4.04 Eggtown - Episode Talk

[Lostbeth]

ABC episode description (http://www.abcmedianet.com/assets/pr/html/021108_15.html)

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credit: Shrani



Promotional photos (http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails-1371.html)

Promos:
Eggtown Promo (CDN) - Dailymotion Share Your Videos (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dpxe_eggtown-promo-cdn_shortfilms) uploaded by Luanne
Eggtown Promo 1 (ABC) - Dailymotion Share Your Videos (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Lost%2BEggtown%2B/video/x4dqdn_lost-4x04-eggtown-abc_events) uploaded by matrix_08
Eggtown Promo 2 (ABC) - Dailymotion Share Your Videos (http://www.dailymotion.com/Luanne1/video/x4egmv_eggtown-promo-2-us_shortfilms) uploaded by Luanne


Promo screen captures (http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails-1379.html)


Full Synopsis - Major Spoilers for Episode 4.04 - Eggtown (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/01/major-spoilers-for-episode-404-eggtown.html)

Sneak peeks (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-404-eggtown-sneak-peek-1-and-2.html)



Guys, don't forget to use spoiler tags.. unless you're talking about the promo.

:smooch:

[Starred]

My excitement for this episode is at a very extreme level.

:hyper:

[Crispo]

I cant wait to see what happens in this eppi!:D:D

[Lostbeth]

Posted a little something on the top to get you all through the ep. ;)

but I seriously can't wait for this one !!!!!!!! :w00t:

[beauty_is_truth]

Are you Jaters nervous about how in the preview Skate was getting some serious action?

[Truefate21]

Im not nervous AT ALL about that surprsingly enough im tooo anxious to see how the court room scene and the taxi jate scenes go I relally wanna get some good angst here!!

[Caroo]

I'm SO excited for this episode!
it ought to be so good.

[beauty_is_truth]

Im not nervous AT ALL about that surprsingly enough im tooo anxious to see how the court room scene and the taxi jate scenes go I relally wanna get some good angst here!!

yeah i want to see the jate scenes too... maybe it won't be so bad

[Count2Five]

I think both ships are excited for this episode, for different reasons of course. We've only got 4 more days to go! :w00t:

[Lostbeth]

:nod: I think .. Skaters will get their on the island moments.. while we'll get our FF moments.

It will be very interesting to watch an ep like that. NO show has ever done that.. well that I know of. :)

[Count2Five]

:nod: I think .. Skaters will get their on the island moments.. while we'll get our FF moments.

It will be very interesting to watch an ep like that. NO show has ever done that.. well that I know of. :)

You're right. It's a very interesting juxtapisition. (Don't know if I spelled that right lol)

[Starred]

Are you Jaters nervous about how in the preview Skate was getting some serious action?

Not nervous even a little bit. The ep seems ship-satisfactory all around, which is good. I don't really like it when one ship is totally, completely let down. (But I admit it, I do love an anti-Skate moment every now and then... :o :giggle:

JIF!

Liesbeth, thanks for the animation at the top! :love:

[IslandofMystery]

I can't WAIT!!!!!

There's no kiss in this epi is there?

[Caroo]

I can't WAIT!!!!!

There's no kiss in this epi is there?

No :( not Jate at least

[Natih]

Are you Jaters nervous about how in the preview Skate was getting some serious action?

No;) It's the same old same old with Skate...they make out, they fight:rolleyes:...and this time is gonna be even worse. Jate's realtionship in the other hand...develops more and more each episode:D

[ninkagv22]

Are you Jaters nervous about how in the preview Skate was getting some serious action?

Not at all. Why should we. Jate is the future. Skate is the past.;)

[Count2Five]

Not at all. Why should we. Jate is the future. Skate is the past.;)

WORD! :D

[livin_4_foxy]

IM SOOOO EXCITED FOR THIS EPISODE!

has it occure to everyone that we've all been waiting 3 years to see what Kate's trial is like aaahhhhh :hyper:


:nod: I think .. Skaters will get their on the island moments.. while we'll get our FF moments.

It will be very interesting to watch an ep like that. NO show has ever done that.. well that I know of. :)

i know thats really cool.
but of course we jaters have the upper hand! :D :giggle: ;)

Skate has there scene how nice..but we know our couple is guaranteed to get together because of a beautiful thing called FFs:)

JATE IS IN THE FUTURE skate is in the past
:boogie: ^ love that line

[jafan4evr]

has it occure to everyone that we've all been waiting 3 years to see what Spoiler: Kate's trial is like aaahhhhh

I know!!! I feel like we've only ever dreamed about seeing her trial, much less seeing Jack testifying at it(!!!!) in fanfiction and dyojs and now it's actually going to happen :thud:

[jafan4evr]

This is from Vozzek69's review of "The Economist" (posted over at DarkUFO). I brought over the jatey/semi-jatey parts


Why Don’t You Go Get Us Some Sandwiches?
Jack’s dismissal of Juliette this episode was as unsubtle as it was hilarious. Wanting some alone time with Kate, Jack needs to feel her out on the whole Sawyer thing. After some quick thinking, he decides to go with the whole “If you love something, set it free” philosophy. Is Kate a valuable asset to Sayid’s mission? Sure. Does Jack believe Sawyer will protect her? Definitely. But Jack’s third motive in sending her is to see if she’ll come back. He gives Kate another chance to stay with James – the old if she doesn’t come back, she wasn’t his to begin with. Sadly for him, this turns out to be the case. Looks like Kate’s gonna try and play house with Sawyer, and with Bai Ling now in jail for shoplifting, Jack had better get working on Juliette.

:crackup: I liked some of that paragraph :shifty:
I also liked that he outlined the whole scene with Jack telling Juliet to get Lost. When I watched the scene, I was confused about how we were supposed to take it - if it was supposed to be seen as Jack trusting Juliet more to go get Desmond, or if it was supposed to be Jack trying to get rid of Juliet so he could chill with Kate (and since Juliet seemed kinda pissed about it, I assumed it was the latteR) and it's nice to see that HE at least saw the jatier one as being true.

This is some interesting stuff from Jeff Jensen. Not exactly great for jate, but he brings up some good points:

Regarding Jack telling Kate she should go with Sayid:
He felt her presence would give Sayid more leverage, as Locke wouldn't dare attempt any underhanded knife-in-back stuff, not with moony Sawyer there to play bodyguard. Yeah, you could say it was a contrived way to set up the possibility of more sex scenes between the old Hydra humpers. Still, it felt like classic Jack emotional dunderheadedness. You could tell Kate wasn't thrilled with Jack treating her like a pawn on a chessboard, and my hunch is that what we really saw in the moment was the beginning of her dawning realization that as much as she may dig Jack's cheese, he's got a lot more getting over himself to do before they can have a flash-forward future together, much less swap valentines and spit


He's got a point. We know that Jack clearly can't get over whatever the deal is with Kate BIG EGGTOWN SPOILER: raising Aaron, so maybe it is a little bit about Jack needing to get over himself... (as much as I hate to say it!)


Anyhoo, Sawyer's you-complete-me pitch may have swayed Kate, because she didn't return to Happy Helicopter Valley with Sayid and Charlotte. The ''I blew it'' look that passed across Jack's face when Sayid told him the news was pretty priceless; it reminded me of House of Meetings, Martin Amis' novel about brothers in love with the same woman, who go from being stuck in a Soviet gulag to struggling to return to ordinary life — very Oceanic 6. But I'm probably digressing.
Huh. Sounds like a cool book. I wonder how it ended? *runs to go google it*

[razgriz]

I'm going to be hyperventilating over this episode!:panic:

Everything has to go right for Jack and Kate.:)

[beauty_is_truth]

Ahhh you guys got me super excited now, and not nervous at all :D skate is the past indeed and we have the future which is a much better thing to have, clearly. sweeeeeeeet.

[isehs_111]

i dont know...i am still VERY nervous and panicky about the episode :shifty: :o

[Tinkletoes]

Can't wait to see this eppi!!! :hyper:

I'm a bit curious over the eppi title "eggtown" though :eh:

[razgriz]

i dont know...i am still VERY nervous and panicky about the episode :shifty: :o


Same here!

I cannot talk bad about another ship so I'll leave it up to you to fill in the blanks.

I love Kate episodes. Those who think her back story is boring, they obviously aren't a fan of Lost in my opinion.

[EmotionalOne]

I can't wait for this episdoe and it being a kate episode makes it that much more exciting! !

[Caroo]

Can't wait to see this eppi!!! :hyper:

I'm a bit curious over the eppi title "eggtown" though :eh:

So am I.

I heard there's something called Eggland and didn't it mean something that has to do with court, etc.?

[Count2Five]

So am I.

I heard there's something called Eggland and didn't it mean something that has to do with court, etc.?

The episode was previously titled "Eggland" until they changed it to "Eggtown."

[VetteAMJ]

Are you Jaters nervous about how in the preview Skate was getting some serious action?

No. cuz its not shocking at all. im more pissed off than anything else right now.

[Count2Five]

No. cuz its not shocking at all. im more pissed off than anything else right now.

Yeah me too, I'm like "Seriously Kate, c'mon!"

[J.A.T.E.]

Something tells me that this will be the best jate eppy ever. :)

btw. only 2 days :hyper:

[DaiLena]

uh..this might be completely irrelevant:cool: but there's an EggTown in the movie(animation) called 'The Easter Egg Adventure'.

I was reading its synopsis the other day and one sentence grabbed my full attention:

Benedict and Harriet love each other, but they can never find the courage to express their feelings to one another.

it reminds me of Jate in some way :o...

[Natih]

I'm just ignoring all the skate stuff...call it denial but I think the Jate is gonna be mind blowing:hyper:

[Tinkletoes]

^ I really do hope so!!! :hyper: :D

[Crispo]

I can't even begin to describe my exitement for this episode! :hyper: :w00t:
The Jate FF scenes:love:

[Live together]

This is TEH episode I've been waiting for :thud:

[JateIsJexy]

I seriously cannot wait for this episode :hyper: :hyper:

[vanilla_cloud]

Kates expressions in the promos :thud: she is SO looking at Jack!!!!!!!!!! WOW! She never gives Sawyer the looks she gives Jack; whether they're the cute ones :love: or the intense :cloud9:
Cannot waaaaaaait!!

[Lostbeth]

This is TEH episode I've been waiting for :thud:

same here :nod: never been THIS EXCITED ABOUT AN EP. :w00t:

[xxkirsty06xx]

:D Really excited about this episode

sounds great -- then again all Kate episodes are :p

[Freckles Juice]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.

[sparklestar]

OMG so can't wait for this episode, all the Jate angst and that Skate canoodling, kissing stuff im so not worried about that.

Eggtown here we come:w00t:

[foxy_caz]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.
nahahahahaaha you are sooo wrong, what are you doing in the jaters section anyway?

[Tani_hatcher]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.

To quote Jack Sparrow (mmm Johnny Depp) "Keep telling yourself that darling!" :p

Sawyer had his chance! Its Jack's turn dangit!!:p:)

All kidding aside I can see where you are getting, TPTB love to antagonize the jaters and skaters, and they just LOVE to drag things on (especially this blasted triangle, quadrangle because, heck, it gets ratings). Plus Sawyer has alot of appeal to many fans so I am wondering if he will be revealed as one of the six....hopefully we will know soon.

[Natih]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.

lol are serious??? :p

[sparklestar]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.

L0L...... You've got be kidding right

[foxy_caz]

dont read unless you wanna know who the oceanic six are
sawyer isnt, so theres nothing to worry about;)

[IslandofMystery]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.
Dude you clicked the wrong section - you need to go to the Kate and Sawyer section ;)

[Freckles Juice]

Yep, dead serious.

I don't think Jack is going for sloppy seconds. I don't think Kate will hook with Danny boy, and I think Sawyer does now, and forever will have Kate wrapped around his red neck finger.

If Jack and Kate do hook up again I will lose a lot of respect for both of their characters. I can stand some flirting, but anything beyond that makes them both look week and desperate.

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm just sharing my not so humble opinion. :cool:

[sparklestar]

Wrong department mate...Skaters are the department below us.

[beauty_is_truth]

dont read unless you wanna know who the oceanic six are
sawyer isnt, so theres nothing to worry about;)

LOL I was expecting that you actually wrote them :rolleyes: that just made me laugh

Freckles Juice: Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6. He's probably still on the island. Jack however is one of the 6 and rescued with Kate. Soooooooo yeah. You do the math. :D I'm not trying to hate, but yeah, this section doesn't seem like it's for you.
I don't think this is a debate thread, this is the Jate section. I think there must be a thread for Jate/Skate debate somewhere but not in here.

[soyblakia]

Yep, dead serious.

I don't think Jack is going for sloppy seconds. I don't think Kate will hook with Danny boy, and I think Sawyer does now, and forever will have Kate wrapped around his red neck finger.

If Jack and Kate do hook up again I will lose a lot of respect for both of their characters. I can stand some flirting, but anything beyond that makes them both look week and desperate.

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm just sharing my not so humble opinion. :cool:

Your opinion is accepted but maybe you should consider going to the skater's section where you will be gladly and more openly accepted. The fact that you post an anti-jate opinion in the jaters section will only start a fight that is certainly not needed.

[foxy_caz]

Yep, dead serious.

I don't think Jack is going for sloppy seconds. I don't think Kate will hook with Danny boy, and I think Sawyer does now, and forever will have Kate wrapped around his red neck finger.

If Jack and Kate do hook up again I will lose a lot of respect for both of their characters. I can stand some flirting, but anything beyond that makes them both look week and desperate.

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm just sharing my not so humble opinion. :cool:
well your ''humble'' opinion isnt pleasing anyone here, only stirring things up, so if i was you i would post your ''humble'' opinion in the skater thread ;)

[nessie]

Wrong department mate...Skaters are the department below us.

literally and metaphorically? :giggle:

[foxy_caz]

LOL I was expecting that you actually wrote them :rolleyes: that just made me laugh

Freckles Juice: Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6. He's probably still on the island. Jack however is one of the 6 and rescued with Kate. Soooooooo yeah. You do the math. :D I'm not trying to hate, but yeah, this section doesn't seem like it's for you.
I don't think this is a debate thread, this is the Jate section. I think there must be a thread for Jate/Skate debate somewhere but not in here.
lol no i dont remember all of them, all i needed to read was if sawyer was one and then i was all YAY and forgot about the others:giggle: ...anyways back on topic cant wait for this episode :D:D:D
:w00t:

[Freckles Juice]

I'm not saying Kate should be with Sawyer. I just think that is the way things turn out. Frankly I think she would be better off without either one of them. They are both bad news.

Who do you guys thing the "he" she referred to getting back to is? We know that isn't Jack.

[isehs_111]

I think they are going to reveal that Sawyer is one of the six.

I also think the entire Jate thing is over. Kate is with Sawyer now, and will most likely be with him after the rescue.

Seriously, this was needless. Some of us Jaters are nervous, but this won't make it worse sweetheart :)

[sparklestar]

literally and metaphorically? :giggle:

L0L i meant that literally:giggle:

[foxy_caz]

I'm not saying Kate should be with Sawyer. I just think that is the way things turn out. Frankly I think she would be better off without either one of them. They are both bad news.

Who do you guys thing the "he" she referred to getting back to is? We know that isn't Jack.
again if you reallyreally wanna know it's aaron;) & why is jack bad news?:confused:

[soyblakia]

I'm not saying Kate should be with Sawyer. I just think that is the way things turn out. Frankly I think she would be better off without either one of them. They are both bad news.

Who do you guys thing the "he" she referred to getting back to is? We know that isn't Jack.

We know who "he" is and it's not Sawyer. If you want to know

BIG TIME EPPY 4 SPOILER

It's Aaron

So considering that Sawyer doesn't leave the island and that three years have gone by since Kate last saw him, i don't think the writers are heading towards Skate. It's pretty obvious which couple is the OTP, that is if you don't have any preference on ships. Otherwise you should consider changing sections.

[beauty_is_truth]

again if you reallyreally wanna know it's aaron;) & why is jack bad news?:confused:

Oh wow Aaron makes a lot of sense, I watched a sneak peak for this episode and Sawyer referred to Claire being Kate's roommate... (they have inhabited the Others' houses supposedly) hmmm!

Ahh this post is sooo spoilerific sorry! And off topic...

Ahhh this episode's going to be great.

Edit: hah yes soyblakia thanks for posting that... I guessed it ha I am so good. :banana:

[Freckles Juice]

My bad, I thought this was a general chat about the new episode and didn't catch your references that I was in the 'wrong section'. I'm a noob, forgive me.

I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.

[Natih]

My bad, I thought this was a general chat about the new episode and didn't catch your references that I was in the 'wrong section'. I'm a noob, forgive me.

well, looks like u've been around here since may 2007...but okay...anyone can make mistakes:rolleyes:


literally and metaphorically? :giggle:

:crackup:

[UKRoses]

I cant wait for this episode ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Starred]

I'm totally not stressing over this episode.

So many people seem to be worried about the Skate canoodling, but I honestly only see good things happening for Jate is this episode. Think about it- what good has ever come of Skex for Skate? My Jater heart is just about to explode with happiness. :lotsalove

[Lostbeth]

Skex will be the past... JATE WILL BE THE FUTURE
the plot of the ep.


GAH!
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8682/89412058ta3.gif

[razgriz]

Something tells me that this will be the best jate eppy ever.

btw. only 2 days

I hope so too!

[nikki7717]

Wrong department mate...Skaters are the department below us.

:giggle: sorry, that was funny to me. anyway,
I really doubt Skate will happen. Considering that practically their entire relationship is based off of skex and nicknames. (eggtown is an example). But, yeah since Jate is in the future and Sawyer is not one of the oceanic 6 or the other person that gets off the island, i don't think skate is likely to happen.

[StandardBlack]

This is a dumb question, but seriously, who else is completely, totally, pee-your-pants excited for THursday?? :w00t:

[Velvetyfox89]

^^ Oh I am! I am! Oh so absolutely psyched for this episode!! :hyper: I've been eagerly anticipating the next Jate FF crossover since the finale last May! I can't believe I'll be actually watching it in 2 days!! :hyper: 2 days until Jack tells Kate he loves her again! *le sigh* :love: :hyper: :thud:

[livin_4_foxy]

Skex will be the past... JATE WILL BE THE FUTURE
the plot of the ep.


GAH!
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8682/89412058ta3.gif

GAH INDEED
omgg kate trial kate trial :hyper::hyper:

eta:

Velvetyfox- WHAT? what do you mean jack tells her he loves her again?

[Velvetyfox89]

Velvetyfox- WHAT? what do you mean jack tells her he loves her again?

Doesn't he? In the Cab scene?:shifty:

[Truefate21]

Doesn't he? In the Cab scene?:shifty:

lol well actually I think its something like on the stand he lied when asked if he loved her still. So he just tells kate that he lied and that he does still...(love her I guess is implied). hehe Oh man I cannot wait for that@!!

:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:

[VetteAMJ]

We know who "he" is and it's not Sawyer. If you want to know

BIG TIME EPPY 4 SPOILER

It's Aaron

So considering that Sawyer doesn't leave the island and that three years have gone by since Kate last saw him, i don't think the writers are heading towards Skate. It's pretty obvious which couple is the OTP, that is if you don't have any preference on ships. Otherwise you should consider changing sections.

Uhoh. so i guess everyone has to have JIF view or else eh? :eh:


well, looks like u've been around here since may 2007...but okay...anyone can make mistakes:rolleyes:

well yeesh. rude much?

[Paterooni]

Uhoh. so i guess everyone has to have JIF view or else eh? :eh:


I have the JIF view and am still "something else"

It can be done!

[jafan4evr]

There's no need for everyone to argue, guys. VetteAMJ, I understand your concerns, but I think Natih and Sofia were just a little taken aback by this person coming into the forum with actively anti-jate comments (hence their responses). We're all a little bit on edge after some trolling issues, and I think everyone's just a little too serious right now. Let's just get back on topic, can we? :please:

[soyblakia]

Uhoh. so i guess everyone has to have JIF view or else eh? :eh:



Sorry, that wasn't supposed to come out like that:o I was just taken aback by a non-jater's post and was trying to kindly say that this wasn't the section for them. Sorry:o

[Gabs]

There is zero reason this thread should be here already, much less at 6 pages. Until the ep has aired, everything about it is a spoiler, and should be discussed in the spoilers thread. I'm locking this and will be going back through it. If I see any untagged spoilers, there will be ROBs.

[jafan4evr]

Discuss away :D

I'm watching right now, by the way. SO GOOD. Just saw the first trial scene.

[nessie]

Discuss away :D

I'm watching right now, by the way. SO GOOD. Just saw the first trial scene.

Ahh!
I won't be able to view the episode until later tonight (tomorrow for you folks)
This is one I cannot wait to see. Keep me updated, please :)

[jafan4evr]

askljdfasklfjdsa can't breathe. Just saw the scene where Jack testifies :thud:

First of all, the facial expressions were unreal. Great acting.

Jack pretty much lied his way through the whole testimony, he said that "only 8 of us survived the crash, ms. Austen pulled me out of the water, performed CPR on all of us" etc. etc.

OMG and then when the prosecutor asked Jack if he loved Kate, asdkljfsaljkfa, Kate totally perked up and listened, and then Jack when Jack said, "no, not anymore" her face absolutely fell.

I'm dead right now :thud:

[amberdawn]

Jack pretty much lied his way through the whole testimony, he said that "only 8 of us survived the crash, ms. Austen pulled me out of the water, performed CPR on all of us" etc. etc.

He broke the law for her. I love it. :thud:

[nessie]

askljdfasklfjdsa can't breathe. Just saw the scene where Jack testifies :thud:

First of all, the facial expressions were unreal. Great acting.

Jack pretty much lied his way through the whole testimony, he said that "only 8 of us survived the crash, ms. Austen pulled me out of the water, performed CPR on all of us" etc. etc.

OMG and then when the prosecutor asked Jack if he loved Kate, asdkljfsaljkfa, Kate totally perked up and listened, and then Jack when Jack said, "no, not anymore" her face absolutely fell.

I'm dead right now :thud:


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Gees, how insecure is Kate about Jack. I mean, there he is lying about what happened on the island, doesn't it occur to her that he may be lying about his feelings as well? Besides, admitting that he does won't help the testimony.
When will the girl learn?

More please :D

[puppiesnkittens]

Wow, great episode. I still think they did not answer anything in regards to Jack/Kate having a relationship in the FF. I had hoped they would give us something definitive. But the episode was great, terrific acting and it was made clear that she & Sawyer did not sleep together, which is good. And she seemed pretty resolute in her goodbye to Sawyer. What can happen now??

[Stun04]

Hey gang, I didn't watch, sorry I was watching Supernatural :giggle: Can anyone give me a quick synopsis of what happend? Do I need to hate Kate? I read she says goodbye to Saywer Is it a real goodbye or a I'm gonna say goodbye and then in a few episodes jump right back in bed with you? Also Did she ever slap him or was that a foiler? :)

[razgriz]

What else can I say?

Thank goodness for Jate, thank goodness for Jack, and thank goodness for Kate.:)

I'm still a bit floored by the whole episode.

It was great!

[Count2Five]

AMAZING EPISODE! I'm going to put my thoughts in spoiler caps for those who haven't watched yet:

So everything panned out the way I had hoped- lots of chimistry between FF Jate- we don't know yet if they were together in the past or not yet, but that's okay. They were both genuinely happy to see each other by the cab at the end- those smiles again! I loved it when he said, "I didn't mean it." :cloud9: :w00t:

Skate- it's obvious where Sawyer's loyalties lie. Although he might still care for Kate in a way, he runs and tells Locke the instant he knows Kate is up to something. That pissed me off! :mad: Then when he was all happy when she said she knew she wasn't pregnant- nice guy. :rolleyes: Most importantly, they didn't skex! This puts to rest all rumors of it being Sawyer's baby. Now we know for sure it Aaron! :w00t:

Now we just have to wait and see how Kate is received back at the beach...

ETA- Adam- has your faith been restored? We told you not to worry!

[jafan4evr]

FABULOUS EPISODE!!!!

I'm still trying to recovver!

If anyone wants to discuss it with some jaters, we're in a chat room right now. My AIM sn is TSRH3360 please come if you wanna chat!

[tiarna]

..Sorry but I have to ask

From what I could gage from the live episode thread, Kate wakes Sawyer up with a kiss?, she says she's not pregnant..& he's glad that she's not, but she answers "would it be the worst thing in the world"
Sorry, but what I got from that scene was that Kate wanted to stick with Sawyer, and left when he was a ass about the maybe pregnancy?

And I'm really not impressed with Kate passing Aaron off as her son..:mad:

[razgriz]

ETA- Adam- has your faith been restored? We told you not to worry!

I guess!:)

Until Kate returns to Jack on the beach, I'll be REALLY HAPPY!:w00t:

Evangeline better get an Emmy for this!

[Truefate21]

OH MY FREAKING GOD!!

FIRST OF JACK LOOKED SO DAMN FREAKING GOOD I MEAN HE LOOKED GORGEOUS BEYOND BELIEF at the trial and the taxi scene he looked sooooo goood!! :jawdrop::jawdrop::boom::flail:

Ok now the actual jate scenes ill review now and the rest later LOL.
the trial was amazing. Jack Shephard the honest doctor lied for his love how freaking romantic is that? :giggle::heart::heart: He got all teary eyed at the end when he lied that he didnt love her anymore and Kates face dropped, she looked soo sad despite it being her trial she instantly looked so much saddened when he said not anymore. GOD I loved this scene.

It was so powerful what he didnt say either how he just took secret glances from kate how you could tell how he was remembering all the times they have shared. WHOA.
:love::love::love::love::love::love::thud::thud::t hud::thud::bowdown:

Ok so the Taxi scene By the way kate looked really gorgeous in all of these FF so far lol. :cool: Ok so when he said her name and she turned to face him her face LITE UP. She looked so relieved that she got a chance to say thank you to him. :rolleyes::thud::bawl:

The talk they had was so emotional so raw. I loved it I mean the way jack said "I didnt mean it." She just looks at him with such emotion such care such love she nods as if she knew deep down he still loved her :gossip::cloud9::cloud9: THEN WHEN SHE SAID, "Do you wanna go have some fun, go to my place?" My jaw DROPPED so they have def done stuff off the island lol HAD FUN as she said lol. OMG it was great....

I have to watch these two scenes sooo many more times that was my quick review. WOW :cloud9::clap::clap::hyper::hyper: JATE IS FATE!!!!!!!!! and these FF def. prove it ooooo man

[beckaleck]

[QUOTE=DommyFan;2670356]AMAZING EPISODE! I'm going to put my thoughts in spoiler caps for those who haven't watched yet:

: Most importantly, they didn't skex! This puts to rest all rumors of it being Sawyer's baby. Now we know for sure it Aaron! :w00t:

Now we just have to wait and see how Kate is received back at the beach... QUOTE]

First off I agree no skex! was the best news ever. I was glad they made that very clear!

I can not wait to see how her reunion with Jack goes. Because I really need to know if they have some sort of fling after the island yet before the trial. There are so many time gaps right now it's hard to figure things out!!

[Count2Five]

..Sorry but I have to ask

From what I could gage from the live episode thread, Kate wakes Sawyer up with a kiss?, she says not pregnant..& he's glad that she's not, but she answers "would it be the worst thing in the world"
Sorry, but what I got from that scene was that Kate wanted to stick with Sawyer, and left when he was a ass about the maybe pregnancy?

And I'm really not impressed with Kate passing Aaron off as her son..:mad:

My impression is that Kate was thinking about her future and possibly wanting to have children one day. She liked living with Claire and Aaron and saw how Claire was with the baby- I think she wondered if she could ever do it.

My impression of her going to Sawyer was that she needed comfort. Sawyer was the only one she could turn to at the time after Locke "banished her." Also a part of her might have also wondered if their relationship could have been salvaged- hence the kiss in the morning. But Sawyer turned her off with the baby talk and Kate came to her senses, IMO.

As for Kate "passing Aaron off" as her son, perhaps she has no choice. They have to keep so many secrets. They were the only ones to survive the crash. No one else lived, etc. Who's baby is she going to say it is?

[razgriz]

Kate looked spectacular in the future scenes, but I prefer her covered in dirt and sweat!

Anyway, just amazing.

I'm still in disbelief over it.

Faith in Jate? Yes!:nod:

(hugs all Jaters!:uberglomp:)

[fer_reple]

..Sorry but I have to ask

From what I could gage from the live episode thread, Kate wakes Sawyer up with a kiss?, she says she's not pregnant..& he's glad that she's not, but she answers "would it be the worst thing in the world"
Sorry, but what I got from that scene was that Kate wanted to stick with Sawyer, and left when he was a ass about the maybe pregnancy?

And I'm really not impressed with Kate passing Aaron off as her son..:mad:


The "wake up kiss" made me mad, seriously...wtf? lol

[razgriz]

The "wake up kiss" made me mad, seriously...wtf? lol

It meant nothing. Just meant a kick in the privates to Sawyer later!;)

Really, that wass cruel, but true.

Go Jate! Love this episode!

[Count2Five]

TrueFate21- love your review! :D

Best Jate episode I've seen so far IMO.

[Stun04]

I'm hoping that the whole Kate continually going to Sawyer all the while acting like she cares for Jack comes to an end not because I obviously want Jate to win but because that storyline just seems to cheapen Kate. It's hard to find her real when she keeps doing that. So I hope her whole goodbye to Sawyer is the real deal. It will be interesting When she gets back to the beach Especially if the rumor of the Jacket kiss is true. Jack may not respond to the kiss but if Kate finds out about it then maybe we will see her work to get Jack back. I'm thinking step one to the Get Jack Back Plan should involve a massage but thats just me :giggle:

[ayamor]

so this baby is Aaron then! aw i thought it was jate babay?

im so happy with this, we got our answer, jate forevars!

[razgriz]

I'm still thinking about it.

I cannot believe it.

It seems after almost a year, I've been in a nightmarish coma with little Jate, but now, I've awaken and feel alive!:hug:

Finally, the sun is rising and I'm looking at the sun rise with renewed strength.

[ayamor]

o m g i totally agree with you razgriz ! ive been in a state of depression concerning jate and i feel lifted now! *huggles*

[tiarna]

My impression is that Kate was thinking about her future and possibly wanting to have children one day. She liked living with Claire and Aaron and saw how Claire was with the baby- I think she wondered if she could ever do it.

My impression of her going to Sawyer was that she needed comfort. Sawyer was the only one she could turn to at the time after Locke "banished her." Also a part of her might have also wondered if their relationship could have been salvaged- hence the kiss in the morning. But Sawyer turned her off with the baby talk and Kate came to her senses, IMO.

As for Kate "passing Aaron off" as her son, perhaps she has no choice. They have to keep so many secrets. They were the only ones to survive the crash. No one else lived, etc. Who's baby is she going to say it is?

Their good points, but I think I'm just sick of Kate flip-flopping between two men, & I'm glad Sawyer called her out on it, I'll have to wait & watch the scene for myself, it just seems that she was willing to give it a go with Sawyer:rolleyes:


On the Aaron thing, I agree there may be a million reasons as to why she is raising him, but I didn't like that he called her mummy..Okay he's a toddler & if Kate's rasing him. then sure he's gonna call her that, but if Claire is still alive "somewhere" & didn't give him up willingly, then that is where my problem lies...:shrug:

But I guess these are all what-if points, guess we'll just have to wait.watch. and see:ponder:

[Truefate21]

TrueFate21- love your review! :D

Best Jate episode I've seen so far IMO.

OH I FULLY AGREE BEST JATE EPISODE FROM SEASON 3 AND SEASON 4 !!

[nightskiesfading]

Loved the episode, but I wish they would stop giving Kate the "I've been rejected, I'll go here!" thing, even if that's not what it's intended to be, it sure comes off that way, to both of the guys and to us viewers. I really liked the flashforward scenes though and I hope that this was Kate's awakening.

I think that it's possible Claire asked Kate to take Aaron, and it looks like Kate has done a good job caring for him, if Claire was either unable to leave the island or heaven forbid - dead :( (I'm spoiler free, just speculation!) I think the reason Jack can't see Aaron is because it reminds him of the people left on the island and perhaps because he has figured out Claire is his sister? I hope it's the latter.

One thing: I notice a few of you are spoiler tagging the episode and a few of you are spoiler tagging future episodes, please try and clear it up which is which, just in case someone looks into a tag thinking it's for this episode and it's for another.

Definitely a good episode for us :hyper: Nothing much on the island can upset me now, we have the flashforwards as a bookend.

[Stun04]

Anyone have clips of the Jate scenes?

[Count2Five]

Their good points, but I think I'm just sick of Kate flip-flopping between two men, & I'm glad Sawyer called her out on it, I'll have to wait & watch the scene for myself, it just seems that she was willing to give it a go with Sawyer:rolleyes:

On the Aaron thing, I agree there may be a million reasons as to why she is raising him, but I didn't like that he called her mummy..Okay he's a toddler & if Kate's rasing him. then sure he's gonna call her that, but if Claire is still alive "somewhere" & didn't give him up willingly, then that is where my problem lies...:shrug:

But I guess these are all what-if points, guess we'll just have to wait.watch. and see:ponder:

*Spoilers for Eggtown are tagged here for those who haven't seen the eppy yet*

Sure, I totally see where you're coming from. ;)

I too can't stand Kate's flip-flopping and if you ask me Sawyer has a right to call her on it and in fact maybe this propelled her to finally make a decision. (Hopefully.)

As for Aaron- who knows if claire gave him up willingly or not- it's too soon to tell. For all we know she couldn't get off the Island for some reason, handed him to Kate and said, "please raise him for me," figuring she'd never be getting off the Island, but wanting Aaron to get off. Way to many unanswered questions and it's all just speculation.

[razgriz]

I'm just going to say this politely, Locke is not in my good graces anymore!:no: :D

[Stun04]

I'm just going to say this politely, Locke is not in my good graces anymore!:no: :D

hehe you have sent him to the Naughty Hatch :giggle:

[jafan4evr]

Guys we really don't need to spoiler tag in here ;)

How freaking good was that episode?! I'm dead, seriously. SO GOOD.

The taxi cab scene?! :thud:

[Count2Five]

I'm just going to say this politely, Locke is not in my good graces anymore!:no: :D

I think he's losing his mind :shock:

[Hatsumomo]

Seriously, Jate was AMAZING tonight :boogie:

I felt a bit bad for Sawyer at one point, but I forgot about him pretty soon :p

Eggtown spoiler: The trial scene! Squuuueeeee! :love: And the Taxi scene! :thud: :faint:

Jaaaaate! :love:

[ayamor]

why are we spoiler tagging here? i mean, we can talk about tonioghts episode here right? i dont have to spoiler tag anything that happened in it, do i?

[Truefate21]

TOTALLY WORTH THE WAIT! I LOVED HOW SHE SLAPPED HIM AND HARD!!

I hate how she woke him up with a kiss I really really hated that LOL buuuut thats ok because i LOVED everything oh so jatey in this episode

[jafan4evr]

Does anyone have clips of the episode?

[Stun04]

Does she slap him before or after the *shudders in disgust* kiss?

[nightskiesfading]

Locke was really interesting to me in this episode, it seemed as if he generally wanted to be a good leader, making everyone dinner and everything, but was just fed.up. by the end. But then, I love Locke so it takes a while to get him out of my good graces :p

Oh, and if anyone who has to wait for the episode wishes to read about it in detail, my recap is here: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=2670662

[ayamor]

i dont think clips are gonna be up soo soon jafan4evr

[Count2Five]

Did anyone get the impression that Jack might have thought "Kate's son" was Sawyer's baby? (Because she doesn't say his name by the taxi) Or do you think he knows for sure it's Aaron?

[ayamor]

Did anyone get the impression that Jack might have thought "Kate's son" was Sawyer's baby? (Because she doesn't say his name by the taxi) Or do you think he knows for sure it's Aaron?

i think he knows for sure that he has some kind of connection to the baby because why would she invite him to see Sawyer's baby you know? so no, he def doesnt think its sawyers or anything.

[razgriz]

i think he knows for sure that he has some kind of connection to the baby because why would she invite him to see Sawyer's baby you know? so no, he def doesnt think its sawyers or anything.

It is his nephew, Aaron.;)

[Truefate21]

I believe they will be up tommorw morning....the clips I mean

[IrishUnicorn]

Did anyone get the impression that Jack might have thought "Kate's son" was Sawyer's baby? (Because she doesn't say his name by the taxi) Or do you think he knows for sure it's Aaron?

Personally, I believe he knows that it's Aaron, because I think he would have known if she were pregnant, since they've both been in the news. I also believe he knows the reason she has him.

[nightskiesfading]

Did anyone get the impression that Jack might have thought "Kate's son" was Sawyer's baby? (Because she doesn't say his name by the taxi) Or do you think he knows for sure it's Aaron?

I think that he knows it's Claire and he knows that he is the uncle. I've tossed this idea around with several people but maybe he is either reminded of Claire or of his father's infidelity, or even of the lies he has to tell himself, and that's why he doesn't want to see the baby. I think if Aaron was given to Kate, Jack would know about it. They've both been in the news and Jack obviously has kept up with Kate's trial, he would have known if she was pregnant off the island. And on the island, he would have to be her doctor!

[Count2Five]

Personally, I believe he knows that it's Aaron, because I think he would have known if she were pregnant or not since they've both been in the news.

True you have a point- plus I'm also thinking Jack's going to see everyone who gets off. Just speculation though.

ETA-NightSkiesFading- I tend to agree with you and fall on your side of thinking. I was just a tad bit worried that Jack had the wrong idea, lol.

[jafan4evr]

I think that he knows it's Claire and he knows that he is the uncle. I've tossed this idea around with several people but maybe he is either reminded of Claire or of his father's infidelity, or even of the lies he has to tell himself, and that's why he doesn't want to see the baby. I think if Aaron was given to Kate, Jack would know about it. They've both been in the news and Jack obviously has kept up with Kate's trial, he would have known if she was pregnant off the island. And on the island, he would have to be her doctor!

I agree. Absolutely Jack would have known if Kate was pregnant. Maybe Jack just feels guilty for possibly leaving Claire on the island (among the others who weren't the Oceanic 6) and, therefore, separating her from her baby. The guilt might just be too extreme?

[ayamor]

It is his nephew, Aaron.;)

oh yeah i know that now, i was just answering to someone that was wondering whther Jack thinks its sawyers or something

i wish it were jate baby tho :(

[Count2Five]

oh yeah i know that now, i was just answering to someone that was wondering whther Jack thinks its sawyers or something

i wish it were jate baby tho :(

Who knows- maybe we'll get one soon! lol ;)

[razgriz]

oh yeah i know that now, i was just answering to someone that was wondering whther Jack thinks its sawyers or something


Jack probably thinks it is Sawyer's but right now, who knows what Jack, Kate and the rest went through?

He probably is so depressed that he is questioning everything which leads him wanting to go back.

[Count2Five]

Jack probably thinks it is Sawyer's but right now, who knows what Jack, Kate and the rest went through?

He probably is so depressed that he is questioning everything which leads him wanting to go back.

I agree about his depression and questioning. You can even see him starting to go downhill even now. In Hurley's flashback he had started drinking already. In this flashback, we see him with that beat up old Jeep instead of his nice car. His demenour is also different when talking to Kate, when she says, "I unerstand why you don't want to see him now." He gets very emotional. Poor Jack :(

[Lost_with_Jack89]

Dont know if anyone's said this...but I dont really wanna read through 9 pages!

Maybe Jack doesnt want to see Aaron because he had something to do with Claire possibly dying or being left behind on the island? Like, it's partly his fault for Claire's death or her still being on the island.

Just a thought.

Oh, and I definitely thought that Jack and Kate had googly eyes for each other :D

[nightskiesfading]

I may be the only one in here who thinks this, but I really hope the baby is not Jack's. I had a hunch the entire episode it was Aaron, but towards the end when she was asking him if he wanted to see it, I was teriffied a "your child" was going to pop in there. If it's Jack's child, I would expect Jack to be there, and not be an estranged father like Sawyer is. I can understand with it being Aaron that he has extra-complicated baggage there and can be excused from not wanting to see his father's illegitimate grandson, but not his own son.

[ayamor]

Lost_with_Jack89 loooove that avie!

[Truefate21]

I may be the only one in here who thinks this, but I really hope the baby is not Jack's. I had a hunch the entire episode it was Aaron, but towards the end when she was asking him if he wanted to see it, I was teriffied a "your child" was going to pop in there. If it's Jack's child, I would expect Jack to be there, and not be an estranged father like Sawyer is. I can understand with it being Aaron that he has extra-complicated baggage there and can be excused from not wanting to see his father's illegitimate grandson, but not his own son.

OH I FULLY AGREE I dont want it to be jacks not yet why would he not want to see his own kid. It has to be Claires Aaron.....IT HAS TO BE lol

[Hatsumomo]

I may be the only one in here who thinks this, but I really hope the baby is not Jack's. I had a hunch the entire episode it was Aaron, but towards the end when she was asking him if he wanted to see it, I was teriffied a "your child" was going to pop in there. If it's Jack's child, I would expect Jack to be there, and not be an estranged father like Sawyer is. I can understand with it being Aaron that he has extra-complicated baggage there and can be excused from not wanting to see his father's illegitimate grandson, but not his own son.

I completely agree, Courtney :nod: I was really hoping that it wasn't Jack's as well. As much as I'd love a Jaby, that would have meant that Jack wasn't being a part of his son's life, and that he resented the baby. That would not be good for Jate at all :no:

[Count2Five]

I may be the only one in here who thinks this, but I really hope the baby is not Jack's. I had a hunch the entire episode it was Aaron, but towards the end when she was asking him if he wanted to see it, I was teriffied a "your child" was going to pop in there. If it's Jack's child, I would expect Jack to be there, and not be an estranged father like Sawyer is. I can understand with it being Aaron that he has extra-complicated baggage there and can be excused from not wanting to see his father's illegitimate grandson, but not his own son.

No, I totally don't see it being Jack's at all. It's either Aaron or Sawyer's and I believe TPTB went the extra mile to tell us it's not Sawyer's. With Kate's "I know I'm not pregnant," and not "going all the way." They made it a deliberate point even in the dialogue to spell it all out for us.

For it to be Jack's and him not to respond and not be there would be against his character. For it to be Aaron and for Jack to know this, and know all the history of whatever they went through and not to want to have a reminder of it- I think is plausable.

[beth1104]

That episode was Evi's best. Matthew was wonderful. I loved it when Sun asked Jack where Kate was and he said that she stayed....with Locke!!!!! LMAO. And when asked again later...he didn't answer. LMAO. He's so completely in love with her.

Kate and Sawyer tonight proved to me that they are really only "Friends with benefits." I think they are way past wondering if there is any love between them. He knows that she is completely confused, otherwise, why bring up Jack all the time. She is comfortable with Sawyer because she knows that he does care about her. He's a lumpy couch that she can disappear into when she needs comfort. But, she made it clear tonight that she is no longer running. She's going to face her demons head-on. Staying on the island where it's safe is not her choice.

I will sleep well tonight...dreaming of Matthew Fox with longer hair in that gorgeous suit. Someone...for the love of all that is good and holy...write some fanfiction! The scenes that they shared and the eye contact between the two characters were incredible...soul crushing. Their relationship while still so undefined, is so much deeper than anything she shares with Sawyer. But, I still love Sawyer. He called Kate on her duplicity and her reaction said it all. She and Sawyer are truly "friends with benefits" and nothing more. Sawyer needs to find himself a new "friend!"

JATE is FATE!!!

[ayamor]

I completely agree, Courtney :nod: I was really hoping that it wasn't Jack's as well. As much as I'd love a Jaby, that would have meant that Jack wasn't being a part of his son's life, and that he resented the baby. That would not be good for Jate at all :no:

that's true, it wouldnt be good for the relationship and it wouldnt be the honorable jack we know, i agree now.

[Count2Five]

That episode was Evi's best. Matthew was wonderful. I loved it when Sun asked Jack where Kate was and he said that she stayed....with Locke!!!!! LMAO. And when asked again later...he didn't answer. LMAO. He's so completely in love with her.

Kate and Sawyer tonight proved to me that they are really only "Friends with benefits." I think they are way past wondering if there is any love between them. He knows that she is completely confused, otherwise, why bring up Jack all the time. She is comfortable with Sawyer because she knows that he does care about her. He's a lumpy couch that she can disappear into when she needs comfort. But, she made it clear tonight that she is no longer running. She's going to face her demons head-on. Staying on the island where it's safe is not her choice.

I will sleep well tonight...dreaming of Matthew Fox with longer hair in that gorgeous suit. Someone...for the love of all that is good and holy...write some fanfiction! The scenes that they shared and the eye contact between the two characters were incredible...soul crushing. Their relationship while still so undefined, is so much deeper than anything she shares with Sawyer. But, I still love Sawyer. He called Kate on her duplicity and her reaction said it all. She and Sawyer are truly "friends with benefits" and nothing more. Sawyer needs to find himself a new "friend!"

JATE is FATE!!!

I totally agree! :w00t: :D

[jafan4evr]

That episode was Evi's best. Matthew was wonderful. I loved it when Sun asked Jack where Kate was and he said that she stayed....with Locke!!!!! LMAO. And when asked again later...he didn't answer. LMAO. He's so completely in love with her.

Kate and Sawyer tonight proved to me that they are really only "Friends with benefits." I think they are way past wondering if there is any love between them. He knows that she is completely confused, otherwise, why bring up Jack all the time. She is comfortable with Sawyer because she knows that he does care about her. He's a lumpy couch that she can disappear into when she needs comfort. But, she made it clear tonight that she is no longer running. She's going to face her demons head-on. Staying on the island where it's safe is not her choice.

I will sleep well tonight...dreaming of Matthew Fox with longer hair in that gorgeous suit. Someone...for the love of all that is good and holy...write some fanfiction! The scenes that they shared and the eye contact between the two characters were incredible...soul crushing. Their relationship while still so undefined, is so much deeper than anything she shares with Sawyer. But, I still love Sawyer. He called Kate on her duplicity and her reaction said it all. She and Sawyer are truly "friends with benefits" and nothing more. Sawyer needs to find himself a new "friend!"

JATE is FATE!!!

Great post!!

I freakin LOVED this episode! I have to go now, but I'll just say a couple things.

-FF Jack is HOT :thud:
- I love maternal/protective mother Kate. She has really grown up, and it's very cool.
- Skate cracks me up. Sawyer is always cracking jokes and being insecure, Kate is always trying to shake him off. It's hilarious :crackup:
- Jack's testimony :thud: And Kate's face after he said "no, not anymore". I died

Okay, and my FAVORITE jate part:

Kate: "You wanna follow me, come to my place for a visit?" :thud: :thud: :thud:
Clearly, disguised in that sentence was the real meaning: "Wanna follow me home, have some wine, make out, hook up?" :thud:

Sucks that Jack has to be an idiot about baby Aaron. :blank:

Still, AWESOME episode :love: :love: :love:

[Count2Five]

I know- when he saw her drive away I was like "Jack- go after her you dum dum!" LOL ;)

[beth1104]

I thought the same thing. That taxi cab scene just screamed for a kiss or a hug or something!!! I was sitting there watching and screaming in my head...Kiss her/him you idiot!!!

[Count2Five]

I thought the same thing. That taxi cab scene just screamed for a kiss or a hug or something!!! I was sitting there watching and screaming in my head...Kiss her/him you idiot!!!

Ditto here! lol :D

[Truefate21]

Ditto here! lol :D

HERE TOOOO!!! THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN JATE AT THE TAXI --> :letsparty:glomp::dance2::valentines::valentines:: valentines:

HEHEHE

[Count2Five]

HERE TOOOO!!! THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN JATE AT THE TAXI --> :letsparty:glomp::dance2::valentines::valentines:: valentines:

HEHEHE

hahahaha! Yup! :crackup: :D

[beauty_is_truth]

Man I REALLY hope Jack gets over his hangups with the baby Aaron and gets with Kate and they make a little family awww!!!!!!!!! :love:

Who knows if he knows Aaron is his nephew, and what happened to Claire, it might bring back bad memories for him. I have a feeling we will find out why he doesn't want to be part of Aaron's life. I just really hopes he changes his mind. Jack....!!!!!!!! Why did you do this?! :no:

[beth1104]

Her deal to go free involves her not leaving the state, or as the prosecutor put it - "Stay put." Kate is finally "free" but she can't leave the state. Jack is asking her in TTLG to go with him back to the island. She's finally free...10 years probation and no leaving the state...no wonder she looked heartbroken at the airport. It's going to be interesting to see if she plays it safe and stays put or risks everything to go with Jack back to the island. I hope she takes the risk and leaves with him. If that happens, she would really not ever want to go back, since she's broken her deal with the court. Adam and Eve....indeed.
:)

[Count2Five]

Her deal to go free involves her not leaving the state, or as the prosecutor put it - "Stay put." Kate is finally "free" but she can't leave the state. Jack is asking her in TTLG to go with him back to the island. She's finally free...10 years probation and no leaving the state...no wonder she looked heartbroken at the airport. It's going to be interesting to see if she plays it safe and stays put or risks everything to go with Jack back to the island. I hope she takes the risk and leaves with him. If that happens, she would really not ever want to go back, since she's broken her deal with the court. Adam and Eve....indeed.
:)

For sure- if she goes back to the island she can never go home again. She would be on the run again at home for violating her probation. On the island she would be safe- b/c no one can really find it and it's almost "invisible" so to speak. I'd love to see her just go with him.

[nightskiesfading]

Man I REALLY hope Jack gets over his hangups with the baby Aaron and gets with Kate and they make a little family awww!!!!!!!!! :love:

Sadly we have to see Jack's downward spiral (which I am personally really excited for) and then see what Kate's role is in all of it as well as what she is going to do with going back. I'm interested to see where their meeting place comes from, as well as why she makes him stop calling her, is she afraid for Aaron with Jack on drugs? I'm really excited for this season as a whole, the plot lines on the island and in the flash forwards, even excluding Jack/Kate, i'm excited for the show as a whole. Which I was not so much last season.

[nessie]

Are any clips of the episode up? They usually are by this time.

[Count2Five]

Sadly we have to see Jack's downward spiral (which I am personally really excited for) and then see what Kate's role is in all of it as well as what she is going to do with going back. I'm interested to see where their meeting place comes from, as well as why she makes him stop calling her, is she afraid for Aaron with Jack on drugs? I'm really excited for this season as a whole, the plot lines on the island and in the flash forwards, even excluding Jack/Kate, i'm excited for the show as a whole. Which I was not so much last season.

I agree. I think the flashforwards add a whole new dynamic to the show and telling the story from that POV just makes it so much more exciting and interesting.

[jafan4evr]

Yeah, they're on youtube but we aren't supposed to post them here. I think if you PM Luanne, she can send them to you ;)

From LOSTBLOGREVIEWS review of the episode:

But before she leaves, Kate sneaks off to Sawyer's condo and the two start the groping and the kissing and the whatnot. But this isn't the sex-fest we witnessed in the bear cages. The nookie goes cold when Kate tells Sawyer that she definitely is not pregnant and Sawyer does an end-zone celebration. Kate's maternal instinct is starting to emerge (hence ... Aaron), and she doesn't appreciate Sawyer's reaction. She slaps Sawyer and runs off to the beach before that harlot Juliet digs her Other talons into Jack.
:crackup: at the Sawyer does an end-zone celebration bit :giggle:

[Tani_hatcher]

Omg I loved tonights eppy! Nearly wept with joy at the end!

Skate's rain of terror is ending! *knocks on wood for good measure*

I was so relieved to her Sawyer say "I can understand not going all the way last night.." I think those were the first words I actually enjoyed hearing out of his mouth. Oh yeah and "Same as I've always done Kate, survivin."

I loved that little look Jack gave Kate when he walked up to the stand. Aww that man is just a sweetie!

JATE IS FATE GUYS!!!

[Spinnaker]

OMG

Why Is Jack reluctant to see Aaron, they're even related!? Why don't they just get their family on, stupid Jack!
He could be hittin' that daily and nightly, and ever so rightly! You know that's all he's thinking about.

[nessie]

OMG

Why Is Jack reluctant to see Aaron, they're even related!? Why don't they just get their family on, stupid Jack!
He could be hittin' that daily and nightly, and ever so rightly! You know that's all he's thinking about.

:rotflol:

[middleman]

wow! lurker here but all your posts got me ecstatic enough to finally comment! hehehe! i'm so hyped up and jealous! can't wait to watch this eppy!! :w00t:

[arc]

I'm glad I didn't read too many spoilers prior to seeing the ep, although I knew about the whole Aaron situation (the set-up was obvious though). The FFs were good, more in depth than I thought (fabricated story about the crash and eventual rescue? Aaron symbolising guilt, remorse and regret of previous actions?). There wasn't even any skex (not that I'm complaining). I laughed at his reaction when Kate told him that she wasn't pregnant, talk about putting your foot in it. At least Sawyer called Kate out on see-sawing between him and Jack. Finally that triangle is coming to an end...?

[Lostbeth]

OMG THIS EP WAS :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud:
EVERYTHIN WAS PERFECT ! EVERYTHING !!!!!!!

[jate4eva&eva]

OMG :thud: :thud: This ep was SO SO SO GOOD!!! :thud:

I loved everything about it :w00t: Even the skex :eh:

Oh God that scene in the court room was brilliant :thud: Jack had little tears in his eyes :love: And Kate was nearly crying by the taxi too :thud:

I will return with more intelligent posts once I've re-watched it :rolleyes:

[seige]

T.H.E B.E.S.T E.P.P.Y E.V.E.R !! :thud: :thud: :thud: I think I can die happy now...

Evangeline and Foxy performance was unbelievably brilliant! :heart: They're are the best couple in history of television, seriously...

[Lostbeth]

same here. I've to go to school now.

i loooooove how she said "this is my trial." :love: she really loves HIM.

seriously how perfectly is Sawyer for telling kate how she feels !
The moment i heard Skex scene 4 was coming up + the baby thing I thought...well ain't she just finding a reason to break up with him...cause she KNEW that Sawyer would be happy about the baby...and the reason she didn't have sex... JACK

and the FF was even better than I imagened :thud:
although I would love for Kate to have given Jack a kiss on the cheek when she left.

.."If at any time you change your mind- come and see us.."

:thud:

"No, not anymore." GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH :thud:

[Caroo]

OMG you're all making me hyper to watch it and I gotta go too school!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Giuly82]

Any clip?

[jate4eva&eva]

Any clip?

Search youtube and you are bound to find that someone has uploaded the scenes ;)

I can't get enough of this episode :hyper: Now I have to go to school and I won't see it again until I get back :(

[Velvetyfox89]

:jawdrop: Goodness gracious me! That episode was amazing!!

"I didn't mean it"

*long stare/glassy eyes*

There's no denying it They. Are. In. Love. With. Each. Other. :thud: :faint: :thud:

[charlxxx]

WOW!! LOVED IT !!!

I Loved it when Sawyer said 'you're just looking for an excuse to split and now you got one' and Kate didn't deny it at all !!

Aww and the little smile Jack did to Kate when he walked into court :love: ! And how he laughs when he says 'Kate..Ms Austen'!

AWWW when Jack says 'No not anymore'..such a good trial scene!! Just look at Kates face !!! He lied under oath for her !!!

The taxi scene was so cute !!! 'You owe me one ;)'..i just loved everything about that scene !! OMGOMG!! When he says 'i just wanted to say..what i said in there..i didnt mean it' !! Something has so obviously happened off the island between them !! And he opens the door for her !! Such a gentleman :p !!

I'm not scared about anything on the island now after seeing this !! How can we be ?! They both still love each other !!

[jate4eva&eva]

Kate didn't want Jack to get into trouble for her :love: When she stopped him from lying for her on the stands...:love:

Sorry I'm just randomly saying stuff :o

[Emily34]

^I know and she gave him this look that I absolutly looove :love: when she stops him.

[jate4eva&eva]

^I know and she gave him this look that I absolutly looove :love: when she stops him.

Yeah I saw that too :) :love:

http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap333.jpg

"No, not anymore" :bawl: :thud:

[Mulderette]

I am glad you all seem to be really taken with the episode. Unfortunately I am not. I guess it might be due to the fact that I was spoiled, and that ruined much of it for me. But I also did not like a few elements of the story.

First of all: Why did Kate go to Sawyer at all after Locke told her to leave? She did not need a place to stay, as she was bunking with Claire. I hate that she went to him for comfort.

Even worse, the scene when she woke up in the morning. All this kissing and getting all hot and bothered. Even if she did not want to 'go all the way', she definitely inititated the making out.

Then, I did not think her decision to go back to the beach seemed logical. One minute she is making out with Sawyer, the next she says she is going to the beach. What, are we supposed to believe that she decided to do that this very second? My Jaterheart doesn't like that. I thought she only wanted to stick around for Miles. If she was not against making out with Sawyer, why didn't she stay with him in the first place? It did not take much for her to be convinced to sleep at this place.

Finally the FF: She seemed cold towards Jack at the trial, but okay, that's understandable in light of what is going on. But the taxi scene. Jack basically told her he loves her and wants to be with her, but he doesnt want to see Aaron? I mean, he knows Aaron is with Kate, and he wants to be with Kate, so how did he think this was going to work logistically? He was going to date her and never see her (Claire's) son? Or did he just want to hang out with her from time to time without a serious commitment? I don't like this either.

All in all, I was disappointed by what this episode could have been, but was not. I just hope that Kate's reunion with Jack is going to be emotional. From Spoilers we know that Jack is going to share a kiss with Juliet in 406, I don't like it and I only hope there will be some satisfying element for us Jaters to it.

There is one thing I like about the fact that there are only going to be 5 episodes instead of 8 after the break. Damon and Carlton said that they are only going to focus on the most important stuff, and leave all non-essential things out of it. Now, if they do show us some Jate scenes, then we have confirmation that Jate is defintely important to the essence of this show, and not just something to keep Fangirls and -boys interested.

[Lee]

Wow, this episode was so good! I loved Jack's sadness back at the beach, the court scene, but especially the taxi one! They look so good together all cleaned up btw. ;) I thought it was cute how it had it's classic Jate awkwardness at first and then Jack brought up lying about not loving her and you can just see that melts her heart and he gets the invite home, aww. Can't these two ever touch or something, though?! Geeze. :D

Anyways, I think Jack can't accept Aaron right now, because he finds out that's his nephew and here he is lying about things and he can't even claim he ever knew his own sister. And it all depends on what happened to Claire and I'm sure he will get a massive guilt trip , I bet. He seems to be in the denial phase right now.

Skate- It was so obvious she stayed for her own agenda but then once she got told that they know she's a criminal she ran straight into his familiar arms that accepts that part of her. That was so funny how Sawyer accused Kate of looking for any reason to split, lol. Those two got trust issues.

Oh, and I don't know if this has been posted but I was watching 4x3 tonight and they had it with those little recaps at the bottom and at the the scene where Sayid asks if Jack wants on the helicopter too it said "There's only one thing that could keep Jack from leaving the island...Kate." :heart:

[nessie]

Can someone PM me the link to the taxi scene - I can't find it

[Live together]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hsknfd-ZEOA

:love:

[jate4eva&eva]

I did like Sawyer in this ep, I actually feel quite sorry for him :( I'm glad he called Kate out on the whole flip-flopping thing :rolleyes:

http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap786.jpg

A moment ago I saw this cap and nearly started crying :o
They are so frakking in love :thud: :thud:

[BlueDream]

*closes eyes as to not spoil herself*

I´m watching it and I´m just on the part when they´re gonna call Jack for witness! :hyper: I´m not lying when I say that I´m literally bouncing in my chair from excitement :hyper: I havent felt this :hyper: about a scene ever since TMFT. I´m having a hard time resitraining myself not to go all :flail: well, just wanted to share my excitement! :o

[nessie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hsknfd-ZEOA

:love:

Thanks :)

Well, off to download and watch the entire episode now.

[Foxy4ever]

Yeah I saw that too :) :love:

http://www.gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap333.jpg

"No, not anymore" :bawl: :thud:

OMG! :faint:

[BlueDream]

*chants* Jack in suit :drool:, Jack in suit, :drool: :drool: Jack in suit :drool: :drool: :drool:

[gunerken]

guys i havent read your posts yet but i just seen the episode and wanted to share my thoughts before reading everthing here!


firstly:

i looooooooooooooooooooooooooved this episode! :w00t:

i just loved the trial scene but IMO the parking lot scene owns all the shipper scenes in this episode!

the looks and the smiles they gave eachother was just perfect! :thud: :love:

but what i loved about this episode was the paralels between on and off island scenes... the comparisons between jate and skate scenes were so clearly put and it was just ProJate from the begining till the end!

the first great paralel between jate/skate scenes were, when kate wanted to use sawyer for her personal reasons and showed zero discomfort by doing this; she didnt want to use jack in the trial!

freedom means everthign for kate and kate knew that jack's testify could help her but she didnt want him to get involved with her mess!!!
the moment she stand up and stop jack from lying anymore for her, i felt like i was gonna die because of excitement!!! this was her biggest chance to be free and by stoping jack from lying she chosen to risk her freedom!!!
i mean that was huge for kate! thats something she would never do in the past but here she was telling jack to stop, accepting what would come next! :thud: :thud:

another great paralel between jate/skate was:

kate never wanted to have a future with sawyer
kate is ready to have something real with jack

while on island, kate used sawyer's reaction to the pregnancy and a baby as an excuse to split; off island she was ready to wait for jack till he make up his mind about Aaron!

she didnt give any chance to sawyer (mostly because she never wanted to...)
while even after realizing why jack didnt come to her place she is leaving the door open for a relationship with jack! this scene reminds me the "you know where to find me" scene... jack knows where to find kate when he is ready and kate will be there waiting for him! :love: :love: :love:


sun is so my fav jater on the island! she asked kate twice to jack and jack's reactions clearly showed that hearing about kate has a great effect on jack! i wanted to hug him and tell him its gonna be ok and kate will come back and she never stayed for sawyer in the first place but darrrn im not a castmember :rolleyes: :p :D

i'll write more when i remember other details about this episode but guys, seriously i dont wanna see sad faces here toıday coz this episode was totally projate and it was also the funeral of skate!

one last thing:

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

:banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t: :banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t: :banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t:

[BlueDream]

squeeeeeeeeeeeee, the way he smiled at her! :faint: I half expected him to wink at her! :giggle: Oh and, shut up, the Prosecutor! :beatup:

[Velvetyfox89]

Oh, and I don't know if this has been posted but I was watching 4x3 tonight and they had it with those little recaps at the bottom and at the the scene where Sayid asks if Jack wants on the helicopter too it said "There's only one thing that could keep Jack from leaving the island...Kate." :heart:
Seriously!? Whoever does the captions are such Jaters! :love: :giggle:

Oh I was just watching the taxi scene again (I'm addicted to it already:rolleyes:) and I just love how Kate leaves the offer of "coming for a visit" open. When I read the episode synopsis, for some reason I thought she'd be all cold to Jack and angry about not wanting to see Aaron and to some extent she was, but it wasn't half as bad as I thought it was going to be left at all. So I'm very happy with that. I certainly think our ship came out of this episode in a very strong position.

[apple82]

hi everyone...loved all the clips of the episode... my theory about jack not to want to see the baby: i think that aaron is special (like walt) but he has something to do with bad, really,really bad. do you remember season 1, and claire's fb?when she went to that man and he was terrified and scared?and maybe claire wanted him to go off the island and asked kate to take care of him as a mother, or simply she's dead.
anyway...the scene with kate's mum doesn't remind you of the glass scene in i do?i don't know, the lawyer that said:"i give you some privacy", the deal, and kate's "we're finished" against the door reminds me of jack's "we're done here".

[Emily34]

anyway...the scene with kate's mum doesn't remind you of the glass scene in i do?i don't know, the lawyer that said:"i give you some privacy", the deal, and kate's "we're finished" against the door reminds me of jack's "we're done here".

I totally thought that when it was on :rolleyes:

[Heinzy]

guys i havent read your posts yet but i just seen the episode and wanted to share my thoughts before reading everthing here!


firstly:

i looooooooooooooooooooooooooved this episode! :w00t:

i just loved the trial scene but IMO the parking lot scene owns all the shipper scenes in this episode!

the looks and the smiles they gave eachother was just perfect! :thud: :love:

but what i loved about this episode was the paralels between on and off island scenes... the comparisons between jate and skate scenes were so clearly put and it was just ProJate from the begining till the end!

the first great paralel between jate/skate scenes were, when kate wanted to use sawyer for her personal reasons and showed zero discomfort by doing this; she didnt want to use jack in the trial!

freedom means everthign for kate and kate knew that jack's testify could help her but she didnt want him to get involved with her mess!!!
the moment she stand up and stop jack from lying anymore for her, i felt like i was gonna die because of excitement!!! this was her biggest chance to be free and by stoping jack from lying she chosen to risk her freedom!!!
i mean that was huge for kate! thats something she would never do in the past but here she was telling jack to stop, accepting what would come next! :thud: :thud:

another great paralel between jate/skate was:

kate never wanted to have a future with sawyer
kate is ready to have something real with jack

while on island, kate used sawyer's reaction to the pregnancy and a baby as an excuse to split; off island she was ready to wait for jack till he make up his mind about Aaron!

she didnt give any chance to sawyer (mostly because she never wanted to...)
while even after realizing why jack didnt come to her place she is leaving the door open for a relationship with jack! this scene reminds me the "you know where to find me" scene... jack knows where to find kate when he is ready and kate will be there waiting for him! :love: :love: :love:


sun is so my fav jater on the island! she asked kate twice to jack and jack's reactions clearly showed that hearing about kate has a great effect on jack! i wanted to hug him and tell him its gonna be ok and kate will come back and she never stayed for sawyer in the first place but darrrn im not a castmember :rolleyes: :p :D

i'll write more when i remember other details about this episode but guys, seriously i dont wanna see sad faces here toıday coz this episode was totally projate and it was also the funeral of skate!

one last thing:

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

:banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t: :banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t: :banana: :boogie: :letsparty :dance2: :w00t:

AWESOME-AWESOME-just-awesome post!

[BlueDream]

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hey, Mummy. :love::love::love::love::love: That boy is sooooooooo adorable :love: I want one too :bawl:

[Heinzy]

:love:
i LOVE that tptb have managed to make an adorable murderer/mom :love: i thought only my mom cud pull it off...:shifty: awwww kate:love:

[guffi11]

:(

http://i035.radikal.ru/0802/e7/fea49ef1a4b3.jpg

:giggle:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x220/guffi10/4x04-cap841.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x220/guffi10/4x04-cap843.jpg

:giggle:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x220/guffi10/4x04-cap897.jpg

[gunerken]

kate doesnt trust sawyer and she was so right about that! ;)

sawyer went to locke and gave her away the moment she went to take miles to ben! :no:

now why did he do that? wasnt he supposed to help kate and detain Locke?

IMO that was another con by Sawyer! he knew that locke would be pissed off kate so when this happen he would be there to save the day, be kate's hero! ;)
and he was right about it! kate went to sawyer when locke kicked her out!

but the point of that scene was she went to sawyer, after miles adviced her to stay and after locke kicked her off!
kate was unsure about getting off or staying and she wanted to make sure she could stay if she wanted to! so she went to sawyer, told her about what locke said to her :rolleyes: and sawyer the great conman, conned in his own game "i will keep you safe. locke cant kick you out coz this is my place" Good job sawyer :clap:

in the morning kate changed her mind! but she needed a reason :rolleyes:
she already knew what sawyer was thinking and feeling about the pregnancy! she kissed him she kissed his chest knowing it would turn him on! and then she said "no" "i dont want to" :rolleyes: what did sawyer do? he asked if thats about pregnancy and kate said no, sawyer did the obvious and showed how much he was relived to hear that (but not because pregnancy kills but because what the hell they would do with a baby :no:) and kate immediatly started to wear her pants on and said she was going to the beach! even sawyer didnt buy it and said she was looking for an excuse :crackup:
you're right honey, she was looking for an excuse!

oh and the slap was soo good! :D


while skate scenes were that bad (in skatewise) jate scenes rocked!

all those emotions reflected in their eyes and the way they cared about eachother, the way they smiled and longingly looked into eachothers eyes :thud:

the only thing bad about jate scenes was i wished they could be longer (like 5 hours) :giggle:

[Heinzy]

:love: awwwww

[Huan_Solo]

Hi

Well I have not seen the chapter yet, but I'm a spoiler bitch, so I could not have avoided to see the screen captures of 4x04 and like, in addition, I had read the spoilers... I can do an approximate idea to me of what happens in every scene.

So if this the moment that Jack tells Kate about the coffe (he rejects her invitation)...

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5180/4x04cap834uu0.jpg

It's my imagination or she is close to cry??

[DaiLena]

In case there's anyone who hasn't seen the eppi yet, I made two clips of the Jate scenes :heart:(624×352):

trial:
http://www.fileflyer.com/view/BkPjvAg

cab:
http://www.fileflyer.com/view/A6S3PAT

:dance2::cloud9::thud:

[Clestat]

It has been so awesome!!

Huan, i agree, she was close to tears. What I really like most is her last sentence "if you change your mind...", she wants to wait for jack, she doesn't offer that possibility to sawyer, if sawyer doesn't want a baby, well, she is not the girl for him. But if it is jack the one who can't accept the baby she is willing to wait for him.

And sawyer is completely obssesed with jack, even the con guy knows that jack will always be in kate's mind and heart.

It's my first long post commenting on an episode, i'm sorry if my English is not good enough but i am so excited that i couldn't help posting!!


JATE IS FATE and from now onwards we shouln't dare to doubt.

[tracey1302]

Just watched it and wow wow wow wow wow :love:

Did anyone else start crying when Jack walked into the courtroom to testify? :o

This episode was so good for us !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :w00t::w00t:

Kate doesn't trust Sawyer, she didn't sleep with him, he ratted her out to Locke and he's wanting to play house? I mean, come on!! These two are so splitsville. I can't see them ever recovering from that to be honest.

Did anyone else notice, or was it just me, when he was holding her down on the bed, she so didn't like that, the emphasis on the wrists was such a cry out to hand cuffs and that's not what Kate wants, she wants to be free with Jack :love:

It was just so amazing. And oh my god the scene by the taxi. Their smiles and looks were just adorable :love: There's actually nothing that beats the look on Jack's face when he's telling Kate that he loves her. It's just amazing. I think it was better than the time when he actually said it. :love:

And now I'm not worried about anything in between because Jack loves Kate. He loves her so so much. And he never stops loving her. It's just beautiful. And now Kate has left Lockeville, and some might say that she only did it because Locke banished her but I don't believe that for a second. She had done what she needed to do, and didn't stay any longer. She did what she had to do. Something's gonna happen on the island. It's in the run up and it's been a long time coming. My God. This episode was amazing. I can't stop squeeeeeeeeeing.

And also... now we know who the 'he' is. And we also know why things break apart between Jack and Kate. He won't see the baby. Aaron seems to mean the world to Kate and she's not willing to be a part of Jack's life if he won't see the child. So basically, it's Jack that's preventing the two of them from being together off island. He wants to be with her so badly, but the second she mentioned Aaron, that was it.

OMG Jate is so the OTP.:w00t::w00t:

[Heinzy]

Just watched it and wow wow wow wow wow :love:

Did anyone else start crying when Jack walked into the courtroom to testify? :o

This episode was so good for us !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :w00t::w00t:

Kate doesn't trust Sawyer, she didn't sleep with him, he ratted her out to Locke and he's wanting to play house? I mean, come on!! These two are so splitsville. I can't see them ever recovering from that to be honest.

Did anyone else notice, or was it just me, when he was holding her down on the bed, she so didn't like that, the emphasis on the wrists was such a cry out to hand cuffs and that's not what Kate wants, she wants to be free with Jack :love:

It was just so amazing. And oh my god the scene by the taxi. Their smiles and looks were just adorable :love: There's actually nothing that beats the look on Jack's face when he's telling Kate that he loves her. It's just amazing. I think it was better than the time when he actually said it. :love:

And now I'm not worried about anything in between because Jack loves Kate. He loves her so so much. And he never stops loving her. It's just beautiful. And now Kate has left Lockeville, and some might say that she only did it because Locke banished her but I don't believe that for a second. She had done what she needed to do, and didn't stay any longer. She did what she had to do. Something's gonna happen on the island. It's in the run up and it's been a long time coming. My God. This episode was amazing. I can't stop squeeeeeeeeeing.

And also... now we know who the 'he' is. And we also know why things break apart between Jack and Kate. He won't see the baby. Aaron seems to mean the world to Kate and she's not willing to be a part of Jack's life if he won't see the child. So basically, it's Jack that's preventing the two of them from being together off island. He wants to be with her so badly, but the second she mentioned Aaron, that was it.

OMG Jate is so the OTP.:w00t::w00t:


I.T.A
awww, i think kate KNOWS about the Jack-claire sibling thing-his dad AND claire are on the island, ,maybe he feels like he let claire down by not getting her fof the island... and thats why he's reluctant-this ep showed one thing.KATE LoVES JACK.

[gunerken]

It has been so awesome!!

Huan, i agree, she was close to tears. What I really like most is her last sentence "if you change your mind...", she wants to wait for jack, she doesn't offer that possibility to sawyer, if sawyer doesn't want a baby, well, she is not the girl for him. But if it is jack the one who can't accept the baby she is willing to wait for him.

And sawyer is completely obssesed with jack, even the con guy knows that jack will always be in kate's mind and heart.

It's my first long post commenting on an episode, i'm sorry if my English is not good enough but i am so excited that i couldn't help posting!!


JATE IS FATE and from now onwards we shouln't dare to doubt.

your english is fine! dont be a stranger and please post more often :grouphug:

oh by the way i completely agreed with your points!


great catch about the handcuffs tracey1302 :clap:

[RedRobin]

I.T.A
awww, i think kate KNOWS about the Jack-claire sibling thing-his dad AND claire are on the island, ,maybe he feels like he let claire down by not getting her fof the island... and thats why he's reluctant-this ep showed one thing.KATE LoVES JACK.

thats what i think!

[Arctic Fox]

I havn't seen it yet, so I shouldn't be in here, but I can't help it :D
From what I've read, it sounds totally awesome! :D *can't wait to see it* :hyper:

[RedRobin]

^Same Here Manda i'm too weak! :giggle:

[tracey1302]

Also - just watched the courtroom scene again. Does anyone else think Kate looks disappointed after Jack says 'No.'

I'm trying to figure out if she knew he was lying.

[nessie]

When Kate said to Jack "if you change your mind...come and see us" and Jack responded with "Yeah okay" wearing that massive smile on his face, Kate sort of half rolled her eyes. Is it because she didn't believe that he would visit?
They just seem like two completely different people, I don't even know who I'm watching anymore. It saddens me.

[Natih]

Yeah...Jack was trying to act casual and even a little bit indifferent...Kate could tell that...and it saddened her:(

I totally think they've hooked up before...most likely at the Island...and then something happened (of course) that clearly made Jack feels bad(or guilty?) around Aaron. Yeah...because I do believe he knows Kate's son is Aaron...not sawyer's baby...that would be silly and poor writing...Jack would never be like that just because he thinks it's sawyer's son...that would be pathetic.:rolleyes:

The skate scene annoys me a lot...BUT...u can tell that Kate wasn't sad bacause Sawyer wasn't happy about THEM not having a baby....she was sad about HER not having a baby...this espisode showed how strong are Kate feelings about being a mother...
the slap was GOOD...and Kate didn't seem sad at all after it....I just hate the way they show skate as sex buddies...I lose a lil' of my respect for Kate everytime I watch her like that:shifty:

[gilly_bean970]

When Kate said to Jack "if you change your mind...come and see us" and Jack responded with "Yeah okay" wearing that massive smile on his face, Kate sort of half rolled her eyes. Is it because she didn't believe that he would visit?
They just seem like two completely different people, I don't even know who I'm watching anymore. It saddens me.

Nessie, come on, remember what Foxy said to EW. They have a big secret, a huge burden, a gross bond, that keeps them from interacting the way they would, Kate's not the Kate we saw on the island anymore, nor Jack is the Jack Shepard that we came to know. Kate has responsibilities with Aaron, and Jack can't even look back at their past, so Aaron is a big sign that says remember what happened?

But Kate understands him. I always thought that Jack never initiated anything with Kate because there were issues and he would be waiting for the appropriate time and condition where nothing would be an obstacle once they got together, of course that road was much trickier than he thought. Now I think Kate's approaching it the same way, she says, Jack if you can't accept what happened, we can not be happy, if you can't let it go, the pain and the regret will always be between us.. I think that's what's keeping her from being any further with him. She understands him, and it saddens her that he can't let go, but she has another responsibility that she needs to get to, Jack's nephew if they already know it, Jack and Kate will always have a connection. ANd I gotta say I'm loving it.

[BlueDream]

When Kate said to Jack "if you change your mind...come and see us" and Jack responded with "Yeah okay" wearing that massive smile on his face, Kate sort of half rolled her eyes. Is it because she didn't believe that he would visit?

I´ve just rewatched that scene and my interpretation is this one: I think Kate is just really sad that jack, for whatever reason it is, seems to not be able to accept aaron. it´s clearly from this episode, if not from the way she acted around him, than at least from her words, that she WANTS to BE with him. That she wants, to use sawyer´s words, play house with him. That she wants him to be present in her and aaron´s lives. The reason she reacted that way, in my opinion, is because she expected a different reaction out of jack. She expected him to follow her, and although he said yeah, okay. , i wasnt convinced in it, so i bet kate wasnt either.

As for Kate´s reaction to addressing her not being pregnant, and her comment about would it be the worst thing, I think it´s related to the fact that she wanted to be a mum. It was hinted in the scene she shared with Claire, when claire told her: you should try it one day (or something similar). and here is what ABCs recap said about that scene, which, in my opinion, just confirms that kate wanted to have a child:

As Kate thinks about that complication to her plan, Aaron starts to cry. Claire asks Kate to pick him up, but Kate is hesitant. She claims she's not good with babies and wouldn't want to make him more upset. Claire picks Aaron up, and he immediately calms down. Kate is impressed. Claire is so good with him. How did she know what to do?

See? Kate was impressed because Claire, who herself said that she didnt believe she would be a good mum, was such a good mum to aaron now. And that last comment, How did she know what to do?, is hinting at kate´s maternal instincts.

p.s. nessie, this was all that was said about that scene:

WHOOSH to Kate leaving the courthouse, and she finds Jack is waiting by the taxi. Kate thanks him for saying what he did. Though he's told that story so many times she almost thinks he believes it. Jack says he wanted to let her know he didn't mean what he said and asks if she wants to get a coffee. There's a flicker of hope in Kate's eyes, and she invites Jack over to see the baby. Jack says no, he can't. Kate says she knows why he doesn't want to see the baby. And until he does, there's no him and her getting coffee.

[Lee]

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I'm kinda digging the Muffin more nowadays. :) She can see how much Jack cares about Kate after Sun asks why Kate stayed behind again but I'm finally not getting the devious vibe off of her, woooo! I think she really likes Jack, but no matter as we see on the island and future. ;)

[jate4eva&eva]

I agree, Lee :) But remember 4x06she kisses him in 4x06 so lets not get too cosy with her :shifty:

Did anyone find it funny when Jack was trying the satellite phone and juliet cracked that joke about "911" but Jack was just :blank: about the joke? I found it friggin hilarious :crackup: :crackup: But maybe thats just me :rolleyes:

[gunerken]

I agree, Lee :) But remember 4x06she kisses him in 4x06 so lets not get too cosy with her :shifty:

Did anyone find it funny when Jack was trying the satellite phone and juliet cracked that joke about "911" but Jack was just :blank: about the joke? I found it friggin hilarious :crackup: :crackup: But maybe thats just me :rolleyes:

i know! he didnt even laugh LOL :rotflol:

i did tho :shifty:

[Natih]

Some points to add:

- Kate just went to Sawyer because of what Miles said to her...DUDE..it's so obvious...she thought that maybe staying on the island was the only way...and being with sawyer wouldn't be that bad...she was fooling herself...I can even say that she forgot about Jack for a moment. The morning after she wakes up still thinking that maybe things can work out...but something bothers her...she's not happy...u can tell when she rolls to the side on bed...her face is not a happy face...
When Sawyer reacts happy about the non pregnancy thing...Kate gets real...it won't work...he's not what she want....and the best part...she doesn't really looks sad...she just knows there's no other way now...she will have to leave the island and face the consequences.

- Now Kate thinks her and Jack don't stand a chance in the real world...she's going to jail...

- She cleary wants something with him in the FF...she was hopeful for a moment...but like I said before...Jack's trying to act casual and a bit indifferent...

- they've definitely hooked up back at the island....I just know it!!!! ^^

I'm feeling a lot better now...after rewatching the episode :w00t: Jate is meant to be...and she loves him!!!!

PS: Sun couldn't stop bringing up Kate, could she? :rolleyes: My poor Jackie boy:( but even Sun knows Kate doesn't love Sawyer coz she didn't even consider him as a reason for her to stay in the othersville:D

[Heinzy]

that episode was AWESOME. BEST EPISODE EVER.i've rewatched the SLAAAP so many times...and it NEVER gets old...!:love:

also=FF kate REFUSES to settle for anyone other than jack-she's gonna wait for him...:love:
sk are OVER.
;)

[soyblakia]

I just watched the episode and i have to say....I FREAKING LOVED IT!!!!!:banana:

My point of view:

1) Kate didn't go there for Sawyer and she didn't stay there for Sawyer. She knows it, he knows it, the whole world knows it except for Jack:shifty:

2) There was no affection whatsoever between skate through the whole episode until the last scene. And in that scene Kate is depressed thinking she's going to jail and thinking that maybe, maybe, it would be better if she stayed on the island. Sawyer told her to, Miles told her to and hell even she can't pretend that it wouldn't be a good idea to stay behind and avoid jail time. And yet, she doesn't stay there.

3) The reason she's leaving Locke Team isn't because Locke banished her but because she just wants to get off the freaking island. Sawyer was willing to cover for her and "keep her safe" so i guess it's pretty obvious she's not leaving Sawyer's side by force:rolleyes:

4) The night of "canoodling" was no problem for me coz like Sawyer said in the morning "She was sad" and she needed comfort. Comfort from a guy that gets her and cares for her so i wasn't too bothered. The only thing that bothered me was how Kate woke him up:shifty: But still, her denial to have sex with him made up for it:D Seriously, the only thing skate has is sex, if they take that away from them then it may not even be called a ship anymore:giggle:

5) The slap was just AWESOME! I actually have watched the slap scene more times than the trial scene:o And poor Sawyer...he gets slapped AND he's left there all hot and bothered:giggle:

6) Jack's face when he said to Sun that Kate stayed with Locke was just so saaaaaaaaaaaaad:( And then Sun (a total Jater, she can't even start to believe that Kate stayed back for Sawyer:giggle:) asked him again and Jack was too hurt to answer and Juliet looed knowingly at him...I loved that scene.

7)The trial was just :bowdown: Jack looked way hot:p and Kate was so taken aback and surprised, it was too freaking good. And then when she stood up to tell them to stop she gave Jack a look that said "Don't do this for me". She just doesn't want him to lie for her, she doesn't want to use him .UNLIKE Sawyer whom she's willing to use every fucking time:rolleyes: And when Jack said "No. Not anymore" you could clearly see he was lying and that he hated lying about it. He loves her so freaking much:bawl: Oh and did you see Kate's look? She was so disappointed;)

8)Sawyer's cleverness never ceases to amaze me. "You're just looking for a reason to split" right to the point:D He's always the one to realize Kate's true motives and always has the guts to say it out loud! Go Sawyer:clap: Oh and Sawyer's comment about Jack "I'll just wait for a week till you find a reason to get pissed at Jack and then bounce right back at me" was a slap in the face for those who thought that just because Kate slept with Sawyer, she actually made up her mind.:D Nope, not gonna happen:p

9)I see many people here seem to believe that Sawyer ratted Kate to Locke. I'm not so sure about that. I mean, that was the whole point of Kate using Sawyer. He was supposed to find a way to get Locke away from his house so that she could sneak in and talk to Ben. Even that iderscoop guy had said that Sawyer conned Locke in favor of Kate.

10) And last but not least...THE CAB SCENE!!!:thud::thud::thud:
It was so emotional...sweet...loving...so jaty...:p Jack was so cute with his car keys in his hands approaching Kate:giggle: And he LOVES HER!!!:D Although we already knew that Kate might need to hear it more often to realiz e it's true.;) And she immediately perked up and smiled inviting him to her place...And crap then Jack has to ruin it..mehh...:shifty: But i don't think Kate looked mad when she realized he didn't want to see Aaron. I actually thought she was very nice and understanding. I think Jack's problem is that he knows about his father and Claire and that the baby brings up his father's betrayal, that's why he's not keen on seeing him. And i think Kate doesn't blame him for it, coz when she said "I know why you don't want to see him" she didn't sound angry or disappointed just sad. She understands his reasons, but she also needs to make the baby her first priority, i mean that's what mothers do. But she makes it clear that she wants to see him thus the "If you change your mind...". Like Ozge said Kate seems willing to wait for Jack but not so willing to wait for Sawyer. That's gotta mean something;)

All in all, THIS EPISODE WAS SO FREAKING JATY!!! :w00t:

[Stun04]

Does anyone have a clip of just the slap? I need a giggle :D

[nessie]

Nessie, come on, remember what Foxy said to EW. They have a big secret, a huge burden, a gross bond, that keeps them from interacting the way they would, Kate's not the Kate we saw on the island anymore, nor Jack is the Jack Shepard that we came to know. Kate has responsibilities with Aaron, and Jack can't even look back at their past, so Aaron is a big sign that says remember what happened?

But Kate understands him. I always thought that Jack never initiated anything with Kate because there were issues and he would be waiting for the appropriate time and condition where nothing would be an obstacle once they got together, of course that road was much trickier than he thought. Now I think Kate's approaching it the same way, she says, Jack if you can't accept what happened, we can not be happy, if you can't let it go, the pain and the regret will always be between us.. I think that's what's keeping her from being any further with him. She understands him, and it saddens her that he can't let go, but she has another responsibility that she needs to get to, Jack's nephew if they already know it, Jack and Kate will always have a connection. ANd I gotta say I'm loving it.

You're absolutely right
Sometimes I tend to lose scope of the bigger issues that plague them, Jack in particular.

Some points to add:

- Kate just went to Sawyer because of what Miles said to her...DUDE..it's so obvious...she thought that maybe staying on the island was the only way...and being with sawyer wouldn't be that bad...she was fooling herself...I can even say that she forgot about Jack for a moment. The morning after she wakes up still thinking that maybe things can work out...but something bothers her...she's not happy...u can tell when she rolls to the side on bed...her face is not a happy face...When Sawyer reacts happy about the non pregnancy thing...Kate gets real...it won't work...he's not what she want....and the best part...she doesn't really looks sad...she just knows there's no other way now...she will have to leave the island and face the consequences.

There was no look of doubt as to whether walking out was the right thing to do, granted, she was hurt with Sawyer's comments about the pregnancy, but it didn't seem to wound her that deeply. Sawyer had a point; yeah he's not too bright on knowing when to implore a little delicacy, but Kate starting acting a little strange before he brought up the pregnancy. How many fights have they had in the past? And it usually just get's swept under the rug. I agree, in that Kate finally realised that it just wasn't going to work between them, but it did seem like she was just waiting for a reason to spilt, and she got it.

Oh, and did anyone happen to notice who co-wrote the episode?
Gregg!

[Heinzy]

I just watched the episode and i have to say....I FREAKING LOVED IT!!!!!:banana:

My point of view:

1) Kate didn't go there for Sawyer and she didn't stay there for Sawyer. She knows it, he knows it, the whole world knows it except for Jack:shifty:

2) There was no affection whatsoever between skate through the whole episode until the last scene. And in that scene Kate is depressed thinking she's going to jail and thinking that maybe, maybe, it would be better if she stayed on the island. Sawyer told her to, Miles told her to and hell even she can't pretend that it wouldn't be a good idea to stay behind and avoid jail time. And yet, she doesn't stay there.

3) The reason she's leaving Locke Team isn't because Locke banished her but because she just wants to get off the freaking island. Sawyer was willing to cover for her and "keep her safe" so i guess it's pretty obvious she's not leaving Sawyer's side by force:rolleyes:

4) The night of "canoodling" was no problem for me coz like Sawyer said in the morning "She was sad" and she needed comfort. Comfort from a guy that gets her and cares for her so i wasn't too bothered. The only thing that bothered me was how Kate woke him up:shifty: But still, her denial to have sex with him made up for it:D Seriously, the only thing skate has is sex, if they take that away from them then it may not even be called a ship anymore:giggle:

5) The slap was just AWESOME! I actually have watched the slap scene more times than the trial scene:o And poor Sawyer...he gets slapped AND he's left there all hot and bothered:giggle:

6) Jack's face when he said to Sun that Kate stayed with Locke was just so saaaaaaaaaaaaad:( And then Sun (a total Jater, she can't even start to believe that Kate stayed back for Sawyer:giggle:) asked him again and Jack was too hurt to answer and Juliet looed knowingly at him...I loved that scene.

7)The trial was just :bowdown: Jack looked way hot:p and Kate was so taken aback and surprised, it was too freaking good. And then when she stood up to tell them to stop she gave Jack a look that said "Don't do this for me". She just doesn't want him to lie for her, she doesn't want to use him .UNLIKE Sawyer whom she's willing to use every Smurfing time:rolleyes: And when Jack said "No. Not anymore" you could clearly see he was lying and that he hated lying about it. He loves her so freaking much:bawl: Oh and did you see Kate's look? She was so disappointed;)

8)Sawyer's cleverness never ceases to amaze me. "You're just looking for a reason to split" right to the point:D He's always the one to realize Kate's true motives and always has the guts to say it out loud! Go Sawyer:clap: Oh and Sawyer's comment about Jack "I'll just wait for a week till you find a reason to get pissed at Jack and then bounce right back at me" was a slap in the face for those who thought that just because Kate slept with Sawyer, she actually made up her mind.:D Nope, not gonna happen:p

9)I see many people here seem to believe that Sawyer ratted Kate to Locke. I'm not so sure about that. I mean, that was the whole point of Kate using Sawyer. He was supposed to find a way to get Locke away from his house so that she could sneak in and talk to Ben. Even that iderscoop guy had said that Sawyer conned Locke in favor of Kate.

10) And last but not least...THE CAB SCENE!!!:thud::thud::thud:
It was so emotional...sweet...loving...so jaty...:p Jack was so cute with his car keys in his hands approaching Kate:giggle: And he LOVES HER!!!:D Although we already knew that Kate might need to hear it more often to realiz e it's true.;) And she immediately perked up and smiled inviting him to her place...And crap then Jack has to ruin it..mehh...:shifty: But i don't think Kate looked mad when she realized he didn't want to see Aaron. I actually thought she was very nice and understanding. I think Jack's problem is that he knows about his father and Claire and that the baby brings up his father's betrayal, that's why he's not keen on seeing him. And i think Kate doesn't blame him for it, coz when she said "I know why you don't want to see him" she didn't sound angry or disappointed just sad. She understands his reasons, but she also needs to make the baby her first priority, i mean that's what mothers do. But she makes it clear that she wants to see him thus the "If you change your mind...". Like Ozge said Kate seems willing to wait for Jack but not so willing to wait for Sawyer. That's gotta mean something;)

All in all, THIS EPISODE WAS SO FREAKING JATY!!! :w00t:


I.T.A
this ep was long due from the writers-it CLARIFIED kate's emotions for me sooo much, it showed parallels between how much she lvoed jack and how little she ''loved'' soya;)
AWESOME.
and damn, kate cleans up.v.v.v.nicely:shifty: jack better hav a good reason to turn her down:p
and i think he does...AWESOME EP.

[Stun04]

I think he's uncomfortable because perhaps he knows Claire is alive. So he feels guilt about leaving her behind and since they said 8 survived the crash and 6 survived the island. I didn't see but I'm going to assume Kate is saying the baby is hers? If thats true that might make Jack uncomfortable. Knowing Claire might be out there while someone else raises her child. Even if it is Kate and he loves her come on we all know the size of Jack's guilt complex. I think that is why he is the the way he was in his FF. The sight of Aaron is probably a huge reminder of everyone who didn't get off the island.

As for Kate returning to the beach, sorry to say but let the groveling begin. She has a lot of wooing to do if she is serious about Jack. And the Jacket kiss just might be the kick in the rear she needs to get her priorities in order to GET JACK. hehe Operation: GET JACK. Let the games begin :D

[Heinzy]

TOTALLLY


and sophia, i dont think soya helped kate to con locke;)
he infact ratted her out to keep his standing with locke neutral...thats why he lied to her and sed i had to make him think u conned me too or sumthn
as for Jacketiss - thats jst another delay really, because k wont feel as if she has a right to say anythng to jack about him n juju, after what she did with soya-but imo-our kate is RESTLESS;) and somthn's gonna give v.soon...


ETA
Actually-now that i think abt it... Kate cud always be all pissy with him and when he says somethn she'll be like 'right-because you love ME'-and he'll be all...'wha?say waaaa?' and she'll give him a look and he'll click on its about juliet...
either way-things are lookng good for us...

[razgriz]

OMG you're all making me hyper to watch it and I gotta go too school!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

:hug::glomp:

Trust me, it will be worth the wait!

[Jater22]

I just rewatched with the kids and :thud: That was a great Episode!

[Stun04]

TOTALLLY


ETA
Actually-now that i think abt it... Kate cud always be all pissy with him and when he says somethn she'll be like 'right-because you love ME'-and he'll be all...'wha?say waaaa?' and she'll give him a look and he'll click on its about juliet...
either way-things are lookng good for us...

This is total speculation on my part that why I'm not putting it in spoiler tags. But I would love to see Kate come back, sense a change in Jack and Juliet (it might be little or big) so she tries to stay away a bit, which would also be a great opportunity for Kate to grow as a person on her own. I'm not wild about Kate literally jumping from Sawyer's bed to Jack's so a little time for her on her own would be good for her. But eventually she will get impatient and I could, like you said Heinzy, snap at Jack about his relationship with Juliet. I can see an argument where he is like uh excuse me all followed up with an angry but soon to be passionate kiss hehe. At least that is how I would write it, :rolleyes: but who knows what the writers are actually going to do

[razgriz]

Is it just me or did anybody find Kate's mother to be more cold hearted despite wanting to see "her grandson"?:blank:

Personally, I was hoping that Diane would forgive Kate for murdering Wayne.

Who knows? I think Kate's mother is delusional and has her priorities messed up.

[Paterooni]

Cold hearted how? I felt really really bad for her

[razgriz]

Cold hearted how? I felt really really bad for her

Well, the only reason why she wanted to see Kate is because she wanted to see her "grandson" and not forgive Kate. Maybe tell Kate that she loves her and that she is sorry.

[Heinzy]

she's got the whole 'ya make yer bed and sleep in it' complex...:no: i felt bad for her-but wasnt too impressed with her...:no:

[Jater22]

Is it just me or did anybody find Kate's mother to be more cold hearted despite wanting to see "her grandson"?:blank:

Personally, I was hoping that Diane would forgive Kate for murdering Wayne.

Who knows? I think Kate's mother is delusional and has her priorities messed up.

I think that's the way she was, but now I think those tears were genuine (well...not genuine...:rolleyes:she's an actress, but you know what I mean) I think the fact that she didn't come to court and testify proves that she has begun to forgive.

She said when she thought she was dead, it changed everything...and I think the tears proved she meant it.

[Stun04]

I think I always assumed Diane was dead, shows how much I know :eh:

[razgriz]

she's got the whole 'ya make yer bed and sleep in it' complex...:no: i felt bad for her-but wasnt too impressed with her...:no:

Thanks!

Anyway, I feel sorry for Diane that she has cancer.

However, I find it wrong for her to choose an abusive man over her own daughter but that is just me.

It is complicated.

Anyway, that was some great Jate last night!:)

Sawyer got his just desserts!

[soyblakia]

I think Diane really feels bad about what she did to Kate but i can't really blame Kate for not wanting to talk to her. Honestly, unless my mom does something like that i won't be able to understand what it feels like to be betrayed by the woman who gave you birth:shifty: So i'm neutral.

[Heinzy]

i dunno...kate learnt the tricks of the trade from sumwher:shifty:...*cough*mamamia*cough*
anyway.AWESOMEJATE.

ETA
i do...my mom totally told my dad i scratched the car...:no:
i was GUTTED...and as a result-iher favourite vase MAY have met an untimely demise...circle of life.:shifty:...pffft

[Stun04]

Have a Great Jate day everyone. I'm off to go see Vantage Point. *sigh* Foxy :drool:

[Jater22]

i can't really blame Kate for not wanting to talk to her.

I totally agree with you! If I was in Kate's situation, I would not let my Mom anywhere near the baby!

Although.... If Aaron really is Claires' son, she also might not want her anywhere near him because she might know that she's lieing cause he looks nothing like her. So she might have dual motives there.

[Heinzy]

ooor kate jus doesnt her son/aaron to be around someone who thinks so low of her.

[Jater22]

Yes, but a 2 year old would never understand anything she could possibly do or say. He would never even remember meeting her.

[Heinzy]

yeah i guess, but i dunno-i wouldn't want her anywhere near aaron if he was my kid-look at the effect she had on kate-she set a v.bad example for katiepuff...and now katiepuff is v.confused adult...

[Natih]

2) There was no affection whatsoever between skate through the whole episode until the last scene. And in that scene Kate is depressed thinking she's going to jail and thinking that maybe, maybe, it would be better if she stayed on the island. Sawyer told her to, Miles told her to and hell even she can't pretend that it wouldn't be a good idea to stay behind and avoid jail time. And yet, she doesn't stay there.

Exactly...Kate spend the whole episode treating Sawyer as nothing more than a tool...She dos not trust him, she didn't stay for him, she did'nt have sex with him, she slapped him ...and even though he was willing to keep her safe...she just can't see them together. NOW..If people didn't realize that Kate doesn't love sawyer after all that...I don't think they ever will...because it only could be any more obvious if she has said it :rolleyes:


6) Jack's face when he said to Sun that Kate stayed with Locke was just so saaaaaaaaaaaaad:( And then Sun (a total Jater, she can't even start to believe that Kate stayed back for Sawyer:giggle:) asked him again and Jack was too hurt to answer and Juliet looed knowingly at him...I loved that scene.

I KNOW...Sun couldn't stop bringing Kate up, could she?:rolleyes: Poor Jack...he's still hurt!!! But even Sun knows she didn't stayed for sawyer:D...and she's like...kate's best friend on island:p



10) And last but not least...THE CAB SCENE!!!:thud::thud::thud:
It was so emotional...sweet...loving...so jaty...:p Jack was so cute with his car keys in his hands approaching Kate:giggle: And he LOVES HER!!!:D Although we already knew that Kate might need to hear it more often to realiz e it's true.;) And she immediately perked up and smiled inviting him to her place...And crap then Jack has to ruin it..mehh...:shifty: But i don't think Kate looked mad when she realized he didn't want to see Aaron. I actually thought she was very nice and understanding. I think Jack's problem is that he knows about his father and Claire and that the baby brings up his father's betrayal, that's why he's not keen on seeing him. And i think Kate doesn't blame him for it, coz when she said "I know why you don't want to see him" she didn't sound angry or disappointed just sad. She understands his reasons, but she also needs to make the baby her first priority, i mean that's what mothers do. But she makes it clear that she wants to see him thus the "If you change your mind...". Like Ozge said Kate seems willing to wait for Jack but not so willing to wait for Sawyer. That's gotta mean something;)

ITA...Kate is willing to wait for Jack...she's giving him space(I think she has been giving him space since they got back...but seeing him at the trial made her think he was ready to move forward with their relationship:)...poor Kate...she seemed so hopeful:()...BUT it's more than obvious that she wants to BE with him...

[Heinzy]

EXACTLY.the WAY she looked at him...:love: she cud jus eat him up and i wudnt mind at this point:p
awww..evi was absolutely MAGNIFICENT ...Foxy was extraordinarily hot...:love: and hurley was...hurley:love:

[Natih]

The reason why I believe Jack knows Kate's son is Aaron it's because Kate said "The baby" and NOT "My son" when she was talking toJack....I think that really means something

[sinking815]

Now understand that this could be my overexcitement about the Jate hints we got last night, but did anyone see the shift in exactly WHO was standing between Jack and Kate? I think the writers brilliantly extracted Sawyer (though I honestly did feel for him... kinda sucks man) from being the antagonist to the Jate relationship and made Aaron that obstacle between them! :shock: Essentially, they've told us that Jack and Kate are the ultimate endgame (though we all knew that from S1 Ep1 ;)) BECAUSE they continuously keep them apart.

I don't know about the rest of the Jate world, but I totally feel like we've just started up the Jate hill and haven't even come close to approaching the precipice!

[Heinzy]

EXACTLY!:D

and its totally claire's aaron-or why else wud tptb lead everyone to believe it was soya's in the first three quaters-then play the SHOCK MUSIC when she says aaron;) and end the ep?;)
JIF

[Jater22]

The reason why I believe Jack knows Kate's son is Aaron it's because Kate said "The baby" and NOT "My son" when she was talking toJack....I think that really means something

Yeah, I said the same thing to my husband too :nod:

[Truefate21]

Now understand that this could be my overexcitement about the Jate hints we got last night, but did anyone see the shift in exactly WHO was standing between Jack and Kate? I think the writers brilliantly extracted Sawyer (though I honestly did feel for him... kinda sucks man) from being the antagonist to the Jate relationship and made Aaron that obstacle between them! :shock: Essentially, they've told us that Jack and Kate are the ultimate endgame (though we all knew that from S1 Ep1 ;)) BECAUSE they continuously keep them apart.

I don't know about the rest of the Jate world, but I totally feel like we've just started up the Jate hill and haven't even come close to approaching the precipice!

YOU JUST HIT THE NAIL ON THE COFFIN SO TO SAY THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM THINKING TOO

[JateIsJexy]

OMG OMG OMG OMG

JATE IS AWEOSME
LOST IS AWESOME

I loved that episode :thud:
It was great :faint:

[soyblakia]

I also loved the "I don't trust you" line. Well, let's just say that love without trust is...crap.:p

[Caroo]

OMFG :thud: :thud:

That was a hell of an episode.
Jack/Kate scenes were explosive and I liked the Sawyer/Kate scenes too :nod: :p


Goooood episode. Best this season.

[Foxy<3]

:w00t: OMG. I just seen the courtroom clip and the taxi scene and all I can say is oh my god.

Kate is totally in love with Jack :giggle:

and vice versa.

not that we didn't know that already ;)

That taxi scene was soooo good, the best Jate scene we've had in ages and ages, imo.

:D:D:D:D

[Tali]

great epiisode!!..as always :p...i really love this season:love:

Jack was so HOT:drool::thud::love:

[Arctic Fox]

:hyper:
Ok ok ok I know I shouldn't have because I always wait till Sunday to watch the latest episode on Sky but I couldn't help myself :o so I watched the trial scene and the carpark scene online :D
And oh my. I totally see where you were all coming from before now! Amazing scenes. Absolutely amazing. :love:
And I'm sure I'll be back to this thread when I've watched it all on Sunday! :D

[Backpack]

I really liked the fact that when Jack was lying on the stand and going on and on about Kate's heroism (what's that about?!?) she stopped him from talking and having to continue to lie on her behalf. She cares enough about his integrity that it was hard for her to let him go on lying. *sigh*

LOTS of great JATE moments last night!:w00t: I can't wait to see what's in store for these two. Obviously the feelings they share don't change with time. :D

[foxy_caz]

i really wanna see the JK scenes can someone please give me a link?
prettyplease?:o

[Live together]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsknfd-ZEOA

:love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsknfd-ZEOA

:love:

[foxy_caz]

:w00t::w00t::love:
THATS WAS SOO UNDESCRIBABLE ohmygoodness it was just so...WOW & i know im like ten years late with squeeing, but the taxi scene had me all...JIFJIFJIF & omggg theyre so in love :D jacks a dumbo for not going man but i still love him:rolleyes:
thank you soo much for those scenes i have been waiting all day:glomp::boogie:

[buffyfan145]

I LOVED this episode!!! :love: It's going down as one of my FAVS!!! :w00t:

Everything was just AWESOME!!! :boogie: Here are my thoughts on some things:

Jate:
I LOVED their flashfoward scenes!!! :love: You can just tell Jack and Kate are in love with each other and want to be together SO bad!!! :cloud9: And Jack lied on the witness stand for her!!! :D And Kate invited Jack over!!! :love: And you can tell he really wants to so bad!!! :cloud9: It's just a matter of time till Jate is together!!! :heart: It's amazing and S4 is OURS!!! :nod:

Kate's "He" is Aaron!!!:
That was such a GREAT twist!!! I LOVE how Aaron is playing a bigger role again!!! I KNEW the Shephard family has a HUGE involvement with the main story!!!

I'm am 100% sure Aaron is Claire's son, and that Claire IS ALIVE!!! Something HUGE went down when the Oceanic 6 were rescued and they had to make up this fake story. Claire is probably still stuck on the island, and that's why Jack needs to get back to them. And why he's uneasy about seeing Kate and Aaron, even though he loves them. Jack keeps getting reminded of Claire everytime he sees Aaron and hears him call Kate "Mommy". That has to be so hard on Jack. Knowing that he needs to reunite his sister and nephew, that Kate is going to go through a LOT of pain giving Aaron back, but he needs to find the way to get back. Kate's attached to Aaron, and doesn't want to give him back, but when the Oceanic 6 DO go back, they'll have too!!!

I feel that Jack finds about about Claire and Aaron being his family sometime after Hurley's FF and before Kate's trial. Which even makes me think Jack, Kate, and Aaron might have actually spent time together before her trial started. It will be really cool seeing this all play out!!!


Aaron looks and acts just like Claire and Jack:
Look!!! He looks JUST like Claire and even WAKES UP just like Jack with his arm over his face!!! :cloud9:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/normal_4x04-cap888.jpg

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x15-maternityleave/1/normal_maternity-leave-cap030.jpg

:love:


The Lost / "Haunted" connection:
I even made a thread about this!!!! :D

I don't know why but seeing Kate and Aaron in the flashfoward, as well as with Jack reminded me so much of Matthew's old series "Haunted"!!! :shock: Mostly because of how the characters are looking in the future. If anyone didn't watch, "Haunted" was about a decetive Frank Taylor, who after almost dying starts to get visions from the dead to help him solve crimes. Well his ex-wife Jessica and Frank are estranged, but his near death brings them closer again. And the reason the split up was the abduction of their son Kevin. Well, when I saw the flashfoward, it reminded me of the show and of this picture of Frank, Jessica, and Kevin!!! :nod: Which I keep seeing similarites of Jack, Kate, and Aaron!!! :shock:

http://matthew-fox.net/gallery/albums/addons/11-27-06/haunted/1x03-fidelity/normal_fidelity106.jpg

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but their really is a resembelance!!! ;)

Skate is OVER:
Enough said!!! LOL :w00t: Go Kate for slapping him!!! :nod: He deserved it!!! :D

Hurley watching "Xanadu":
Claissic!!! As well as his Scobby-Dood line!!! :giggle: I don't care what he did last week. We know he'll regret it and he's still awesome!!!

Overall it was just AWESOME!!! :boogie: I know we are going to have a GREAT season this year for Jate!!! It's just written in it!!! :D

[Count2Five]

Awesome catches with those pics! Thanks so much! :D

[xxGoneforeverxx]

Okay, one of the best episodes of Lost so far (in my opinion!). I'm gunna spoiler tag just incase my any fellow Uk-ers or those who've not seen it yet pop into this thread.

Aaron Austen = Aaron Littleton? I think so...thats why Jack won't come to see him...because spoilers say that Jack and Claire find out they are siblings this season. So, like, Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew but doesn't want to get to close to him...dunno why though. At first I thought, oh that baby could be Sawyer's but I'm not to sure now. It just wouldn't make sence...why would Kate call the baby Aaron if it wasn't baby Aaron Littleton.

I wasn't really suprised when Jack (in the courtroom scene) said he didn't love Kate, not any more...I could soooo tell he was lying.

The story of the Oceanic 6...what is so important meaning that the Island cannot be revealed (I mean, why can't everyone know that some of the survivors decided to stay on the island?)?


I'm saying 10/10 for this episode!