"Are they still alive?" What Hurley and Jack aren't telling

[shred]

Poor Hurley. Freak out, Dude!

[KAHANA]

He's one of the people on the boat, I bet. SO FREAKY!!!!!

[joey1324]

i kinda got the thought when he asked hurly your not going to tell them what i did

[tcmark]

in the finale jack says im tired of lying ......
tonight hurley and jack talks about not telling anyone the secret
the guy who comes to visit hurley says "there all alive arent they"

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

im sure other people figured this out but i got excited cause it just clicked ,lol

~happy LOST SEASON 4

[galsnguns23]

I was thinking the same thing...

[KAHANA]

yeah..I think they left them behind. I'm glad at least hurley felt bad about that. so now this means that something else happens to jack to make him go insane?

[Notsure]

Jack couldn't kill so many people.

[Count2Five]

There's probably more to it than other ppl being left behind, but I think that's a huge part of it.

[Angela12]

I just can't figure out why Kate would be one of the ones that chose to leave the island. Right now it's one of the biggest plot holes on the show for me... she's still a wanted fugitive. If she leaves the island, one would think she'd be going to jail. Is she just assuming at this point that she'll be pardoned for murder just because she's gone through a rough few months? :rolleyes:

[Aiko Aiko]

Yep. I think they left them. Who is #6?

[Thekillersrock10]

Wasnt it weird that hurley apologized to Jack for leaving with locke when locke came later in the episode. I mean WHATS going on here?? What did locke do for hurley to have to apologize to jack??? Is locke an "other" now????:confused:

[stormharpy]

I just can't figure out why Kate would be one of the ones that chose to leave the island. Right now it's one of the biggest plot holes on the show for me... she's still a wanted fugitive. If she leaves the island, one would think she'd be going to jail. Is she just assuming at this point that she'll be pardoned for murder just because she's gone through a rough few months? :rolleyes:


Totally agree; was thinking the same thing.

I don't think they had a choice in the matter. I think it was "list-based" on who got off the island. Because seriously, Hurley, who was marching in the opposite direction on the island, was saved, but someone like Claire who was with him chose not to be rescued for some reason?? And the "rescuers" took the trouble to collect Hurley 2 hours away (who knows how long) from Jack?

Also, something happened to Hurley that obviously didn't happen to Jack or Kate. He was seeing these "visions" that were haunting him. Perhaps the ones that were saved in Locke's group had a different experience than that of Jack's group.

[ThePolarBear]

I'm also wondering why Hurley lied about Ana-Lucia. My thought is is that the 6 said that everyone but them died in the crash. That's why the cop asked Hurley if he met Ana-Lucia before the plane took off instead of asking him if they met on the island.

[KAHANA]

I'm also wondering why Hurley lied about Ana-Lucia. My thought is is that the 6 said that everyone but them died in the crash. That's why the cop asked Hurley if he met Ana-Lucia before the plane took off.

Good point. I think we can gather from the conversation that the Oceanic 6 are hiding the fact that they left people.

[stormharpy]

Wasnt it weird that hurley apologized to Jack for leaving with locke when locke came later in the episode. I mean WHATS going on here?? What did locke do for hurley to have to apologize to jack??? Is locke an "other" now????:confused:

I think that something different happened to the ones that were rescued in "Locke's group" than "Jack's group". We know Kate and Jack were 2 of the six rescued, and Kate seems fine living her new normal life and although Jack feels guilty about something, (leaving the others behind?), he doesn't seem as "plagued" as Hurley, who is seeing visions and whatnot.

So i think Hurley is saying "I'm sorry -- You were right! Shoulda stuck with your group!" because something bad happened to that group. Parallel to the tail end and front end of the plane perhaps? :)

[Count2Five]

Good point. I think we can gather from the conversation that the Oceanic 6 are hiding the fact that they left people.

They may also be hinding the fact that there were other survivors to begin with, besides them!

[Thekillersrock10]

yea def. I wonder what happened....to them. I mean at the time i trusted locke. I would have went with him. I dont like jack and jack acts purely on what he believes and tends not to think about the situation and how it might effect other people...weird though. Some really bad stuff must have happened. This show is just getting better and better.

[2lostinohio]

It seemed clear to me that the Oceanic 6 are being forced to keep quiet about what exactly happened while they were gone. The big mystery will be why, and by who.

[Gibey]

It seemed clear to me that the Oceanic 6 are being forced to keep quiet about what exactly happened while they were gone. The big mystery will be why, and by who.

I think this is close to the truth. People obviously know something very signficant about the six people from Oceanic 815. They survived. But there's something more than that at stake.

Hurley lied to Ana-Lucia's partner about having met her. He obviously met her, but the detective made it sound like he would only know her from being on the plane. Something about what actually happened to them between crash and rescue is what's being concealed. What Jack is sick of lying about in his FF, and what people are afraid Hurley will reveal in his.

[villana81]

in the finale jack says im tired of lying ......
tonight hurley and jack talks about not telling anyone the secret
the guy who comes to visit hurley says "there all alive arent they"

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

im sure other people figured this out but i got excited cause it just clicked ,lol

~happy LOST SEASON 4

I thought about that since the end of season 3 that he said "i'm sick of lying" and now after what Hurley told Jack, and Hurley seeing Charlie and "they need you", the big question is why they left them and lied about it?
This is great!!!

[Aiko Aiko]

I don't think they are being forced to be quiet. I think they might have to or else something will happen. Like that creepy "attorney" asking if they are still alive. People are looking and want ot know, and it is up to the "6" to keep quiet to keep them safe.

But Hurley appologizing about going with Locke is just weird and through a few wrenches in everything.

[2lostinohio]

I don't think they are being forced to be quiet. I think they might have to or else something will happen. Like that creepy "attorney" asking if they are still alive. People are looking and want ot know, and it is up to the "6" to keep quiet to keep them safe.

But Hurley appologizing about going with Locke is just weird and through a few wrenches in everything.

I'm not sure that makes sense though. I would think the 6 would be protecting them BY telling the truth. IMO they are definately being forced to keep quiet.

[j.nc]

I'm also wondering why Hurley lied about Ana-Lucia. My thought is is that the 6 said that everyone but them died in the crash. That's why the cop asked Hurley if he met Ana-Lucia before the plane took off instead of asking him if they met on the island.

Right on.

To the world, the plane is at the bottom of the ocean. Using that fact, the 6 probably claim that only they survived (plus maybe a few more that perished soon after).

Remember the "underwater" plane is far from the island (which no one can find anyway) - so however the 6 were "rescued" THE island probably didn't figure into their story.

So for Hugo to say he knew AL would be to let on too much.

[VincentIsTheMan]

I just can't figure out why Kate would be one of the ones that chose to leave the island. Right now it's one of the biggest plot holes on the show for me... she's still a wanted fugitive. If she leaves the island, one would think she'd be going to jail. Is she just assuming at this point that she'll be pardoned for murder just because she's gone through a rough few months? :rolleyes:

I can't figure that out either...what does she have to come back to? But I guess from the FF at the end of S3, it looks like Oceanic or someone cut a deal with her for her to live a normal life (driving up in the Volvo, etc.)

Maybe she was taken off the island against her will, maybe she just wants to be with Jack :D, or maybe she figures what is waiting for her back home is nothing compared to what she's been through on the island.

[YuenglingBoozer]

Good point. I think we can gather from the conversation that the Oceanic 6 are hiding the fact that they left people.no they are hiding the fact that there's an island.

[missy4650]

It seemed clear to me that the Oceanic 6 are being forced to keep quiet about what exactly happened while they were gone. The big mystery will be why, and by who.
i agree, maybe the people on the freight (because they want the island to be kept secret) agreed to rescue and send back the 6 ONLY on the terms that they must go along with their story - that they were the only ones alive, and that the plane is in the ocean - and keep quiet (or else, and if anyone of the 6 tell, they all will suffer the consequence - why they are all worried the other will tell)

[missy4650]

I'm also wondering why Hurley lied about Ana-Lucia. My thought is is that the 6 said that everyone but them died in the crash. That's why the cop asked Hurley if he met Ana-Lucia before the plane took off instead of asking him if they met on the island.
great catch!
i agree, i'm sure the cop knows the whole story (that the public knows atleast) and that is that there were no survivors (except the 6) and there were no months of walking around the island with eachother, so to the cop there was no way that he could have known Ana-Lucia except maybe on the plane beforehand... and if hurley had said yes it would have been breaking his agreement, giving too much information

[Sacred Knight]

Oh I definitely agree. As far as the general public is concerned, there was no island. There was no 40+ survivors. The plane crashed in the Sundra Trench, everyone was though dead, but miraculously six survived. That's the cover up story I believe. The biggest question obviously is who's orchestrating it.

[Angela12]

One of my other big questions right now is what we should think about the flashforwards: namely, are we being shown a "WHAT-IF?" scenario of a POSSIBLE future for the Losties? Or should we consider these flashforwards as definitive, set-in-stone, "this-is-what's-going-to-happen"?

A couple of things to consider with that question are that we saw with Desmond's "visions" that these events CAN be altered... they are not the be-all, end-all... they're preventable... or, at least, postponable. The difference with the flashforwards, however, is that while Desmond was directly experiencing the visions of the future, the Losties do not seem to be aware of these "flashforward" moments; we the viewers are the only ones who are privvy to them. Will the Losties at any point experience these flashforwards in their own awareness and be able to alter their actions accordingly? Or should we simply accept right now that only six of them are going to ultimately return to the so-called "real world," leaving countless others behind?

[JSKrimmel]

i agree, maybe the people on the freight (because they want the island to be kept secret) agreed to rescue and send back the 6 ONLY on the terms that they must go along with their story - that they were the only ones alive, and that the plane is in the ocean - and keep quiet (or else, and if anyone of the 6 tell, they all will suffer the consequence - why they are all worried the other will tell)

I don't think this makes much sense. It would seem to me that if the real motive of the "Freighters" were to keep the island secret, they would simply kill all of the survivors of the plane crash, not enable 6 of them to reintegrate with society.

However, I take objection to the idea that the "Freighters" are motivated by a desire to keep the island secret. The Others have taken several actions to keep the island a secret, but, if Ben's actions can be viewed as a generalization of the Others' motivations and not some selfish desire, it is painfully obvious that the Others are at fundamental disagreement with the "Freight People." It will be interesting to see how this conflict arose.

[BenisUbercreepy]

One of my other big questions right now is what we should think about the flashforwards: namely, are we being shown a "WHAT-IF?" scenario of a POSSIBLE future for the Losties? Or should we consider these flashforwards as definitive, set-in-stone, "this-is-what's-going-to-happen"?

A couple of things to consider with that question are that we saw with Desmond's "visions" that these events CAN be altered... they are not the be-all, end-all... they're preventable... or, at least, postponable. The difference with the flashforwards, however, is that while Desmond was directly experiencing the visions of the future, the Losties do not seem to be aware of these "flashforward" moments; we the viewers are the only ones who are privvy to them. Will the Losties at any point experience these flashforwards in their own awareness and be able to alter their actions accordingly? Or should we simply accept right now that only six of them are going to ultimately return to the so-called "real world," leaving countless others behind?


i think these r set in stone, but desmonds visions could be altered because life does have free will, yet we are attracted to certain things, and in many cases are supposd to do certain things with our life.

[Puzzled]

It seemed to me that Hurley was protecting those left on the island by not admitting that there was anybody else left alive at all. Others and crash survivors both. I guess What happned on the island stays on the island. He didnt even admit anything about being on an island.

He sure didnt trust that guy was really an attorney.

Its going to drive me crazy till I know why its such a secret. Must be big otherwise what would it matter if afterwards he said they are still there...go and get them?

[ebraeden]

Didn't when Desmond went to the jewelry store to buy a wedding ring for Penny, the lady told him that he'd been there numerous times before?
That says A LOT right there. That tells me not to discount anything when it comes to Lost.
I do hope in the coming episodes that Desmond has more visions.
I love it when the story line focuses on Desmond. What an amazing character he is!

[etwo]

One of my other big questions right now is what we should think about the flashforwards: namely, are we being shown a "WHAT-IF?" scenario of a POSSIBLE future for the Losties? Or should we consider these flashforwards as definitive, set-in-stone, "this-is-what's-going-to-happen"?

A couple of things to consider with that question are that we saw with Desmond's "visions" that these events CAN be altered... they are not the be-all, end-all... they're preventable... or, at least, postponable. The difference with the flashforwards, however, is that while Desmond was directly experiencing the visions of the future, the Losties do not seem to be aware of these "flashforward" moments; we the viewers are the only ones who are privvy to them. Will the Losties at any point experience these flashforwards in their own awareness and be able to alter their actions accordingly? Or should we simply accept right now that only six of them are going to ultimately return to the so-called "real world," leaving countless others behind?

i'm pretty sure at comicon that lindelcuse said they wouldn't use possible futures as a plot device, they think it wold be a cop out. and they are right, it would be.

[ebraeden]

It seemed to me that Hurley was protecting those left on the island by not admitting that there was anybody else left alive at all. Others and crash survivors both. I guess What happned on the island stays on the island. He didnt even admit anything about being on an island.

He sure didnt trust that guy was really an attorney.

Its going to drive me crazy till I know why its such a secret. Must be big otherwise what would it matter if afterwards he said they are still there...go and get them?

It's driving me crazy too. lol!
Whatever the reason, there must be stiff consequences for the Oceanic 6 if they open their mouths & tell what they know.
Maybe they've threatened to kill the possibly remaining losties on the island if the Oceanic 6 talk? Maybe they've promised to eventually integrate the remaining losties back into the real world at some time in the future & tell the Oceanic 6 that they won't do this if they talk?
For some reason, I just don't think that the Oceanic 6 left the island without any guilt from leaving the other losties behind. I think that they were happy & living good lives until they realized that they were being lied to. (Like Hurley beginning to have visions of Charlie & I assume that the island will eventually begin to draw Jack back as well, which drives him to desperation)

[rebelscum]

Jack and Juliet have previously made a deal with Ben to get off the island,but Locke stopped them.

Looks to me like Kate,Jack,Hurley and 3 others have arranged a deal to leave,but are sworn to secrecy(by Alpert's crew-who i'm starting to think of as good guys).Obviously theres a lot of stuff in the middle,but they leave and are persuaded its for the common good to keep shtum.

When they get back,they are pressured into revealing the secret by the Baddies,represented by Abbadon and the freighter people.

The longer they are off the island,the more they are consumed by guilt and want to go back.

My guess is they won't be going back until season 6,,,and that season will be the final confrontation.

[guyvsdcsniper]

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The longer they are off the island,the more they are consumed by guilt and want to go back.

Are you sure they WANT to go back?

I mean, look at how scared Hurley got when he saw Charlie those two times. I think it personally would be too traumatizing, but hey, we'll see as time goes on...

[Sparin]

The way I see it, I think that the guilt will get to everyone in the Oceanic 6 sometime or another. For example; Kate wasn't freaked out about anything in Jack's flash foward yet Jack was ranting about going back. In Hurley's flash foward, Hurley is ranting about the island wanting them back, but Jack is acting the same way Kate was, carefree about the situation. So my guess, would be that when we (or if we) see a Kate flash foward, we'll find that she somehow will feel the guilt in some way.

[guyvsdcsniper]

The way I see it, I think that the guilt will get to everyone in the Oceanic 6 sometime or another. For example; Kate wasn't freaked out about anything in Jack's flash foward yet Jack was ranting about going back. In Hurley's flash foward, Hurley is ranting about the island wanting them back, but Jack is acting the same way Kate was, carefree about the situation. So my guess, would be that when we (or if we) see a Kate flash foward, we'll find that she somehow will feel the guilt in some way.

It could also be that each time we see this example of guilt, it is between two members of the Oceanic 6, with one acting as the guilt tripped one, tempted to go back and the other as the proverbial "devil on the shoulder" telling them no.

[BenisUbercreepy]

maybe the oceanic 6 r kate,sawyer, walt, michael, and hurley. the same 6 that were kidnapped by bens crew.

also, as far as the others, i never considered them to be messed up and evil except for ben. the only indiciation i got of them being kind of messed up is the brain washing sequence with carl. other than that, Richard and Tom and all them, and Juliet seemed like nice people. And Richard was trying to get John Locke to kill his dad so he could become the man he is meant to be for the island, cuz i think he was getting sick of Ben also.

[elleesa]

Thinking of the island as living, the ones who were rescued must lie in order to protect it from people who are searching for it. That is the one thing Ben says that I believe- evil people want to find the island to exploit it. So some of the survivors chose to stay, maybe even most of them if only 6 were rescued. And Hurley, who has been hospitalized before with a history of mental illness and hallucinations, is the most candidate for visions of the island asking for help.

[velocity]

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

That makes sense.

Right on.

To the world, the plane is at the bottom of the ocean. .............So for Hugo to say he knew AL would be to let on too much.

That might explain how Kate got away with murder, too - it would be easy enough to take someone else's name if she knew they had no family. Nobody would expect her to be carrying around a passport.

[markdlg]

There would be no pioint in showing the flashforwards if they weren't set in stone...

[dizfactor]

Here's my guess:

Somewhere, along the line, the Secret of the Island is revealed. Something to do with its remarkable healing powers, etc. Those who are in on the secret, like some of the others, are living in a kind of paradise.

The Oceanic 6 leave for some reason, choosing the real world over paradise. Jack regrets it. It's not guilt over leaving people behind - it's sorrow over the loss of having left paradise.

Part of the deal with going back is that they have sworn to protect the Secret of the Island from Abbadon and his people, who are the Hanso/Dharma people. They became aware of the Island at some point, and lost it when Ben killed them all and joined the Others in their quest to protect the Island from outsiders.

[mrsha007]

i think that oceanic is covering up the ordeal. they were rescued, but i think there was a war. the hostiles(the original others/jacob) and the rescuers. a lot of people died some survived. but only 6 got off. oceanic couldnt say that the 6 came from an island, so they are covering for them so kate doesnt go to jail, i think hugo got his money back and jack is also doing it for kate.

as for who is in the casket, no clue. I think its not anyone we think, i think it is Micheal.

i also think the oceanic 6 are hugo kate jake walt micheal and sayid

[BenisUbercreepy]

Here's my guess:

Somewhere, along the line, the Secret of the Island is revealed. Something to do with its remarkable healing powers, etc. Those who are in on the secret, like some of the others, are living in a kind of paradise.

The Oceanic 6 leave for some reason, choosing the real world over paradise. Jack regrets it. It's not guilt over leaving people behind - it's sorrow over the loss of having left paradise.

Part of the deal with going back is that they have sworn to protect the Secret of the Island from Abbadon and his people, who are the Hanso/Dharma people. They became aware of the Island at some point, and lost it when Ben killed them all and joined the Others in their quest to protect the Island from outsiders.

its a good theory. what bugs me is that Ben knows what is going on but no one will listen to him. If he thinks everyone is going to die if these people find the island, than he knows something we do not. Which is what. What does he know about Dharma that we dont know. Maybe that there intentions are somehow evil. I dont knowhow. Possible exploitation of the island and Ben doesn't want anyone else to know about it because it will become overpopulated. I have no idea.

[tracey1302]

This is what is fascinating me about Lost at the moment. It's fantastic to add an extra layer for viewers. The plot isn't just going straight forwards anymore. Everyone is trying to figure out how the hell we've got from A to B. Genius.

Anyway, I also think they're hiding the fact that they've left people behind. Protecting them, protecting the island.

There has to be a reason why they're doing this. Jack would never willingly leave people who wanted off the island. While there were a lot of people in Team Locke, that doesn't mean they don't want off the island.

[RussianPete]

Locke also seems very sure as to what will happen to everyone if they contact the boat, and we know Ben hasn't told him everything, it was walt.

so glad lost is back!!:w00t:

[Holloways.hott]

I also think they left people behind. I'm not sure if they all wanted to stay, or if they weren't able to leave. And I'm sure theres going to have to be some others that die in between.

But also, who knows what is going to happen between the characters in between now and then, so we can't really say the 6 wouldn't willingly leave people there, because we aren't sure what going to go on between the characters.

And also, in the next Kate episode I think she's going to start to think that they need to go back to the island. First it was Hurley, and Jack talked to him and said they were supposed to get off. Then it was Jack with Kate. I think Kate's going to think they shouldn't have left in her flashforward.

[liquorcart]

I think they definitely left people behind. Something very bad must have happened. I think a lot of them probably died... and a handful of them stayed and the 6 assumed that the rest would get on a second boat or something. Then when they were rescued they were told that you have to sign a form agreeing to this story... or else we will kill you. Something like that. That if they tell what really happened that someone would be after them.

I don't think the guy who visited them in the hospital was from the freighter. He asked Hurley if "they were alive", to me meaning that he didn't know what really happened. He is actually a "good" guy if you ask me. He is not part of the cover up, he wants to know the truth. Perhaps he had a family member on the flight, and like Penny, is investigating what actually happened.

[Puzzled]

I think they definitely left people behind. Something very bad must have happened. I think a lot of them probably died... and a handful of them stayed and the 6 assumed that the rest would get on a second boat or something. Then when they were rescued they were told that you have to sign a form agreeing to this story... or else we will kill you. Something like that. That if they tell what really happened that someone would be after them.


Ya I thought of that too. That they were threatoned with being killed if they told. But it does seem like Jack and Hurley were wracked with guilt in their FF's. And then you gotta put Jack there on the bridge wanting to end himself. Attemping suiside because they have thretoned to kill you if you talk just dosent add up.

~~Puzzled

[johnny_sack]

There would be no pioint in showing the flashforwards if they weren't set in stone...

I agree - it would be the stupidest thing ever if they were only possible futures.

Plus if we are going to question the flashforwards like this, then why not do the same of the flasbacks? Or for that matter - the on-island events?

Regardless I know for a fact the flashforwards are the real set-in-stone future anyways.

[johnny_sack]

its a good theory. what bugs me is that Ben knows what is going on but no one will listen to him. If he thinks everyone is going to die if these people find the island, than he knows something we do not. Which is what. What does he know about Dharma that we dont know. Maybe that there intentions are somehow evil. I dont knowhow. Possible exploitation of the island and Ben doesn't want anyone else to know about it because it will become overpopulated. I have no idea.

I have no doubt we will find out more about what Ben knows in the future, and that Ben may actually end up being an ally, at least out of conveince, in the near future.

[Bilbos Dragons]

In the end, Ben will be seen as a hero of sorts. A visionary, quiet leader, and savior. We hated him for awile, just like the Losties do now. Whether he lives or dies, he knows that this island is going to be corrupted, and its powers lost. It will be huge. The island IS the main theme and "character" on this show so I believe the Oceanic 6 made a huge mistake for leaving or however it happened. Hopefully for my minds sake, the island never gets discovered by the outside world. Mankind destroys everything it touches.

[-DejaVu-]

I think there's a very subtle hint near the start of the episode. When Hurley gets arrested and is being interviewed by the cop, the cop mentions how he used to be partners with Ana Lucia and asks Hurley, and this is the important part, if he met Ana on the plane, or, before he got on the plane. Now think about this logically... If there were 40ish survivors of a plane crash, and some came back but not your friend, you'd ask "did you meet _______ before the crash, or on the island??". It's VERY odd how he neglected to ask about the island.

You see? No-one knows there IS an island. That's the big secret that Hurley's is not meant to "tell" anyone about (of which Jack checked on in the latter half of the episode).

I thought about that a little more, and I remembered in season 3 where the girl who crashed on the island from the 'rescue ship' told the losties that "their bodies were found in the ocean".

To me, it sounds like there is a strong notion of a cover up here. Someone doesn't want the existence of the Island to get out. Could it be what's left of Dharma? I'm not sure. Another interesting question is what happened to the "oceanic 6", especially Hurley and Jack, that has them so hesitant about spilling their guts about what's happened to them?!?

Also, there's been some evidence of the, let's say, degradation, of the losties who left the island. Maybe the people behind the coverup are the cause of this? The black man who visited Hurley? Maybe the person in the coffin was murdered? It's possible that the moral weight of Jack's choices made his depressed (season 3 finale), but maybe it was these people trying to manipulate the oceanic 6 into either being scared to talk or diminishing their credibility / reputation (think about it... hurley going to a mental institution).

p.s. remember season 3 finale? Jack kept catching the AIRLINES in the hope of crashing onto the island. This seems like an act of desperation by someone who is being forced to keep his mouth shut. A doctor with money could easily get a crew together to search for the island.
p.s.2. excuse the rambling nature of the post, but I do think the the subtle hint in the 1st paragraph is VERY important.

[jeexbit]

Maybe i'm just losing my mind a bit, or it's been too long since i saw the episode - but wasn't there a scene that seemed to show that the wreckage of flight 815 had been discovered - with bodies? like somewhere deep underwater?

So... WTF? if someone created that story as some sort of cover-up, they may very well be the people who are pressuring the lost survivors (who return to "civilization") to lie in terms of going along with a story... i don't know. Just thinking out loud here...

[doc10house]

Never thought about that until now...but now that you mention it...

Someone also mentions to Naomi that she crashed on the island. She also says "I crashed in the ocean." Or something to that effect.

[-DejaVu-]

Yes. Something like: "They found your plane in the ocean... with bodies".

[molendie]

hey gang. This is my first post. Been watching the show since the beginning. My theory which is the same or similiar to a lot of others is...

Jack, Kate, Hurly, and 3 others get off the island but only by leaving everyone else behind and then they lie and say they were the only ones to survive the crash and then hurly is plagued by this decision and then later on so is Jack.

Who is in the coffin? I have no idea. There is no way Ben or anyone else that wasn't on flight 815 is considered one of the 6.

Remember when Naomi said they found the wreckage and all the bodies? How the heck are they gonna explain that?

[Bilbos Dragons]

Awesome catch and good theory. No doubt that the island wasn't revealed and I wonder after they came back to the real world how it was expained what happened to them? Hurleys visitor knows most of the truth and wants to find the island, obviously he's a Dharma agent, Widmore guy, Paik worker, or someone trying to find this island. Good theory. Let's keep this thread going.

[Backpack]

hey gang. This is my first post. Been watching the show since the beginning. My theory which is the same or similiar to a lot of others is...

Jack, Kate, Hurly, and 3 others get off the island but only by leaving everyone else behind and then they lie and say they were the only ones to survive the crash and then hurly is plagued by this decision and then later on so is Jack.

Who is in the coffin? I have no idea. There is no way Ben or anyone else that wasn't on flight 815 is considered one of the 6.

Remember when Naomi said they found the wreckage and all the bodies? How the heck are they gonna explain that?

Welcome! :D I can't wait for them to explain those things, too. ;)

I think Hurley feels guilty for leaving everyone behind and wants to go back for them now. I think Jack may find out that Claire is his sister, and that makes him want to go back later. Just a guess, though.

[DubleDex]

also, as far as the others, i never considered them to be messed up and evil except for ben. the only indiciation i got of them being kind of messed up is the brain washing sequence with carl. other than that, Richard and Tom and all them, and Juliet seemed like nice people. And Richard was trying to get John Locke to kill his dad so he could become the man he is meant to be for the island, cuz i think he was getting sick of Ben also.

Um, the others killed all of the original Dharma people on the island. Ben helped them orchestrate it, but it seems as if it was their idea. And, even if it wasn't their idea, they seemed pretty willing to go along with and participate in the killing of lots of people. People who weren't actively (as far as we know) trying to kill them.

Somewhere, along the line, the Secret of the Island is revealed. Something to do with its remarkable healing powers, etc. Those who are in on the secret, like some of the others, are living in a kind of paradise.

The Oceanic 6 leave for some reason, choosing the real world over paradise. Jack regrets it. It's not guilt over leaving people behind - it's sorrow over the loss of having left paradise.

This idea supposes that sometime between "now" (the point at which the paratrooper lands) and when they actually leave the island (who knows, this could be years... but it seems like it's gonna be pretty soon) all of Jack's experiences of being kidnapped, forced to do surgery, seeing the woman he loves having sex with another guy, trudging up his most painful memories... will be forgotten and he will now view the island as a "paradise."

Not particularly plausible.

At the end of last season, I gave this more credit. With Jack suddenly wanting to go back. But given this episode, I think his desire to go back has more to do with his strong desire to help people and guilt.

Supposing that the Oceanic 6 are lying about being the only survivors, it pretty much has to be because whoever rescued them is forcing them to say that. Otherwise, it serves no purpose for them to say there were no other survivors. They would want the rest of their friends to be rescued, or they'd at least want to tell others about the island and their ordeal.

That being the case, the rescuers are forcing them to do something against their will. Which makes them shady (if not evil) at best. And the rescuers DO KNOW about the island and it's whereabouts - and therefore can do whatever they want to the remaining survivors because the rest of the world doesn't know about the island.

Hurley in this episode (and Jack later) feel a close tie to the other survivors, don't want them to die (regardless of how misguided their desire to stay on the island may have seemed) and feel that they have to go back and help them.

[MightyMouse]

The way I see it, I think that the guilt will get to everyone in the Oceanic 6 sometime or another. For example; Kate wasn't freaked out about anything in Jack's flash foward yet Jack was ranting about going back. In Hurley's flash foward, Hurley is ranting about the island wanting them back, but Jack is acting the same way Kate was, carefree about the situation. So my guess, would be that when we (or if we) see a Kate flash foward, we'll find that she somehow will feel the guilt in some way.

This got me thinking about the person in the coffin and Jack saying that he wasn't family or a friend.

Was he actually LYING in that funeral home? Part of the cover-up the Oceanic Six are perpetrating? Did the person in the coffin die because of his (or her) own guilty feelings? Is there a pattern of destructive behavior going on? Hurley's desperate getaway from the cops. Jack's addictions. And whatever we don't yet know about the others who were rescued......

[rytonj]

This got me thinking about the person in the coffin and Jack saying that he wasn't family or a friend.

Was he actually LYING in that funeral home? Part of the cover-up the Oceanic Six are perpetrating? Did the person in the coffin die because of his (or her) own guilty feelings? Is there a pattern of destructive behavior going on? Hurley's desperate getaway from the cops. Jack's addictions. And whatever we don't yet know about the others who were rescued......

Not sure if this has been speculated before, but I think the person in the coffin was a suicide. Also I think the person was a relative of one of the survivors of the crash. From the first episode of Season 4, it appears that the Oceanic 6 are saying that there were no other survivors.

The person in the coffin is a relative of a survivor who lost hope after the Oceanic 6 returned and said there were no other survivors. Jack felt guilty after reading the clipping as if he was able to tell the truth about the survivors, this person wouldn't have died.

This might be why Jack said that he was neither friend or family, and why he couldn't elaborate further at the funeral home.

[Laneesmom]

And Charlie said "You KNOW they need you!"......so all still on the island must be "OK"..but in a bad situation.

Maybe Hurley apologized for going with John, because Jack's group could have used help when things go wrong wih the "rescuers".

this is so interesting. I will hate for LOST to be over but I can't wait to see how everything plays out!

[tweetyfsu]

what if Sawyer was one of the 6 and he was in the coffin. Jack would be upset I think even though they didn't really get along. Maybe Sawyer did something to piss Kate off - hence why would I go. He had no family or friends - no one that would show up to the funeral.

Also, I think it could be Hurley too. Although he has family we have no idea what has happened to them. Kate was never close with hurley - so why would she go? Maybe Hurley was killed by whoever is leading the coverup that is the oceanic 6? Jack is so upset because he is tired of lying and wants it all to end.

[tonic]

my 2 cents...

obviously there were people left on the island. i don't think that's even debatable.

the oceanic six are lying not just about the existence of the other survivors but the existence of the island. no one is forcing them to do this. my guess is the freighters are going to try and kill everyone like ben said. somehow they will be stopped. in the process of stopping them the six will escape, but only out of an effort to save the other survivors.

the only way the freighters were able to find the island was through the signal of the satellite phone. once that's destroyed, they can't zero in on the island anymore. so once the six got off the island, whoever was funding the freighters would want the six in order to find the island again. the six know that if they help the freighters find the island again, everybody on the island will definitely be killed. therefore they lie about the existence of the island and allow themselves to become celebrities in order to protect themselves from whoever is looking for the island.

the question for me is do the six want to get back to the island to merely rescue the other survivors from the island or do they want to go back because the other survivors were left in a very bad situation - perhaps they were still under attack by the freighters?

and i think its a distinct possibility that michael and walt are part of the oceanic six, although i think its more likely that michael and walt are in hiding. but i definitely think michael and walt will play a big role in how the six manage to get back to the island.

[tweetyfsu]

I don't think Michael and Walt ever actually escaped the island. I think the Locke vision of walt wasn't him, just a vision. I'm not sure Micheal and walt even exist anymore...

[stunnedtina]

in the finale jack says im tired of lying ......
tonight hurley and jack talks about not telling anyone the secret
the guy who comes to visit hurley says "there all alive arent they"

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

im sure other people figured this out but i got excited cause it just clicked ,lol

~happy LOST SEASON 4

Exactly my thoughts on it. I believe that whoever wanted to stay stayed and the ones who left, so far we know that Jack, Kate and Hurley were part of the 6 who got off the island....so whoever stayed they said didn't make it. Now they are having a hard time dealing with that. Or that's what it looks like anyway.

[jvfks]

its a good theory. what bugs me is that Ben knows what is going on but no one will listen to him. If he thinks everyone is going to die if these people find the island, than he knows something we do not. Which is what. What does he know about Dharma that we dont know. Maybe that there intentions are somehow evil. I dont knowhow. Possible exploitation of the island and Ben doesn't want anyone else to know about it because it will become overpopulated. I have no idea.

that is what has me curious.... when tied to the tree he was absolutely sure everyone who left would die.

[Mitchy S.]

It kind of reminds me of Stephen King's "It"

[KJ_JK]

**I argee.. >>I also think they left people behind<<**:blank::blank:

[SavageScott]

I think there's a very subtle hint near the start of the episode. When Hurley gets arrested and is being interviewed by the cop, the cop mentions how he used to be partners with Ana Lucia and asks Hurley, and this is the important part, if he met Ana on the plane, or, before he got on the plane. Now think about this logically... If there were 40ish survivors of a plane crash, and some came back but not your friend, you'd ask "did you meet _______ before the crash, or on the island??". It's VERY odd how he neglected to ask about the island.

You see? No-one knows there IS an island. That's the big secret that Hurley's is not meant to "tell" anyone about (of which Jack checked on in the latter half of the episode).

I thought about that a little more, and I remembered in season 3 where the girl who crashed on the island from the 'rescue ship' told the losties that "their bodies were found in the ocean".

To me, it sounds like there is a strong notion of a cover up here. Someone doesn't want the existence of the Island to get out. Could it be what's left of Dharma? I'm not sure. Another interesting question is what happened to the "oceanic 6", especially Hurley and Jack, that has them so hesitant about spilling their guts about what's happened to them?!?

Also, there's been some evidence of the, let's say, degradation, of the losties who left the island. Maybe the people behind the coverup are the cause of this? The black man who visited Hurley? Maybe the person in the coffin was murdered? It's possible that the moral weight of Jack's choices made his depressed (season 3 finale), but maybe it was these people trying to manipulate the oceanic 6 into either being scared to talk or diminishing their credibility / reputation (think about it... hurley going to a mental institution).

p.s. remember season 3 finale? Jack kept catching the AIRLINES in the hope of crashing onto the island. This seems like an act of desperation by someone who is being forced to keep his mouth shut. A doctor with money could easily get a crew together to search for the island.
p.s.2. excuse the rambling nature of the post, but I do think the the subtle hint in the 1st paragraph is VERY important.


I agree that it is very odd that the Cop does not ask Hugo about having met Ana Lucia on this island. However, where / how does he believe the Oceanic 6 survived for all those months?

Also, for all of the, "Whos in the coffin" askers, do not forget that when asked, "Friend or Family?", Jack replied with, "neither". I think that safely rules out many of the people previously named in this thread.

[Joshua James]

I think that something different happened to the ones that were rescued in "Locke's group" than "Jack's group". We know Kate and Jack were 2 of the six rescued, and Kate seems fine living her new normal life and although Jack feels guilty about something, (leaving the others behind?), he doesn't seem as "plagued" as Hurley, who is seeing visions and whatnot.

So i think Hurley is saying "I'm sorry -- You were right! Shoulda stuck with your group!" because something bad happened to that group. Parallel to the tail end and front end of the plane perhaps? :)

but isn't it weird that after he apologizes he says, 'i don't think we did the right thing, jack. i think it wants us to come back. and it is going to do everything it can to bring us back.'

i guess i'm confused on why he would apologize for going with locke if ultimately he feels that they shouldn't have left.

[Joshua James]

I think there's a very subtle hint near the start of the episode. When Hurley gets arrested and is being interviewed by the cop, the cop mentions how he used to be partners with Ana Lucia and asks Hurley, and this is the important part, if he met Ana on the plane, or, before he got on the plane. Now think about this logically... If there were 40ish survivors of a plane crash, and some came back but not your friend, you'd ask "did you meet _______ before the crash, or on the island??". It's VERY odd how he neglected to ask about the island.

You see? No-one knows there IS an island. That's the big secret that Hurley's is not meant to "tell" anyone about (of which Jack checked on in the latter half of the episode).

I thought about that a little more, and I remembered in season 3 where the girl who crashed on the island from the 'rescue ship' told the losties that "their bodies were found in the ocean".

To me, it sounds like there is a strong notion of a cover up here. Someone doesn't want the existence of the Island to get out. Could it be what's left of Dharma? I'm not sure. Another interesting question is what happened to the "oceanic 6", especially Hurley and Jack, that has them so hesitant about spilling their guts about what's happened to them?!?

Also, there's been some evidence of the, let's say, degradation, of the losties who left the island. Maybe the people behind the coverup are the cause of this? The black man who visited Hurley? Maybe the person in the coffin was murdered? It's possible that the moral weight of Jack's choices made his depressed (season 3 finale), but maybe it was these people trying to manipulate the oceanic 6 into either being scared to talk or diminishing their credibility / reputation (think about it... hurley going to a mental institution).

p.s. remember season 3 finale? Jack kept catching the AIRLINES in the hope of crashing onto the island. This seems like an act of desperation by someone who is being forced to keep his mouth shut. A doctor with money could easily get a crew together to search for the island.
p.s.2. excuse the rambling nature of the post, but I do think the the subtle hint in the 1st paragraph is VERY important.

very good catch. i like this a lot.

[HurleyGirlie]

How do we know Jack isn't seeing "visions" like Hurley? Something clearly happens to Jack after playing HORSE with Hurley because he grows the beard like he said, but he also goes round the bend and tries to kill himself. I think Jack is haunted too. And how do we know Kate is real? Maybe Kate is Jack's Charlie. We've seen flashforwards from Jack & Hurley's perspective, but not Kate's. Not so sure she's one of the 6.

[roland54]

I'm with those who think that The Big Lie - the one that Jack (in TTLG) is sick of telling - is that The Six are the only survivors of the Crash - off the coast of Bali. The Six have sworn (possibly to each other) not to mention The Island or anyone Left Behind.

The Conspiracy of Future-Seers who herded our Losties onto Flight 815, however, know of the existence of The Island and suspect the existence of other 815 survivors. The "Attorney" represents this group and was hoping to move Hugo to a Facility in which he could be more thoroughly, er, debriefed.

Hugo tells Jack that The Island wants them to come back and will do everything it can ... [to make them want to go back]. I'm thinking that by the time Hugo tells this to Jack, he's already almost ready to do so.

The fact that "Charlie" told Hugo that "you have to do something" implies that there is something that Hugo can do or say that would help those Left Behind ... those who "need" him.

Jack, however isn't yet ready to go back. But by the FF in TTLG, he's desperate to go back. Why? It seems to me mostly because his off-Island life has turned out to be such a personal catastrophe, not because he wants to go back and help his Left Behind friends.

[GuardianAngel]

I'm also wondering why Hurley lied about Ana-Lucia. My thought is is that the 6 said that everyone but them died in the crash. That's why the cop asked Hurley if he met Ana-Lucia before the plane took off instead of asking him if they met on the island.

On the island, all the things that happened make sense to the survivors (or not, since Michael shot her and no one was ok with that). But why would Hurley say to Ana Lucia's partner "Yes, I knew her, I met her after the plane crashed actually and then she died."

[kimmie1001]

So who do you think was in the casket in the 3rd season finale?

[wednesdaynight]

If Michael is one of the 6, then he might accidentally let it slip that Michael shot her. Better to keep the secret and say he never met her.
I think they are keeping the island's existence a secret--somehow--Maybe Michael comes and picks up the 6 in his boat, and they all get to the rendevous point together, and become the Oceanic 6??
SO FUN TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!! :)

[MightyMouse]

I agree that it is very odd that the Cop does not ask Hugo about having met Ana Lucia on this island. However, where / how does he believe the Oceanic 6 survived for all those months?

Also, for all of the, "Whos in the coffin" askers, do not forget that when asked, "Friend or Family?", Jack replied with, "neither". I think that safely rules out many of the people previously named in this thread.

With Jack so tired of lying, what makes you think he told the truth there, too?

[L0STinNorth]

Also, something happened to Hurley that obviously didn't happen to Jack or Kate. He was seeing these "visions" that were haunting him. Perhaps the ones that were saved in Locke's group had a different experience than that of Jack's group.


Hmm...I'm thinking Jacob happened to them. I mean, what happened to them has got something to do with him. Just got the feeling.

[Dugald]

I think it's fairly obviously that a great deal changes between the "present" events on the island and the "future" events we see in the flash-forwards. My suspicion is that, for whatever reason, the "Oceanic Six" left the island either under duress or as part of a willful plot to hide the island from the world at large. What they learned about the island between their contacting the freighter and their departure is presumably what we'll learn between now and the end of the series.

It seems likely that there are more than six who left the island, though. My initial theory was that Locke was the (supposedly) dead man who Jack went to see, but that theory no longer holds up considering that, as one of the Oceanic 6, Locke would have been a minor celebrity. Hence, neither his nondescript obituary nor his anonymous funeral reception would be possible, as his death would garner media attention. Granting that it would be a bit weak if the dead man were not a character we'd met yet, and also that the name glimpsed in the obituary clipping didn't seem familiar to us, it would seem we're dealing with someone living under a fabricated identity.

All of this would be consistent with someone who was not a 815 passenger, who had no social connections in the outside world, who Jack would not consider a friend (but whose identity he emotionally tied to the island), and who Kate, apparently, pointedly disliked (if not hated). At the moment, this seems to point towards Ben, and that would make at least seven (though I'm guessing the actual total is, not surprisingly, eight...).

[tailz03]

I just can't figure out why Kate would be one of the ones that chose to leave the island. Right now it's one of the biggest plot holes on the show for me... she's still a wanted fugitive. If she leaves the island, one would think she'd be going to jail. Is she just assuming at this point that she'll be pardoned for murder just because she's gone through a rough few months? :rolleyes:

thats like the easiest question to answer ever, shes obviously pregnant so she HAD to leave the island otherwise she would die.. simple.

[whoopiedoo]

Some kind of deal had to go down

[Furious Coder]

I think they definitely left people behind. Something very bad must have happened. I think a lot of them probably died... and a handful of them stayed and the 6 assumed that the rest would get on a second boat or something. Then when they were rescued they were told that you have to sign a form agreeing to this story... or else we will kill you. Something like that. That if they tell what really happened that someone would be after them.

My guess, based on the end of Season 3 and this episode is that once they left the island, they realized they couldn't get back to rescue the ones who were left behind. Since the world already thought the plane crashed in the ocean, it was easier for them to go along with the story that they were the only survivors. Better to let people think that they died and were not still living somewhere, trapped forever. Of course, it's eating away at them, and Jack desperately wants to get back there so he can try to get everyone else off the island, which is why he's flying across the Pacific every weekend.

If not that, upon leaving the island they finally saw what a threat it would be to the rest of the world and the remaining survivors if another rescue was attempted.

[bartman]

How do we know Jack isn't seeing "visions" like Hurley? Something clearly happens to Jack after playing HORSE with Hurley because he grows the beard like he said, but he also goes round the bend and tries to kill himself. I think Jack is haunted too. And how do we know Kate is real? Maybe Kate is Jack's Charlie. We've seen flashforwards from Jack & Hurley's perspective, but not Kate's. Not so sure she's one of the 6.

I had the same thought! There's certainly reason to believe Kate is just another haunting vision... wouldn't that help explain why Jack kept getting the repetitive operator message when trying to call Kate? Any why she is so calm?

[AliCat]

thats like the easiest question to answer ever, shes obviously pregnant so she HAD to leave the island otherwise she would die.. simple.

Or she at least *thinks* she is, maybe from Ben's manipulations or the like. Good idea, tailz03. :up:

[~Evangeline~]

It just seems to me that haunting visions usually appear out of nowhere (like Charlie did) and disappear the same way. Kate drove a car.

Other than that, I actually like the idea. She did look a little strange, at least I thought she did... quite different from on-island-Kate.
I don't really believe it, though - nice thought anyway. Would add a whole new twist to the S3 finale.

[NatashaK]

in the finale jack says im tired of lying ......
tonight hurley and jack talks about not telling anyone the secret
the guy who comes to visit hurley says "there all alive arent they"

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

im sure other people figured this out but i got excited cause it just clicked ,lol

~happy LOST SEASON 4

I believe he says "Are they still alive?" not "They're all alive." So who knows, maybe everyone is dead (hopefully not though!).

[NatashaK]

It's driving me crazy too. lol!
Whatever the reason, there must be stiff consequences for the Oceanic 6 if they open their mouths & tell what they know.
Maybe they've threatened to kill the possibly remaining losties on the island if the Oceanic 6 talk? Maybe they've promised to eventually integrate the remaining losties back into the real world at some time in the future & tell the Oceanic 6 that they won't do this if they talk?
For some reason, I just don't think that the Oceanic 6 left the island without any guilt from leaving the other losties behind. I think that they were happy & living good lives until they realized that they were being lied to. (Like Hurley beginning to have visions of Charlie & I assume that the island will eventually begin to draw Jack back as well, which drives him to desperation)

I agree with parts of your theory. I don't know about integrating the others back into society but I do know that Jack has always wanted to help everyone off the island and I don't think he would leave them behind and keep quiet unless he was forced to (or unless they wanted him to).

Also, don't forget that a lot of of illegal activities took place on the island. Maybe many of the Oceanic 6 has blood on their hands or are covering up for each other.

[Red Neck Man]

Also, don't forget that a lot of of illegal activities took place on the island. Maybe many of the Oceanic 6 has blood on their hands or are covering up for each other.

That's a good one ;)

[haleypark1]

random thought..
in the end of season 3, Jack asks Kate if she's "going to the funeral"
the funeral would have to be one of the Oceanic 6, right?
who else would be so important to Jack and Kate? They didn't know each other outside of the island.

Holy crap this show is intense.

[guru1984]

Can someone confirm whether I figured this all right?

Future from this episode (with Hurley) happens before future from last episode of season 3 right?
Because in this episode Hurley asks Jack is he starting to operate again and he sais yes...and in last episode of season 3 he was already working in the hospital (where they took that woman who crashed). Also he said that he is thinking to grow beard and in last episode of season 3 he has it.

[Arca]

Right.

Flash-Forward of Season 3 takes probably place before Flash-Forward of last episode.

[guyvsdcsniper]

Can someone confirm whether I figured this all right?

Future from this episode (with Hurley) happens before future from last episode of season 3 right?
Because in this episode Hurley asks Jack is he starting to operate again and he sais yes...and in last episode of season 3 he was already working in the hospital (where they took that woman who crashed). Also he said that he is thinking to grow beard and in last episode of season 3 he has it.

Yeah, it seems as though that is the order of events. Guess we'll find out though.

[VincentIsTheMan]

Something just occurred to me...when Hurley and Jack are playing basketball, Jack asks Hurley if he's going to tell the truth. Hurley doesn't give him an answer. I'm guessing that Hurley did say something, and was killed by whoever wanted him to keep quiet (although I don't think the coffin was Hurley's). I'm wondering if Hurley's death is what pushes Jack over the edge. That may also explain why Jack is so driven to go back to the island - so Hurley's death isn't in vain.

[JACKATE]

What I got from lost is creating more mystries and not solving any :D

my answer to this question is "I have no idea"

I LOVE LOST :)

[Hoffernator]

When watching the episode, towards the end of Hurley and Jack's conversation before Jack is about to leave you can see a black object (Possibly someone's head) stick up above where the backboard is and duck back down. It only lasts for small second but can be seen very easily if paying attention while watching it (I recommend seeing this while watching instead of viewing the screen caps because it is easier to see what I'm talking about on the actual footage).

Right before object:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/hofffy/gym3.png

Object can be seen here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/hofffy/gym2.png

Object gone:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/hofffy/gym1.png

Is this someone trying to find out the secret that both Hurley and Jack know (Maybe the "Lawyer", Matthew Abbadon, who tried to talk to Hurley)? Or is this just an accident made when filming?

[Angela12]

Interesting catch! But I doubt it's meaningful. Jack's visit seems to have been unplanned and unexpected, so it's unlikely that anyone would be lurking about in anticipation of it to eavesdrop.

[Corb_N]

It's Dave, wondering why Hurley is playing basketball with someone else.

[kaorumorite]

i just thought of something.. when they played HORSE didnt jack say something like hes got some grand thing associated with being a doctor? i cant remeber what he said exactly.. but he said he was doing well right? maybe he said something like.. the reason so many people survived (6 is alot i supose for a plain that crashed in the middle of the ocean) was because he was a doctor and was able to help save as many people as he cold etc. idk. just an idea for if they were brought back and made to keep it a secret.. having jack survive would be a good way to cover up why they lived. (i am bad at explaining sorry)

oh i meant to say.. so now hes been awarded for being a hero or something? idk. and maybe hes "sick of lying" about that

[brianbrianbrian]

It seemed to me that Hurley was protecting those left on the island by not admitting that there was anybody else left alive at all. Others and crash survivors both. I guess What happned on the island stays on the island. He didnt even admit anything about being on an island.

He sure didnt trust that guy was really an attorney.

Its going to drive me crazy till I know why its such a secret. Must be big otherwise what would it matter if afterwards he said they are still there...go and get them?

Maybe regrets returning to real life. It looks to me like the Oceanic 6 are all messed up now that they've returned to real life. Maybe Hurley's protecting the people on the island because he now knows that its better there. They are his friends and he wants the best for them - If he says there's more on the island, people will go rescue them but he wants them to stay on the island where its better.

[demented drummer]

I'm with those who think that The Big Lie - the one that Jack (in TTLG) is sick of telling - is that The Six are the only survivors of the Crash - off the coast of Bali. The Six have sworn (possibly to each other) not to mention The Island or anyone Left Behind.

The Conspiracy of Future-Seers who herded our Losties onto Flight 815, however, know of the existence of The Island and suspect the existence of other 815 survivors. The "Attorney" represents this group and was hoping to move Hugo to a Facility in which he could be more thoroughly, er, debriefed.

Hugo tells Jack that The Island wants them to come back and will do everything it can ... [to make them want to go back]. I'm thinking that by the time Hugo tells this to Jack, he's already almost ready to do so.

The fact that "Charlie" told Hugo that "you have to do something" implies that there is something that Hugo can do or say that would help those Left Behind ... those who "need" him.

Jack, however isn't yet ready to go back. But by the FF in TTLG, he's desperate to go back. Why? It seems to me mostly because his off-Island life has turned out to be such a personal catastrophe, not because he wants to go back and help his Left Behind friends.

Great post. :nod:

The 'secret' is definitely what's got me thinking the most after the premiere. Whatever it is, it's huge.

[xSureShotx]

in the finale jack says im tired of lying ......
tonight hurley and jack talks about not telling anyone the secret
the guy who comes to visit hurley says "there all alive arent they"

The secret is that they lied and said theres nobody left ...now they are pondering whether they made the right decision

im sure other people figured this out but i got excited cause it just clicked ,lol

~happy LOST SEASON 4

haha ya, I agree. Btw referring to your sig, Sayid is the best

[tracey1302]

Something just occurred to me...when Hurley and Jack are playing basketball, Jack asks Hurley if he's going to tell the truth. Hurley doesn't give him an answer. I'm guessing that Hurley did say something, and was killed by whoever wanted him to keep quiet (although I don't think the coffin was Hurley's). I'm wondering if Hurley's death is what pushes Jack over the edge. That may also explain why Jack is so driven to go back to the island - so Hurley's death isn't in vain.

It's a good idea, but I don't think it's Hurley who has died.

Kate seemed confused, and almost offended and disgusted by Jack questioning her absence at the funeral. Hurley is a lovable character, I can't imagine he would have done something so bad to warrant her not attending his funeral... even if we don't know what happened between this recent flash forward and the later one in TTLG.

What I don't understand is if this secret was so huge, and if we're assuming the Oceanic 6 aren't allowed to communicate with one another, and if they're being tracked and followed... why wasn't Jack followed in the same way that Hurley was? No-one seemed to be tracking him when he met up with Kate, even though Kate wasn't given the same luxury of 'freedom'.

Puzzling....

[anotherlife23]

What really gets to me is the fact that Jack is the type of guy that NEVER and i mean NEVER leaves someone behind as he has learnt from his mistakes (death of his supercool dad). We have proof of this during the 2 explosions and 1 failed at the end of season 3, he tells everyone they have to go back while everyone convinces him not to. Hurleys flashforward to me does not seem like Jack seemed regretful or even ashamed of what went on or what has happended to the losties so i think we have alot more to see :)

Maudlin.

[benos]

I guess this guy met them all, but somehow Hurley does not have a clear memory of him.

[Y2Kyle]

It's a good idea, but I don't think it's Hurley who has died.

Kate seemed confused, and almost offended and disgusted by Jack questioning her absence at the funeral. Hurley is a lovable character, I can't imagine he would have done something so bad to warrant her not attending his funeral... even if we don't know what happened between this recent flash forward and the later one in TTLG.

What I don't understand is if this secret was so huge, and if we're assuming the Oceanic 6 aren't allowed to communicate with one another, and if they're being tracked and followed... why wasn't Jack followed in the same way that Hurley was? No-one seemed to be tracking him when he met up with Kate, even though Kate wasn't given the same luxury of 'freedom'.

Puzzling....

If it's Hurley who died it explains why no one was at the funeral, with his bad luck practically his whole family died, his other friends are on the island and his other friend who quit that fast food restaurant with him isn't friends with him anymore?

[bubbajo]

I think there was a list of some sort with the losties that the rescuers were told to rescue. Maybe they were forced to leave some people behind against thier will and were told to tell no one about it. I think locke had something to do with people getting left behind. Now they are feeling guilty about the way they left the island.

[TheCrowing619]

Edit: Wrong thread

[boug]

I thought about that a little more, and I remembered in season 3 where the girl who crashed on the island from the 'rescue ship' told the losties that "their bodies were found in the ocean".

To me, it sounds like there is a strong notion of a cover up here. Someone doesn't want the existence of the Island to get out. Could it be what's left of Dharma? I'm not sure. Another interesting question is what happened to the "oceanic 6", especially Hurley and Jack, that has them so hesitant about spilling their guts about what's happened to them?!?



Hello! My first post here!

This is the main thing we have to follow I guess. Who would be powerful enough to put on such a lie (And why?) if not Dharma?

To build everything on this Island, they must be pretty powerful... So they also must own the rescue boat that has just arrived. And with what Ben did to them (Killing everybody!) they must be a little furious too...

They are big enough to have people everywhere (Police, politic, army, etc..) so this is why "ocean 6" have to be so careful and are so afraid... I guess!:rolleyes:

[willymartin]

The Island must have some type of incredible accelerated healing powers which work on some individuals but not all. For example, Locke has been healed from paralysis and most recently recovered from a point black gunshot to the abdomen. Zaid has been shot in the arm yet shows no impairment. The cyclops other who detonated the grenade outside the Looking Glass had been shot in the chest with a spear gun yet was able to swim outside the station to explode the hatch window (my guess is he isn't dead either). So we don't know for certain that Jack's father has in fact died (perhaps he too was bitten by the Medusa spider) or that even Locke's father has not recovered from his attack by Sawyer. Yet Shannon, Anna Lucia, Ethan remain dead. Puzzling to say the least.

[siwxyz]

It's a good idea, but I don't think it's Hurley who has died.

Kate seemed confused, and almost offended and disgusted by Jack questioning her absence at the funeral. Hurley is a lovable character, I can't imagine he would have done something so bad to warrant her not attending his funeral... even if we don't know what happened between this recent flash forward and the later one in TTLG.


Puzzling....

I agree. I think the person in the coffin is not Hurley. The coffin was too small for a start. It has to be Michael. He's off island, will have no one attending his funeral as he would have had to adopted a false name to hide the secret of his esape, plus Kate would have despised him because he sold them out to the others.


It has to be Michael!

[forget me not]

What if only jack and hurly know there are (or there may be) still people on the island?maybe it's a secret between them.That would explain kate's indifference about going back...

what i think...in lock's team there are two sides.those who they want to stay on the island for their own reasons(lock,ben ,dannielle)and those who sided with him,not because they don't want to leave the island but because they don't believe that naomi's people are real rescuers(sawyer,hurly,clair)
when the time comes to leave the island ben and lock try to keep jack's team back by turning the two teams against each other.maybe there's some kind of a battle and an accident occurs(don't know something like an explosion) and many people die,except the ones who are rescued.that's why hurly's sorry for siding with lock,cause lock had his own agenda and used them for his purposes..and that's why people from the different teams get to be rescued.

So kate and the others think every one the island is dead,but jack and hurly may know(saw something or suspecting )there are still people alive and the guild is making them go crazy ...thus and the charlie appearances to hurly...

[davidwharton]

I think Jack and Hurley arent telling because they dont want the people on the island to get rescued. It makes sense - ever since they have returned home they have been unhappy, yet they were happy on the island. The are protecting the people there, and ultimately want to return themselves thus Jacks 'We Have to go Back'. I think its their own choice not to tell anyone about the island, as they want their friends, that live on the island, to be happy - as they have realised from returning home they have totally broken down.

In that mobisode, Ben says there will come a time that they want to return to the island, and it appears it is playing out just as he said.

Some series of events will have happened on the island to allow the 6 off the island - i don't think it was anyones choice to go, as most of the people would have gone, not just 6. Its probably a higher group of people choosing who leaves.

If they told anyone about the island, others would find it, so it would give them no benefit of returning - they have to keep quiet incase they want to return in the future.

in the final episode of the show, i think they will have returned to the island, and all the survivors will have become the others. The show will finish with jack running out into othersville (like ben does in 3x01) and there will be a plane crashing in the sky. Jack will say 'Jarrah, Ford - see that plane there may acctually be survivors.' he will then turn to kate and say 'i guess im out of the book club then'. The lost closing graphic will then come on.

[Skywalker]

This is fascinating. I feel like we're back at Season 1, where there are huge mysteries surrounding key plot lines.

I think one of the key points in this episode is the conversation between Jack and Hurely while playing basketball (HORSE). In particular, Hurely tells Jacks that he "...should have stayed with you and not gone with Locke". So what does Locke do? The way Jack says "…water under the bridge, man" makes it sound like the other lot were wrong and he isn't going to get on his high horse (no pun intended) about being right. For me it's how Hurely apologises. He accepts he made a mistake and yet not all of them got off the island. So what on earth actually happens?

I'm with those who think that The Big Lie - the one that Jack (in TTLG) is sick of telling - is that The Six are the only survivors of the Crash - off the coast of Bali. The Six have sworn (possibly to each other) not to mention The Island or anyone Left Behind.

The Conspiracy of Future-Seers who herded our Losties onto Flight 815, however, know of the existence of The Island and suspect the existence of other 815 survivors. The "Attorney" represents this group and was hoping to move Hugo to a Facility in which he could be more thoroughly, er, debriefed.

Hugo tells Jack that The Island wants them to come back and will do everything it can ... [to make them want to go back]. I'm thinking that by the time Hugo tells this to Jack, he's already almost ready to do so.

The fact that "Charlie" told Hugo that "you have to do something" implies that there is something that Hugo can do or say that would help those Left Behind ... those who "need" him.

Jack, however isn't yet ready to go back. But by the FF in TTLG, he's desperate to go back. Why? It seems to me mostly because his off-Island life has turned out to be such a personal catastrophe, not because he wants to go back and help his Left Behind friends.

Great post, and I agree with everything but the last paragraph. Something significant must happen for Jack to go from someone that appears to be happy and content with keeping secrets, to somebody that's "...sick of lying!” The very basis of his meeting with Kate in TTLG is related to the quote "...we made a mistake!” I just can't see Jack suddenly hating his life and releasing that he made a mistake leaving the island. Something must happen to make Jack sees things like Hurely, but on an even larger scale. In TTLG when Jack finds out that a certain someone has passed away, he’s prepared to whisper "...please forgive me" and then commit suicide. This is the complete opposite of what he was like in this episode. So in my opinion, something else must happen to push Jack over the edge.

[kgdaog]

Wooo first post ever!

Okay so I think the Oceanic six are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Juliet, Sayid, and Desmond. They are the more popular characters on the show (outside of Sawyer, Locke, Claire and her baby), so I think they will keep the around. I agree with everyone that thinks Jack and Hurley are talking about leaving a ton of people behind. That means, if everyone was left because they WANTED to stay on the island, that takes Locke off right away because he loves the island, and I think there has to be another HUGE death over the next two years and Sawyer would be one of the top candidates with his kamikaze style of life/ love for Kate(maybe he sacrifices himself to save her or something). And for some reason I just dont think Claire would make it off the island, but its a definite possibilty it could be her and Aaron rather than Sayid and Desmond. I think Juliet would be one of the people willing to give up paradise in order to get off the island to see her sister.

I also agree with everyone that thinks the coffin in the FF was containing Michael, because, like a few people have said, he sold out the losties to get off the island and Kate probably held a grudge. But WHAT IF Locke is in the coffin, and Kate was holding a grudge against him still? Ahhhh my brain is spinning!

[Hugh Jass]

I doubt michael would be in the coffin unless Walt is gone. Walt would have wanted to attend the funeral.

[shred]

I doubt michael would be in the coffin unless Walt is gone. Walt would have wanted to attend the funeral.
Topic of thread=Jack and Hurley's secret
Not topic of thread=Who's in the coffin?

There is a nice long thread somewhere for coffin chat. You would have found it if you had done a search.

[BenisUbercreepy]

This is fascinating. I feel like we're back at Season 1, where there are huge mysteries surrounding key plot lines.

I think one of the key points in this episode is the conversation between Jack and Hurely while playing basketball (HORSE). In particular, Hurely tells Jacks that he "...should have stayed with you and not gone with Locke". So what does Locke do? The way Jack says "…water under the bridge, man" makes it sound like the other lot were wrong and he isn't going to get on his high horse (no pun intended) about being right. For me it's how Hurely apologises. He accepts he made a mistake and yet not all of them got off the island. So what on earth actually happens?



Great post, and I agree with everything but the last paragraph. Something significant must happen for Jack to go from someone that appears to be happy and content with keeping secrets, to somebody that's "...sick of lying!” The very basis of his meeting with Kate in TTLG is related to the quote "...we made a mistake!” I just can't see Jack suddenly hating his life and releasing that he made a mistake leaving the island. Something must happen to make Jack sees things like Hurely, but on an even larger scale. In TTLG when Jack finds out that a certain someone has passed away, he’s prepared to whisper "...please forgive me" and then commit suicide. This is the complete opposite of what he was like in this episode. So in my opinion, something else must happen to push Jack over the edge.

a part of me thinks when jack goes "I'm Sick.....of lying" maybe he wanted to tell kate the truth but couldnt admit to it. maybe jack is sick like he has cancer or something.

[benos]

Yep, i guess this points out to Reddick wanting to know they are still alive, since he basically was part of the operations of the freighters, and did not get a update on the siutation of the survivors. So... Reddick won't be on the island, but possibly on the freighter, but i'm wondering if 6 people would fit on Libby's boat, since it might be still intact, and quite possibly on Hydra Island.

[Stormrider]

Maybe i'm just losing my mind a bit, or it's been too long since i saw the episode - but wasn't there a scene that seemed to show that the wreckage of flight 815 had been discovered - with bodies? like somewhere deep underwater?

So... WTF? if someone created that story as some sort of cover-up, they may very well be the people who are pressuring the lost survivors (who return to "civilization") to lie in terms of going along with a story... i don't know. Just thinking out loud here...

Naomi told Hurley that the Oceanic 815 plane was found with no survivors. Also if you played the http://www.find815.com game, you would see that Sam Thomas who was an Oceanic employee looking for his partner, Sonya, who was a flight attendant on Oceanic 815,discovered the plane sunk in the ocean and how he found the plane. See Dark UFO's site for more detailed information on the findings of the game: http://find815.blogspot.com/ If you haven't played the game, it is still up and you can go through all the chapters yourself for fun.

But..you are correct, it must be a cover up story and the plane probably was planted in the Sunda Trench. Since Sam Thomas was making a big deal about finding answers to what happened to the plane, someone had to do something to get Sam to stop looking and also give the families of the passengers some kind of evidence.

[Jadey_111]

Yes but if they had told them that no one was left then why was Hurley saved?

[Vashner]

Yes but if they had told them that no one was left then why was Hurley saved?

Well saved might not be the right word. Enslaved?

[Carmen x]

My initial thoughts to the 'Jack and Hurley playing basketball' scene was that they are both torn that they had to leave some people behind, but at the same time, they feel leaving them there was/is the safest thing to do because should ANYONE find out there are still survivors on the island, they will attempt to go to the island and....bad things will happen. Maybe they feel no good will ever come out of them telling people there's still survivors. Maybe they feel those that were left are in a safer place.

Though I say all that was my initial thoughts because all the theories here make more sense than mine! My theory is very vague, and I probably made no sense with it!

[EddieWard]

apologies if im getting something wrong as i'm not the most knowledgable person in this forum about lost but are jack and kate actually one of the 6? the 6 may not be 6 people who survive, it maybe a group of 6 people who did something else. again im sorry if im being completely stupid here.

[abblette]

My first thoughts are the other losties that got left behind, cos maybe for such a long time if 6 can survive they think the rest could of and maybe they found out something about the island

[ratio]

I think the whole, 'are you going to tell' thing
is about they know the location of the island, and they know its importance
and if the goverment, or police/military find out about it, something bad will happen

I also think, 'They need us' means, the people who came to the island to rescue them, are takingt over the island, and the hostiles need Jack and Hurley to prevent this from Happening

[ap4]

I don't think it's strange that Kate has left the island. I guess the new Dharma (?) people are quite powerful, and have told/convinced Kate to do something for them and in return she would no longer have to go to prison.

[evil]

I think the whole, 'are you going to tell' thing
is about they know the location of the island, and they know its importance
and if the goverment, or police/military find out about it, something bad will happen

I also think, 'They need us' means, the people who came to the island to rescue them, are takingt over the island, and the hostiles need Jack and Hurley to prevent this from Happening

I don't think that they exactly know where the island is located, as Jack
is trying to crash again at a venture by travelling from L.A. to Sidney every week.. (3x23)

[Antzstuff]

I'm thinking there's going to be some tough choice of who leaves the island. Maybe the 6 get off by cheating/betraying everyone else and have all agreed not to tell anyone what they've done. Guilt is driving them back to the island?

[chemguy1230]

Not sure if this has been speculated before, but I think the person in the coffin was a suicide. Also I think the person was a relative of one of the survivors of the crash. From the first episode of Season 4, it appears that the Oceanic 6 are saying that there were no other survivors.

The person in the coffin is a relative of a survivor who lost hope after the Oceanic 6 returned and said there were no other survivors. Jack felt guilty after reading the clipping as if he was able to tell the truth about the survivors, this person wouldn't have died.

This might be why Jack said that he was neither friend or family, and why he couldn't elaborate further at the funeral home.

Good thought but I think the coffin contains someone from the island Losties or Others. When he shows the clipping to Kate she is put off by it. That indicates that she not only immediately knows who it is but also dislikes them greatly. The coffin is small and I still think that it may be Walt given the neighborhood and Kate's reaction since Michael lied, and killed people to get off the island. Any other ideas?:)

[ABQPaladin]

Would the episode last season of Jack attending a viewing in a mortuary in line with this idea of who got off the island?

1> Could it be the funeral of one of the six? If so, wouldn't there be more of a showing for these "celebrities" instead of the funeral home director indicating that few to no people were there except for Jack?

2> If it was one of the six, could this stop them from going back to the island. The island gave up 6 people so 6 people have to go back to it.

3> If the death was of a survivor on the island then maybe the "secret" we seem to know about may have pushed this person over the edge.

Also, something just on the top of my head ...... Does anyone else see the survivors all becoming the opposite of what they were when they crashed on the island? Could this be an issue? For example .....

Jack - A follow the rules leader that becomes a revengeful, spontanious rebel in a way.

Kate - Someone trying to remain off the radar becomes one of the leading focal points of the storyline.

Sawyer - Self-reliant trouble maker becomes a caring compassionate guy who looks after the group.

Hurley - Unsure of himself and a non-issue kind of person becomes the inspiration, motivation and morale leader for the group.

Locke - Man who at first is a strong, straight forward boy scout becomes a dark figure with underlying motives.

You can continue the list. Just something I was seeing.

[shred]

Topic of thread=Jack and Hurley's secret
NOT TOPIC OF THREAD=Who's in the coffin?

There is a thread for the coffin in Season 3 forum.

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=61952

You newbies MUST read the Forum Rules. Now would be a good time.

[safe from harm]

the answer is simple, it's the Island's secret...

I bet Kate will go nuts soon

[nupinupi]

When watching the episode, towards the end of Hurley and Jack's conversation before Jack is about to leave you can see a black object (Possibly someone's head) stick up above where the backboard is and duck back down. It only lasts for small second but can be seen very easily if paying attention while watching it (I recommend seeing this while watching instead of viewing the screen caps because it is easier to see what I'm talking about on the actual footage).

You're really a good observer, I did not catch this the first time. I was just rewatching the episode, and it looks like a rather square thing, I dont think it's a head, even though is remarkable how it seems to ''hide'' (it quickly moved to a point where it was visible to a point where it was not) fairly quickly.

I think it must be a filming mistake, even though you never know with LOST, Dharma and its surrogates could be everywhere.:eh:

[shred]

^^The shadow is discussed in both the Easter Egg thread and the Oceaninc lawyer thread. Go there to discuss it.

[James Rieper]

So the two groups now left fought over something. A bunch of them were killed. A bunch of them were left behind when the chance to leave the island finally came.

One of those people who made it off was Michael, which is why Hugo doesn't want to talk about Ana-Lucia.

Whatever fiction they told the press, it didn't include them killing each other.

[Gibey]

So the two groups now left fought over something. A bunch of them were killed. A bunch of them were left behind when the chance to leave the island finally came.

One of those people who made it off was Michael, which is why Hugo doesn't want to talk about Ana-Lucia.

Whatever fiction they told the press, it didn't include them killing each other.

Are you saying that in the future more or all less all but six are dead? Just because they didn't leave the island doesn't mean they're not still living there.

[_noname_]

I just can't figure out why Kate would be one of the ones that chose to leave the island. Right now it's one of the biggest plot holes on the show for me... she's still a wanted fugitive. If she leaves the island, one would think she'd be going to jail. Is she just assuming at this point that she'll be pardoned for murder just because she's gone through a rough few months? :rolleyes:


umm, i believe, she still kept the passport that she burnt to give her a new identity that Sawyer showed to everyone...

and i believe, in the last episode in season 3, Jack said something like "he still love her(Kate)" and Kate said something about her needing to get back if not "he" will get suspicious or will wonder where she is...

i believe the he is someone we don't know.. not sawyer... i am guessin its the guy she said she was married once to when playing the :drinking game with sawyer in season 1...


just my guess.. cant really rmb everything... maybe i missed out some points.. please do comment

Wasnt it weird that hurley apologized to Jack for leaving with locke when locke came later in the episode. I mean WHATS going on here?? What did locke do for hurley to have to apologize to jack??? Is locke an "other" now????:confused:


i don't quite get this part too, does that mean that hurley wouldn't give a damn if charlie his good friend died for a cause? and would just follow the leader blindly? because i believe that they should follow John Locke.

but maybe he apologise because he expect everyone to rebel against John...
and does not prove that what Jack did was right, if he was, he most probably wouldn't be "hallucinating" in season 3... and now Hurley's turn... maybe as someone did mention, maybe he experienced some kind of ordeal on the island before he was rescued...

[kerry's lost]

i Know everyone is saying that kate was together in that scene with Jack in season but i don't think she was. i am sure that each of the 6 will all realise they have to go back at different times and her's comes later. It seemed to me that she was in deniel and was hurt and knew that Jack was right but thought that staying away was the best thing to do and that they had done the right thing.

i do not buy the fact that those 6 people got off and just decided to keep quiet. its to wierd for that. To protect the island yes and the survivers on it i do think they would do but they would not just decide not to go back and keep quiet between themselves. This is Jack we are talking about the guy who wouldnt leave without anyone behind

At the moment i am going with that they learn the lsland is special. They are forced to leave to protect it and if they tell about the survivers they will be killed and the island destroyed.

[apple82]

Wasnt it weird that hurley apologized to Jack for leaving with locke when locke came later in the episode. I mean WHATS going on here?? What did locke do for hurley to have to apologize to jack??? Is locke an "other" now????:confused:

you know i had a "bad" feel about this thing,because it seemed to me that jack was about to cry when hurley said it. so i think that something very bad happened to locke's team. what if locke made the same thing that ben made with his people when he was young? maybe he killed them all and hurley is the only onr who saved himself.

[shred]

you know i had a "bad" feel about this thing,because it seemed to me that jack was about to cry when hurley said it. so i think that something very bad happened to locke's team. what if locke made the same thing that ben made with his people when he was young? maybe he killed them all and hurley is the only onr who saved himself.
Well, that would be one possible explanation, but Charlie says "they need" Hurley, so someone must be alive and needing something.

[d3athjesterr]

maybe ben has some contacts in the real world and told them to create a cover-up for the 815 crash, explaining naomi saying that the plane was found in the ocean with bodies ?

[jckent123]

I'm thinking there's going to be some tough choice of who leaves the island. Maybe the 6 get off by cheating/betraying everyone else and have all agreed not to tell anyone what they've done. Guilt is driving them back to the island?

I sort of agree. My theory is sort of like saving private ryan. When they were under fire and the recusers got the boys and the pilot asked if they were all dead, the hispanic actor said yes, therefore causing the pilot to blow up the whole area while meg ryan was still alive there. sort of like this.
I think something happenned with the freighters and the rest of the losties had to go to a bunker or one of those dharma dungeons on order to survive a killing act. something like a bomb. the 6 that left say there aren't others because maybe they are taken hostage and they didn't know that would happen at first and then they end up fighting off the freighters and surviving but at that point they are too far from the the island to go back.
so maybe their guilt is eating away at them because the others are expecting they'd come back for them and they are stuuck in a dungeon.

Something interesting too. When bearded jack is drunk at the hospital, he is confronted by the chief of surgery. jack says for him to go upstairs and if he's more drunk than his father.... but at this point, his father is long dead. so why the reference to his dad as if he was upstairs in the hospital on another floor?

[Ninok]

It seemed clear to me that the Oceanic 6 are being forced to keep quiet about what exactly happened while they were gone. The big mystery will be why, and by who.
If you mean some threat to Jack and Co it's very OOC to Jack come in terms with that. He will never agree to lie about so many people, he more likely will risk his life and made what he think is right at the moment. And he felt himself quite comfortable (psychologically) right after getting off the island and didn't want to go back. So if he lied about people left on island it must be for their's sake or their's securuty. Or freighter people promised him something, maybe to rescue others later...

[HaveANiceDay05]

Oh I definitely agree. As far as the general public is concerned, there was no island. There was no 40+ survivors. The plane crashed in the Sundra Trench, everyone was though dead, but miraculously six survived. That's the cover up story I believe. The biggest question obviously is who's orchestrating it.

that sounds like the most plausible theory, but how would the people covering up the plane crash explain the sixty or so days they went without rescue? Does time go faster on the island, hence walt's growth? this is such a good show!

[desireecamila]

i thought the same

tal vez en el final de la season 3 cuando kate dice que alguien la espera, quien la espera
es un oficial de la policia.

[LadyIrina]

tal vez en el final de la season 3 cuando kate dice que alguien la espera, quien la espera
es un oficial de la policia.

This is an English language forum. English only please, and do read the rules if you haven't.

[davidwharton]

After 4x02 it appears the statment 'are they still alive' is talking about wether the team Matthew Abaddon sent to the island are still alive. It appears the losties will kill the 'rescuers' in an attempt to get off the island, and Matthew Abaddon is looking for them.

What does everyone think?

[hobbit_of_cyy]

I think that Jack & Hurley are the main primaries of this season. I mean why else would they have started S4 with Hurley and ended S3 with Jack/Kate?

[phill]

I think that they ultimately want to go back because they have unfinished business; they still haven't had closure or redeemed themselves - the whole story in s1 and 2. Michael and Walt got back but didn't make a fuss so that the secret of Michael shooting libby and anna l didnt get out. i think they will turn up though but will not form part of the 6. only people on the plane will be classed as in the 6 so not danielle, juliette, ben etc i also dont think they would count aaron as one of the six. so the dead person is either one of the 6, not on the plane, or someone else from the island. ironically it could be christian again, in another coffin! When Naomi said give love to my sister - i think she hasn't got a sister and it was a code for something!!!

[buttaz420]

maybe everyone on the island wanted to stay except the Oceanic 6. So the Oceaninc 6 are protecting the people who chose to stay by saying that only those 6 survived.