Twilight General Thread [No J/B vs. E/B debates]

[Eternal_Darkness]

In light of the recent heated discussion in the past Twilight threads, nightskiesfading said it would be all right to create a general thread.
If there's any more argument or OT in any of the separate threads, then it will be handled accordingly.

I wave my La Push white flag.

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I found a quote on LiveJournal that I thought was interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else agreed with it. I posted it in the Jacob/Bella thread, but part of it applies to the series as a whole [so you may ignore the last part, if you so choose].

Books like Twilight are, to women, what porn is to men. Lame, rather basic, a little shameful and difficult to completely resist. It's all about cheap and quick emotional button-pushing and Jacob/Bella is the one area where the author starts to shoot for something a little more interesting than that.

[BluishBlack]

TWILIGHT THREADS ARE OVERTAKING THE WORLD FORUM!

I definitely agree with it.

As I was saying in the other thread, one of the things that drives me crazy about this series is that SMeyer creates this world that has so much potential, but does she use it? Really, really not. Let's face it there's barely any plot in the books. Granted Eclipse has more than the other two, but all the books are dominated by romance, Bella's thoughts and nothing much actually happening. As it stands, the series is well over 1,000 pages long and you could probably summarise it in a few sentences.

Ideas separate from the romance, that are really interesting are barely touched upon. Things are often unexplained (eg. Bella hearing Edward's voice. Wtf was that about? The girl had clearly lost it and needed medication.). Characters are rarely developed properly (In three books Bella has come from whiny and needy to...oh wait, she's still those things).

It's just so frustrating, because these books could be so amazing. And they aren't. I was also saying in the other thread that I think the films will be better than the books (which is a rare thing with adaptations.), given that they will make the so called 'plot' (i.e. the 5 minutes of action at the end) in the books more dominant in the films, the cast is pretty damn awesome and we don't have to hear the fail that is Bella's thoughts.

And I'm going to stop here for now or I'll go on forever :p

[Angelinah]

So BluishBlack do I understand you right? You just read books which are actionfilled or where something "needs to happen"? And what do you mean by that nothing actually happens?:blank:

[Eternal_Darkness]

So BluishBlack do I understand you right? You just read books which are actionfilled or where something "needs to happen"? And what do you mean by that nothing actually happens?:blank:

I think she means that it's mostly Bella's thoughts, which tend to get tedious after awhile. [understatement] No real action happens until later on, because there isn't much plot until later on. Twilight is quite literally [and don't take me to be bashing Edward/Bella here] mostly just Edward and Bella looking at each other and saying, "I'm not good enough for you."

[Angelinah]

I think she means that it's mostly Bella's thoughts, which tend to get tedious after awhile. [understatement] No real action happens until later on, because there isn't much plot until later on. Twilight is quite literally [and don't take me to be bashing Edward/Bella here] mostly just Edward and Bella looking at each other and saying, "I'm not good enough for you."


So then I´m right that she needs an actionfilled book. I just wanted to know that , because even though she is bored and annoyed it doesn´t mean that the books or book when we look at Twilight is bad. Believe me there are a lots of great books of our time were plotwise you have nothing to talk about :p

[BluishBlack]

Yes Amanda thank you, that is what I meant. I have read 100 page books with more plot. I don't see how anyone can claim that LOADS happens in this series, because it just doesn't. If you want to disagree, feel free. Give me examples.

And the point of my post was that I was lamenting SMeyer's poor writing, and her not taking the series to its full potential.

I have read plenty of books that are not faced-paced and action packed, but about characters and their interactions with each other. The difference is, the other characters are developed and many events take place within the story. It is not 500+ pages of whine.

No I wasn't saying I necessarily needed an action filled book, though given that this series has strong fantasy elements it would benefit from that.

[Angelinah]

Yes Amanda thank you, that is what I meant. I have read 100 page books with more plot. I don't see how anyone can claim that LOADS happens in this series, because it just doesn't. If you want to disagree, feel free. Give me examples.

And the point of my post was that I was lamenting SMeyer's poor writing, and her not taking the series to its full potential.

I have read plenty of books that are not faced-paced and action packed, but about characters and their interactions with each other. The difference is, the other characters are developed and many events take place within the story. It is not 500+ pages of whine.

No I wasn't saying I necessarily needed an action filled book, though given that this series has strong fantasy elements it would benefit from that.




I´m not saying that plotwise a lot happens if again we look at this from the typical point of view which means that we want a story something which has a beginning, a plot which usually is filled with "something happing" and a ending which as well gives us a "solution". So there you are right but the Twilight saga never claimed to be that book even though it has fantasy elements. It was always a book about a young girl falling in love for the first and the emotions she encounters or she has to deal with and the development she goes through. And here I think we will disagree because I do feel that there is a character development for each main character.
Yes Bella is whiny but she developed aswell. For example at the end of Twilight she didn´t give a second thought to becoming a vampire, she wanted it "now" and then she started to see things differently in New Moon, Eclipse (with the newborns, with Jacob..). Though at the end of Eclipse she kind of still wants to become a vampire but she doesn´t seem to be so sure about that anymore like she was in Twilight

[Eternal_Darkness]

So BluishBlack do I understand you right? You just read books which are actionfilled or where something "needs to happen"? And what do you mean by that nothing actually happens?:blank:
I don't really believe that's what she meant. No, something doesn't necessarily "need to happen;" however, a good book should have character development and/or at least some thread of plot that should be in more than the last few chapters.

So then I´m right that she needs an actionfilled book. I just wanted to know that , because even though she is bored and annoyed it doesn´t mean that the books or book when we look at Twilight is bad. Believe me there are a lots of great books of our time were plotwise you have nothing to talk about :p
No, you aren't right in thinking she needs an action filled book. I agree with her -- Edward and Bella don't do very much except talk about their feelings. That's fine and all, except it doesn't move them anywhere. They aren't growing from anything. It's just pointless dialogue, with a running commentary of Bella's thoughts. Many, many fans [regardless of what team they are on] agree in the fact that SMeyer is a poor writer.

Yes Amanda thank you, that is what I meant. I have read 100 page books with more plot. I don't see how anyone can claim that LOADS happens in this series, because it just doesn't. If you want to disagree, feel free. Give me examples.

And the point of my post was that I was lamenting SMeyer's poor writing, and her not taking the series to its full potential.

I have read plenty of books that are not faced-paced and action packed, but about characters and their interactions with each other. The difference is, the other characters are developed and many events take place within the story. It is not 500+ pages of whine.

No I wasn't saying I necessarily needed an action filled book, though given that this series has strong fantasy elements it would benefit from that.

I´m not saying that plotwise a lot happens if again we look at this from the typical point of view which means that we want a story something which has a beginning, a plot which usually is filled with "something happing" and a ending which as well gives us a "solution". So there you are right but the Twilight saga never claimed to be that book even though it has fantasy elements. It was always a book about a young girl falling in love for the first and the emotions she encounters or she has to deal with and the development she goes through. And here I think we will disagree because I do feel that there is a character development for each main character.
Yes Bella is whiny but she developed aswell. For example at the end of Twilight she didn´t give a second thought to becoming a vampire, she wanted it "now" and then she started to see things differently in New Moon, Eclipse (with the newborns, with Jacob..). Though at the end of Eclipse she kind of still wants to become a vampire but she doesn´t seem to be so sure about that anymore like she was in Twilight

What character development do you see? There is a little bit with Edward, I will give you that. He goes from finding a million different ways of get Bella out of class so he can eat her to resisting all temptation so that he can date her. In the first book, Bella doesn't really grow that much for me, nor Charlie, Alice, or any of the other characters. [Even Rosalie doesn't grow much, not until the third book where you see her past] The only character that truly grows to me is Jacob [this isn't just because I'm on Team Werewolf either, so hear me out]. He grows from this boy so ready to get Bella's attention that he'll tell all his tribe's stories, finding more and more to keep her listening to him; he grows from that to a young man who fights for her life, wishing her to be happy, wanting her to know what is healthiest for her, and saving her from herself.

I think that you're just kind of missing Megan's point. With the books that SMeyer has already written, she could have used so many of those pages to advance the story and make it richer, fuller, and more colorful. I believe Megan was saying that the potential of this series is not being used, what with the very little plot that exists happening in only the last few chapters. The story could be so much more epic [worthy of the term saga] if she would tap into that potential, instead of just writing Bella's thoughts all the time [or wasting pages with the names of months].

However, on the topic of character development: I will say that in New Moon, Bella had a good bit more character development [even though what she grows into is lost completely as soon as the Cullens return]. The series as a whole has a bit of character development. But, it's just kind of a waste to not develop the character more in each book, instead of over the whole series [though, development over the whole series is still to be expected].

Anyway, the main thing that Megan was trying to talk about was that she doesn't think the series is being used to its full potential. Does anyone else have an opinion on that, and not Megan's choice of books?

[BluishBlack]

Amanda Ily.

ITA naturally, but yes this all went on a bit of a tangent from the issue I was trying to discuss. Clearly my choice of books fails as I read this rubbish :p

I'm going to bring today today's quote over as an alternate discussion topic as well.

"Sam: “This is not something our treaty anticipated. This is a danger to every human in the area.”

Anyone got any thoughts on this? My initial reaction was :'OMG FINALLY A PACK QUOTE' :p But I am thinking Volturi? It can't be Bella changing because they've already anticipated that. Maria is another theory I've heard.

[Eternal_Darkness]

Amanda Ily.

ITA naturally, but yes this all went on a bit of a tangent from the issue I was trying to discuss. Clearly my choice of books fails as I read this rubbish :p

I'm going to bring today today's quote over as an alternate discussion topic as well.

"Sam: “This is not something our treaty anticipated. This is a danger to every human in the area.”

Anyone got any thoughts on this? My initial reaction was :'OMG FINALLY A PACK QUOTE' :p But I am thinking Volturi? It can't be Bella changing because they've already anticipated that. Maria is another theory I've heard.

♥

The Volturi could definitely be a possibility. The first part of the sentence would make sense for a reaction to the new vampire army. However, it sounds like something else is coming... I don't remember much about Maria, it's been awhile since I read Eclipse. But, it might make sense. I want to learn more about the other vampire's pasts. I love figuring more out.

[jate4eva&eva]

I posted this in the E/B thread but I thought some ppl here might want to read too, this theory/idea has been thrown around a bit all over fandom:

Does anyone here think that Bella might somehow get pregnant with Ed's baby after they do the deed on honeymoon?
I was just thinking because SMeyer is mormon, and she wrote it so E/B were married before they had sex so it conformed to her ideals. And mormon ideals also say that you can't have sex unless its to produce a baby.

I know that Edward only has venom so it can't technically happen due to her existing vampire mythology, but she created the mythology so maybe she can write some kind of "loop hole" per se where Bella is able to get pregnant.

I was just wondering is all.

[BluishBlack]

Well her and Edward having sex while she's still human without him killing her is ridiculous, so why not go the whole way and have them reproduce while she's at it? *headdesk*

[francheska28]

Vampires dont have working systems. Her pregnant is just silly. The way SMeyer has written the books just dont support that.

If she does it would give me a reason to just bang my head against a wall repeatedly.

[BluishBlack]

The way SMeyer has written the books just dont support that.

OR HUMAN!BELLA AND EDWARD BEING ABLE TO HAVE SEX.

If she makes Bella get preggers, I would hope that everyone would bang their head against a wall. Because just... WUT?! The sex issue is ludicrous enough ty.

[francheska28]

I dont know why Bella doesnt get it. He wants to eat you. You are like a 16 oz Argentinian steak, girl. Well, at least to him.:giggle: Stop trying to get eaten. You want sex? Get some when you are turned. :cool: It might be more comfortable, and less cold. Or get some somewhere else. :rolleyes:

The idea of Bella being impregnated by Eddy is just not possible. He is dead. Venom flows through him. Nothing more.

[Prince_Rajani]

QUOTE OF THE DAY! (Possibly my favorite so far, becuase this guy is jsut pure AMAZING)

Jasper: I can't understand. I can't bear this.

[jate4eva&eva]

My friend has just gotten hold of a copy of Breaking Dawn. A bookstore was selling early by mistake...and has typed the epilogue out for me. However, I haven't read it cos I don't wanna be spoiled. So I'm going to copy and paste it without looking.

DON'T READ UNLESS YOU WANNA BE SPOILED about the whole of breaking dawn!!!





well, the epilogue is called "HAPPILY EVER AFTER" and starts on page 742

it appears that everyone is at the cullen house, with a bunch of foreign vampires like an amazonian tribe and an irish coven oh and the denalis, chattin bout how they BEAT UP THE VOLTURI! carlisle is talkin bout how he's prepared to fight them again should they ever try, bc they went to far and blah blah blah... jacob is there, obviously still alive, and they talk about how the wolves were the biggest reason the volturi backed down

also, jacob brings up the fact that there are TRUE werewolves out there, with the full moon and everything, but idk wtf significance that was

in the epic battle i'm assuming was before, tanya lost a sister.

bella has obviously become a vampire BUT NOT BEFORE SHE GAVE BIRTH TO A CHILD... EDWARDS CHILD WHO IS HALF VAMPIRE AND NAMED NESSI AND APPARENTLY VERY CUTE. nessi will have a relatively normal childhood for like 6 1/2 years or something. bella said something like "she can be normal and happy for the next 61/2 years"

bella's special power that really saved their asses was she has like a love shield (omg lily potter wut) and alice, jasper, esme, and carlisle and edward are all just fine. emmett is too but there is no mention of rosalie.

JACOB IMPRINTED ON BELLA'S DAUGHTER LOLZ WHO IS HALF VAMPIRE BUT JACOB DOESN'T CARE

oh, sue and charlie are now an item. idk idk i love that

bella drones on about how she and edward will be together forever and ever and ever in their cottage somewhere in the woods around the cullens house

bella reminisces about how edward married her under a haven of flowers or something while she tries to control her shield powers

edward and bella are makin out after puttin their kid to bed. my sister becomes srsly embarassed bc i made her read it out loud

and the last sentence is something like "and we have forever"

THERE YOU GO

[Hatsumomo]

DAMN SPOILERS :giggle: I looked by accident. :no:

*tries to forget*

[soyblakia]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!

PS: Thanks Kate:)

[Eternal_Darkness]

Am I being too technical if I ask for reactions to whatever that is to be posted in spoiler tags? :eh:

Back to the discussion on getting pregnant:
Seriously. What the heck? I don't even see how sex is possible in the first place. Is he going to get an erection from his venom?

[jate4eva&eva]

OK, I bailed and read it. So much for my self control :sigh:

Am I being too technical if I ask for reactions to whatever that is to be posted in spoiler tags? :eh:


ITA.

EVERYONE WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE EPILOGUE, PUT IT IN SPOILER TAGS

AND PLEASE DON'T COPY AND PASTE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE. MY FRIEND SAID THAT THIS IS STRICTLY BETWEEN ME AND HER.

[soyblakia]

Sorry people, spoiler tugs are on now.

Kate,pm me if you read it. I'm dying to talk to someone about it:bounce:

[lykeomgzlol25]

I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers. I'm not going to read spoilers.

Also, can we keep the smiley face out of reactions too? Spoiler tags don't hide those :blank:

[jate4eva&eva]

My thoughts/predictions:

- The name Nessie is fail.
- I bet that Rosalie dies protecting Bella.
- I bet that the reason E/B can have a baby is that cos its human/vampire sex which has never been done before. Its always been vampire/vampire.
- LOL at Jake imprinting on Nessi. So when they marry, Bella will be his mother-in-law that he used to be in love with? That is so f**cked up.
- Maybe Edward's sperm works because it was frozen inside him, like sperm is frozen in a bank, and then when it *cough* went inside something warm, they were unfrozen and can swimmy about. That is the kind of un-scientific thing that SM will come up with.

[soyblakia]

Oh allright, smilies are off too.

Spoilers! Don't read!

Kate, you were right about the pregnancy after all, kudos for thinking it! (I would give you a smilie now but spoiler tugs don't hide them so...Nice thinking!)
And how fucked up is the whole Jacob imprinting on Bella's daughter? I mean, he's gonna have Edward as his father in law for fuck's sake! And what about the baby? Half vampire, half human, imprinted by a werewolf...when will the elves come? Or Santa? *rollseyes* I'm not disappointed only because Bella ended up with Edward after all but i think Meyer could have done better than this...Unless it only sounds so ridiculous because we don't know what happened in the rest of the book...

[Eternal_Darkness]

I will not read. I will not read. I will not read.

I WILL NOT READ. -calls library-

Mmkay, I have it reserved under my name. Whenever the book arrives at the library, they'll call me. YAY. For once, it helps living in a small town. :giggle:

[Hatsumomo]

:panic: MUST. HAVE. SELF. CONTROL. :panic:

MUST. NOT. READ. SPOILERS. :crazy: :flail:

[lykeomgzlol25]

:panic: MUST. HAVE. SELF. CONTROL. :panic:

MUST. NOT. READ. SPOILERS. :crazy: :flail:

The only reason I'm not reading them is because I know how awesome it feels. I was so proud of myself after Deathly Hallows and the only spoiler I'd read was Hedwig (and it was just cause a stupid spammer didn't warn about spoilers in the post - stupid LJ)

WILL. NOT. READ.

WORTH. IT. IN. THE. END.

:nod: :computer: :worry: :help: :flail:

[Eternal_Darkness]

I've got a concert to go to the Thursday after the book comes out. I'm missing the second day of school to see it, so I know what I'll be doing all that day. :giggle:

Kara, it gets easier to ignore over time... And, now I'm trying to remember what you're referring to with the Deathly Hallows because I can't seem to remember. :eh: [...it's been awhile]

[Monkee]

I will not read...I will not read...I will not...

Actually, I accidentally read part of one, but I didn't get it...at least, I didn't think I got it...maybe I have an idea...but I WILL NOT READ ANYMORE...

:panic: :flail: :shakefist: :doh: :banghead: :faint:

Alrighty. Calm. Caaalm. I will not indulge my addiction to spoilers.

Maybe.

[Spiffing Cheese]

It just goes to show how much Twilight utterly FAAAAILS that I read those spoilers without a second thought and I don't even care that I've ruined the ending for myself. :giggle: If it's real, that is.

As for the Jacob imprinting on Bella's DAUGHTER? WHAT. THE. Smurf. Seriously, SM, you fail. At writing. At life. At EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Seriously though, they're not real, are they?

[francheska28]

ok this actually makes me laugh.:eh:

A baby? Named after the Lock Ness moster.:rolleyes:

A baby is what she would have had with Jacob. LIFE. A baby would go agaisnt the whole thing of vamps. Let me get this straight men create sperm, but women (Rosalie) just dont have working ovaries or reproductive systems? Edward after so many years being dead(call it what you want. It is still dead) and cold still has living sperm. WTF?
Jacob imprinting on Bella's daughter is just plain wrong and gross.
Half vampire. WTF. What? will she age REALLY slow? :eh:

Only an idiot would write some crap like this. Or if indeed they are true then There is no need for me to buy the book. I would even like it if I were to like Edward again. But a baby. That just makes me laugh hysterically.

If someone were to have a baby it should be ROSALIE dammit!!!!!! SMeyer herself said that Bella giving up everything (LIFE) was what made her love for Edward stronger. This is totally going agaist what their relationship stood for.

[Eternal_Darkness]

I was seriously tempted to read that when it was first posted, but then I realized that I'll probably read a huge portion of the book by next Thursday... and, I don't want to read anything beforehand. I mean, after the last book from Bella's point of view is read and over, I just can't mock it the same way.

It'll be nice to read one of these books for the first time while on Team Werewolf. I was brainwashed the first book, and Team Switzerland later on. :rolleyes: But, enough shipper talk in this thread.

Aside from the spoiler talk:
What's the one thing that you hope to get out of this book? Is there anything that you are secretly praying for? Not so secretly praying for?

I have to say that I'm really hoping that Bella grows a spine. I'm just tired of having a bad example of a woman be a role model for thousands of girls reading this series.

[francheska28]

I want Bella to stop being so dazzled. Enough is enough.

I want some Rosalie awesomeness. And a lot of the pack. I would like a balance. This is like meeting a lot of friends and just neglecting some. Since I am not Bella I want the variety. I dont want it to be Edward this, Alice that. The Cullens this, the Cullens that. ENOUGH! You have introduced many characters. WORK WITH THEM SMeyer.

[Hatsumomo]

Aside from the spoiler talk:
What's the one thing that you hope to get out of this book? Is there anything that you are secretly praying for? Not so secretly praying for?


I want a whole chapter devoted to Mike Newton. But I highly doubt I'll get that wish :giggle:

[lykeomgzlol25]

I want a whole chapter devoted to Mike Newton. But I highly doubt I'll get that wish :giggle:

:rotflol: YESS PLZ

I want Jacob to be happy. Like, really happy. He doesn't have to be with Bella (although that would be lovely), and I'd really like him to not imprint, but if he ends the series REALISTICALLY happy, I think I'll be ok.

[francheska28]

I want Jacob happy as well, but I dont want him to not suffer. Pain it's not bad. It helps you LEARN. My Jacob will just have to pull through it. And since he is made of awesome he will be ok.;)

[jate4eva&eva]

I have spoilers on the E/B sex scene if anyone wants to know, its from the same girl :)
Sorry that its all in internet speak and she paraphrases things :D

started on page 84, which is the chapter the ISLE OF ESME which is apparently a tropical beachy place where edward and bella are honeymooning. idk exactly where it is bc we wanted to get straight to the secks lol

edward and bella are on a beach. bella talks about how the water is warm, almost like bathwater, so warm that edward's touch isn't frozen. she asks him something like "isn't the moon beautiful?" while standing in the water and he sighs and said "not in comparison to you" LOLFEST WITH MY SISTER

bella drones on and on about how in that moment, she realizes that her and edward are meant for each other "fire and ice existing together" etc etc blah blah... and THEN we get to the "good" part. edward tells her "i told you we would try" and they start kissing and embracing under the moon, and the reality of their ~true love~ comes crashing on them like waves... edward's feet make ripples in the water while he and bella make out and they share a passion so intense etc etc... but not before edward stops and says "promise to stop me if it's too much" and she's all "uh huh ya do me" and then he pulls her into deeper water, his hands tracing little shapes on the small of her bare back and...

FADE TO BLACK MOTHER FUCKER! WHICH ONE OF YOU SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT!

to make it clear, bella is still in human form, unbitten if you will

so she wakes up the next morning, relishing in her utter and complete happiness while keeping her eyes closed, listening to the soft wind in the palm trees and the waves crashing on the beach. edward realizes she's awake and traces her spin ever gently with the tips of his icy fingers, but when bella finally opens her eyes she sees him staring straight up at the canopy, his jaw flexed and his eyes tense. bella's stomach rumbles, and he kind of laughs.

she asks him "wuts wrong bb?" but he doesn't say anyhting, he's just super pissed and pensive like the sullen cullen we know, and bella instantly starts internally freaking out thinking she did something wrong, until finally she's like "EDWARD WHAT IS WRONG I CAN'T HANDLE THIS SHIT" and he's like, "bella, you broke your promise. i hurt you" and in her mind she's like, 'well, ya, actually my hips feel like they've been disjoined from my body and my muscles feel like jelly but it's not that bad' and then edward tenderly lifts up her arm to display bruises appearing on her fair skin in the shape of his fingers. lol, rough sex

bella repeatedly assures him that it was never too much and then notices, for some reason, that there's hundreds of feathers everywhere... down feathers. she looks at him quizzically and is like "feathers...? why?"

to which he replies "i had to bite a few pillows last night"

bella's own internal freak out starts in which she's scared the sex wasn't good for him. edward, aware of her distractions, asks her "what's wrong? i really did hurt you didn't i? i hate not being able to read your mind" and she's like "well, i don't really know how this works but... was it, you know, good for you?"

and he smiles that crooked smile and is like "the best evar" :)

and then he confesses to having talked to carlisle, emmett and jasper about everything and what to expect bc it's the one thing he's never experienced. carlisle explained that it's more than a physical bonding, it's much more than an intimate experience and that it's pretty much all around awesome. emmett and jasper said it's the second greatest feeling in the world - second only to drinking human blood, and bella's all "well you've drank my blood before" and edwards like "ya, i'll tell you last night was pretty damn awesome"

bella is super hungry so she makes some eggs. LOL SHE MAKES EGGS smiller your clever foreshadowing... when bella gets out of bed she realizes all the feathers in her hair makes it look like she murdered a chicken lol

edward is still being the emo little shit that he is and vows to never sex her up until she's changed for fear of breaking her in half. bella is obviously not impressed by this, but time passes on the island - apparently they're their for a while but i made my sister skip the boring parts and jump to the fun stuff

sooo... skip a few paragraphs to a mildly graphic sex dream bella is having about edward, his hands roaming over her nekkid body, caressing her and sharing that intense emotional bond they did when they first did it and she wakes up next to edward, suddenly really pissed that her husband won't fuck her lol. so she starts kind of crying and kissing edward, and he is horrified that she is crying as usual and he's like "what's wrong?" and she's like "i love you, edward, i need you in more ways than you can imagine plz do me" and...

he does. so they sex again but smiller leaves out the fun details. it's all very romantic, trust me.

bella wakes up again in the morning, fucking starving again and edward laughs at her rumbling stomach - "breakfast time for the human?" bella laughs and agrees and was like "look, all the pillows survived last night"

and edwards like "i wish i could say the same for your nightgown" and points to several pieces of shredded black satin at the foot of the bed

bella frowns "i liked that one too"

and edward says "well, it looks like i'll have to buy esme a new headboard too"

and bella looks back to see that edward successfully ripped off a corner of the headboard lolololol

she gets out of bed and struggles with her equilibrium, as usual, and makes eggs. again. and realizes she's really only eaten eggs since she's been there. her and edward talk about dartmouth and what's going to happen next - what's the point in going? EDWARD asks. "you've held up your end of the bargain, and i'll hold up mine" and bella's all whooo!!! but they argue about how much TIME as usual, but i made my sister skip their stupid arguments and she assured me nothing too interesting happens there

fastforward a few pages and i'm assuming maybe another week or two? bella is talking on the phone with dr. carlisle cullen while kind of trying to hide it from edward (they're still on the island btw) and she's like "carlisle, i've been waking up feeling really sick, throwing up, and i've been crying all the time and having strange dreams... and i have these weird cravings!"

the dr. cullen side of carlisle jumps into action and he asks bella, "bella, when was your last menstrual cycle?"

bella, already prepared for this possibility tells him "16 days before the wedding"

and he's like "hmmm..."

edward with his super sonic hearing is all "WAIT WUT" but he's too petrified to talk but motions for the phone. bella gives him carlisle, and they start talking low and fast and bella can pick out

"is it possible? mmmhmmm... mhmmmhm"

bella is all freaked out. blah blah blah

edward hangs up the phone and gives bella a look of fear and - surprise? - and she's like "edward what is it!!!"

and he says "he thinks you're pregnant. we have to get home."


My thoughts:

At least SM was brave enough to do a mildly graphic scene. Though its cheese to the extreme.

[francheska28]

That's it. I will not waste my time with this caesar salad of a book. I always thought she was a complete fail, but this woman lacks a spine. She cant even give us a good E/B ending.

If anyone were to have a baby it should be Rosalie. And SMeyer fails for actually killing the E/B ship. Everything they stood for. Her leaving everything because he was her true wuv that was what they stood for. And Nessie WTF? Lock Ness Monster now. And Jacob imprinting on the girl is just a slap to the face.

And there is another spoiler of Rosalie dying. Seriously. I will not read this Smurfing crap.

I feel sorry for the girls that will fail biology because they have been fed this caesar salad.:shifty:

SM needs a biology class herself. She doesnt know when morning sickness kicks in. And she even goes against her own explanations. "They are in a Frozen state." Ok then how the heck do the spermies go and do their deal when they are in a frozen suspended state. SMeyer is def an idiot. I rest my case.

"Stephanie Meyer = Volturi

SparkleSqaud = Vampires
Jacobeans = Werewolves


WE SHALL OVERCOME. "

Suicide and teen pregnancy. WHAT AN AWESOME BOOK FOR TEENS. :D

SMeyer has ruined every character in the books for me. Most of the fandom is angry not just the Jacob fans. Is not like SMeyer cares. She is laughing her way to the bank with all their money. Even if this book has sex it is the most childish one of all. This is not young adult lit. I am completely free to hate the books. All the mocking I have done has not been in vain. Thsi book FAILS!!!!!!!! Just when I thought I couldnt think less of her.

[BluishBlack]

I caved and read the spoilers, and I don't even care.

Just...WHAT?! :blank:

I think I need to cancel mine and Morgan's book order.

ETA: OR SHRED THEM AND THEN RECYCLE. THAT WOULD BE SO FUN, OMG. I would burn them, but that's bad for the environment, SO SHREDDING IT IS. Though, I don't really want the woman to get any more money. I AM TORN.

[francheska28]

I caved and read the spoilers, and I don't even care.

Just...WHAT?! :blank:

I think I need to cancel mine and Morgan's book order.

ETA: OR SHRED THEM AND THEN RECYCLE. THAT WOULD BE SO FUN, OMG. I would burn them, but that's bad for the environment, SO SHREDDING IT IS. Though, I don't really want the woman to get any more money. I AM TORN.

I should go to the release party and make a bonfire right there in the parking lot.:cool:

I mean I was ready to be disappointed with the whole Jacob thing. I WAS READY. But I wasnt ready for this amount of EPIC FAIL! Now seriously I feel like laughing.
Seriously WTF? I think you are the fifth person cancelling the order of the book. 2 of them being E/B fans. I have friends on both sides.;)

[BluishBlack]

I HOPE EVERYONE IN THIS FANDOM IS MAD. EVERYONE. I AM INSULTED AND ANGRY.

And really, really amused that she was actually allowed to release this fail. JUST, WUT?!

I think SoB will get me through this. Or shredding, shredding would help. I think you should go start this bonfire, AND TAKE ALCOHOL TO NUMB THE PAIN. XD

I am so hurt by what she has done to our boy. She probably thinks it's cute. He would be better off dead. IS ROSE DEAD?! I kinda want her to be, so she's free from all this FAIL. SHE IS TOO EPIC FOR IT. (DO NOT HIGHLIGHT OF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE EPILOGUE SPOILERS)

And that's exactly it Fran, I mean so many of us were prepared for hating on it, and it failing, but to this extent?! SERIOUSLY?!

[francheska28]

Yeah, I was up until 4am commenting on SoB. Those girls can get me through anything.

Rosalie better be dead. She just cant put up with this caesar salad. Bella gets it all. Eternity and a baby. What was the conflict then. And how could she ruin JACOB! She has murdered his character. All that he said "I'll only see you" everything that made me fall for him tarnished. Nessie WTF?

Seriously I will crash one of these release parties. Burn all of the books in the parking lot. I should put an add announcing it. Have others join me. Should be fun. How much would I have to pay for bail?:rolleyes:

[Coconut1214]

I just started reading this series it seems ok, not the best book I ever read. She's no J.K. Rowling or Anne Rice. I caved and read the spoilers and it appears the series turns into a teen girls fanfic.

I read the book knowing all about Edward/Bella and I have to say I don't understand them, I think it happened way to quickly. Even with the 500 pages. lol I really didn't need to see every chapter start with how unaturally beautiful Edward is, I got it the first time. And I got it with every other vampire book that says it. Also she kind of ruined it for the actors in the movie because none of them are as unaturally beautiful as she described. lol

Should I cancel my order of Eclipse and Breaking Dawn? I already have New Moon so I will probably read that one.

[eeeemd]

if that is the ending omg

[BluishBlack]

It really says something that I am mad at the E/B ending here, because I hate those two. She even killed them. WELL DONE WOMAN.

I thought the worst I was going to have to deal with was Jacob imprinting on an existing character, or some random, and E/B living happily ever after. And y'know that was bearable. But THIS?! I have no words, except 'THE ACT OF ULTIMATE FAIL'

As for Nessi/Nessie (which spelling is it? I'm confused.) HAI LOCH LESS MONSTER. Way to go SMeyer, she solved that mystery.

LALALALALAAAAAAAA *COVERS EARS* IT ALL ENDED AT ECLIPSE 'KAY? Denial here I come. BD is some tragic fanfic we are mocking.

ETA: Coconut1214 Maybe get Eclipse, but cancel Breaking Dawn.

[francheska28]

What is this BD you speak of? Twilight is a trilogy by me. :rolleyes:

Yes, it turned into badly written fanfiction. I would say cancell the book. You'll save money and just plain hate for a woman you dont even know.

I was ok with them ending together, but a baby? SMeyer really did fail biology. And Jacob with the baby? GROSS I would have been happy with just getting Jacob and Tanya. That would have been plain awesomeness for me.

I am not wasting my money in BD. As for the rest I will burn them and erase Jacob Black from my memory.

[Monkee]

M'kay, I just read SOME of the spoilers, and I have to say, I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, Stephenie Meyer is a sketchy writer, but...come on. That stuff really DOES look like teen girl fanfic. As in, I'm kind of debating whether it was written by Stephenie Meyer or a teen girl. I don't think I'll believe that's actually what happens until I read the book.

:blank:

[BluishBlack]

Have you read the first chapter of Breaking Dawn? Because her writing had already turned into a full on fanfic at that point...

[francheska28]

M'kay, I just read SOME of the spoilers, and I have to say, I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, Stephenie Meyer is a sketchy writer, but...come on. That stuff really DOES look like teen girl fanfic. As in, I'm kind of debating whether it was written by Stephenie Meyer or a teen girl. I don't think I'll believe that's actually what happens until I read the book.

:blank:

That is sad. You are actually debating wether it is a teen girl fanfic or the work of SMeyer. (an actual author) That says it all about the writing of this individual.

That makes me laugh hysterically and wonder why the hell I read these books.

SMeyer belongs in ff.net

[BluishBlack]

LOL she really does. Let's go see if she already has an account :p

I read them because I wondered wtf all the fuss was about (and I'm still wondering), and because Morgan made me (she needed someone to bitch about Edward with :p).

[francheska28]

LOL she really does. Let's go see if she already has an account :p

I read them because I wondered wtf all the fuss was about (and I'm still wondering), and because Morgan made me (she needed someone to bitch about Edward with :p).


I have to say it was my 13 yr old sister. She was all Edward Cullen this and that. I am like Who TF is EC?( she actually hates him now and I had nothing to do with it.) I was oblivious of Twilight. I was too burried with uni work to even pay attention. I grabbed the first book and read it. I was "ok, promising story." But the fuss over it is still beyond me.:shock:
I mean I thought Edward was very cute and charming (a bit stalkerish to the point of freaking me out) but still cute. NOT OMG HE"S PERFECT! SQEAL! Then I just kept reading because of Jacob and because I love to bitch.

[Monkee]

That is sad. You are actually debating wether it is a teen girl fanfic or the work of SMeyer. (an actual author) That says it all about the writing of this individual.

That makes me laugh hysterically and wonder why the hell I read these books.

SMeyer belongs in ff.net

Believe me. I already know that Stephenie Meyer went into fanfic mode a long time ago.

But the spoiler is everywhere now, so its looking more like its the real thing :shakefist:

[francheska28]

Believe me. I already know that Stephenie Meyer went into fanfic mode a long time ago.

But the spoiler is everywhere now, so its looking more like its the real thing :shakefist:

Well, SM hasnt adressed it yet. I am waiting to see that.

[Coconut1214]

I read it because of all of the fuss too.At Comic Con people were beating each other to see the panel.

"Twlight" is a decent read it's not the greatest so I don't understand the fuss. It's not like what she's doing is new, there has been other shows/books that have done the vampires don't need to drink humans thing and all vampires seem to fall in love with humans. Maybe it's because i'm more interested in the vampire mythology more then what a human girl thinks of the vampire mythology.

[BluishBlack]

Well, SM hasnt adressed it yet. I am waiting to see that.

Heh. When the first chapter was leaked, she tried to claim we couldn't believe everything we read on the internet, but that turned out to be real...

I JUST WANT THIS TO BE FAKE. She can't have murdered whatever shred of decency was left in her own series. Can she? Okay, don't answer that. :blank:

[francheska28]

Believe me, SMeyer's mythology of vampires stinks big time.

They can be in the sun. THEY SPARKLE. oh the new one Apparently they can have babies

There are some other spoilers going around. Like these

I emailed this girl because she said she had a leaked copy of Twilight, and she sent me back 2 pictures, of the book and of the first few pages.

I couldn't believe my eyes, I think it's the real thing!

My curiousity got the best of my and I kept asking her questions and she told me she wasn't going to spoil it for me. But I kept bugging her over IM and she finally told me some stuff!


First she said anything involving Nessi, totally untrue.

Then she tells me the sex scene doesn't happen. She won't tell me exactly why but something dramatic happens and they get interrupted.

She also said it'd be too mean of her to tell me if Bella changes or not. And that Edward is not really what he appears to be.

and the shocker (for me, I'm team Jacob!) Jacob Black *already* imprinted.

Argh! She's so cryptic!
I really don't know whether to believe her or not but waiting for this book to come out sucks!

seriously FAIL!!! *clings to the awesomeness that is Lestat and erases all of this from her memory* And Jacob:( my Jacob. I'll keep fond memories of him.:p

I want it to be fake too. It is just way too much fail to be real. I wont be surprised if it is, but still. IT FAILS!!!!!!!! EPIC ULTIMATE FAILURE!

[BluishBlack]

Well I'd rather that one was true.

I think I'll just keep the order for now, and decide what to do with them later. The other spoilers just seem too ridiculous. IDEK.

[soyblakia]

It's like reading fanfiction :rotflol: I actually remember a similar story that i read in ff.net a while ago:giggle:

But honestly, i'm not that bumped because well...i was prepared for something like this. I mean, we all knew Meyer wasn't much of a writer, she was just gonna wrap it up in what she thought was the suitable happy ending...it's a shame it's not suitable for the rest of the world though :rotflol:

But let's not get carried away, it might all turn out to be a fake...

[francheska28]

I guess she wanted to unite the fandom. Now we are united agaisnt her. How did it get to this level of fail? It is hard to believe, but at the same time it kinda isnt.

She def has to address this.

[Eternal_Darkness]

...what happened to the spoiler tags? I didn't want to know about an E/B sex scene.

I'm leaving this thread.

[Morgan Celestine]

Believe me, SMeyer's mythology of vampires stinks big time.

They can be in the sun. THEY SPARKLE. oh the new one Apparently they can have babies

There are some other spoilers going around. Like these

I emailed this girl because she said she had a leaked copy of Twilight, and she sent me back 2 pictures, of the book and of the first few pages.

I couldn't believe my eyes, I think it's the real thing!

My curiousity got the best of my and I kept asking her questions and she told me she wasn't going to spoil it for me. But I kept bugging her over IM and she finally told me some stuff!


First she said anything involving Nessi, totally untrue.

Then she tells me the sex scene doesn't happen. She won't tell me exactly why but something dramatic happens and they get interrupted.

She also said it'd be too mean of her to tell me if Bella changes or not. And that Edward is not really what he appears to be.

and the shocker (for me, I'm team Jacob!) Jacob Black *already* imprinted.

Argh! She's so cryptic!
I really don't know whether to believe her or not but waiting for this book to come out sucks!

seriously FAIL!!! *clings to the awesomeness that is Lestat and erases all of this from her memory* And Jacob:( my Jacob. I'll keep fond memories of him.:p

I want it to be fake too. It is just way too much fail to be real. I wont be surprised if it is, but still. IT FAILS!!!!!!!! EPIC ULTIMATE FAILURE!
OMG WHUT? I AM SO MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THESE SPOILERS, BECAUSE GOD, SO MUCH BETTER.

I really can't believe any of this Nessie crap that's spreading like wildfire.

Thing is, I refused to believe that the leaked Harry Potter epilogue was real, because it was so effing ridiculous. And it turned out to be so very real. But I am hoping this isn't the case with Twilight, because I mean really, I know SMeyer isn't a great writer or anything (read: she's absolutely hopeless), but really, that epilogue sounds so damn ridiculous and awful, I refuse to believe it.

[Monkee]

Believe me, SMeyer's mythology of vampires stinks big time.

They can be in the sun. THEY SPARKLE. oh the new one Apparently they can have babies

There are some other spoilers going around. Like these

I emailed this girl because she said she had a leaked copy of Twilight, and she sent me back 2 pictures, of the book and of the first few pages.

I couldn't believe my eyes, I think it's the real thing!

My curiousity got the best of my and I kept asking her questions and she told me she wasn't going to spoil it for me. But I kept bugging her over IM and she finally told me some stuff!


First she said anything involving Nessi, totally untrue.

Then she tells me the sex scene doesn't happen. She won't tell me exactly why but something dramatic happens and they get interrupted.

She also said it'd be too mean of her to tell me if Bella changes or not. And that Edward is not really what he appears to be.

and the shocker (for me, I'm team Jacob!) Jacob Black *already* imprinted.

Argh! She's so cryptic!
I really don't know whether to believe her or not but waiting for this book to come out sucks!

seriously FAIL!!! *clings to the awesomeness that is Lestat and erases all of this from her memory* And Jacob:( my Jacob. I'll keep fond memories of him.:p

I want it to be fake too. It is just way too much fail to be real. I wont be surprised if it is, but still. IT FAILS!!!!!!!! EPIC ULTIMATE FAILURE!

*Sighs* Okay, honestly I prefer that to the Nessi business.

I won't believe any of it until the book comes out, though.

[BluishBlack]

Morgan baby, spoiler tags on the arrival of the Loch Ness Monster :giggle:

WHO DID JACOB ALREADY IMPRINT ON THOUGH? OMG IT WAS EDWARD WASN'T IT? OR SETH. SMEYER HAS FINALLY REALISED THAT SLASH IS ACTUALLY EPIC.

[francheska28]

Morgan baby, spoiler tags on the arrival of the Loch Ness Monster :giggle:

WHO DID JACOB ALREADY IMPRINT ON THOUGH? OMG IT WAS EDWARD WASN'T IT? OR SETH. SMEYER HAS FINALLY REALISED THAT SLASH IS ACTUALLY EPIC.

Dude, I am so up for that. It would totally save this book from it's epic fail. :giggle:

I am just a perv that likes reading these things. LOL

[Monkee]

Morgan baby, spoiler tags on the arrival of the Loch Ness Monster :giggle:

WHO DID JACOB ALREADY IMPRINT ON THOUGH? OMG IT WAS EDWARD WASN'T IT? OR SETH. SMEYER HAS FINALLY REALISED THAT SLASH IS ACTUALLY EPIC.

Considering the ridiculousness of the "spoilers" that have come about so far, that may even be a possibility :giggle:

Honestly, I will just be relieved if Baby Nessie doesn't exist. I'm in denial mode right now. There's no way even SM could come up with a plot twist that awful.

...is there? :eh:

[soyblakia]

Considering the ridiculousness of the "spoilers" that have come about so far, that may even be a possibility :giggle:

Honestly, I will just be relieved if Baby Nessie doesn't exist. I'm in denial mode right now. There's no way even SM could come up with a plot twist that awful.

...is there? :eh:

Oh,i'm afraid the possibility exists. This is S.Meyer we're talking about:giggle:

[francheska28]

Ugh! Picture of the page with(Lock Ness Monster) Nessie has been revealed.:rolleyes:

FAIL!!!! UNTIMATE EPIC FAIL!

In all truth is anyone "happy" with what was chosen as an ending?

[Morgan Celestine]

Photographic proof y'all. I don't know what to think. Meyer, fail does not even begin to describe you.

I'm just going to laugh hysterically at this book.

If Rosalie does die though, I think I will cry, and cry. Because really, she's one of the few decent characters. And gah, I will be so angry if Meyer has killed her. So bloody angry.

[francheska28]

Photographic proof y'all. I don't know what to think. Meyer, fail does not even begin to describe you.

I'm just going to laugh hysterically at this book.

If Rosalie does die though, I think I will cry, and cry. Because really, she's one of the few decent characters. And gah, I will be so angry if Meyer has killed her. So bloody angry.

Unless she dies very EPIC-like. I dont think Rosalie is happy being a vampire. I will be very sad that my fave character was tarnished, but still. Rosalie is not happy in her existance. IMO

[soyblakia]

Ugh! Picture of the page with(Lock Ness Monster) Nessie has been revealed.:rolleyes:

FAIL!!!! UNTIMATE EPIC FAIL!

In all truth is anyone "happy" with what was chosen as an ending?

Seriously? Oh dear...:shifty:

Well, i can't say i'm "happy" or "sad". I'm more like....:eh::no::sigh::jawdrop::crackup::rotflol:

And then it goes on like this :crackup::rotflol::crackup::rotflol::crackup::rotf lol::crackup::rotflol:

[Monkee]

Ugh! Picture of the page with(Lock Ness Monster) Nessie has been revealed.:rolleyes:

FAIL!!!! UNTIMATE EPIC FAIL!

In all truth is anyone "happy" with what was chosen as an ending?

No...nooo. :o

Nope. Nope. I'm not going to believe it. I will live in my wonderful land of denial until the book comes out. That is what I will do *maniacal laughter* There is no way anyone but a fifteen year old fanfic writer could come up with that FAIL.

(And no, I am not happy with the ending. I am pretty damn disappointed with the ending, actually. But it doesn't matter, because that is not the actual ending! I refuse to believe it! Lalalalala...)

[francheska28]

Yeah, we need to laugh hysterically and never recommend these books to anyone.

Seriously. I havent had such disappointment from an ending. :eh: And I wasnt even that much invested in the story. I was more invested in Jacob and Rosalie. lol
I just wanted to save the few good characters that probably didnt even get developed. SMeyer fails at life!

I'll write a book and rip off as many stories as I can. :D

[Morgan Celestine]

Fran: Yes, I agree that Rosalie isn't happy with her existence and would rather be dead. "If we all had happy endings, we'd be under gravestones." In that respect, I think that I'd be okay with it; I mean, as people have been saying over at SoB, Rosalie really wanted children, and if this epilogue is real, then it would be excruciating for her to see Bella and Edward with a child, perhaps it's best she doesn;t have to see that. But there's the more predominant part of me screaming "NOOOOO, DON'T KILL OFF ONE OF THE FEW AWESOME CHARACTERS." And then I think of Emmett, who I don't really like much, but still, that would be awful for him *sniffles* If she does die, her death better be epic.

I will live in my wonderful land of denial until the book comes out. That is what I will do *maniacal laughter*
I am so with you.

[BluishBlack]

Morgan can have our own private party, get pissed and shred our books please?

[francheska28]

Morgan can have our own private party, get pissed and shred our books please?

I have decided. Bonfire at release party parking lot.

[BluishBlack]

But you're on a different continent Fran!

[francheska28]

But you're on a different continent Fran!

And that stresses the fact that SMeyer is universally hated. LOL:D

[Hatsumomo]

I haven't even read the spoilers, and I already want to cancel my pre-order. :eh:

:bawl:

I hate this series. I really do. Why am I still reading?

ETA: I read the spoilers.

http://pics.livejournal.com/duskwillow/pic/000308dy

^Made by duskwillow (http://duskwillow.livejournal.com/) @ LJ.

Eeek, sorry for making you have a double post, Francheska!

[francheska28]

My masochism ends here. I wont read it. Good thing I didnt do anything crazy like pre-order.

Dont worry fixed it. ;)

[Monkee]

ETA: I read the spoilers.

http://pics.livejournal.com/duskwillow/pic/000308dy

^Made by duskwillow (http://duskwillow.livejournal.com/) @ LJ.


I wave my flag to that :nod:

I'm still trying to convince myself that it's not true.

[Hatsumomo]

Have you all seen the spoilers that say the baby's full name is Renesme? And Nessi is just the nickname?

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

I give up. I absolutely give up.

[francheska28]

I keep thinking and thinking. It makes me very sad.

I am thinking a lot about Rosalie. She was such a pro-lifer. Not only did Bella give up her humanity she got a baby to top it off. Maybe Rosalie didnt die. She just left cause she is way to cool to put up with such crap. If she dies it better be EPIC dammit.

Carlisle: "I've seen vampire venom work miracles, but there are conditions that even venom cannot overcome."
WTF? :rolleyes: I give up!

*Still wonders about SMeyer's logic* if she happens to have logic.:rolleyes: Apparently not.
And I find it hilarious that many E/B shippers are jumping ship.

I know the ending wasnt *ideal* but you still got them together. All us Jacob lovers got was The Lock Ness Monster. :giggle:

[Emi-chan]

OMG! I'm at work and I just read all the spoilers and I'm having such a hard time not cracking up!

Renesme! Half-vampire! (Like she drinks blood half the time? Ew!) ANOTHER WEREWOLF IMPRINTING ON A BABY! Stephenie Meyer is such a perv. And not in a fun way. I can't believe that there is a picture of the Nessie page. I want it to be false!

My more serious thoughts-- Stephenie Meyer has so broken her own rules! Being a vampire meant giving up a normal life and babies! That's what made it all tragic and dramatic that Bella would choose it. She's just trying to have her cake and eat it, too, AKA keep E/B but make a stereotypically happy ending that does not suit the rest of the series and its established conflicts!

Oh, yeah, and I really like Rosalie, but I agree that she seems unhappy as a vamp.

I still want to read it, just to see what else happens. I just don't want to spend money on it. Maybe the library will get it and I can check it out, or I can borrow it or something.

[BluishBlack]

Have you all seen the spoilers that say the baby's full name is Renesme? And Nessi is just the nickname?

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

I give up. I absolutely give up.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Well I guess that's better than it meaning 'little lamb' or whatever. Or naming her after the Loch Ness Monster.

Screw YA, the genre's clearly changed to comedy. I don't understand how SMeyer can be serious with this BS.

[soyblakia]

MORE SPOILERS!!!

Aparently, Bella becomes a vampire right after giving birth. I don't know why but she slowly starts dying and in order to save her either Edward or Carlisle- not sure- bite her.

Jacob is there when Bella gives birth and when they take the baby away from her because she's dying, Jacob imprints on the baby. It's nothing weird or twisted, we just get to see Jacob's change of behaviour. Something like this "his heart changed, and his insides seemed to melt inside. the entire world changed before his eyes.... he imprinted"

Rosalie is there for the wedding, we don't know what happens later yet. Oh and she is one of those who want Bella to keep the baby.

Before the birth, Jacob tries to persuade bella not to have the baby and they are serioulsy considering abortion. Carlisle says he won't do it unless Bella is absolutely certain. Edward is the most confused and scared, afraid that the baby being half vampire and all might actually hurt Bella. We know she almost dies right after giving birth and that's when she gets bitten.

by foutu from Lj

[Spiffing Cheese]

:crackup:

[Emi-chan]

MORE SPOILERS!!!

Aparently, Bella becomes a vampire right after giving birth. I don't know why but she slowly starts dying and in order to save her either Edward or Carlisle- not sure- bite her.

It's because no human birth canal can handle INDESTRUCTIBLE VAMP BABY!!!1!! :crackup:

[Hatsumomo]

:crackup: :crackup:

Will Comedy Central be showing the movie? :giggle:

[soyblakia]

Come on guys it's not that bad...

:giggle:

[Monkee]

MORE SPOILERS!!!

Aparently, Bella becomes a vampire right after giving birth. I don't know why but she slowly starts dying and in order to save her either Edward or Carlisle- not sure- bite her.

Jacob is there when Bella gives birth and when they take the baby away from her because she's dying, Jacob imprints on the baby. It's nothing weird or twisted, we just get to see Jacob's change of behaviour. Something like this "his heart changed, and his insides seemed to melt inside. the entire world changed before his eyes.... he imprinted"

Rosalie is there for the wedding, we don't know what happens later yet. Oh and she is one of those who want Bella to keep the baby.

Before the birth, Jacob tries to persuade bella not to have the baby and they are serioulsy considering abortion. Carlisle says he won't do it unless Bella is absolutely certain. Edward is the most confused and scared, afraid that the baby being half vampire and all might actually hurt Bella. We know she almost dies right after giving birth and that's when she gets bitten.

by foutu from Lj

I'm hoping that's just speculation and not actual spoilers. :eh:

Actually, I would love it if all of the spoilers given so far were just fangirls coming up with their own storyline. Yes, I'm still in denial.

[soyblakia]

Aparently, it's true that some people have the book already. Don't know if the spoilers are true though,

Not much spoilery, just some pics of the book.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250305.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250307.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250308.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250309.jpg

Oh and they say the book is like 754 pages long...

[Monkee]

Aparently, it's true that some people have the book already. Don't know if the spoilers are true though,

Not much spoilery, just some pics of the book.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250305.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250307.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250308.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/blindinsect/P3250309.jpg

Oh and they say the book is like 754 pages long...

Hmmm...do you think that means part of the book is in Jacob's point of view? Maybe you don't need to be too upset, Jacob fans ;)

[Hatsumomo]

Hmmm...do you think that means part of the book is in Jacob's point of view? Maybe you don't need to be too upset, Jacob fans ;)

Yep. Apparently Book One is in Bella's POV, Book Two is in Jacob's POV, and I'm not sure about Book Three...

[Monkee]

Yep. Apparently Book One is in Bella's POV, Book Two is in Jacob's POV, and I'm not sure about Book Three...

Cool. Maybe Jacob will get back in my good books again :shifty: :p

[Hatsumomo]

LOLOLOLOLOL. Well I guess that's better than it meaning 'little lamb' or whatever. Or naming her after the Loch Ness Monster.


I'd like to link you to this little spoiler:
http://community.livejournal.com/sortofbeautiful/554858.html#cutid1

:rotflol:

[soyblakia]

Book 3 is again Bella POV

[Monkee]

Book 3 is again Bella POV

That's what I thought. Darn. We don't get Edward's POV :no:

[soyblakia]

That's what I thought. Darn. We don't get Edward's POV :no:

We'll get Twilight with Edward's POV;) And frankly, Twilight was my favourite book of the series so i'm ok with it:shrug:

[BluishBlack]

I'd like to link you to this little spoiler:
http://community.livejournal.com/sortofbeautiful/554858.html#cutid1

:rotflol:

No lol, I knew that the nickname still meant 'lamb' or 'little lamb' or whatever, but I meant at least SMeyer hadn't gone all out to have that as the full name. But actually, this is more stupid because the poor kid has TWO lame names. And she went to the effort of merging the grandmothers' names into a form that could have 'lamb' as the nickname. OMG WOMAN YOU FAIL.

The first seven chapters are now available apparently guys. There's a link in this (http://community.livejournal.com/mmmcradle/4567.html) post.

And no, I am not going to be appeased with a section in Jacob's POV because he imprints on Bella and Edward's demon child, EW. She should have given him an epic death. It would have been kinder.

[Hatsumomo]

No lol, I knew that the nickname still meant 'lamb' or 'little lamb' or whatever, but I meant at least SMeyer hadn't gone all out to have that as the full name. But actually, this is more stupid because the poor kid has TWO lame names. And she went to the effort of merging the grandmothers' names into a form that could have 'lamb' as the nickname. OMG WOMAN YOU FAIL.

The first seven chapters are now available apparently guys. There's a link in this (http://community.livejournal.com/mmmcradle/4567.html) post.


Lol :giggle: My bad! I only just figured out the name meaning 'lamb' part :p

I'm totally reading those chapters right now. Hopefully I can manage to not spend any money on this book. :rolleyes:

[Caroo]

If the spoilers are true, the book is lame, and by that lives up to my expectations.
I've decided to read it though, even if it is just to laugh at Stephenie.

[francheska28]

And no, I am not going to be appeased with a section in Jacob's POV because he imprints on Bella and Edward's demon child, EW. She should have given him an epic death. It would have been kinder.


WORD! Jacob Black is ruined for me. This woman will not get another cent from me. No matter how much I still love Jacob. Well, used to love him.

Oh and those new spoilers are FAIL!! I thought they would get better with time.

And here I had hope that Rosalie had left and that might mean she would have continued something with her.:( Jacob having his own book would have been great before this Epic Fail
I am just laughing my ass off as people keep cancelling book orders. That's what you get SMeyer for writing such FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BluishBlack]

I still haven't cancelled mine. I am torn. As much as I don't want her getting anymore money from me, I want my own copy to mock, graffiti and possibly shred/burn.

Eclipse is just going to have to be the end.

I still love our boy, we just have retreat into denial here so the whole Nessi situation can be IGNORED. I CANNOT HAVE HIM RUINED. I LOVES HIM TOO MUCH *WAILS* BD DID NOT HAPPEN OKAY? Or how can I be Morgan's Jacob in light of it? Is she my Nessi now? EW. This ending is too disturbing.

Have you downloaded the chapters? I couldn't even bring myself to read all of it. So much fail.

[francheska28]

I just Downloaded them. Havent started reading yet. I probably will tonight. To mock and laugh at it like I have done with all 3 previous books. And I still love my Jacob. I will just ignore BD. Twilight series are a Trilogy, right?:giggle:

[BluishBlack]

Aye TRILOGY.

I am about the cancel the order, and have discovered there is a box on amazon for writing in your reasons for cancelling. Oh this could be fun :giggle:

[francheska28]

Ohhhhhhhhh I would have so much fun with that. I should dedicate some time for writing Twilight reviews at Amazon. Now that would be some payback. LOL

If you plan on reading it then buy it. You can always burn it later. Make sure you record it and post it on youtube. :p

I am happy right now. Nothing can get me down. I JUST GOT MY KAMELOT TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monkee]

I tried downloading the chapters, and it didn't work :(

Oh well. I suppose I'll wait. And I'm still buying the book, despite its APPARENT EPIC FAIL. I'm hearing that the people who've read it think its good, though (although whether they ship canon or not is unknown, so...:shrug:)

[jate4eva&eva]

Anyone here read the first 7 chapters yet?
Is it really as fail-tastic as the spoilers are making it out to be?

I'm avoiding the links like the plague cos I really don't wanna be spoiled. Its getting hard for me though.
I thought it would be best to leave the disappointment as late as possible, which for me is release day.

[francheska28]

Well, I will read them tonight. If no one beats me to it I'll make sure to let you guys know of it's fail.

I'll try to tone down my anti-eddie bias.

[soyblakia]

I'm in the middle of chapter 6. Personally, i thought it was ok so far:shrug: I'm Team Edward so i guess i'm biased but it's not that horrible just yet imo. Of course, Meyer's writing is a bit...ick...but we knew that already:rolleyes:

Renea, i could send you the chapters if you like:)

[francheska28]

Yeah, I am sure you are happy.

The thing is that we didnt want Jacob to actually be with Bella. We just wanted him to not end in such a fail way. If he was to imprint on a vampire IMO it should have been Tanya. That would have been 1234567 better. EPIC WIN. Not having him(SMeyer have him) settle for the demon child. (second best) It is seriously her spitting on our ship and all that Jacob stood for. I have to say in me there was something that actually appreciated E/B but after this it is completely gone. She even killed that.:rolleyes:

[BluishBlack]

I am happy right now. Nothing can get me down. I JUST GOT MY KAMELOT TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG SO JEALOUS. They have confirmed a London gig next year in March though. I WANT TO GO SO BADLY. I am annoyed though because the London date is on the Sunday *grumbles* Leeds got the Saturday.

ANYWAY. Mine and Morgan's order is now cancelled, which makes me happy. Denial land here we come.

LALALALA. Breaking Dawn is just a dodgy fanfic as far as I am concerned, and not part of the Twilight TRILOGY (which was already a dodgy fanfic, but whatever).

[francheska28]

LOL everybody is cancelling. Did you write something? you know... explaining why?:giggle:

Denial land is awesome. Twilight the Trilogy. YES! Who the heck writes a series that concludes in 4 books?:eh:

Yay! you will see them next year. My concert is on a Wednesday. I have already picked my classes and this day I have class. I think I am going to have to SKIP!:w00t: As long as I hear March Of Mephisto or EdenEcho (Myfaveforeverandever)

"I am the spore of your pride
an angel heaven sent
MASTER OF ALL
I AM THE URGE OF THE FLESH"

*dies* I dont think I will be able to survive this.

[soyblakia]

Yeah, I am sure you are happy.

The thing is that we didnt want Jacob to actually be with Bella. We just wanted him to not end in such a fail way. If he was to imprint on a vampire IMO it should have been Tanya. That would have been 1234567 better. EPIC WIN. Not having him(SMeyer have him) settle for the demon child. (second best) It is seriously her spitting on our ship and all that Jacob stood for. I have to say in me there was something that actually appreciated E/B but after this it is completely gone. She even killed that.:rolleyes:

Well, i liked Jacob too so i can't say i'm pleased with his outcome. I haven't reached that point yet but so far nothing bad has happened.

BIG SPOILER

Jacob actually came to the wedding and he was really cool. Team Edward or not i appreciate his character so i don't really enjoy his imprinting on Bella's daughter, it's just...sick:sick:. But so far, no big disappointment for me:shrug:

[BluishBlack]

Fran I have a MAJOR obsession with Karma. It makes me so hyper :giggle:

Aye I did, it said: Because I am not giving SMeyer any more money for churning out this utter sh**e. And I am concerned about the impact my purchasing of this book would have on the environment, since I would end up burning it.

I would have done much better were my brain not fried right now. You should see my review of Chasing Amy I wrote at 3am the other week while Morgan was here, now that was funny :p Play.com appears to have rejected it though, ha. FAIL.

[francheska28]

"Because I am not giving SMeyer any more money for churning out this utter sh**e. And I am concerned about the impact my purchasing of this book would have on the environment, since I would end up burning it.":rotflol::crackup:

PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the songs that are just raw and reveal what is true about the human condition. One of the reasons why I dont like Edward. (He is too perfect. Cheesiness and controlling factors aside) Descent Of The Archangel is one of my faves. Because to be honest we all fall to our urges and desires sometimes.
Kamelot is perfect with those lyrics. Epica and The Black Halo are major LOVE.

Sofia- Keep reading and tell me how much fail the Jacob part is. If his character is not changed much I might actually buy his book. Not this piece of ****

[BluishBlack]

Why ty Fran. I am awesome I know :D

I've read the Jacob part Fran (and the Edward and Tanya reunion naturally, ha). IT JUST HURT. HE AND BELLA DANCE TO THE SOUND OF HIS HEARTBEAT. He also flips when he finds out about Bella and Edward's honeymoon plans. Bella says some line about how she never deserved a friend as amazing as Jacob. She also goes on about how she is an idiot. SO MUCH TRUTH GIRL.

Raw and brutal, the best combination for song lyrics <3

[Emi-chan]

I didn't have a pre-order, but I will still read the book and may enjoy some of it. I'm just really annoyed by the content of the spoilers so far! Annoyed, yet laughing my butt off. :giggle:

[francheska28]

Why ty Fran. I am awesome I know :D
YES YOU ARE! ;)

I've read the Jacob part Fran (and the Edward and Tanya reunion naturally, ha). IT JUST HURT. HE AND BELLA DANCE TO THE SOUND OF HIS HEARTBEAT. He also flips when he finds out about Bella and Edward's honeymoon plans. Bella says some line about how she never deserved a friend as amazing as Jacob. She also goes on about how she is an idiot. SO MUCH TRUTH GIRL.
WOW for the first time in a long time Bella makes sense.
TRUFAX THERE!!! NO YOU DIDNT! SHE NEVER DESERVED JACOB. HECK, NOT EVEN EDWARD.

Raw and brutal, the best combination for song lyrics <3
Completely agree with you there.

[jate4eva&eva]

Phew, a very trust worthy girl who's read the entire book has said that Rosalie doesn't die!
:w00t: Thank the lord. She's my 1st/2nd favourite Cullen :)

[francheska28]

Phew, a very trust worthy girl who's read the entire book has said that Rosalie doesn't die!
:w00t: Thank the lord. She's my 1st/2nd favourite Cullen :)
WELL
I rather she had an epic death to have her join the FAILFEST! I hope that SMeyer didnt ruin her character.

[Spiffing Cheese]

Just finished the leaked chapters, SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.

Jacob was at the wedding and when Bella let slip that she and Edward were gonna have sex he totally freaked out and was all "I'M GONNA KILL YOU SPARKLE BOY," and had to be restraaained.

Ummmmmmm. Yeah, they went to "Isle Esme," they had sex, Bella was covered in bruises when she woke up but was all OH NEVER MIND. LOL FAIL.

Bella's pregnant. Oh, god. Oh, ffs. Edward and Carlisle apparently want her to abort it and at the end Bella's all "ROSALIE HELP ME!!!"

There is indeed a BOOK II - JACOB page at the end. WHAAAAT? :D

[francheska28]

I bet the whole "Over my pile of ashes" is about the abortion topic.

Even though I have the first 7 ch I dont even feel the urge to read it.:rolleyes: I never was excited for a new book anyways. This one makes no difference.

[Hatsumomo]

I'm up to the wedding, and it's not been /too/ fail-tastic (thought it has it's moments :giggle:)

And LMAO @ Mike Newton getting the garter at the wedding. ILY Mike xDDD

ETA: Nah, I lied. It still fails.

"Still not that fond of Mike, eh?" Oh STFU, Bella. :mad: I want to save Mike from this failboat of a book :no:

[Coconut1214]

I cancelled my order and I haven't even read the second book yet. Their are two things that I hate with Vampire/human love stories. Them getting married and having babies!!!!!

The whole tragic point of a vampire is that they can't have that normal human relationship. I don't mind the human turning into a vampire so they can be together forever. But babies is just so wrong on so many levels. You can't have both, you can't have Bella get her Vampire and then be able to have children. A VAMPIRE doesn't age how in the world could they have a child that ages then? half-human is crap, you can't be half-dead!

They better be feeding that kid blood in her bottles. Even Blade who's supposedly half-vampire had the blood lust part (which imo is the most important factor in being a vampire)

[francheska28]

I cancelled my order and I haven't even read the second book yet. Their are two things that I hate with Vampire/human love stories. Them getting married and having babies!!!!!

The whole tragic point of a vampire is that they can't have that normal human relationship. I don't mind the human turning into a vampire so they can be together forever. But babies is just so wrong on so many levels. You can't have both, you can't have Bella get her Vampire and then be able to have children. A VAMPIRE doesn't age how in the world could they have a child that ages then? half-human is crap, you can't be half-dead!

They better be feeding that kid blood in her bottles. Even Blade who's supposedly half-vampire had the blood lust part (which imo is the most important factor in being a vampire)

Good for you! TAKE THAT SMEYER! This will def make a difference. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CANCELLING THEIR ORDERS. I am glad cause we have def been ripped off.

And it's just like you said. You cant have both. That's not how it works. And she doesnt even give a good explanation for it. Yeah what the hell is with the epicly fast growing vamp human thing? wtf?

Somebody else said this but it is hilarious and true. "smeyer is a contradicting fail artist of epic proportions."


Oh and I have learned that Edward is just a big pansy. WHat an idiot seriously. I feel sorry for him. He asks Jacob to convince Bella because he knows her better. WOW now you realize this. I though you were very intelligent. Oh and it even goes to the point of him asking Jacob to have a baby with Bella. If it's a baby she wants. What an insult to Jacob.
For the first time I am actually proud of Bella. Even if it is because she is protecting the Devil Spawn. She hasnt given in to Edward's pretty eyes or his "pain" Please you're not the one with the beast inside. STFU. she wants to keep it let her. Even if Jacob was a bit strange at the beginning I liked that he was the one to call everyone on what they really are. GO JACOB! Sadly, not even he can save this fail of a book. SMeyer will screw him over later on.:shifty:

Quotes from someone at SOB an anti-Jacob person.
"Sad to say, but these are the best Damn chapters ever. And I'm hugely anti-Jacob... its a sad day for the Twilight fandom when Jacob becomes the most likeable character in the series."

"Try reading the next few chapters that are in Jacob Black's PoV. Its a sad day for me, because I have to admit, the only reason I'm still getting BD is because Jacob's side of the story FUCKIN ROCKS! And I HATE Jacob! :["

This is the fail beyond fail.

Still laughing my ass off at the people switching sides.

[soyblakia]

Ok i've read Jacob's book too except for a couple of pages that were missing, at least i think it was all of it.:blank:

Personally, i liked it:cool:

What's more, i really really really start to love Jacob. Of course, i liked him before no matter being on Edward's team, but now that i got to read from his percpective and read his thoughts, i like him so much more(not more than Edward but still:p)

So, i'm gonna lay out all i can remember from Jacob's book for those who are interested but don't plan to read the book.

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!

First of all, we get to see a lot of the pack's drama. Paul has imprinted on Jacob's sister and Jacob is not happy with it. Quil is attached to little Claire and when Jacob asks him if he would ever consider dating while waiting for Claire to grow up he says that he sees no other women's faces. Jacob says the same happens for him.

Suddenly they hear Sam howling so they phase and gather up. Jacob is prepared to hear that Bella either died or has become a vampire so the treaty has broken. Sam says that Carlisle called Charlie and told him that Bella has gotten a strange kind of flu from the honeymoon and she's guarantined. Jacob doesn't believe that's the case and is decided to attack the Cullens. Seth is strongly opposed and the rest of the pack agree with him. Sam says that if Bella is a vampire, it was her choice so the treaty is still un-broken. Jacob gets angry and says that he's gonna leave like last time. He supposedly goes to say goodbye to his dad but he's really going to attack the Cullens alone.

When he reaches the Cullens, Carlisle opens the door and doesn't look good. Jacob is surprised to hear Bella's voice, she says to let him in. He sees her and she's a wreck,literally. She's hardly breathing and it's like she hasn't eaten for God knows how long but she's still a human. After a minute Bella tries to get up and Jacob sees the bump and is shocked. He thinks something like "It's his fault" and edward asks to speak to him alone.

Edward is even worse than Bella. Jacob describes him as a burning man, like he has lost it for good. Jacob is all about killing him right there and Edward merely says "not yet". Edward explains that she's pragnant and the "thing" is slowly killing her but Bella refuses to abort it. Rosalie is her guard so as to no one from the Cullens tries anything to hurt the baby. Aparently Bella and Rosalie have become best buddies. Edward pleads with Jacob to talk to her, to make her see sense. Jacob assures him that bella will never see sense. Then Edward says that he'll do whatever it takes-if she so badly wants a baby then she can have it with anyone she wants, he implys Jacob. Jacob is shocked and really believes that Edward is crazy. Anyway, Jacob says he'll talk to her but no promises. Then Edward says that if Bella actually dies then he'll give him the pleasure of killing him. They make a deal.

Jacob tries to persuade Bella not to have the baby but in vain. She's determined to have the baby. Then, in is desperation, he kinda implies what Edward told him, that she can have a baby with someone else. She's shocked and says she doesn't want some strangers's baby. Then she realizes that he meant jacob and that it was Edward's idea. she still doesn't change her mind.

Anyway, jacob leaves and goes back to the pack. They are shocked by the news and now Sam is determined to take the Cullens down. Jacob is confused and says that the Cullens are no threat, he realizes it now. But Sam is determined that the baby is a great danger and has to be killed. Jacob realizes that they are gonna kill Bella too. Sam says they'll attack tonight but Seth and Jacob refuse. Sam uses the Alpha power. Jacob is trying in vain to get rid of it until he realizes that he doesn't have to follow Sam's orders. He wasn't born to follow his orders. So he claims he's off the pack. Sam is outraged and says there can't be two Alphas. Jacob says that he'll leave and go protect those who need protecting-the Cullens. He runs away and realizes that Seth has followed him. They argue for a bit and Seth says that now there are two packs and apparently they can't hear the thoughts of the members of the other pack.

They make it back to the Cullens and explain the situation. The Cullens are grateful and Edward says he owes Jacob once again. Bella is getting worse. The next day Leah joins the new pack both because she wants to protect her brother and because she wants desperately to be away from Sam. Jacob grudgingly agrees but still doesn't see himself as the Alpha. Later on Jacob has a talk with Carlisle who says that it would be helpful if he could get a look at the baby but apparently the...thing that protects it...dunno what it's called, is too thick. He says both Bella and the baby are starving to death. then Jacob thinks that probably the little monster wants blood and death. Edward hears his thoughts and says it could work. So they give Bella blood to drink and oh look at that, she actually likes it lol. She feels better and she does get better while Jacob tries not to puke his guts out lol.

After a while 4 members of the pack appear, Jared in his human form. He pleads with Jacob to see reason and come back home. he refuses but says someday he will come back. Jared then turns to Seth and Leah and begs them to return too. They refuse too. When the werewolves are gone Edward talks to jacob and thanks him once again. He then says that Esme is feeling really guilty about them being sort of homless and says that they have cooked food for them. they also give them clothes.

Well, that's sort of all that happened. I'm sure it's not all, i must have forgotten something, but i think i've covered the major parts. In general, this book has hilarious chapter titles:giggle: Jacob is too in his funny mode and i totally loved his interactions with Edward. He kept blaming him for Bella but in the end he sort of sympathized with him. They both seem not to like Rosalie at the moment. They think she's only after the baby and that she doesn't care about Bella. That was my impression too to tell you the truth.

Alice doesn't appear much and when Jacob asks her why she isn't close to Bella anymore she says that the fetus frightens her because it kinda blocks her visions or something. It gives her headaches.

The funny thing is that Jacob seems to really hate bella's baby at the moment. And just think that he'll imprint on it sooner than later lol

Anyway, that's all i can remember now. It really isn't that bad. The only thing that makes me cringe is Meyer's writing (but i'm used to it) and the problem with the fetus. It's just so...disturbing:shifty: But seeing it from Jacob's POV helped a lot, i think. His sarcasm and snide remarks did lighten the mood. :shrug:

[Prince_Rajani]

Dude, what is this, Alien? *shudders* This sounds more like something fromStar-Trek that Twilight.

...My respect is dwindling...:shifty:

[Hatsumomo]

And just think: Stephenie Meyer is sitting somewhere right now, feeling proud of herself for writing this book.

*shudders*

[BluishBlack]

And just think: Stephenie Meyer is sitting somewhere right now, feeling proud of herself for writing this book.

*shudders*

LAWL. It's disturbing really. I'm about to watch her on GMA, but I'm worried I'll end up chucking my laptop out the window in frustration :p

I've downloaded Jacob's book but have yet to read it. It's a shame it took this book failing so much for certain people to see his epicness, but it's hilarious really.

[francheska28]

I still think the book is lacking. I have always hated SMeyer's writing, but now I can seriously point and laugh. Maybe I laugh to keep myself from crying. I have wasted precious hours readign these books.( and I dont have eternity like these vamps. My time is limited and it means something. Thank God) I wont count my time on SOB as a loss because those people are awesomes.:w00t:

Ok on with it.

I always knew Leah rocked. Seriously she got the short end of the stick. It's good to see more of her.

Rosalie still rocks my world. So what if she doesnt care for Bella. I dont either. Does that make me evil. Bella, is constantly putting herself in these situations. Good that she is finally owning up to the concequences. At least she is not moping and whining. She is owning everything she has done. She is not sorry, and I liked that.

Edward has gone crazy. I have stopped hating him. I feel sorry for him. Which is worse.

Jacob is love. I am still super pissed that he imprints on the Antichrist.

And I am angry that SMeyer keep shoving her views and religion on these books. And to think they would have been nulled the day she decided to write a VAMPIRE story. No wonder it's made of fail. A bad science fiction book. That's what it has turned into

"It's a shame it took this book failing so much for certain people to see his epicness, but it's hilarious really." I know, right!

[BluishBlack]

I am now going to take a quote of SMeyer's from GMA out of context, just for fun :p

It's not a good story anymore.

WORD WOMAN.

[Monkee]

I'm done reading spoilers :no: I can wait the day and a half it takes for me to get the next book. I may hate it and tear it to shreds and burn the pieces, but I will wait. Maybe it won't seem to fail so badly when I'm reading the actual text and not the paraphrased versions on SOB.

But it probably will. :(

[francheska28]

I am now going to take a quote of SMeyer's from GMA out of context, just for fun :p



WORD WOMAN.

LOL I think she just ran out of ideas. She just happened to see Alien and boom there you have it. No need for explaining why the rapid growth or even make it plausible. I am hugely disappointed. At least science fiction books give really weird/cool explanations. All I get from SMeyer are contradictions.

[BluishBlack]

I just love how she seemed to think that it wouldn't be a good story anymore after Breaking Dawn LOL.

[francheska28]

It hasnt been a good story since Twilight. And that is saying something. Well, at least for me it was Jacob that got me to read all of this crap. I still maintained hope for some other characters as well.

This has been the crappiest series I have ever read. Seriously. But it is like CRACK. I love to hate it.:rolleyes:

[BluishBlack]

Don't you mean it was never a good story? :p

Well she wrote the 'saga' for herself. I think that says it all really.

[francheska28]

Well her wiriting was always lacking. But I have to say I was intrigued by the first book. The Bella began to be a complete FAIL! Jacob rescued it for me. So I have to say that I used to like Twilight. I tried rereading it recently and I couldnt cause I knew I would hate it. I just scanned it. Just to have all the fail fresh on my mind.

I am ready to burn these books. What should the title be for the youtube video I will make of it?:rolleyes:

[BluishBlack]

Well I read it in the wrong order, ha. New Moon, Eclipse, Twilight.

It was a series with such potential, that was never reached. And now that she's tried to make stuff actually happen, it's just plain ridiculous, ha.

ROUND OF (SARCASTIC) APPLAUSE FOR SMEYER PEOPLE.

[francheska28]

She just tried to make the readers happy by giving it that ending.

Crappy fairytale ending. I guess she didn tcount on the fandom being completely pissed off. I cant believe the fandom is actually united. This ending is just insulting and just freaking gross.

Edward asking Jacob to have a baby with Bella. WTF? Bella has no say in this. Edward still pisses me off, but at the same time I feel sorry for him. She is not a whore. Someone called her Rent-A-Bella. LOL Again feminist everywhere are suffering over this crap.
And then I laugh at E/B because he doesnt know her at all. He even admits it in the book. BUT DONT FORGET THAT THEY ARE TRU WUV!:rolleyes: He asks Jacob to talk to her. Apparently for SMeyer communication and actually knowing a person is not a BIG part in true love. You just are in love with a person you dont know. Which is why imprinting sucks too. *Remembers the story where someone made a link between imprinting and E/B* Yeah they both Suck!
Bella wanting Jacob to stay pisses me off too. You made your choice. But apparently that meant nothing. She gets to have everything she wanted. IMO both guys needed to fall for some other girl. And Jacob was never to set eyes on NESSIE!:shock:
Bella resisting human blood. WTF? magically she is a tame newborn. FAIL!
Fail all around this book.

[you think?]

:giggle:This book is the epic fail. But that's not really a spoiler.

[francheska28]

Ok
I dont know about the rest of you guys, but I totally love Leah, Seth and Jacob. They are the funniest to read.

Loved the part after they (leah&Seth) found out about the blood drinkage.
Seth is just trying to defend the Cullens:giggle: And Jacob and Leah just stare at him. It goes like this.

What?
Mom dropped him a lot when he was a baby, Leah told me.
On his head, apparently.
He used to gnaw on the crib bars, too.
Lead paint?
Looks like it.
BAHAHAHA Leah and Jacob. Me loves them now. LOL I always knew Leah was made of WIN!!!!!

[Spiffing Cheese]

Does anyone have chapters 8-14?

[soyblakia]

Does anyone have chapters 8-14?

I do :)

Yeah,Francheska, that was one of my favorites too. But my top favorite was when Jacob was speculating about nudity. and he said that Leah was actually worth looking at but so not worth it getting caught later on thinking about it:rotflol:

[francheska28]

I do :)

Yeah,Francheska, that was one of my favorites too. But my top favorite was when Jacob was speculating about nudity. and he said that Leah was actually worth looking at but so not worth it getting caught later on thinking about it:rotflol:

:giggle: Yeah, that made me laugh too.

But I still like the other one because it is just too cute that they are both making fun of Seth. I really love Leah because she is exactly how I had imagined her to be. I also liked the part with Alice and Jacob. How she asks if she can sit by him while he sleeps. Maybe this was a clue. Since Jacob was to imprint on the Lock Ness Moster she cant see the baby and it causes her headaches.;)

[Hatsumomo]

I loved all the parts with the renegade pack, and especially Leah. She's made of win :love:

Moving off of Breaking Dawn for a minute though, I was reading the MTV interview with SMeyer, and this really irritated me:

MTV: It's hard to reconcile [the notion of her being a strong female] with the idea that Bella is so beaten down when Edward leaves her.

Meyer: Yeah, but how many shows do you see where the guy leaves and the girl eats a bunch of chocolate, watches sad movies, listens to sad music and then she's good? If you notice with that, the guy's always, like, something she's really better off without. I wanted to write about really true love — the kind that when they leave it's really not an easy thing. She doesn't listen to sad music or mope around; she goes on with her life, just a little bit different than before.

So apparently if you're not suicidally depressed and nearly catatonic after a breakup, then you didn't really love the person.
Nice message there, Stephenie. :eh: :eh:

[francheska28]

So apparently if you're not suicidally depressed and nearly catatonic after a breakup, then you didn't really love the person.
Nice message there, Stephenie. :eh: :eh:

IKR But then again when has she actually set a good example with these books?:eh:
I dont remember any. What is the message of these books. Oh I know. Vampires SPARKLE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monkee]

MTV: It's hard to reconcile [the notion of her being a strong female] with the idea that Bella is so beaten down when Edward leaves her.

Meyer: Yeah, but how many shows do you see where the guy leaves and the girl eats a bunch of chocolate, watches sad movies, listens to sad music and then she's good? If you notice with that, the guy's always, like, something she's really better off without. I wanted to write about really true love — the kind that when they leave it's really not an easy thing. She doesn't listen to sad music or mope around; she goes on with her life, just a little bit different than before.

A little bit different? :eh: How girls can look up to this woman is beyond me.

Oh, if only I'd had the better sense than to pick up Twilight in the late summer of '05...my life would be so much easier...:rolleyes:

[francheska28]

Oh, if only I'd had the better sense than to pick up Twilight in the late summer of '05...my life would be so much easier...:rolleyes:

Really? Good thing I have only been on this faildom for only 5 months.:giggle:

[Caroo]

:rotflol: Breaking Dawn is hilarious. I'm not buying the whole pregnancy thing. How did he produce sperm? How could he even get it up?

[Monkee]

Well, according to the LJ people (who have been fairly reliable in the past), Edward can produce sperm if he hasn't had sex before or jacked off :eh: So I'm guessing he was pretty devoted to his virtue :giggle:

The whole thing is just wrong. And twisted.

[francheska28]

I think we should keep using spoiler tags. Some people wont read the FAIL until later on. Lets give them time.

That sounds insane. SMeyer's doesnt give an explanation. She had said before that only venom is what replaces evry kind of bodily fluids. And even if it was venomsperm she has said that a vampire is not dead but somehow frozen in its current state. How can the little swimmers reach and send the needed signal to the egg to start cell division and create life? :eh: FAIL SMEYER FAIL!

I will stick to what I said before. SMeyer totally failed Biology.

[Caroo]

The whole thing is just wrong. And twisted.

Exactly.

Seriously doesn't he need an erection in order to have sex? And how does that work then? Does all the venom flow to his penis, because we know one thing for sure, he doesn't have blood!?

[francheska28]

Exactly.

Seriously doesn't he need an erection in order to have sex? And how does that work then? Does all the venom flow to his penis, because we know one thing for sure, he doesn't have blood!?

That was the given explanation. I could have accepted that. But A BABY! Hell no. This book has completely turned into a joke. I say completely because I have actually been laughing at since day one.

[Coconut1214]

Doesn't SMeyer have kids? How does she think they were created?

Vampires should not be able to have kids! Sex they can have I don't have a problem with that. But having half-vampire babies is wrong.

She's saying that her vampires are not dead? Then what are they? Sparkly :rolleyes: They were all near death when they were turned wtf! If they're not dead how come they don't need to breathe? No blood flow would make your skin ice cold. Blood flow makes you alive, no blood flow makes you dead. She really needs some biology lessons. I know vampires are fake but that doesn't mean they can't make a little bit of sense. Or I read too many well written vampire books.

[francheska28]

Doesn't SMeyer have kids? How does she think they were created?

Vampires should not be able to have kids! Sex they can have I don't have a problem with