Sawyer

[JPW]

Was anyone else surprised by Sawyer in this episode?

He really felt for the loss of Charlie, and he tried to talk to Hugo about it.

Yet Hugo just shoved it off him.

So it seems like there's this point that Sawyer still is a nice guy... even though he killed Tom, and Cooper(Locke's father) on the island.

I was really surprised Sawyer cared whenever Charlie was mentioned. Yet I was surprised at the same time he went with Locke and them.

[VetteAMJ]

Doesnt surprise me at all that Sawyer cared. hes cared about Hurley before. when he asked him for some medication. Sawyer seemed genuinely concerned for Hurley until he explained what it was for. than Sawyer realizes it wasnt for anything really serious an teases Hurley about it,, which ticked Hurley off an caused a fight. Sawyer also didnt attempt to hit or hurt Hurley in anyway during the fight. i think that says a lot about a guy whos a fighter an for as stubborn as Sawyer is not to attempt to land any punches in. especially with knowing other people were watching an his bad boy imagine that he likes to maintain was on the line.

are you thinking that Sawyers not such a nice guy cuz he killed Cooper an Tom?

[JPW]

I guess I didn't want him to Kill Tom. I was beginning to like him. And Tom didn't kill anyone he just just took Walt off the Raft. And he was there for the comical side of Lost in S3 I feel.

But Cooper had it coming you're right there.

But then he seemed to get this mean streak when he told Kate to back off and when he goes "Let's hope you're not pregnant". The way he said it. I thought it was a bit harsh.

And he showed the same thing again to kate this season. I really liked the Sawyer and Kate relationship.

So i thought he went on this mean streak and he was going to go down that road but then he showed compassion for charlie and it shocked me he still cares.

[Enza]

I thought Sawyer was finally acting human. I liked that side of him.

[VetteAMJ]

I guess I didn't want him to Kill Tom. I was beginning to like him. And Tom didn't kill anyone he just just took Walt off the Raft. And he was there for the comical side of Lost in S3 I feel.

But Cooper had it coming you're right there.

But then he seemed to get this mean streak when he told Kate to back off and when he goes "Let's hope you're not pregnant". The way he said it. I thought it was a bit harsh.

And he showed the same thing again to kate this season. I really liked the Sawyer and Kate relationship.

So i thought he went on this mean streak and he was going to go down that road but then he showed compassion for charlie and it shocked me he still cares.


Yeah i know the feeling. it sucks that Tom died as both my brother an i liked him. we found his sense of humor funny,, an despite the company he stayed with he seemed like a nice guy. more than once i wondered how he ended up with Ben an them. i wish they had a flash back of Toms to explain about him.

anyway yeah Tom didnt kill anyone. he just shot at them when they were on the raft,, kidnapped Walt,, held a gun to Kates head head. help hold them captive. also was going to take part in what looked like to Sawyer was killing Sayid,, Bernard an Jin just minutes before he got the upper hand. oh an wanting to nab peoples babies or pregnant women(one of them women maybe Kate) in the middle of the night for whatever reason/s.

that clearly didnt earn Tom any brownie points in gaining anyones trust.. so that leaves tying him up,, or caging him up. than everyone has the joy of worrying about him getting lose an hurting people. thus Sawyer shot him.

i agree. Sawyers tone was mean an harsh with Kate when he said that. i think that was his aim,, he wanted to hurt Kates feelings bad enough to make sure she wouldnt attempted to follow him away from the safety of the group an towards danger. as last time around she went sneakily following... she got kidnapped. so i think Jack was right. Sawyer just said that to protect her.

[RONA]

thanks
i love sawyer

[Angela12]

I guess I didn't want him to Kill Tom.

I think Sawyer had ample motivation to kill Tom, at least in terms of Sawyer logic. This guy did put a bullet in his shoulder that very nearly killed him, and held a gun to his woman's head, and was on the team that had the two of them imprisoned. I'm not surprised he wasn't feeling a lot of Tom pity.

[VetteAMJ]

I forgot Tom was the one that shot Sawyer in the shoulder. :blank:

i love him too Rona :D

[spider]

Sawyer was great in the first two episodes!

[wahinetoa]

I'm not sure about Sawyer being developing in that episode, since S3, I've been worried he's getting a tad bit worse. :-O

Sawyer did the same old thing and go his own merry way and call on the walkie when the group obviously had qualms. Sawyer wouldn't DARE hit Hurley back - no way - he knows that if he did, the rest of the group - including Kate, would banish him outright.
Not only that, but I believe Mr.Ford has a sweetspot for Hurley too. :love:

That's why he didn't lay a finger on Hurley when Hurley smacked him one, as Sawyer scoffed and chortled at Hurleys expense.

Now, I love me Sawyer.. and when he knew Hurley was really, really hurting he knew that the big guy needed some time. Loved it when he came up to Hurley and wondered where the heck he was.

But killing Cooper and Tom, (regardless of the circumstances), does not end the horror of what he did because it goes bone deep. Him getting punked by Locke to doing his dirty work and then following the same man AND leaving the woman he 'supposedly' loves to do so. Argh. :rolleyes:

The next episode should be his force, because he's got Hurley and Aaron and Claire to care for - to fight for, in charlies memory. :heart: Actually, I think they'll all be doing that.

:(

[VetteAMJ]

I think everyone has the right to defend them self,, but that aside just how many people get into fights an give ones rats behind what other people will think thats not in the fight,, let alone care? people in fights are too busy defending themselves to think about everyone else not in the fight. Sawyer knew he pissed Hurley off an caused the fight,, so he didnt think of hitting him for it. or thats how i interrupted it anyway. :blank: an im not sure what you mean by 'sweet spot'.. but it sounds like something id rather not know. :giggle:

everyone thought Locke was crazy right up to the point of the Hurley speech. so maybe what Hurley said changed Sawyers opinion about Locke. or maybe Sawyer wants to keep an eye on Locke himself to make sure hes not conning everyone an protecting the group in his own way.

so Sawyer had no right to kill Cooper an Tom,, yet if that gun was loaded an Jack actually shot an killed a defenseless Locke... youd think Jack would have his reasons or an excuse as to why he did it. right?

well,, Jack was also willing to leave the woman he 'supposedly' loves to go off in a submarine with another woman to do so.

[wahinetoa]

VetteAMJ

people in fights are too busy defending themselves to think about everyone else not in the fight.
That's the thing, *everyone* was in on this 'fight' (not physically, but everyway else) because it's their lives that are its subject. Who to trust. Jack and Locke have been in battle for ages, but this new information split them. So far this group survived by being together, apart though?

Sawyer knew he pissed Hurley off an caused the fight,, so he didnt think of hitting him for it. or thats how i interrupted it anyway. :blank: an im not sure what you mean by 'sweet spot'.. but it sounds like something id rather not know. :giggle:
:o:giggle: Um, I didn't mean it like.. um.. that. :shock: :o I just meant that despite everything Hurley and Jack are prolly considered as close to friends as this man has got.

everyone thought Locke was crazy right up to the point of the Hurley speech. so maybe what Hurley said changed Sawyers opinion about Locke. or maybe Sawyer wants to keep an eye on Locke himself to make sure hes not conning everyone an protecting the group in his own way.
Hmmmm... could be. :nod: Hurleys speech, was emotional and devoted to Charlie. Sawyer keeping an eye out for the fractured half of the group with Locke AND the snakeman Ben, would be interesting. But have qualms on whether it was the foremost reason. It was that last line "I'm doing what I've always done; survive."

so Sawyer had no right to kill Cooper an Tom,, yet if that gun was loaded an Jack actually shot an killed a defenseless Locke... youd think Jack would have his reasons or an excuse as to why he did it. right?
The same way that Locke killed a defenseless Naomi. But I get your point.

well,, Jack was also willing to leave the woman he 'supposedly' loves to go off in a submarine with another woman to do so.

:shifty::o Oh, man! I totally forgot about that. :D Mind you, Jack was coming back to get her.. he'd made that promise. Whether it was with another woman, or Tom, or whoever didn't matter. Because his plan all along to get them saved. Sawyers motive, if not from the above - is a lill' murky.

[abblette]

I thought it was really nice of sawyer, plus he has changed and become more sensitive to other people, so dodnt surprise me a lot

[Subtemperate]

Now I could be way off, but the reason I believe Sawyer goes with Locke's group has little to do with charlie and the groups themselves, and everything to do with Sawyer completing what he was determined to do in his life (killing the conman known as sawyer)...

Due to the fact Locke handed this man to him on a silver platter, he feels somewhat drawn to follow him because all his life he has followed a path of vengence... now thats completed he has no idea of what to do next, however... since Locke seemingly paid off last time in giving his path meaning.... he feels that following him again now will do the same.

I could be way off base mind you lol