4x03 Easter Eggs

[NJTigers08]

Every one of the episodes that opens on eyes has been a single open eye. This episode starts with Sayid's eye but its closed. Think this has some major significance?

[Fonstump]

maybe it means he's going to die, and is the person in the coffin.

[schnett1er]

I noticed that also, I definitely think it means something but haven't been able to figure it out!

[KAHANA]

Maybe Sayid has been corrupted so he is reversing his ways hence the eye closing

[The Chosen 1]

Didn't know where else to put this, but i just thought I would point out the three instances of the on going theme of this season tonight, which is the mirroring of an event or iconic image or event that has happened in a previous season, in reverse. From only watching it once and without REALLY looking for anything I noticed three instances this episode:

1. The opening of the show with closed eyes, as apposed to the legendary LOST open eye shots.

2. The Survivors bringing Ben, Ice Tea while keeping him prisoner in the barracks.

3. The one that hit me hardest, the mirroring of the iconic scene from the first season where a young Sawyer witnesses his father's feet walk into the room, from hiding underneither his bed. This time however it was Kate seeing, none other than Sawyer himself in the same manner.

[Blu_Butt]

I mentioned this is in the live episode party, but when Daniel was doing his weird thing with Regina you could see a building (house, shack, Jacob's cabin?) behind the helicopter. It was visible from where Jack and Frank were sitting under the tree. Neither of them seemed to care, and it wasn't there before, and no one has investigated it. Either I was seeing things, or they *weren't* seeing it. :eh:

[KAHANA]

whatever it said on the bracelet

[yellowstone_stev]

First episode of the season to start with a close up on eyes.

[vr6oom]

Maybe Sayid has been corrupted so he is reversing his ways hence the eye closing

You know what it seems like EVERYTHING / EVERYONE does a 180 off the island...everything flips.

[toongirl]

I mentioned this is in the live episode party, but when Daniel was doing his weird thing with Regina you could see a building (house, shack, Jacob's cabin?) behind the helicopter. It was visible from where Jack and Frank were sitting under the tree. Neither of them seemed to care, and it wasn't there before, and no one has investigated it. Either I was seeing things, or they *weren't* seeing it. :eh:

I thought I saw that too! Can't wait to rewatch tomorrow...

[Blu_Butt]

I thought I saw that too! Can't wait to rewatch tomorrow...

Ok, I feel like a dumb @$$. I have the DVR on pause... it's dirt from the hill side. :rolleyes:

[Fonstump]

Hurley didn't really change after he left the island.

[Irish Princess]

did anyone catch Sawyer mentioning shooting one of Ben's toes off
Hence the mysterious Statue??

[embee]

I'm thinking Sayid's eyes being closed really only had meaning for this ep. His eyes were closed because he was praying (presumably over N's body). Then the ep unfolds to show that future Sayid is Ben's button man. Twice in the ep Sayid closes the eyes of dead women. The ep beginning with his eyes closed may have simply been to reinforce the demonstrably conflicting themes of his faith and his affinity for employment that demands he hurt other people. Weird.

(heh, having an iside chuckle comparing Sayid to Willy Cicci) Don Locke says push a button he pushes a button. Don Linus says push a button he pushes a button. Poor Sayid.

[bobyo]

with regards to the flash forwards, have we not been getting the "whooshing" sound we get during the scene transition with any of them that we usually got with flashbacks? I noticeably found it absent with the last flash forward tonight.

[yellowstone_stev]

did anyone catch Sawyer mentioning shooting one of Ben's toes off
Hence the mysterious Statue??


Interesting connection!

[Faker1]

The passport with Ben's picture on it listed Ben's name as "Dean Moriarity" who is a character in Jack Kerouac's "On the Road." Or it could be a reference to Professor Moriarity from Sherlock Holmes, who is widely considered to be literature's first supervillian.

A bit about Kerouac's character:

Dean Moriarty is one of the protagonists in Jack Kerouac's novel On the Road. Dean grew up in Colorado with a hobo/bum for a father for whom he searches on many occasions. Dean's fanatic personality races from journey to journey and pulls other people along. His various fixations include drugs, women, intellectualism and finally, his father and family life. On the Road is known as a semi-autobiographic story, and Dean Moriarty was inspired by Beat hero and a close friend of Jack Kerouac, Neal Cassady.

About Neal Cassady:

Born in Salt Lake City and raised by an alcoholic father in Denver, Cassady spent much of his youth bouncing between skid-row hotels with his father and reform schools for car theft. Cassady proved to be the catalyst for the Beat Movement, appearing as the characters Dean Moriarty and Cody Pomeray in many of Kerouac's novels. Following a 1958 arrest for offering to share a small amount of marijuana with an undercover agent at a San Francisco night club, Cassady served a difficult prison sentence at San Quentin. He died on February 4, four days short of his forty-second birthday.

[kgdaog]

Don't think this is anything major-but the two timers Dan had when the "payload" arrived-the numbers appearing on the clocks both add up to 15-just worth noting another reference to one of "the numbers"

[the odi]

i am posting these here for now, because i do not know what thread this is being discussed in....

please feel free to move mods...thanks..

http://bp0.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R7UWdGf1d8I/AAAAAAAACLQ/umy4j6rAERQ/s400/time1.png
http://bp1.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R7UWdWf1d9I/AAAAAAAACLY/mni4tkXotNk/s400/time2.png (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-4x03-time-difference-on-island.html)

[stizzy]

i am posting these here for now, because i do not know what thread this is being discussed in....

please feel free to move mods...thanks..

http://bp0.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R7UWdGf1d8I/AAAAAAAACLQ/umy4j6rAERQ/s400/time1.png
http://bp1.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R7UWdWf1d9I/AAAAAAAACLY/mni4tkXotNk/s400/time2.png (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-4x03-time-difference-on-island.html)

Which of those was Daniel's and which was on the rocket?

[bobyo]

Which of those was Daniel's and which was on the rocket?


3:16 was the rocket.

[stizzy]

3:16 was the rocket.

Thanks :)

[jckent123]

did it seem like there was an awful lot of african atrifacts in ben's house?

then in the bed where elsa and sayid were in, the frame above the bed-looked like some african faces too...

[yellowstone_stev]

did it seem like there was an awful lot of african atrifacts in ben's house?

then in the bed where elsa and sayid were in, the frame above the bed-looked like some african faces too...


There were a lot of masks...reminded me of Tim Burton's first Batman film.

[Bloody Delight]

3:16 was the rocket.

Isn't John 3:16 a famed Bible verse?
"
I don't know much about the Bible, but I looked it up and it says, For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

– John 3:16 (KJV)


Yeah, I don't really know what that has to do with anything, but the numbers stood out to me, plus the name John, plus the ample amount of other Bible references in the show.

I also read that in the same narrative section, Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

Something to do maybe with the appearance of Jacob/the cabin? Locke was certainly "born again" on the island...it could be argued Hurley was too, after the death of Charlie.

I don't know. Just throwing some stuff out there.

[PaulSmack]

There were a lot of masks...reminded me of Tim Burton's first Batman film.

maybe calling out all of ben's different identities.

[stizzy]

Isn't John 3:16 a famed Bible verse?
"
I don't know much about the Bible, but I looked it up and it says, For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

– John 3:16 (KJV)


Yeah, I don't really know what that has to do with anything, but the numbers stood out to me, plus the name John, plus the ample amount of other Bible references in the show.

I also read that in the same narrative section, Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

Something to do maybe with the appearance of Jacob/the cabin? Locke was certainly "born again" on the island...it could be argued Hurley was too, after the death of Charlie.

I don't know. Just throwing some stuff out there.

I think that's actually a really interesting point. Not being well versed on Biblical themes, I always miss out on these types of references in this show, so thanks for pointing it out. It seems well worth mentioning, to me at least :)

[Suite]

Just wondering if anyone saw the book that Sayid half-pulled off of Ben's bookshelf (before bending down and realizing the shelf hid the room) and/or the song played when Sayid and Elsa were in bed?

[Veracity]

I'm pretty sure the spine of the book said "The Holy Book of the Qur'an"

[Astriastar]

with regards to the flash forwards, have we not been getting the "whooshing" sound we get during the scene transition with any of them that we usually got with flashbacks? I noticeably found it absent with the last flash forward tonight.

Cool, maybe that's a way to tell if they are flashbacks or flashforwards...just listen for the whoosh.

[simba317]

The passport that Sayid opens out of Ben's stash is Swiss...and Switzerland is neutral...so that's interesting for Ben from the different sides he seems to play which sort of cancel each other out to make him neutral...in a sense.

~simba_317

[stizzy]

I'm pretty sure the spine of the book said "The Holy Book of the Qur'an"

Which is the "bible" of Islam, isn't it?

[afarsea]

Which is the "bible" of Islam, isn't it?

Yep, and a lot of the stories that are in the Bible are in the Koran as well.

[steal25]

Don't think this is anything major-but the two timers Dan had when the "payload" arrived-the numbers appearing on the clocks both add up to 15-just worth noting another reference to one of "the numbers"
UMM...2+4+5+0+3 correct me if im wrong = 14

3+1+6+2+2 again equals 14

time to change the batteries in the good ol' calculator.

[rebelscum]

UMM...2+4+5+0+3 correct me if im wrong = 14

3+1+6+2+2 again equals 14

time to change the batteries in the good ol' calculator.

in that screenshot,yes

but the clocks were onscreen long enough for the seconds to tick round

[AUNU]

Every one of the episodes that opens on eyes has been a single open eye. This episode starts with Sayid's eye but its closed. Think this has some major significance?

also, Sayid made a point of closing the womens eyes after they were dead

Women dead=eyes closed
Sayids eyes closed=dead???

[punkiebubs]

Couple of things:

1) Time difference was 31 mins

8 +23 = 31 ;) lil bit of simple arithmetic :cool:

2) Ben's house, had loads of african tribal masks, but more importantly for me i noticed a focal statue on dining room table while sayid was pulling the bookcase out. The statue is of the Hindu Elephant God Ganesh praying to a shivaling

The shivaling is a representation of Lord Shiva, the God of Destruction and also the Ganesh's father. Ganesh is also the 'Remover of Obstacles'.

And right then, with the statue in show, Sayid 'removes and obstacle' out the way to find Ben's secret room :shock:

The statue really caught my eye (being a Hindu) and seemed really strange that Ben would have it in his house, in a prominent position and this is not the first reference to Hinduism.

[Altmannia]

It's not a huge deal,

but this is actually the first time we've actually seen what time it is on island
with an actual clock for 100 days

Also, Sayid talks about lists again in the flashforward as if Ben still gives list like he did on the island.

But like was mentioned, people who get off the island (or even have lives off the island act the opposite of how they do on the island), ben's lists on the island were for taking and saving the good people while off island lists are for killing

[108_Minutes]

also, Sayid made a point of closing the womens eyes after they were dead

Women dead=eyes closed
Sayids eyes closed=dead???

Interesting.

[peterfrank]

good~~~

[Dohhunter]

The woman who Sayid attempts to use in Berlin....subsequently shoots him and was looking for Ben.....is wearing a matching bracelet to the one Naomi is wearing.
EDIT (sorry, noticed it has its own thread).

[The Chosen 1]

It's not a huge deal,

but this is actually the first time we've actually seen what time it is on island
with an actual clock for 100 days

Also, Sayid talks about lists again in the flashforward as if Ben still gives list like he did on the island.

But like was mentioned, people who get off the island (or even have lives off the island act the opposite of how they do on the island), ben's lists on the island were for taking and saving the good people while off island lists are for killing



---Michael/Jin's watch from the first season.



and perhaps 3:16 references, Austin 3:16 whom indeed says he did just kicked your ass....therein, Kate Austen 3:16 might just be getting physical

[phisig37]

I think that's actually a really interesting point. Not being well versed on Biblical themes, I always miss out on these types of references in this show, so thanks for pointing it out. It seems well worth mentioning, to me at least :)


John 3:16 was the scripture carved into eko's walking stick.

[octologist]

The comment about John 3:16 made me wonder about Bible verses Daniel 2:45 and 3:16 (as it is Daniel's experiment), so I looked them up.

Daniel 2:45 says "The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."

The passage deals with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream about a giant statue. A rock smashes the statue at its feet of iron and clay. Daniel translates the dream as God's kingdom crushing all earthly kingdoms someday.

Daniel 3:16 is the bit about Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego saying they would rather be thrown into the fiery furnace than worship Nebuchadnezzar's false idol/gold statue. Not quite sure how that ties in.

[thequestionmark]

The comment about John 3:16 made me wonder about Bible verses Daniel 2:45 and 3:16 (as it is Daniel's experiment), so I looked them up.

Daniel 2:45 says "The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."

The passage deals with King Nebuchadnezzar's dream about a giant statue. A rock smashes the statue at its feet of iron and clay. Daniel translates the dream as God's kingdom crushing all earthly kingdoms someday.

Daniel 3:16 is the bit about Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego saying they would rather be thrown into the fiery furnace than worship Nebuchadnezzar's false idol/gold statue. Not quite sure how that ties in.

holy crap dude...
thats some good stuff
but who could the king be?
i dont recall if anyone noticed the clocks besides Daniel
if anyone else did.. king?
or if not could daniel have a bigger part in this season than most of us are giving him credit for?
the "fiery furnace" could be referenced to the turmoil thats happening in the split of the losties..
the only question is...
which one is the false god that they are following.. Jack or Locke?

[bobyo]

one thing to note, is that the picture of Desmond and Penny was a color photo copy of the original, not an original (for you multiple timeline people out there).

Anyone (odi?) have a screencap?

[Mal de Mer]

3:16 was the rocket.


Didn't it also have John 3:16 carved on Eko's stick?

[eloramoon]

These are all fantastic!

~ Elo

[Dohhunter]

As previously posted, just a reference:

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

– John 3:16 (KJV)

However, Eko's stick had John 3:05 engraved on it.

Other references to Bible 3:16's that seem relevant to LOST (in bold)

Genesis 3:16 - To the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Exodus 3:16 - Go and gather the elders of Israel together, and say to them, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, "I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt;

Leviticus 3:16 - And the priest shall burn them on the altar as food offered by fire for a pleasing odor. All fat is the LORD's.

Numbers 3:16 - So Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD, as he was commanded

Kings 3:16 - Then two harlots came to the king, and stood before him.

Job 3:16 - Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light?

Proverbs 3:16 - Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor.

Acts 3:16 - And his name, by faith in his name, has made this man strong whom you see and know; and the faith which is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

James 3:16 - For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.[/b] (sawyer?)

Reaching for numbers as always:

15 + 16 = 31, the number of minutes the payload rocket clock was delayed

[drifter]

professor moriarty was sherlock holme's enemy. he was a master of disguise and finally killed homes too.

does anyone have a screencap of the book sayid looked at on the shelf before he discovered ben's secret room?

[The Czar]

Miles said to his friends that the Losties were "a bunch of Yahoos"

Yahoos are from Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels who are basically savage human beings that rival the Houyhnhnms who are more civilized. The story about the two takes place on an island that Gulliver is stranded on. I loved the reference

[buzzby]

I think iot might be the Quran

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5792/snapshot20080215174013pu1.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080215174013pu1.jpg)

[jfiscus]

I think the two clocks also clears up the theories that the Losties are far in the future/past. There is a 31 minute time difference, but that's not that much to make a major difference.

But, does anyone understand how they can talk in "real time" with this difference?
What about how she "immediately" saw the beacon when she was called, then was able to track the location of the payload until it "should" have contacted the island, I would guess on radar? But the location in relevance to the destination was very short after she lost track of it so the "dislocation" of the island must be within 1 or 2 miles of the location the chopper was at, correct?

[pagiepoof]

I think the two clocks also clears up the theories that the Losties are far in the future/past. There is a 31 minute time difference, but that's not that much to make a major difference.

But, does anyone understand how they can talk in "real time" with this difference?
What about how she "immediately" saw the beacon when she was called, then was able to track the location of the payload until it "should" have contacted the island, I would guess on radar? But the location in relevance to the destination was very short after she lost track of it so the "dislocation" of the island must be within 1 or 2 miles of the location the chopper was at, correct?
there is no date on the timer
we dont know how many times it went around 12:00 before it landed
could be days, or more -depending on the battery in the thing

[Enkidu]

Didn't know where else to put this, but i just thought I would point out the three instances of the on going theme of this season tonight, which is the mirroring of an event or iconic image or event that has happened in a previous season, in reverse. From only watching it once and without REALLY looking for anything I noticed three instances this episode:

1. The opening of the show with closed eyes, as apposed to the legendary LOST open eye shots.

2. The Survivors bringing Ben, Ice Tea while keeping him prisoner in the barracks.

3. The one that hit me hardest, the mirroring of the iconic scene from the first season where a young Sawyer witnesses his father's feet walk into the room, from hiding underneither his bed. This time however it was Kate seeing, none other than Sawyer himself in the same manner.

Yes!! I caught that too - Sawyer's feet being viewed in the same way he saw his own father's feet. There was something really scary and foreboding about it. I wonder what it means, seeing as it was Kate watching. *shivers*

[raferrell3]

I think it's much more than just a "31-second" time difference. There was only about 10 seconds between the launch of the rocket and the time it was "supposed" to land. But it didn't land until 31 minutes later on the island.

That could easily mean that roughly (and I mean "very roughly"...this ain't exact), that 31 minutes pass on the island for every 10 seconds on the outside. Move that out further, and you get 3 hours and 6 minutes passing on the island for every single minute that passes on the outside. Get where I'm going? There could be a huge time difference between when the Losties think they are, and when it actually is in the outside world.

Or there could be a completely different explanation. My thoughts certainly don't explain the communication ease between the island and the ship. Guess we'll just have to wait to see what's really going on.

[AliCat]

Merging with the Easter Eggs thread.

[Faker1]

Reaching for numbers as always:

15 + 16 = 31, the number of minutes the payload rocket clock was delayed

Not only that.

15 + 16 = 31
8 + 23 = 31

The one time was 2:45:03 and the second was 3:16:23 (22 in some screencaps, but the one I have says 23)

2 + 45 + 3 = 53... 5 + 3 = 8
3 + 16 + 23 = 42
3 + 1 + 6 + 2 + 3 = 15

[Smelley]

Regarding the time difference questions.

No problem with Regina seeing Daniel's beacon, because the island was 31 minutes behind, right, so it would have already been on for her.

OR if this is really a situation where it's just a difference in how quickly time passes on versus off the island (as in Narnia), then you have to wonder how they can carry on a conversation over the radio. Wouldn't Regina's voice be really SLLOOOOOOWWW?

[John Connor]

I tried to put this into it's own thread, but it got closed. So here goes: If there's anything from Sayid's flash-forward to Berlin that you want me to translate into english (posters, street signs, background chat, whatever), feel free to ask me.

[stoleriko]

all you have are just wild guess about the bible

[medstudent7]

I tried to put this into it's own thread, but it got closed. So here goes: If there's anything from Sayid's flash-forward to Berlin that you want me to translate into english (posters, street signs, background chat, whatever), feel free to ask me.

I'm not sure if the writing on the posters is clear enough, but if you had any idea what it says, that'd be awesome. :)
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s91/yLoz/Untitled-1-1.png

[John Connor]

I'm not sure if the writing on the posters is clear enough, but if you had any idea what it says, that'd be awesome.

The first two lines say: "Lassen sie uns ihnen dabei helfen..."

which is: "Let us help you..."

The rest is just to blurry, sorry. I bet it's something about dogs :D

>>>EDIT<<<

I just rewatched the first couple of minutes, and the Menu-sign in the reastaurant that Sayid enters is full of mistakes! Everything else in the flash-forward looked pretty genuine, but the sign is messed up. One interessting thing though: It advertises " Gegrilltes Hühnerfilet mit Gemüse", which is.... chicken! Reminds me of the Locke-Linus scene. To far-fetched?

[medstudent7]

^Thanks, John Connor. I bet it's something about dogs too:).

[Masterlubu]

Wasn't there a movie about a pet cloning company with Arnold Schwarztn...n...um..Schwar.....the terminator in it??

They had a line on an advertisement about "Let us help you ease your pain" or something to that effect.

[John Connor]

I really wished I'd known they were shooting footage in Berlin, it's not that far from here. Darn it! :shifty:

Wasn't there a movie about a pet cloning company with Arnold Schwarztn...n...um..Schwar.....the terminator in it??

They had a line on an advertisement about "Let us help you ease your pain" or something to that effect.

"Let us help you ease your dog's pain" - Entirely possible!

[yellowstone_stev]

Wasn't there a movie about a pet cloning company with Arnold Schwarztn...n...um..Schwar.....the terminator in it??

They had a line on an advertisement about "Let us help you ease your pain" or something to that effect.

Arnold had Total Recall which dealt with altering people's memories...(which Daniel's first episode this year always reminded me of the "two weeks" scene)

Then he had one about clones...the 6th Day...but I don't remember being cloned pets...

Then he had Junior...where he got pregnant...

[Masterlubu]

Found it, it's "The 6th Day";

From IMDB:
"In the world of the very near future, cattle, fish, and even the family pet can be cloned. But cloning humans is illegal - that is until family man Adam Gibson comes home from work one day to find a clone has replaced him. Taken from his family and plunged into a sinister world he doesn't understand, Gibson must not only save himself from the assassins who must now destroy him to protect their secret, but uncover who and what is behind the horrible things happening to him."

I don't know that it's related, or why it stuck in my head, I just remember it was creepy that they were cloning kittens and such.

[tambo]

This might be mentioned somewhere else on the forum... but did you notice one of the clocks (from the ship launch) had the time 3:16... Think the bible...

John 3:16 - 'For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.'

(The bible in a nutshell).

I'm not American, so apologies to American baseball fans (I may be completely wrong here), but don't some baseball fans hold up signs 'John 3:16' at games? Wasn't Jack talking about baseball (Redsox) just before the timers arrived? If the newbies on the island are from 4 years in the future how does Franks answer relate to Jacks question?

[The Pearl]

I really wished I'd known they were shooting footage in Berlin, it's not that far from here. Darn it! :shifty:


It's not shot in Berlin but just on Hawaii

[Mrs-Holloway10]

Has anyone noticed how deeply Sayid loves women? Even in The Economist where he had so shoot the woman he was sleeping with to get to her boss, he is shaken to tears. It reminds me of the first season and the two women that he loves who die and how hard he takes it. Maybe the writers want to show a contrast/conflict in Sayid that he is not the monster he was supposed to be in Iraq.

[John Connor]

It's not shot in Berlin but just on Hawaii

Well... I thought so, too. But then Sayid walked out of the Restaurant and we get to see this scene:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-73.html

Is that all CGI? The street sign, the cars, the license plates (!), the shops and their signs, the "Berliner Funkturm" (kind of an old radio tower) in the background?

And were did they find that many german folks for the background chatter? Apart from the woman Sayid kills, none of those had an accent. :shock:

EDIT: Never mind, of course it's Hawaii. Shame on me. But good job, Lost Producers!

[drifter]

I think iot might be the Quran

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5792/snapshot20080215174013pu1.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080215174013pu1.jpg)

thanks, buzzby.

that's a pretty good tie in to saying that the day he starts trusting ben is the day he sells his soul.

[steal25]

I think it's much more than just a "31-second" time difference. There was only about 10 seconds between the launch of the rocket and the time it was "supposed" to land. But it didn't land until 31 minutes later on the island.

That could easily mean that roughly (and I mean "very roughly"...this ain't exact), that 31 minutes pass on the island for every 10 seconds on the outside. Move that out further, and you get 3 hours and 6 minutes passing on the island for every single minute that passes on the outside. Get where I'm going? There could be a huge time difference between when the Losties think they are, and when it actually is in the outside world.

Or there could be a completely different explanation. My thoughts certainly don't explain the communication ease between the island and the ship. Guess we'll just have to wait to see what's really going on.

if this is true it would explain why naomis phone is so advanced.

[John Connor]

if this is true it would explain why naomis phone is so advanced.

It would also explain the delays between each phone call from the freighter to Naomi's phone. I mean, seriously, they want to reach Naomi, Jack answers the phone, tells them Naomi is not there, Jack hangs up. Next time the freighter calls is when Kate finds Naomi, which must have been AT LEAST 30 Minutes later. Get were I'm going here?

[Backpack]

professor moriarty was sherlock holme's enemy. he was a master of disguise and finally killed homes too.



:shock: That's fascinating.

And, Sayid's always been the one on the island who can deduce the truth (about Ben being an Other and not "Henry", about Michael turning to the dark side, etc), just like Sherlock.

[Drizz't]

Based on the evidence so far, and the fact that I know somethings about the world of physics, I do not believe that the rocket time issue is evidence that the island is a head of the ship time or behind the ship time.

I still believe that time on the island is the same as time in the world. Since they can communicate in real time with no delay or paradox. Many of the posts I am reading take the 2:45 as the time the rocket was supposed to land. That is not true.

Daniel has two clocks, one on the island and one off the island. When the rocket was fired we assume the two clocks are starting from the same time lets "say" 2:40. After five minutes island time (2:45) the rocket lands one the island. So what does this mean. Well Daniel thinks the rocket was in the air for 5 minutes but the timer on the rocket says it was in the air for 31 minutes longer. The rocket experienced more time than it should have. It took to long to get to the island. That is the paradox, traveling to the island is weird something happens to time coming to the island.

THAT IS WHY DANIEL KNOWS TRAVELING TO THE ISLAND IS UNIQUE AND TELLS THE PILOT TO STAY ON THE EXACT SAME HEADING. If he does not he might experience a time dilation issue.

[Scarab]

It would also explain the delays between each phone call from the freighter to Naomi's phone. I mean, seriously, they want to reach Naomi, Jack answers the phone, tells them Naomi is not there, Jack hangs up. Next time the freighter calls is when Kate finds Naomi, which must have been AT LEAST 30 Minutes later. Get were I'm going here?

So you are saying that they are actually ringing her back constantly (instantly) but its taking 30 minutes in Island time?

[John Connor]

So you are saying that they are actually ringing her back constantly (instantly) but its taking 30 minutes in Island time?

Well what would you do if you called someone you knew, a stranger picked up, told you the owner of the phone was not there and hung up. Would you wait for half an hour? I sure as hell wouldn't!

[Gazza272]

I also thought that sayid going behind the book case mirrored the kids going through the wardrobe in Narnia.

[MightyMouse]

While re-watching this episode, when Sayid has entered the cafe and just before he sits down with Elsa, I could swear I heard whispering (which is surprising considering the level of conversations going on in the background). This is about 7 to 8 minutes into the episode and while the large cream colored column is prominent in the scene.

Does anybody else hear it?

[John Connor]

I also thought that sayid going behind the book case mirrored the kids going through the wardrobe in Narnia.

Did you notize that the secret room was actually OUTSIDE THE HOUSE?!? The wall with the book case, as I see it, is a wall facing the outside... you can see that when Sayid, Rousseau and Hurley leave Ben's house.

[Nikki_is_hot]

when Kate was looking under the bed she saw Sawyer's boots coming in the room...same like Sawyer hiding from his father under the bed

[danboy86]

Noticed this when watching The Economist, probably not what I initially thought it was but worth a look anyway I think, anyone else notice it? It appears when Sayid is telling Miles about how the group got split up.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/danboy_86/vlcsnap-504829.jpg

[deh34]

i'm a long time listener, first time caller... but when sayid asked elsa why her employer uses such old technology, it reminded me of jack's modern cell phone in the first flash forward... seemed like maybe even tongue in cheek...

[sgtsalt]

in the flashforward when sayid enters the restaurant a song in the background is playing "Jazzamor - Wann ist es Liebe" which translates to "when is it love"

and you can clearly hear the lyrics

Wann ist es Liebe (when is it love)
wann ist es schmerz (when is it pain)
erklär mir die Liebe (explain love to me)
erklär mir dein Herz (explain your heart to me)

might be a reference to the entire sayid & elsa "relationship"

[cjh1452000]

The man on the top of the stack of British bank notes was Michael Faraday, a physicist who dealt with electromagnetics.

[pagiepoof]

Based on the evidence so far, and the fact that I know somethings about the world of physics, I do not believe that the rocket time issue is evidence that the island is a head of the ship time or behind the ship time.

I still believe that time on the island is the same as time in the world. Since they can communicate in real time with no delay or paradox. Many of the posts I am reading take the 2:45 as the time the rocket was supposed to land. That is not true.

Daniel has two clocks, one on the island and one off the island. When the rocket was fired we assume the two clocks are starting from the same time lets "say" 2:40. After five minutes island time (2:45) the rocket lands one the island. So what does this mean. Well Daniel thinks the rocket was in the air for 5 minutes but the timer on the rocket says it was in the air for 31 minutes longer. The rocket experienced more time than it should have. It took to long to get to the island. That is the paradox, traveling to the island is weird something happens to time coming to the island.

THAT IS WHY DANIEL KNOWS TRAVELING TO THE ISLAND IS UNIQUE AND TELLS THE PILOT TO STAY ON THE EXACT SAME HEADING. If he does not he might experience a time dilation issue.
the clock that he had with him... didnt he bring that from the freighter?
so that should have gone thru the same time advance when he brought it with him as the one that landed.
even if there is a time warp when travelling to the island, the two clocks should be the same anyways
dont get it

[uhhsam]

not if they came in from the 'correct' bearing, as opposed to whichever bearing the rocket came from

but this isn't really easter egg related.

[dharmakharma]

The man on the top of the stack of British bank notes was Michael Faraday, a physicist who dealt with electromagnetics.

Nice....
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/mhansen265/Faraday3.jpg

[Eddy-B]

No, because it is fixed in the background. If it were "the monster" it would move and swirl like the smoke always does whenever we see it.
This is a dark area between the trees and plants.

[stunnedtina]

It looks like the smoke monster to me. Hmmm it's a picture that isn't moving so naturally it's not going to be moving around in the picture.

[cowpie]

Anyone else think that this looks like a lock of Sayid's hair?

EDIT: after viewing the ep again, it is not Sayid's hair. It doesn't change shape slightly like smokie does, but i did notice right before this scene, you see the same view point and there is no black object. Good eyes to catch this regardless.

[elbeckum]

Well... I thought so, too. But then Sayid walked out of the Restaurant and we get to see this scene:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1376-73.html

Is that all CGI? The street sign, the cars, the license plates (!), the shops and their signs, the "Berliner Funkturm" (kind of an old radio tower) in the background?

And were did they find that many german folks for the background chatter? Apart from the woman Sayid kills, none of those had an accent. :shock:

EDIT: Never mind, of course it's Hawaii. Shame on me. But good job, Lost Producers!
yeah i live here, background is cgi as there is no building like that in honolulu.

[Krams706]

Not really sure if this counts as an EE, but in the Barracks, Sayid said he'd sell his soul before trusting Ben, and in the flashforward thats exactly what he did.

[bobyo]

No, because it is fixed in the background. If it were "the monster" it would move and swirl like the smoke always does whenever we see it.
This is a dark area between the trees and plants.


if a picture moved it would be a video. ;)

[Ramarqable]

If you remember in a previous Sayid episode either last season on the one before, when he has a conversation with some dude at a cafe of some sort u can clearly hear the words "dharma soldier" amongst the other background noise....

Think i found this again in this episode... it occurs before elsa says "do I, know you from somewhere" right after sayid sips his drink.

its a ladys voice and says it twice.

maybe i'm reaching and hearing things but what do u think?

http://www.zshare.net/audio/76531998611a87/

[Puzzled]

Not really sure if this counts as an EE, but in the Barracks, Sayid said he'd sell his soul before trusting Ben, and in the flashforward thats exactly what he did.

Wow good observation! I did not catch that at all.

~~Puzzled

[ALIENJEFF3]

sorry man, I would say you're reaching. it's another language, also.

[ttime]

I just watched the episode again, and it seems its just trees around nothing, but its just really dark.

[rshively]

Are we imagining that there are letters in the sand?

This is right before they get to where Locke thought Jacob's cabin was. It takes place approximately 13 minutes into the show.

My wife and I clearly see the letter P.

Comments?

[Vashner]

It's the black rock... :D

[NYLostFan]

I don't see anything.

[cws_swisher]

Just an interesting parallel in conversation I picked up. In season one before the raft set sale Kate asked Sawyer why he was so intent on leaving and he says "Theres nothing for me here" (or something like that)
Then when Kate asks him why he doesn't want to leave he says
"Theres nothing for me back there"

[odbayarb2000]

I am watching it now and my eyes are failed to see any letter in the sand. And I am quite positive that there is no letter.

[John Connor]

Just an interesting parallel in conversation I picked up. In season one before the raft set sale Kate asked Sawyer why he was so intent on leaving and he says "Theres nothing for me here" (or something like that)
Then when Kate asks him why he doesn't want to leave he says
"Theres nothing for me back there"

Yeah, but have have to consider what Sawyer was after, all those years in the real world: The real Sawyer, Locke's father! He killed him in the black rock, so there really is nothing for him "back there". When he decided to join the raft crew, there still was.

[ronan001]

The first two lines say: "Lassen sie uns ihnen dabei helfen..."

which is: "Let us help you..."

The rest is just to blurry, sorry. I bet it's something about dogs :D

>>>EDIT<<<



I wonder is this sign anything to do with the Vet lab where Ben begins to fix sayid!

[snaggleruk]

Help me out here my maths is pretty poor. If there is 31 min on the island for every minute off the island what would the total time difference be for the length of time the losties have been on the island???:shock::shock::shock::shock:

[hippyharry]

Hey, first post here.

With regards to the time issue, have you guys watched this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI

Pretty sure it might have something to do with it! :)

Harry

[MangoNinja]

I dont think the time difference works that way. They are still on planet earth and the day and the night still happens the same. So the 'time' on the island is the same as the time off the island (100 days). But seems like they are living in a time bubble where they experience the passing of time more slower. I think this happens when you are close to a blackhole. The intense gravity as you get closer to the event horizon makes it seem like - from an outside observer - they are moving in slow motion. Might have something to do with the big magnet thing. =]

[AliCat]

Moving to Easter Eggs thread.

[AliCat]

Moving to the Easter Eggs thread.

[the_spaced_invad]

I think iot might be the Quran

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5792/snapshot20080215174013pu1.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080215174013pu1.jpg)

Looks like it. Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, a bit of a n00b, but I thought I'd look up 3:16 of the Koran. Didn't make any sense in regards to Lost, but I noticed, using this (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html) site that there are books of the Koran called The Women, The Immunity, The Light, The Smoke, Time, and The Age, along with various others with Lost-type meanings.

Coincidence?

[John Connor]

Looks like it. Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, a bit of a n00b, but I thought I'd look up 3:16 of the Koran. Didn't make any sense in regards to Lost, but I noticed, using this (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html) site that there are books of the Koran called The Women, The Immunity, The Light, The Smoke, Time, and The Age, along with various others with Lost-type meanings.

Coincidence?

Considering that those are pretty basic topics, yeah. Coincidence.

[Puzzled]

Right in the begining when Sayid's eyes are closed it (to me anyway) sounds like a bit of clicking going on (the monster?) and then some moaning like noise. It almost looks like he opens his eyes because he hears this, then his attention is directed to Naomi.

This furthers my opinion that she is still alive, having been biten by one of those spiders.

So what do ya think? Normal background music? Monster? Nothing? He really hears her?

~~
Puzzled

[tambo]

No one has mentioned this yet. 31 minutes time difference. 3 + 1 = 4.

I'm not American, so can any Americans decipher the conversation Jack and Frank had about baseball (just before the clocks arrived). Jack mentioned the redsox. Can't remember who Frank mentioned, but are there any clues that Frank is forward in time relative to Jack?

Also, do you reckon Naiomi will become alive again once they have left the island?

[deathrockduck]

I'm not American, so can any Americans decipher the conversation Jack and Frank had about baseball (just before the clocks arrived). Jack mentioned the redsox. Can't remember who Frank mentioned, but are there any clues that Frank is forward in time relative to Jack?


No. If I remember correctly, Frank mentioned he was from the Brooklyn, one of the burroughs of New York City. The Boston Redsox defeated the New York Yankees in the championship mentioned.

Basically, nothing that was odd. If Frank were around to watch the series, he'd still be pretty sore about, I'm sure, which is what he was trying to communicate to Jack.

[John Connor]

Basically, nothing that was odd. If Frank were around to watch the series, he'd still be pretty sore about, I'm sure, which is what he was trying to communicate to Jack.

Yes, but more importantly: Jacks says that he 'can't believe it's been 100 days since he watched that game', and Frank doesn't react to that statement at all. So, if the game was more like half a year in the past (from Frank's point of view), I'm sure he would have shown SOME reaction.

EDIT: What I was going for was that, if the helicopter crew and the Losties were from different timelines, or in any other way out of sync, that would have been a good way to find out - the game. But apparently they're not?!?

[uhhsam]

jack said 100 days since he'd seen a game, not that game. there's really only 4 months without major league baseball (including spring training), and throwing in all the winter leagues, you could probably get away with saying that any day of the year, especially to a baseball fan like frank. also, 100 days could sound like just a generic way to say it's been a long time.

[roland54]

My memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall that Indiana Jones in "Last Crusade" fell in love with a beautiful German Lady who turned out to be an "enemy" agent. If I'm right, her name was Elsa.

[John Connor]

My memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall that Indiana Jones in "Last Crusade" fell in love with a beautiful German Lady who turned out to be an "enemy" agent. If I'm right, her name was Elsa.

You kinda lost me there. :confused:

[bobyo]

My memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall that Indiana Jones in "Last Crusade" fell in love with a beautiful German Lady who turned out to be an "enemy" agent. If I'm right, her name was Elsa.


yep, Elsa Schneider.

[viper777777]

Hey, first post here.

With regards to the time issue, have you guys watched this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI

Pretty sure it might have something to do with it! :)

Harry



Nice video, it almost proves the time time difference theory from this episode. Seems one was a few minutes late getting there. Here are some screen shots from that video, anyone know what the building is.

[uhhsam]

that elsa was austrian, and she was more in it for herself, i think.

in lost, a show about people trapped on an island, a package is delivered containing a clock
in castaway, a movie about a person trapped on an island, a package is delivered containing a timer

[Just1Spark]

The woman who Sayid attempts to use in Berlin....subsequently shoots him and was looking for Ben.....is wearing a matching bracelet to the one Naomi is wearing.
EDIT (sorry, noticed it has its own thread).
Maybe the German chicks boss is Abbadon(Walt?)...

[knownbeforetime]

*faceslap* Guys, the time difference works like the timezones. It's about 7 pm where I live in the midwest but it's 8 pm in New York. That doesn't mean that time goes faster in New York than in Kansas. It just means that one place has a different starting point. I believe this is the case because we do not see a lag on one side of the phone conversation (unless, of course, the phones are that advanced).

[HaveANiceDay05]

No one has mentioned this yet. 31 minutes time difference. 3 + 1 = 4.

I'm not American, so can any Americans decipher the conversation Jack and Frank had about baseball (just before the clocks arrived). Jack mentioned the redsox. Can't remember who Frank mentioned, but are there any clues that Frank is forward in time relative to Jack?

Also, do you reckon Naiomi will become alive again once they have left the island?

I read this somewhere but I forget where, that Frank could've thought Jack was referring to the 2007 Red Sox, as they one the Series as well. This way, Frank wouldn't suspect that the island time is that far off. So in other words, when he said that he couldn't believe it'd been 100 days since he'd seen a game, Frank may have thought we was talking about the 2007 baseball season and the Red Sox winning the World Series then.

[bobyo]

I read this somewhere but I forget where, that Frank could've thought Jack was referring to the 2007 Red Sox, as they one the Series as well. This way, Frank wouldn't suspect that the island time is that far off. So in other words, when he said that he couldn't believe it'd been 100 days since he'd seen a game, Frank may have thought we was talking about the 2007 baseball season and the Red Sox winning the World Series then.


but Frank would have known that they had been missing for 3 years then, and from what Frank's seen so far, he's had no reason to believe that there are any kind of communications with the outside world on the island where Jack could have possibly seen a game.

[uhhsam]

if frank was thinking about the 2007 world series he wouldn't have been so quick to say 'don't go there' since the red sox didn't come back against the yankees in 2007. he seemed sore enough about it still for it to have been fairly recent news back home.

[maple1109]

Right in the begining when Sayid's eyes are closed it (to me anyway) sounds like a bit of clicking going on (the monster?) and then some moaning like noise. It almost looks like he opens his eyes because he hears this, then his attention is directed to Naomi.

This furthers my opinion that she is still alive, having been biten by one of those spiders.

So what do ya think? Normal background music? Monster? Nothing? He really hears her?

~~
Puzzled

I do recall hearing a pretty loud woodpecker during some of the scenes near the helicopter there. Maybe that's what you were hearing.

[Misty Rose]

*faceslap* Guys, the time difference works like the timezones. It's about 7 pm where I live in the midwest but it's 8 pm in New York. That doesn't mean that time goes faster in New York than in Kansas. It just means that one place has a different starting point. I believe this is the case because we do not see a lag on one side of the phone conversation (unless, of course, the phones are that advanced).

No - it is not the timezones. If you were to send a rocket from Kansas to NY and track it to see how long it would take to get to NY, the person in NY would say it took 15 minutes, and you, tracking it from Kansas, would see that it took 15 minutes from the launch time until it landed in NY.

This is not what happened. Regina launched the rocket and she called out the distance as she saw it on her equipment. When her equipment showed it landing, Daniel was perplexed because he did not have the rocket. When it finally came in, it took 31 minutes.

From Regina's perspective, it took maybe 2 minutes from launch to arrival. From Daniel's perspective, it took 31 minutes from the time he clocked it leaving and the time it arrived.

Now - we did not see Regina launch the rocket as she said, we just have to take her word that she sent it when she said she did.

[luvmojo]

The Dharma logo was on Elsas book!!!

[edub_grafiks]

No one has mentioned this yet. 31 minutes time difference. 3 + 1 = 4.

I'm not American, so can any Americans decipher the conversation Jack and Frank had about baseball...

3 balls & 1 strike is one pitch short of a full count..... very unlikely to have a significance :rolleyes: :eh: ;) :giggle:

[shred]

Topic of thread=Easter Eggs

The time issue and Daniel is another thread...
http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=67465

[tambo]

I read this somewhere but I forget where, that Frank could've thought Jack was referring to the 2007 Red Sox, as they one the Series as well. This way, Frank wouldn't suspect that the island time is that far off. So in other words, when he said that he couldn't believe it'd been 100 days since he'd seen a game, Frank may have thought we was talking about the 2007 baseball season and the Red Sox winning the World Series then.

Interesting!!!

To completely change the subject, on the second watching of this episode, when Sayid is about to board the helicopter he asks Jack whether he is going to wish him luck. It sounds like Jack replies 'Good Locke'. Anyone else think that?

[Jacob_is_every1]

Did anyone else see the beer ad on the wall in the cafe where Sayid meets Elsa. It says "1516 Rein" There are the numbers again! I don't think there is an episode yet without the numbers. Can anyone get a screencap?

[ALIENJEFF3]

I read this somewhere but I forget where, that Frank could've thought Jack was referring to the 2007 Red Sox, as they one the Series as well. This way, Frank wouldn't suspect that the island time is that far off. So in other words, when he said that he couldn't believe it'd been 100 days since he'd seen a game, Frank may have thought we was talking about the 2007 baseball season and the Red Sox winning the World Series then.

That makes no sense. Jack hasn't seen a game in 100 days, but has been missing for several years?

[Puzzled]

I do recall hearing a pretty loud woodpecker during some of the scenes near the helicopter there. Maybe that's what you were hearing.

Thanks for responding to this. I also heard the woodpeckers but this sound is different, its the monster clicking noise, then a moaning noise. I pointed it out to my sister and she thought it was the monster too, she is not sure about the moaning sound. It would be just like this show to throw in something sneaky when we least expect it. Like before anyone says or does anything.

For those that have no clue what Im talking about...right before Sayid opens his eyes I hear the monster in the first 10 seconds of the show.

~~Puzzled

[shred]

Is there an audio clip somewhere on the net with this sound? We need a link.

[invasian]

Thanks for responding to this. I also heard the woodpeckers but this sound is different, its the monster clicking noise, then a moaning noise. I pointed it out to my sister and she thought it was the monster too, she is not sure about the moaning sound. It would be just like this show to throw in something sneaky when we least expect it. Like before anyone says or does anything.

For those that have no clue what Im talking about...right before Sayid opens his eyes I hear the monster in the first 10 seconds of the show.

~~Puzzled

I just watched the scene on abc.com . I hear what you are talking about and it bears a resemblance to smokie, but I don't think it is smokie. It isn't exactly the right sound that smokie makes. Not sure what it is, though. The woodpeckers come in later, when sayid is by naomi's side closing her eyes.

[she-ra]

I think they went out of fuel on the helicopter because of this time issue (31 minutes), not just because the storm. They didn´t expect to run out of fuel, so they have to carry few people only in the helicopter. Is it possible?

[lommerr]

I just watched the scene on abc.com . I hear what you are talking about and it bears a resemblance to smokie, but I don't think it is smokie. It isn't exactly the right sound that smokie makes. Not sure what it is, though. The woodpeckers come in later, when sayid is by naomi's side closing her eyes.


The sound is coming from the helicopter rotor .you can see it moves by the wind.

[WSAG]

Keeping on the German theme....it was only a brief flash but when Sayid made his way to the hotel it looked ot me that the flag flying outside was not a unified German flag but an old style East German flag....not an expert on German history but this could help place the clips in the "timeline".

[Jesus Juice]

You may have to dam my cursed eyes, but I was fairly sure you saw the photo of the little boy (from the last episode) in Ben's cabin as Kate walked past. I don't have any way of verifying I'm afraid.

[pothergavel]

Are we imagining that there are letters in the sand?

This is right before they get to where Locke thought Jacob's cabin was. It takes place approximately 13 minutes into the show.

My wife and I clearly see the letter P.

Comments?

Definitely something there. I thought exactly the same thing

[blueshirt]

with regards to the flash forwards, have we not been getting the "whooshing" sound we get during the scene transition with any of them that we usually got with flashbacks? I noticeably found it absent with the last flash forward tonight.

that's because the berlin scenes were a flash back...

Keeping on the German theme....it was only a brief flash but when Sayid made his way to the hotel it looked ot me that the flag flying outside was not a unified German flag but an old style East German flag....not an expert on German history but this could help place the clips in the "timeline".

would have loved to say u r right, but it's the standard german flag with the german eagle on it... it's a variation u see quite often.

[Exie]

whatever it said on the bracelet
The Dharma logo was on Elsas book!!!
I noticed the bracelet, too. I cant remember the initials on the bracelet--gonna hunt a screencap on both of these quotes.
ETA: Wait, the bracelet screencap might be in the Bracelet thread. Didnt read that one yet (havent had internet since Thursday. :rolleyes:)

[Grim Reapster]

that's because the berlin scenes were a flash back...


No they weren't. Elsa tells Sayid that she understands him not wanting to talk about the crash. Which means that it happened before they met. Also Sayid hasn't shown any sign that he knew Ben before arriving on the island. And yet Ben is who he's getting his orders from.

[Mini Leif]

Every one of the episodes that opens on eyes has been a single open eye. This episode starts with Sayid's eye but its closed. Think this has some major significance?

also, Sayid made a point of closing the womens eyes after they were dead

Women dead=eyes closed
Sayids eyes closed=dead???

The only other episode I can think of that opens with closed eyes is the one where Eko meets his fate: The Cost of Living

[nathansurgenor]

When I first heard in this episode that the woman was called Elsa i thought it might be spelt Ailsa (pronounced the same way)

This could have a connected with 'Ailsa Criag' which is an island off the Mull of Kintyre in Scotland

[MantaLargos]

When Sayid reaches to the bookshelf, it appears he reaches to the book next to the Quran entitled "Red Man's Religion" or at least points to it. I think this might have some meaning. Any thoughts?

[Freckles Juice]

It sure doesn't look like it. It could just be a bad pic of him but the eyes, and nose both look different to me. Is it possible he wasn't available for that shoot and they just stuck a look-alike in?

Imposter?
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5061/fakegincl4.png


The real Jin
http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost.s02e16.angry_man-751831.jpg

[bonchie]

Your other pic isn't working.

Edit: NM but its too small to see.

[Freckles Juice]

I couldn't get it to post more than a thumb nail image so I hosted it on image shack. The link should work.

[Revo]

Yes it's Jin.

[Lightivity]

No it's not. Clearly a stand in.

[Henry Gale]

Looks like Jin to me.

[Exie]

It just looks like an extra. If they wanted Jin, they'd use Jin. That's what he gets paid for.

[Vizio]

It sure doesn't look like it. It could just be a bad pic of him but the eyes, and nose both look different to me. Is it possible he wasn't available for that shoot and they just stuck a look-alike in?

Imposter?
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5061/fakegincl4.png


The real Jin
http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost.s02e16.angry_man-751831.jpg


Looks like"Jin" and Juice

[shred]

Why do we have a whole thread for discussing whether or not some guy is Jin? What possible difference does it make?

edit: I guess I'll just move this to Easter Eggs instead...

[kiddosmack]

While re-watching this episode, when Sayid has entered the cafe and just before he sits down with Elsa, I could swear I heard whispering (which is surprising considering the level of conversations going on in the background). This is about 7 to 8 minutes into the episode and while the large cream colored column is prominent in the scene.

Does anybody else hear it?

Actually I am surprised no one has caught on to the whispering in this episode.
There are atleast 4 whispers in the cafe when Sayid walks in.

I couldnt understand the first 2 but they are when he walks in,
Then when he walks by the column you hear a womans voice in a english/aust accent? "Clearly they are here" or "Claire they are here". Which is then repeated when Elisa says "Do I know you?"

Its in a undertone so its not quite a whisper. I am wondering if someone is sitting at another table watching them both and is answering to someone into a cell.

everyone go take a listen maybe someone can get the audio and clear it up.

[drifter]

I got one! one of the books Sayid touches is called 'Kings of Love' (:The History and Poetry of the Ni'matullahi Sufi Order of Iran) by Nasrollah Pourjavady and Peter Lamborn Wilson.

this is from wiki Peter Lamborn Wilson (b. 1945) is an American political writer, essayist, and poet, known for first proposing the concept of the Temporary Autonomous Zone (TAZ), based on a historical review of pirate utopias.

and here's a bit more

The Temporary Autonomous Zone (TAZ) describes the socio-political tactic of creating temporary spaces that elude formal structures of control. The essay uses various historical and philosophical examples, all of which attempt to lead the reader to the conclusion that the best way to create a non-hierarchical system of social relationships is to concentrate on the present and on releasing one's own mind from the controlling mechanisms that have been imposed on it. . . .

Pirate utopias were described ... as secret islands once used for supply purposes by pirates that were early forms of autonomous "mini societies" existing beyond the realm and reach of governments. These pirate enclaves typify proto-anarchist societies in that they operated beyond laws and governments and, in their stead, embraced freedom.

and here's the link to his wiki bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lamborn_Wilson).

[MantaLargos]

I got one! one of the books Sayid touches is called 'Kings of Love' (:The History and Poetry of the Ni'matullahi Sufi Order of Iran) by Nasrollah Pourjavady and Peter Lamborn Wilson.

this is from wiki

and here's a bit more



and here's the link to his wiki bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lamborn_Wilson).

Fantastic Catch! I tried hard to make out the book title, but could only get the one between this one and the Quaran called "Red Man's Religion" Interesting about the Pirates though.. interesting indeed..

[Shoe]

Cool, maybe that's a way to tell if they are flashbacks or flashforwards...just listen for the whoosh.

Just checked, and the Economist had "whooshes".

[kmchenry]

When the guy in the golf cart pulls up....the sound of the cart is quite abnormal. It sounds exactly like the plane did as it increased in speed plummeting toward beach. Not like a normal cart, particularly one that would be coming to a stop. The whine of the "engine" was increasing, not decreasing.

[shred]

When the guy in the golf cart pulls up....the sound of the cart is quite abnormal. It sounds exactly like the plane did as it increased in speed plummeting toward beach. Not like a normal cart, particularly one that would be coming to a stop. The whine of the "engine" was increasing, not decreasing.
Yes, I noticed that, too. It sounded just not quite right.

[MightyMouse]

Actually I am surprised no one has caught on to the whispering in this episode.
There are atleast 4 whispers in the cafe when Sayid walks in.

I couldnt understand the first 2 but they are when he walks in,
Then when he walks by the column you hear a womans voice in a english/aust accent? "Clearly they are here" or "Claire they are here". Which is then repeated when Elisa says "Do I know you?"

Its in a undertone so its not quite a whisper. I am wondering if someone is sitting at another table watching them both and is answering to someone into a cell.

everyone go take a listen maybe someone can get the audio and clear it up.

You're right. I couldn't make out what the whispering was about, but after reading your reply I cranked up the volume on the tv and hear something similar, though I thought it was "Claire, are they here?".

[n00dlejester]

I think that the "Claire" I kept hearing in this scene was the song playing under all the mumblings of the people. It sounded like the beginning of each line began with "Claire" and then trailed off. But other than that I went through it a few times and I couldn't make anything out really. :(

[misscomplexity]

yeah i definitely heard whispering too.

[kiddosmack]

The whispering reminded me of Danielles transmission not that it was the same thing.. just the voice

[Dohhunter]

When the guy in the golf cart pulls up....the sound of the cart is quite abnormal. It sounds exactly like the plane did as it increased in speed plummeting toward beach. Not like a normal cart, particularly one that would be coming to a stop. The whine of the "engine" was increasing, not decreasing.

Carts that are coming to a stop increase in noise as the electric motor "brakes" the vehicle.

There was nothing abnormal about it.

[SANdoZ2006]

i think any whispering you are hearing is simply the soft voice of the singer on the lounge music playing in the background of the cafe. its pretty clear when listened to with headphones.

[Irieginal]

You're right. I couldn't make out what the whispering was about, but after reading your reply I cranked up the volume on the tv and hear something similar, though I thought it was "Claire, are they here?".

It's not "Claire, are they here".
It's just a german song and they sing something like "erklaer mir die liebe, erklaer mir mein herz". You confused "Claire" with "erklaeren" which means "to explain".

[kmchenry]

Carts that are coming to a stop increase in noise as the electric motor "brakes" the vehicle.

There was nothing abnormal about it.

I work at a course. I think you should listen to it again.

[Exie]

I havent listened to the cart again, but I do know that most of those golf carts are pretty quiet, and them making any noise at all other than maybe a quiet hum is odd. I'll have to see if I taped over the episode and go check it out. :p

The maintenance guys are all over the place in their golf carts at my apartment complex, and their carts dont make any noise when they brake.

[kmchenry]

I havent listened to the cart again, but I do know that most of those golf carts are pretty quiet, and them making any noise at all other than maybe a quiet hum is odd. I'll have to see if I taped over the episode and go check it out. :p

The maintenance guys are all over the place in their golf carts at my apartment complex, and their carts dont make any noise when they brake.

abctv.com's full episode player works well if you have recorded over it. I've watched it twice and it is clearly identical to the sound of the plane approaching the beach in episode 1.01

[Exie]

abctv.com's full episode player works well if you have recorded over it. I've watched it twice and it is clearly identical to the sound of the plane approaching the beach in episode 1.01
I think I have taped over it after all...I'll take a look at this abc one. :)

[nekkidlunch]

Did anyone else see the beer ad on the wall in the cafe where Sayid meets Elsa. It says "1516 Rein" There are the numbers again! I don't think there is an episode yet without the numbers. Can anyone get a screencap?

1516 is the year of the Bavarian Purity Law, or "Reinheitsgebot":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot

"Rein" simply means pure.

It's common in the German speaking world to see ads for beer claiming that they still follow the Reinheitsgebot. The poster may have been chosen as a prop deliberately because of the numbers, but it's probably not significant.

[panteluke]

Hi!

Does anybody know the title of the song that is being played during the bed scene (Sayid-Elsa)?

Thank you

[Dohhunter]

abctv.com's full episode player works well if you have recorded over it. I've watched it twice and it is clearly identical to the sound of the plane approaching the beach in episode 1.01

Cool. So they ran out of sound effects.

[Loria125]

When the guy in the golf cart pulls up....the sound of the cart is quite abnormal. It sounds exactly like the plane did as it increased in speed plummeting toward beach. Not like a normal cart, particularly one that would be coming to a stop. The whine of the "engine" was increasing, not decreasing.

Yeah! I thought so, too. Glad I wasn't the only one. :)

[bobyo]

When the guy in the golf cart pulls up....the sound of the cart is quite abnormal. It sounds exactly like the plane did as it increased in speed plummeting toward beach. Not like a normal cart, particularly one that would be coming to a stop. The whine of the "engine" was increasing, not decreasing.


just watched it again, and it sounds like a.... golf cart. You're just hearing the whine of the belt. And if you're referring to the "whistling" like noise its coming from the wind, not the golf cart.

Doesn't sound like the plane at all, other than both vehicles have engines.

[kedicik]

I think iot might be the Quran

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5792/snapshot20080215174013pu1.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080215174013pu1.jpg)

It is definitely The Holy Quran. Since Sayid is a Muslim it might have drawn his attention.

[Lovely World]

I definitely think it means something but haven't been able to figure it out!