express crew goes back in time and Fry ends up killing the man he thinks is his grandfather, he then proceeds to get busy with his grandmother thinking that must not be her. At the end of the episode we find that Fry is now his own grandfather because he did the “Nasty in the Pasty.” There’s also an episode of Futurama “Anthology of Interest” where Fry does not end up being frozen and the entire universe is destroyed. Who’s to say that the same does not apply to Lost? Just look back to all Desmond episodes and the way will be revealed.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry but i think you've failed to contemplate one main thing: How could Charles Whidmore be both Pennys Son AND her Father:blank:

So with that factor alone, Im going to say the Charles Whidmore=Charlie Hume theory won't happen as I don't think the writers would add such a weird sickening element to the story imho.

[Andyman720]

I believe that the Charlie is just a rememberance of the Savior of the Island. The one who sacrificed himself to save everyone else. Desmond and Charlie had a connection so I think it's very very very very very clear that he named his son after Charlie Pace.

Whoever thinks Des and Pen named their son after Charles Widmore needs to rewatch LOST. Come on...

As far as Charlie Hume becoming Charles Widmore...wow, never really thought of that but that is a very interesting theory. We know that Des, Pen, and Charlie are going to go back to the island. They have to. So we will see who Adam and Eve really are, it's funny how we assume it's got to be Jack and Kate when we first see it, but we find out two other people who we love together so much more.

[hellohugo]

I believe that the Charlie is just a rememberance of the Savior of the Island. The one who sacrificed himself to save everyone else. Desmond and Charlie had a connection so I think it's very very very very very clear that he named his son after Charlie Pace.

Whoever thinks Des and Pen named their son after Charles Widmore needs to rewatch LOST. Come on...

As far as Charlie Hume becoming Charles Widmore...wow, never really thought of that but that is a very interesting theory. We know that Des, Pen, and Charlie are going to go back to the island. They have to. So we will see who Adam and Eve really are, it's funny how we assume it's got to be Jack and Kate when we first see it, but we find out two other people who we love together so much more.
what aren't people getting?? be logical here for once, do you really think Pennys father could possibly be her son as well?? just try to think about that for a moment, it makes absolutely NO SENSE, and i have faith that the writers would not throw such a silly aspect into the show. Names have been used multiple times in the show before and have met nothing. For example Hurleys Dad named Dave, Libbys husband David, and Hurleys Imaginary Friend Dave. Wouldnt be surprised if theres a nut out there theorizing they are all the same too. Still wont make it true though. Sometimes people just OVER ANALYZE this show way too much, its one thing to have an out there theory but atleast think about it before you spout it off.

Charlie Hume was named after Charlie Pace and is NOTTTTT Charles Whidmore. Pennys Son is not also Pennys own Father!!!!!!!

[ilsa lund]

TVGuide.com's Top Moments of the Week

7. Nicest Gesture: It's awfully sweet of Lost's Desmond to name his son after his old friend, Driveshaft rocker Charlie Pace, but isn't it a bad omen to name him after a doomed man who ultimately drowned? Oh, and we're loving the super-out-there theory that baby Charlie grows up to be Charles Widmore. In the context of Lost, it's just ridiculous enough to be... totally feasible. Except that it would make Widmore his own grandfather. So maybe little Charlie Hume grows up to be Charlie Pace? This season's time-travel wrinkle makes it all possible. (Watch the episode on our Online Video Guide and gives us your own theory.)

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Idol-24-Lost-1002284.aspx

[nea15]

TVGuide.com's Top Moments of the Week

7. Nicest Gesture: It's awfully sweet of Lost's Desmond to name his son after his old friend, Driveshaft rocker Charlie Pace, but isn't it a bad omen to name him after a doomed man who ultimately drowned? Oh, and we're loving the super-out-there theory that baby Charlie grows up to be Charles Widmore. In the context of Lost, it's just ridiculous enough to be... totally feasible. Except that it would make Widmore his own grandfather. So maybe little Charlie Hume grows up to be Charlie Pace? This season's time-travel wrinkle makes it all possible. (Watch the episode on our Online Video Guide and gives us your own theory.)

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Idol-24-Lost-1002284.aspx

Why can't we all just accept that he simply named his kids after Charlie as a remembrance. Why does stuff like this have to turn into ridiculous theories?

[littleboylost]

Why can't we all just accept that he simply named his kids after Charlie as a remembrance. Why does stuff like this have to turn into ridiculous theories?

OH Neal, I could not agree more. Little Charlie is just that, a little boy named after the man who sacrificed his life to get the rest off the island.:)

[Barcs]

There's no possible way that Charlie is Charles Widmore. No chance. Penny's son is also her father? No. If this were the case, then how would they even exist?? Somebody would have to give birth to one of them first.. and it's not a chicken or the egg thing either. Their entire existence is a paradox. It makes absolutely no sense. Obviously the kid was named after Charlie. I doubt he becomes Charlie Pace, but you never know I guess. At least that one's somewhat plausible. I doubt Charlie would have forgotten living on the island as a kid though and completely forget his parents and somehow end up with another family in England.

Why go through the whole scene of giving birth and looking for the doctor? Is there any importance to that or just a shout out to the fact that you can't give birth on the island?

I think this scene is simply to show that Desmund and Penny have been living on the water, in hiding, so they can't just go to a public doctor. They have to go somewhere out of the way. At first I thought that doctor was Jin's dad when I saw him.

[violetpineapple]

For some reason I always thought those bodies on the island, Adam and Eve, turn out to be Desmond and Penny. Maybe it all comes back around.

I thought the same thing, or one of the other main couples like Jack and Kate... but Penny and Desmond would be nice

[luau]

I thought the same thing, or one of the other main couples like Jack and Kate... but Penny and Desmond would be nice

I just re-watched Ep 4 of Season 1, when they're debating moving to the caves where they found Adam and Eve... and Kate says, "I don't want to be Eve."

You know how they love foreshadowing.

[shred]

Let's stay on topic: Desmond, Penny, Charlie.

[Ewiess]

It was really nice of them naming their son Charlie. :)

I enjoyed their scenes in this eppy of course. I hope they remain happy till the end on the show. :D

[MissMillsonxx]

wow people are looking way to deep into this. He is named charlie because charlie pace sacrificed his life for everyone to get off the island this is just desmond paying tribute to what charlie did. It's not some messed up timeline thing. And if by some messed up reason it is really charlie....then i've lost respect for lost. That is just WAY WAY WAY over the top.:rolleyes:

[abblette]

Just watched it and Im so glad they called him charlie, its so sweet
It makes sense as well cos desmond saw visions of him dying and charlie did give his life and penny saw him on the screen, so sweet :) :p

[hellohugo]

wow people are looking way to deep into this. He is named charlie because charlie pace sacrificed his life for everyone to get off the island this is just desmond paying tribute to what charlie did. It's not some messed up timeline thing. And if by some messed up reason it is really charlie....then i've lost respect for lost. That is just WAY WAY WAY over the top.:rolleyes:

yea. how could someone really entertain a theory where Charles Whidmore would not only be his own grandfather, but both Pennys Son AND Father. LOST is great and its fun to come up with theories, but some times people can just be completely thoughtless when it comes to something like this. there is no way in heck Charlie Hume=Charles Whidmore.

[YodatheHobbit]

Another reason they may have named their son Charlie is not just because he was a great hero, that Desmond can attest to, but also because as Penny says herself over the phone talking to Des on the freighter, "then when I spoke to you're friend Charlie, that's when I knew you were still alive, that's when I knew I wasn't crazy."

I bet she's eternally grateful for Charlie's call from The Looking Glass station. It gave her vindication. Her first news that Desmond was alright.

[abblette]

Another reason they may have named their son Charlie is not just because he was a great hero, that Desmond can attest to, but also because as Penny says herself over the phone talking to Des on the freighter, "then when I spoke to you're friend Charlie, that's when I knew you were still alive, that's when I knew I wasn't crazy."

I bet she's eternally grateful for Charlie's call from The Looking Glass station. It gave her vindication. Her first news that Desmond was alright.

Exactly, they both have some connection to charlie so it fits perfectly :D

[Koo]

I think to suggest that Charlie is actually Charlie Pace is too over the top. I actually thought they named him after Widmore, until I read this thread! Naming him after Charlie Pace makes more sense. I miss Charlie ...

I also agreed with someone said why was it integral to show the birth of this child? A lot of time was spent on this. I don't believe it is just to enhance our view of Desmond and Penny's relationship. This little Charlie is going to have an important part to play. He'll end up being "special".

I really miss Charlie Pace!

[LadyLemondrop]

While the theory of Charlie Hume being the same person as Charles Widmore is interesting, there is a very large problem with it. In the "present", which would be 2008 I think, BOTH Charlie and Charles exist. How can there be two of the same person at the same time?

I do, however, think that Des and Penny may be Adam and Eve. Does anyone remember how old Jack said the corpses of Adam and Eve were?

[GivenToFly23]

While the theory of Charlie Hume being the same person as Charles Widmore is interesting, there is a very large problem with it. In the "present", which would be 2008 I think, BOTH Charlie and Charles exist. How can there be two of the same person at the same time?

I do, however, think that Des and Penny may be Adam and Eve. Does anyone remember how old Jack said the corpses of Adam and Eve were?

I'm 99.9% sure that Jack said something along the lines of "60 years." I can not wait to find out who "Adam and Eve" was.

And on the topic of this thread: there is NO WAY that Desmond and Penny's son is either Charles Widmore, or Charlie. I just don't believe it. No way. It's just too over the top.

[Cupboard]

Is there any evidence to suggest Desmond and Penny are the 'Adam and Eve'?
Jack said it takes 40-50 years for the clothes to degrade, maybe its 2 of the others. Also remember the 1 little black stone and the 1 little white stone that was in the bag in one of the pockets of the bodies.

If there is any evidence that its Des and Penny, please tell me, cause id like to think they get a better end than in a cave, like living their life off the island, happily ever after :D

[shred]

There is a thread in Theories for speculation about Adam and Eve. This thread is about Des/Penny/Charlie in this episode. Please stay on topic.

[barefootpoetry]

While the theory of Charlie Hume being the same person as Charles Widmore is interesting, there is a very large problem with it. In the "present", which would be 2008 I think, BOTH Charlie and Charles exist. How can there be two of the same person at the same time?

There you have it.

[misocrunchy]

I know it's Lost, but I really think this kid is just a namesake! It's cute.
I agree, and I thought it was really cute, too.

[Ribbsie]

No she wasn't. We already know this.


Define importance?
A baby's birth is important. It's something important in Des and Penny's lives and it's a wonderful character moment. Seeing Desmond and Penny happy with a baby just makes you feel good. It's part of the story.


What's more important and no one has brought it up, is that the Doc immediately gets the Forceps for delivery.
Was Charlie a Forceps delivery? Sure looked like it, or why show them?
Does this have any significant meaning?
I guess we wait and see :)

[sched]

Daniel said to Des last episode that he was the only one who could save the people on the island and that he must find his mother in oxford. If Mrs Hawkings is Faraday's mum, then Ben is already in contact with her and so there is surely nothing that Des needs to do? Conclusion - Hawkings is not Faraday's mum, in which case what is Des going to do to save the lefties that's so special only he can do it??

[daisyrock]

I just watched Jughead this week in Australia and my first thought when they revealed the babies name was that the baby was Charlie not just named in hononour of Charlie.

So I've been searching the forums a little bit today trying to find out what others are thinking and this thread obviously caught my attention. ;)

Then I was just watching Season 3's episode Catch 22 and there was something that really jumped out at me.

When Charlie is having a go at Des for being willing to sacrifice him Desmond interestingly compares it to God testing him like he tested Abraham and it was a test he failed.

So what did God ask Abraham to do ?

Sacrifice his son.

Hmmm. Why that 'test of sacrifice' Des ? ( or should I say Writers ) ?

For what it's worth I go on record now stating that Charlie Pace is Des and Penny's son. :w00t:

[weirdtop]

i'm leaning towards the Charlie hume = Charles Widmore.
why in season 4 when Ben sees Widmore in his hotel room does he say
"We both know I can't kill you, so I'm going to kill your daughter"
Ben says this because he knows that he will be "indirectly" killing Widmore if Penny dies??!