3X20 The Man Behind the Curtain

[Superpally]

The Man Behind the Curtain
Wednesday, May 9 at 10/9c
(A Ben-centric episode)

Ben begrudgingly begins to introduce Locke to the secrets of the island, beginning with the mysterious Jacob.

Don't forget that any spoilery discussion needs to be spoiler tagged until the episode has aired in the US. :)

[Lela]

Opps for got about discussion the episode here. :o

All day today Iv'e been mad and mean about Kate. It will past tho I'm just venting. :D

Well as it looks like in the sneak peek 2 Kate seems not to notice that our boy is not in camp and not only that but egnord him and didn't even look at him when he ask a simple Q. :mad: And the only time she did is when Sayid told James to let her lesson to the tape. And thats when she look at James and ask him in a demanding voice "What tape. :rolleyes:

Even tho she does not know that he was gone or what happend to him you don't do that to your lover or your friend and she did. And I hate to say this but it's James folt for always letting things past with out him making it a big deal. And she thinks she can treat him or talk to him anyway she wans with out him puching her away.

[Ginger]

This is a spoiler for tonight's episode. I guess I should put it here...


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038267,00.html


NON-Skate''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

[Miss26thofmay]

Okay, I am going to defend Kate. She did not know Sawyer was gone, because he was not gone for long, not even a whole day. She does not have to be attached to his hip 24/7 and he does not have to tell her when he leaves the camp. Not enough time has passed to miss him, she was obviously not in camp herself, I think she was picking fruit when she stumbled across Hurley and Sayid. That does not bother me.

Her easy attitude of "Jack is a doctor, he needs to know about Naomi so I told him in front of the Other. I don't know where they are, as soon as I gave them the info about a possible rescue, they took off. Don't worry, that is not at all suspious, he had a right to know" makes me angry. This is not about Jack-obsession anymore, she wants the whole camp to know, it is plain stupid to not suspect something might be wrong with this. For all she knows Juliet and Jack are off passing on the information via a hidden walkie talkie. Sayid has every right to be angry at her.

ETA: 2 words to Locke: You're Jacob. Are those three? No think about it, Ben leads him to a room and there is a huge mirror. Or it is something as banal as "Free Pizza" ;)

[Leah Kate]

This is a spoiler for tonight's episode. I guess I should put it here...


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038267,00.html


NON-Skate''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''
Innnteresting.

And I don't know why this is, but EVERY time I see the title "The Man Behind the Curtain" - I read it as "The Man Behind the Shower Curtain." And then I get this horrible mental image of a naked Ben in silhouette, using one of those back scrubber things and singing. Why, God, WHY!?!

[demented drummer]

This is a spoiler for tonight's episode. I guess I should put it here...


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038267,00.html


NON-Skate''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

:blank:

Very interesting.

Looks like we're going to have fun this afternoon guessing what the two words are. :giggle:

How about 'Jack's evil?' :p

Seriously though, maybe something like 'I'm Jacob' by Ben? :shifty:

[Clarisse Aniston]

Okay, I am going to defend Kate. She did not know Sawyer was gone, because he was not gone for long, not even a whole day. She does not have to be attached to his hip 24/7 and he does not have to tell her when he leaves the camp. Not enough time has passed to miss him, she was obviously not in camp herself, I think she was picking fruit when she stumbled across Hurley and Sayid. That does not bother me.


Couldn't agree more.

[Lyly Ford]

This is a spoiler for tonight's episode. I guess I should put it here...


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038267,00.html


NON-Skate''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

:shock: wow ! sound very interesting

[demented drummer]

Okay, I am going to defend Kate. She did not know Sawyer was gone, because he was not gone for long, not even a whole day. She does not have to be attached to his hip 24/7 and he does not have to tell her when he leaves the camp. Not enough time has passed to miss him, she was obviously not in camp herself, I think she was picking fruit when she stumbled across Hurley and Sayid. That does not bother me.

Her easy attitude of "Jack is a doctor, he needs to know about Naomi so I told him in front of the Other. I don't know where they are, as soon as I gave them the info about a possible rescue, they took off. Don't worry, that is not at all suspious, he had a right to know" makes me angry. This is not about Jack-obsession anymore, she wants the whole camp to know, it is plain stupid to not suspect something might be wrong with this. For all she knows Juliet and Jack are off passing on the information via a hidden walkie talkie. Sayid has every right to be angry at her.

I completely agree with you May. I just wonder what her reaction to the tape is going to be? Although i woud love to see her being pissed at Jack for trusting someone who is apparenty a mole, i've got a horrible feeling she'll place the blame 100% on Juliet's shoulders. We're so used to seeing her being submissive and blind when it comes to Jack that i find it hard to believe she would acually be upset with him for bringing Juliet to camp and trusting her. :rolleyes:

LK. *shudder* I'm trying to eat my lunch here. :p

[Saturnine]

Okay, I am going to defend Kate. She did not know Sawyer was gone, because he was not gone for long, not even a whole day. She does not have to be attached to his hip 24/7 and he does not have to tell her when he leaves the camp. Not enough time has passed to miss him, she was obviously not in camp herself, I think she was picking fruit when she stumbled across Hurley and Sayid. That does not bother me.

Her easy attitude of "Jack is a doctor, he needs to know about Naomi so I told him in front of the Other. I don't know where they are, as soon as I gave them the info about a possible rescue, they took off. Don't worry, that is not at all suspious, he had a right to know" makes me angry. This is not about Jack-obsession anymore, she wants the whole camp to know, it is plain stupid to not suspect something might be wrong with this. For all she knows Juliet and Jack are off passing on the information via a hidden walkie talkie. Sayid has every right to be angry at her.

I'm going to reply this by quote the message I post in the spoiler thread ;)

I'm not really annoy by the fact that Kate didn't notice Sawyer's absence . Who knows maybe off-screen she notice his boots in his tent and thought " he'll probably go off for a swim " and Sawyer just return in the middle of the morning so Kate din't have enough time to be "suspicious" about it.
My only problem is that : Kate and Sawyer always were side by side when a particular "strong/emotional" moment happened to them for expample : The letter in CM Sawyer let her read that letter and she was concerned and smart enough to understand the meaning of it. Same for the Boar in Outlaws and yet again the "confession" about her father and the horse in WKD .
And this what I loved about their relationship that in hard moments they were the only thing each other have.
I know that killing the Real Mr.Sawyer was a Sawyer and Just a Sawyer thing , but if the writers really wanted to explore and make their relationship even stronger I bet it wasn't so hard to Let Kate notice Sawyer's absence by his booth and by asking hurley if he was seen Sawyer lately, then at least if she didn't track him down she was concerned. I Dunno it seems now they are just became a sexual object to thrilled the vewers and I don't like it for a bit!

[Miss26thofmay]

And I don't know why this is, but EVERY time I see the title "The Man Behind the Curtain" - I read it as "The Man Behind the Shower Curtain." And then I get this horrible mental image of a naked Ben in silhouette, using one of those back scrubber things and singing. Why, God, WHY!?!
:giggle: Does he wear one of those pink ladies' shower caps? Wouldn't want to mess up that perfect hair.

Demy, I get your point, but we have not seen the whole episode or read insiderscoop. There might be something like that in it. If not, I will probably be a little irritated as well.

[Saturnine]

Demy, I get your point, but we have not seen the whole episode or read insiderscoop. There might be something like that in it. If not, I will probably be a little irritated as well. Yeah I guess you're right , in these day we can on ly " wacth wait and see "

Ps - this is random but any of you guys know how to make the " quick reply" works? . Thanks in advance.

[Clarisse Aniston]

Shouldn't we by this time have something from Ain't It Cool News?

[lilika]

Shouldn't we by this time have something from Ain't It Cool News?

I've been checking out the site in the last few hours and nothing yet.:(

[Leah Kate]

Yeah I guess you're right , in these day we can on ly " wacth wait and see "

Ps - this is random but any of you guys know how to make the " quick reply" works? . Thanks in advance.
You click on the little "check mark" box at the far bottom right of someone's post, the one after "quote" and "multi-quote". It opens up the box at the bottom of the page. Then if you want to quote their reply, you check the little box that says "quote message in reply."

With dial-up, quick reply is the only method I ever use. ;)

[Saturnine]

HEEEEEE I get it now ! Thanks Leah!

[AliceKarbën]

Innnteresting.

And I don't know why this is, but EVERY time I see the title "The Man Behind the Curtain" - I read it as "The Man Behind the Shower Curtain." And then I get this horrible mental image of a naked Ben in silhouette, using one of those back scrubber things and singing. Why, God, WHY!?!

Now i haven't time to make a new parodie, because i'm working, but i'm seeing a scene with Ben's silhouette behind a Dharma shower curtain, singing "Kiss" (from Prince). Then, Locke is opening the bathroom door and Ben looking behind the curtain with a shower cap over his head:

Ben: Ohhhh.. is you, jonhy ... Wanna get it on ?

[Helena]

Now i haven't time to make a new parodie, because i'm working, but i'm seeing a scene with Ben's silhouette behind a Dharma shower curtain, singing "Kiss" (from Prince). Then, Locke is opening the bathroom door and Ben looking behind the curtain with a shower cap over his head:

Ben: Ohhhh.. is you, jonhy ... Wanna get it on ?

:crackup: :crackup:

[demented drummer]

INSIDERSCOOP (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/)

[*Nette*]

And I don't know why this is, but EVERY time I see the title "The Man Behind the Curtain" - I read it as "The Man Behind the Shower Curtain." And then I get this horrible mental image of a naked Ben in silhouette, using one of those back scrubber things and singing. Why, God, WHY!?!

:rotflol: :rotflol:


Thanks for that image Leah:shifty:

[Miss26thofmay]

Any skate? I want to be unspoiled for the rest, as usual. ;) Somebody take a peek.

[lilika]

Any skate? I want to be unspoiled for the rest, as usual. ;) Somebody take a peek.

Well aparently after the second sneak peak it seems that Sawyer plays the tape for Kate because IS says that Sawyer plays the tape for Sayid and Kate.

[Castaway86]

Nothing besides Sawyer playing the tape for her.

[demented drummer]

No Skate whatsoever apart from what we've already seen.

[Miss26thofmay]

So any Jate then? Or is the focus heavy on Ben and Locke and little on the beach.

[Leah Kate]

No Skate whatsoever apart from what we've already seen.
Anything to possibly lessen the Kate hate? Or is Kate not featured much either?

And I'm also curious - What's the other Losties reaction to Jack's explanation?

Thanks to anyone who's brave enough to ford the spoiler waters! ;)

[ROCKyourSOUL]

Is it going to be an overall good episode? Thumbs up/thumbs down?

[Castaway86]

I just skimmed through it for Skate. Didn't really read the details. But based on IS guy's reaction, it's a great episode.

[Helena]

Thanks, girls! :flowers2:
Can someone just answer me are we going to be disappointed with the whole Jacob relevation?

[lilika]

Anything to possibly lessen the Kate hate? Or is Kate not featured much either?

And I'm also curious - What's the other Losties reaction to Jack's explanation?

Thanks to anyone who's brave enough to ford the spoiler waters! ;)

He says very few things about the beach.
And about the 'catching up to do' Jack said in the promo? He doesn't explain in this episode. :rolleyes:

And yeah, no Jate.

[demented drummer]

Anything to possibly lessen the Kate hate? Or is Kate not featured much either?

And I'm also curious - What's the other Losties reaction to Jack's "plan?"

Thanks to anyone who's brave enough to ford the spoiler waters! ;)

The only mention of S/K (or Jack and Julet) in the entire scoop is when they have the 'group meeting' after Sawyer plays the tape for Sayid and Kate. Nothing specifc, basically what we saw in the sneak peeks.

INSIDERSCOOP NON-SKATE

Juliet told Jack what Ben had sent her there to do. Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and on the other side, Ben is telling Juliet that there is no time to get the other samples and they are coming to get the women tommorow. That's all IS says about it.

LOL, Insiderscoop leaves out all the good stuff about Jacob and Ben/Locke because he wants us to watch it without being spoiled. So it looks like a huge reveal of some sort. Can't wait. :hyper:

[heatherlar]

Insiderscoop does not spoil the Jacob meeting.
It looks as though there will be very little Skate. But wow, this looks to be a wild episode!

[SammyR]

The only mention of S/K (or Jack and Julet) in the entire scoop is when they have the 'group meeting' after Sawyer plays the tape for Sayid and Kate. Nothing specifc, basically what we saw in the sneak peeks.

INSIDERSCOOP NON-SKATE

Juliet told Jack what Ben had sent her there to do. Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and on the other side, Ben is telling Juliet that there is no time to get the other samples and they are coming to get the women tommorow. That's all IS says about it.

LOL, Insiderscoop leaves out all the good stuff about Jacob and Ben/Locke because he wants us to watch it without being spoiled. So it looks like a huge reveal of some sort. Can't wait. :hyper:

Wow I CANNOT WAIT! I wish i could watch it tonight...stupid downloads:( . Its so exciting :hyper:

[.::Sheena::.]

OOOOOOOH CAN;T WAIT :hyper:

[aevkc]

Well, based on IS it looks like that guy who posted those rumors on Dark's site is full of crap. Nothing he said matches up with anything in IS. So his spoilers that Kate and Sayid die are probably wrong, too. The only thing that still concerns me is that Dark himself said he's heard that Kate and Sayid die in the finale and he made it sound like he heard it from a different source than this foiler guy.

[alis13]

i'm a bit worried,i really hope kate and sayid dont die. but it's been on most of the spiolers i've read. it says on one of them that kate dies in a shoot out which is jacks fault and sawyer and the losties blame him. i'll die if that comes true.

[SammyR]

i'm a bit worried,i really hope kate and sayid dont die. but it's been on most of the spiolers i've read. it says on one of them that kate dies in a shoot out which is jacks fault and sawyer and the losties blame him. i'll die if that comes true.

The rest of his spoilers seem slightly disproven by IS so i doubt that one is true! I really don't think it is.

[Lyly Ford]

thanks skate spoiler :flowers:
but we don't know if the tape was cut ?:confused:
and about the scene with all losties some spoilers ?

[lilika]

thanks skate spoiler :flowers:
but we don't know if the tape was cut ?:confused:
and about the scene with all losties some spoilers ?

IS doesn't says if the tape was cut.
This is what he says about the stuff on the beach.
Sawyer has played the tape for Sayid and Kate and Juliet and Jack are no where to be found. They have a group meeting when Jack and Juliet show up and Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and play the other side. Ben is telling Juliet that there isn’t time to get other samples they are coming tomorrow. After Juliet gave Sun the sonogram she evidently told Jack what Ben sent her there to do. Jack didn’t tell the Losties because he hasn’t decided what to do yet. “We have some catching up to do.” He must know something but you don’t find out tonight.

[.::Sheena::.]

skate spoiler :eek: :hyper: !!! WHERE!?! x

[freckles88]

and if locke is the main behind curtain?:shock:

[Lyly Ford]

IS doesn't says if the tape was cut.
This is what he says about the stuff on the beach.
Sawyer has played the tape for Sayid and Kate and Juliet and Jack are no where to be found. They have a group meeting when Jack and Juliet show up and Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and play the other side. Ben is telling Juliet that there isn’t time to get other samples they are coming tomorrow. After Juliet gave Sun the sonogram she evidently told Jack what Ben sent her there to do. Jack didn’t tell the Losties because he hasn’t decided what to do yet. “We have some catching up to do.” He must know something but you don’t find out tonight.

ok thanks :)
juliet said to jack great :D i was right, they work together^^

[Clarisse Aniston]

But Gregg said that on this episode there would be complications to the triangle, from Insiderscoop doesn't seem to be anything shippy on this episode

[demented drummer]

But Gregg said that on this episode there would be complications to the triangle, from Insiderscoop doesn't seem to be anything shippy on this episode

There might be some shippy moments. With all the major stuff thats going on in this ep, if there were any ship moments then Insiderscoop would have definitely glossed over them.

[Luanne]

There might be some shippy moments. With all the major stuff thats going on in this ep, if there were any ship moments then Insiderscoop would have definitely glossed over them.

Didn't Gregg say that complications came from Kate going to Sawyer after seeing Jacket sharing oatmeal.

Is Jack knowing about the tape the big secret he didn't want Jules to tell Kate in the last episode, or does he have another secret.

[demented drummer]

Didn't Gregg say that complications came from Kate going to Sawyer after seeing Jacket sharing oatmeal.

Is Jack knowing about the tape the big secret he didn't want Jules to tell Kate in the last episode, or does he have another secret.

I have no idea, he dosn't make it that clear, this is all IS says about the beach scene: "Sawyer has played the tape for Sayid and Kate and Juliet and Jack are no where to be found. They have a group meeting when Jack and Juliet show up and Juliet tells them to turn the tape over and play the other side. Ben is telling Juliet that there isn’t time to get other samples they are coming tomorrow. After Juliet gave Sun the sonogram she evidently told Jack what Ben sent her there to do. Jack didn’t tell the Losties because he hasn’t decided what to do yet. “We have some catching up to do.” He must know something but you don’t find out tonight."

[AliceKarbën]

I think it will be a GREATTTT EPISODE even without a huge skate scene.

But one thing i noticed, not just in last episodes but in the whole season, was a little change in Ben's character, his boss status, shocks with Ben from season 2, the guy that came himself to Losties camp, in a mission.

I know that M.Emerson was hired initially only for 2 or 3 episodes, and Ben's charater was only suposed to be a caputerd Other, but I had some hope to see a active Ben as leader, making himself some missions like the "henry gale" mission he did in S2, but the writers once again seemed to forget how to make the bridge between: how he was presented in S2 and what was Ben's character in S3, and made him a very tactical and inteligent leader, only giving orders to his people, not the guy that was captured by a simple Rouseau trap.

Can you imagine Ben from s3 beeing captured by a Rousseau's trap? I can't! the man has personal guards, knows all secrets from island and seemed to be very inteligent, to go himself in a mission, alone, in the middle of the jungle, unarmed, without at least a radio, and let himself beeing captured by a primitive Rousseau trap ? Bad writing i think! but let me see how he'll work in his new mission to capture the pregnant women.

[Clarisse Aniston]

Didn't Gregg say that complications came from Kate going to Sawyer after seeing Jacket sharing oatmeal.


What he said was something like "And I'm writing this before The Man Behind the Curtain airs. On that episode you'll see more complications to the triangle."

[Lyly Ford]

ok i think that the tape isn't cut 'cause we know by ben, he told about the sample and if ben cut the part of juliet, it's not logical that's the point ;) not tape cut :)

[demented drummer]

What he said was something like "And I'm writing this before The Man Behind the Curtain airs. On that episode you'll see more complications to the triangle."

Let's face it there's a 'complication to the triangle' in almost every single episode these days, so i wouldn't be surprised. :rolleyes:

[Darbi]

We don't know if Benry didn't intend on getting himself caught within one of Rousseau's traps for the sole purpose of being led to the Lostie's camp as a prisoner. *shrug*

[heatherlar]

I think it will be a GREATTTT EPISODE even without a huge skate scene.

But one thing i noticed, not just in last episodes but in the whole season, was a little change in Ben's character, his boss status, shocks with Ben from season 2, the guy that came himself to Losties camp, in a mission.

I know that M.Emerson was hired initially only for 2 or 3 episodes, and Ben's charater was only suposed to be a caputerd Other, but I had some hope to see a active Ben as leader, making himself some missions like the "henry gale" mission he did in S2, but the writers once again seemed to forget how to make the bridge between: how he was presented in S2 and what was Ben's character in S3, and made him a very tactical and inteligent leader, only giving orders to his people, not the guy that was captured by a simple Rouseau trap.

Can you imagine Ben from s3 beeing captured by a Rousseau's trap? I can't! the man has personal guards, knows all secrets from island and seemed to be very inteligent, to go himself in a mission, alone, in the middle of the jungle, unarmed, without at least a radio, and let himself beeing captured by a primitive Rousseau trap ? Bad writing i think! but let me see how he'll work in his new mission to capture the pregnant women.

While we're on the topic of inconsistent writing ... I don't mean to harp on the writers, but I'm curious if anyone has seen this level of inconsistent writing on a show. Maybe it's because I'm so invested in the show, but some of the inconsistencies are really pretty bad.

So according to Gregg, we're supposed to witness another "complication" to the triangle in tonight's episode?

[Clarisse Aniston]

Let's face it there's a 'complication to the triangle' in almost every single episode these days, so i wouldn't be surprised. :rolleyes:

Lol, true

[AliceKarbën]

If he'll show the tape to Sayid and Kate, i think, first he'll show to Sayid, and then they'll go into Juliet's tent to confront her, but she's gonne with Doc, Kate comes and Sayid left them alone like we see in the Sneak peak. It's possible they'll share a scene alone where James show her the tape.

[Lyly Ford]

If he'll show the tape to Sayid and Kate, i think, first he'll show to Sayid, and then they'll go into Juliet's tent to confront her, but she's gonne with Doc, Kate comes and Sayid left them alone like we see in the Sneak peak. It's possible they'll share a scene alone where James show her the tape.

i think it's possible that we'll have skate scene :nod: maybe after they listen the tape :)

[demented drummer]

If he'll show the tape to Sayid and Kate, i think, first he'll show to Sayid, and then they'll go into Juliet's tent to confront her, but she's gonne with Doc, Kate comes and Sayid left them alone like we see in the Sneak peak. It's possible they'll share a scene alone where James show her the tape.

Here's hoping. ;)

[AliceKarbën]

Here's hoping. ;)

yeah, but complications could be Kate saying to James after the tape ends: "I still trust him":rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Erinti]

If she pulls anything like that, I don't think I'll be alone in reaching into my TV to belt Kate one.

[SammyR]

yeah, but complications could be Kate saying to James after the tape ends: "I still trust him":rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You know whats awful? I wouldn't be suprised. Maybe the tape is the complication, maybe the complication leads to a solid end to the tirangle. Why don't i belive that?

[precious_jems]

Am I the only one who is just greatfull that Juliet isn't hiding anything?

[moo6cow2]

i think everyone on this board wants to smack kate around a little and go "what are you thinking!" but i agree that shes not going to budge when it comes to 'jack trust'...the woman is mental.

[SammyR]

i think everyone on this board wants to smack kate around a little and go "what are you thinking!" but i agree that shes not going to budge when it comes to 'jack trust'...the woman is mental.

I sort of want to sit her down with a therapist, i honestly think this all stems from her Wayne and Sam stuff, she just needs to snap out of it.

[peachlily22]

I sort of want to sit her down with a therapist, i honestly think this all stems from her Wayne and Sam stuff, she just needs to snap out of it.


lol the therapist need to explain to her that sawyer is one that is right for her and loves her and she should forget about jack because he possibly found someone else (juilet)...........................

did you guys read the insiderscoop yet?

[Villa]

Discuss the the episode in this thread.

The Man Behind the Curtain
Wednesday, May 9 at 10/9c
(A Ben-centric episode)

Ben begrudgingly begins to introduce Locke to the secrets of the island, beginning with the mysterious Jacob.


Reminder: Any spoilery discussion needs to be spoiler tagged until the episode has aired in the US.

:w00t: I'm excited!

[Lyly Ford]

When the episode will be on ctv ? :o

[Snooobie]

When the episode will be on ctv ? :o

At 8pm. In 1h50minutes.:D

[treesa]

When the episode will be on ctv ? :o

About two hours from now.. I think.

[Lyly Ford]

ok thanks
too late for me tonight :(

[jessica1984]

:rant:

I was hoping all day at work that IS would have a description of some sort of Skate scene from Kate's tent that would justify Evi's comment to Kristen. Since they were filming this episode when Evi made that comment, if there is no Skate scene in Kate's tent, it's all but confirmed that her "gentleman caller" was Sawyer in the afternoon delight scene from Catch 22.

And as much as I love IS, he really needs to throw shippers a bone once in a while. I HATE going into an episode not knowing what to expect with Skate.

[SammyR]

:rant:

I was hoping all day at work that IS would have a description of some sort of Skate scene from Kate's tent that would justify Evi's comment to Kristen. Since they were filming this episode when Evi made that comment, if there is no Skate scene in Kate's tent, it's all but confirmed that her "gentleman caller" was Sawyer in the afternoon delight scene from Catch 22.

And as much as I love IS, he really needs to throw shippers a bone once in a while. I HATE going into an episode not knowing what to expect with Skate.

I guess if anything really "big" had happened there would have been some hint in it. I honestly don't think the rest of the season will be very shippy with only 3 episodes left they'll have to really focus on island stuff.

[jessica1984]

I guess if anything really "big" had happened there would have been some hint in it. I honestly don't think the rest of the season will be very shippy with only 3 episodes left they'll have to really focus on island stuff.

I agree with you, but this is not the first time IS has not mentioned the shippy stuff. He didn't mention the Skate scene last week at all and look at the attention it got.

[Lyly Ford]

plus, insi isn't shipper ;)

[Luanne]

I agree with you, but this is not the first time IS has not mentioned the shippy stuff. He didn't mention the Skate scene last week at all and look at the attention it got.

This is really bad and just proves how badly The Brig messed with me, but what Skate scene did we get. All I remember is the Saweyr/Cooper scenes.

[demented drummer]

This is really bad and just proves how badly The Brig messed with me, but what Skate scene did we get. All I remember is the Saweyr/Cooper scenes.

Kate getting the fear about having an all nighter at Sawyers. :p

[Luanne]

Kate getting the fear about having an all nighter at Sawyers. :p

That's right. "Old habits". Its all coming back to me.

[OutlawsInLove]

:rant:

I was hoping all day at work that IS would have a description of some sort of Skate scene from Kate's tent that would justify Evi's comment to Kristen. Since they were filming this episode when Evi made that comment, if there is no Skate scene in Kate's tent, it's all but confirmed that her "gentleman caller" was Sawyer in the afternoon delight scene from Catch 22.

And as much as I love IS, he really needs to throw shippers a bone once in a while. I HATE going into an episode not knowing what to expect with Skate.

But Sun and Kate were fixing up Kates tent AFTER that episode.....i so confuseddddddd...if the "gentleman caller" thing..and fixing up her tent was that scene, i will be very disappointed.

[jessica1984]

But Sun and Kate were fixing up Kates tent AFTER that episode.....i so confuseddddddd

How were they fixing it up? All Sun did was raise the tarp up and tie it in place.

[OutlawsInLove]

How were they fixing it up? All Sun did was raise the tarp up and tie it in place.

Sun said "how is this?" or something like that..and Kate was looking around her tent looking kind of happy..like she was accomplishing something...thats what it looked like to me atleast...maybe I read the scene wrong in anticipation for the "gentleman caller" interview.

[SammyR]

I honestly think everyone is putting too much in to this "gentleman Caller" thing, i'm not sure it wasn't the afternoon delight scene.

[jessica1984]

Sun said "how is this?" or something like that..and Kate was looking around her tent looking kind of happy..like she was accomplishing something...thats what it looked like to me atleast...maybe I read the scene wrong in anticipation for the "gentleman caller" interview.

Maybe, but what doesn't make any sense to me is the fact that if Kate is setting up her tent for Sawyer to stay there, why did she not want to spend the night with Saywer in his??

[LuvinSawyer]

45 min to go :D

What I would like to see tonight:

How Sawyer is dealing with killing Cooper.

Any kind of Skate interaction.

And the look on Kate's face when Sawyer plays the tape. Will she and James exchange glances?

I think Kate's tent was remodeled for filming the Afternoon Delight scene.

[margoq]

i'm not :shifty:

apart from that i cant watch it, there is almost no Jacket!!

[Castaway86]

4 minutes to go! :hyper: Thanks in advance ladies! :flowers2:

[demented drummer]

Thanks in advance you lovely, lovely Canadians. :D :yourock:

[susan14509]

I just want to know what happens when James plays the tape for Kate. I want to be surprised for the rest.

[lacouponshopper]

FB

Couple giving birth in the woods. It's a boy. Their names are Emily and Roger. Emily is bleeding, and Roger carries her and the baby to the road where a couple stops to help. They call the baby Benjamin. Emily dies (i think)

Island

Ben's b-day is today. Richard asks if he should bring the tape recorder back to the medical station. Ben is upset because he thought he did it already and now Ben knows the tape is missing. Locke comes into camp carrying Cooper. Asks Ben to tell him about the island from the beginning

[Luanne]

FB

A couple in the woods. The women is giving birth. Roger tells Emily that no one knows they are there. He picks her up with the bad and runs out to the road. A couple in a car helps. Emily dies, but before she does she tells Roger to call him Ben.

Island

Ben in his tent looking at a doll. Its his b day. Alpert comes in and asks if he wants him to take back the tape. Ben recorded it yesterday. Thought he would have done it already. Ben asks where Tom is. They both go outside, and just then Locke is walking up with his father's body demanding to know about the island.

[lacouponshopper]

Island

Ben tells Locke he is not the leader of the Other. That Jacob is. Locke wants him to take him to Jacob but Ben says he can't. Only Ben talks to Jacob. Locke thinks there is no Jacob and that Ben is the man behind the curtain.

FB

Young Ben walking on the dock with other people including his father on the island. Meet other Dharma people on the island. Ben's father is joining the Dharma initiative. Ben's father is Roger Workman and is given the jumpsuit. He is upset they are making him a janitor

Beach

James calls over Sayid. Tells Sayid that Locke went back. Shows Sayid the tape

Island

Patchy runs into the Others camp to talk to Ben. Ben tells Patchy that Locke is with them. Patchy tells Locke about Naomi. Ben says they will take care of it and go to their camp at the beach which makes Locke angry because he wants Ben to take him to Jacob. Patchy confronts Locke and Locke gets into a fight with him. He looks back at Ben and says "when do we leave"

[lacouponshopper]

Island

Locke with Ben gtting water. Alex comes to give Locke a gun because she hears he is going to see Jacob. She says happy birthday dad to Ben

FB

Young Ben in school learning about volcanoes. Ground starts shaking from explosion and alarms sound. The kids run for cover. Ben back at home in bed petting a rabbit. Father arguing with someone about what just happened. Ben sees a his mother in the window and gets scared. Father tells him to go to bed

Beach

Sayid and James looking for Juliet. Kate tells them they are gone and that they know about Naomi. Sayid tells James to play Kate the tape. Sawyer and Kate just look at each other as she asks him what tape?

Island

Ben tells Locke Jacob will be angry when they go to see him. They leave as the others watch.

[Luanne]

Island

Ben and Locke at the river. Alex comes by and gives Locke a gun, says he'll need it if he's going to see Jacob. Before she leaves she wishes her dad a happy b day


FB

Young Ben in class. An alarm goes off. They lock the class. Teacher loads a gun. All the kids duck down. A girl tells Ben that its just the hostiles. Later at home. Horace tells Ben's father that they are having issues with the natives on the island. Ben goes back into his room. Looks out his window and see's his mother.

Island

Sayid and Sawyer go to Jules tent. The aol clip. Ben tells Locke that Jacob is going to be angry. He is someone who summons you, not someone you go see.

[Castaway86]

Could you imagine a birthday party thrown for Ben? Does he even know what excitement is? :giggle:

[treesa]

Oh man, this is getting good.

[Helena]

Could you imagine a birthday party thrown for Ben? Does he even know what excitement is? :giggle:

Oh, Crystal, stop it.:giggle: I'm already imagining Zeke dressed up as clown.:giggle:

[jessica1984]

James + Sayid= :w00t:

That's all I have to say.:giggle:

[demented drummer]

James + Sayid= :w00t:

That's all I have to say.:giggle:

I agree. :w00t: Awesomeness. :giggle:

[lacouponshopper]

FB

Young Ben on a swing set with a girl. She gives him some wooden carved dolls as a b-day gift. Ben goes home where his father is drunk and asleep on the couch. He forgot Ben's b-day and says sorry. Accuses Ben of killing his mom by being born too early. Now they are stuck on this island. Ben runs out crying through the jungle. Sees him mom in the jungle but can't go to her because of the gates. She disappears into the jungle

Island

Ben and Locke walking throught the jungle. Locke sees some tracks

Beach

The losties having a discussion about Naomi on the beach like we saw in the SP. Sawyer plays the tape and the tape and they hear the whole thing including the comments about Austin. they show Kate biting her nails looking a little sheepish when she hears this. Juliet says to turn the tape over. Ben says on the tape that if Juliet finds out that anyone including Kate is pregnant to mark their tents because they will take them too. Sawyer does not look very happy about this! Juliet apparently had told Jack about this and he hadn't told anyone because they were deciding what to do about it. Sayid not happy about Jack keeping this a secret

[Castaway86]

Oh, Crystal, stop it.:giggle: I'm already imagining Zeke dressed up as clown.:giggle:

:rotflol:

[Luanne]

FB


The little girl, Ann, gives Ben two dolls. Says now they won't have to be separted. He goes home. Father is drunk, forgot his birthday. Blames him for Emily's death. Ben runs outside. Sees his mother standing on the other side of the sonar fence. Wants to run to her, but she says its not time. Emily is dressed like Alice in Wonderland.

Island

Locke and Ben hiking through the jungle. Sayid and the group discuss Naomi and Jack. Jack walks up and wants to know where he got the tape. Sawyer asks if he's in a position to ask. Jack asks again where he got it. Sawyer tells Juliet to stay out of it. She tells Sawyer to turn the tape over. Ben says they don't have time to get the other samples, they are coming. If the other women are preggers to mark there tent. Sawyer doesn't look at Kate, but he knows what that means. Sayid asks why he didn't say anything, he says he hadn't decides what to do yet. Sayid says yet. Jack says they have catching up to do

[demented drummer]

Emily is dressed like Alice in Wonderland.

Wierd. :blank:

[lacouponshopper]

FB

Young Ben deactivating the gate. Takes a bunny out of his bag and watches the bunny cross the gate to make sure it is deactivated. Ben runs out to the jungle looking for his mom. Sees Richard but Richard is the same age he is now on the island??!! Asks him if he is a hostile? Tells Richard that his mom is dead but that he has see her. Richard tells him to go home but Ben does not want to. Asks Richard to take him with him. Richard says he should be patient

Island

Ben and Locke in the jungle. Ben says 'we're here' as they come to an old house. Ben asks if Locke is sure this is what he wants because there is no turning back. Ben calls through the door that they are coming in. There is an empty chair and Ben looks at it and introduces him to Locke but there is no one there! Locke is confused. Ben is talking to the imaginary person in the chair like he is crazy. Asks Locke if he can hear him. Locke is angry because he thinks this is a joke but Ben insists that Jacob is sitting there and talking. Locke says Ben is pathetic and starts to leave. He hears a deep voice say "help me". Locke turns around and asks Ben "what did you just say. It wasn't Ben who said that. Things start flying accross the room in chaos and Ben tells Jacob to stop. Locke runs outside and asks Ben what was that. Ben tells him that was Jacob.

[jessica1984]

Somebody answer me this.....

HOW ON EARTH will it be possible for Kate to trust Jack after this???:mad:

He KNEW she was risking her life by having sex with James and he didn't do ANYTHING to stop her and let her know what was going on!!!!

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.

[Luanne]

FB

Young Ben deactivating the gate. Takes a bunny out of his bag and watches the bunny cross the gate to make sure it is deactivated. Ben runs out to the jungle looking for his mom. Sees Richard but Richard is the same age he is now on the island??!! Asks him if he is a hostile? Tells Richard that his mom is dead but that he has see her. Richard tells him to go home but Ben does not want to. Asks Richard to take him with him. Richard says he should be patient

Island

Ben and Locke in the jungle. Ben says 'we're here' as they come to an old house. Ben asks if Locke is sure this is what he wants because there is no turning back. Ben calls through the door that they are coming in. There is an empty chair and Ben looks at it and introduces him to Locke but there is no one there! Locke is confused. Ben is talking to the imaginary person in the chair like he is crazy. Asks Locke if he can hear him. Locke is angry because he thinks this is a joke but Ben insists that Jacob is sitting there and talking. Locke says Ben is pathetic and starts to leave. He hears a deep voice say "help me". Locke turns around and asks Ben "what did you just say. It wasn't Ben who said that. Things start flying accross the room in chaos and Ben tells Jacob to stop. Locke runs outside and asks Ben what was that. Ben tells him that was Jacob.

Thanks for typing that up cause I was laughing too hard during the Jacob thing. Seriously, I don't know what to say about it

[blondee]

OMG I just got home from work, I ended up having to stay late to finish some things & just saw that last scene with Locke Ben & Jacob & all I have to say to the Skater's who have seen it is ...............WTF is going on!:eh:
Did I miss something?
Also can someone explain why Ben is talking to an ...........empty chair & saying it's Jacob because Locke is looking at him like he has lost his mind!:shock:


I know exactly what you mean Luanne what the hell is going on? :eh:

[demented drummer]

Ben and Locke in the jungle. Ben says 'we're here' as they come to an old house. Ben asks if Locke is sure this is what he wants because there is no turning back. Ben calls through the door that they are coming in. There is an empty chair and Ben looks at it and introduces him to Locke but there is no one there! Locke is confused. Ben is talking to the imaginary person in the chair like he is crazy. Asks Locke if he can hear him. Locke is angry because he thinks this is a joke but Ben insists that Jacob is sitting there and talking. Locke says Ben is pathetic and starts to leave. He hears a deep voice say "help me". Locke turns around and asks Ben "what did you just say. It wasn't Ben who said that. Things start flying accross the room in chaos and Ben tells Jacob to stop. Locke runs outside and asks Ben what was that. Ben tells him that was Jacob.

That's got to be the strangest thing i have ever heard. :faint: :giggle:

[Tigg3000]

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.

LOL! You just know that Kate will always side with that moron.

[Castaway86]

Somebody answer me this.....

HOW ON EARTH will it be possible for Kate to trust Jack after this???:mad:

He KNEW she was risking her life by having sex with James and he didn't do ANYTHING to stop her and let her know what was going on!!!!

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.

Oh, I'm quite sure that even with this revelation, Kate still has the hero shades on. :rolleyes:

[Helena]

Somebody answer me this.....

HOW ON EARTH will it be possible for Kate to trust Jack after this???:mad:

He KNEW she was risking her life by having sex with James and he didn't do ANYTHING to stop her and let her know what was going on!!!!

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.

My concern is not just Kate, but the rest of the Losties. Based on spoilers for next two episodes, it doesn't look like they don't trust Jack anymore. Which is good. They all will be shocked in finale if Jack indeed has his own plan.

[demented drummer]

Somebody answer me this.....

HOW ON EARTH will it be possible for Kate to trust Jack after this???:mad:

He KNEW she was risking her life by having sex with James and he didn't do ANYTHING to stop her and let her know what was going on!!!!

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.

I hear ya. :rolleyes:

[hayser]

Somebody answer me this.....

HOW ON EARTH will it be possible for Kate to trust Jack after this???:mad:

He KNEW she was risking her life by having sex with James and he didn't do ANYTHING to stop her and let her know what was going on!!!!

If Kate sides with Jack ever again, she is officially the stupidest woman alive.


In fairness Kate knew what happens to pregnant women & it's not really Jack's place to tell her to stop having sex with Sawyer. However he shoud have told her and the rest of the group of Ben's plan. I'm dying to see where this whole storyline is going. Thanks to all the people from Canada for describing the episode. It sounds unusual to say the least lol.

[Castaway86]

Ben and Locke in the jungle. Ben says 'we're here' as they come to an old house. Ben asks if Locke is sure this is what he wants because there is no turning back. Ben calls through the door that they are coming in. There is an empty chair and Ben looks at it and introduces him to Locke but there is no one there! Locke is confused. Ben is talking to the imaginary person in the chair like he is crazy. Asks Locke if he can hear him. Locke is angry because he thinks this is a joke but Ben insists that Jacob is sitting there and talking. Locke says Ben is pathetic and starts to leave. He hears a deep voice say "help me". Locke turns around and asks Ben "what did you just say. It wasn't Ben who said that. Things start flying accross the room in chaos and Ben tells Jacob to stop. Locke runs outside and asks Ben what was that. Ben tells him that was Jacob.

WTF??! :rotflol:

[demented drummer]

WTF??! :rotflol:

My sentiments exactly. :eh:

Is Ben crazy or is there an invisible man? :shifty: :p

[Castaway86]

My sentiments exactly. :eh:

Is Ben crazy or is there an invisible man? :shifty: :p

Like Hollow Man? :rotflol:

[blondee]

My concern is not just Kate, but the rest of the Losties. Based on spoilers for next two episodes, it doesn't look like they don't trust Jack anymore. Which is good. They all will be shocked in finale if Jack indeed has his own plan.


I hope the losties start to trust Jack now too because if they are all for the big plan he has created :rolleyes: then it would be a great shock in the finale to find out he reallyhad his own plan all along or is working against them & not with them!;)

[Helena]

My sentiments exactly. :eh:

Is Ben crazy or is there an invisible man? :shifty: :p

I think that the invisible man was the only thing that was missing on this show.:D Fan boys will go nuts.

[demented drummer]

Like Hollow Man? :rotflol:

Exactly like that yeah. :rotflol:

[blondee]

OK OMFGGGGGGGGGGG!

Ben did not just shoot Locke in the chest & leave him lying there to die!:shock:

Yes he did!!!!!!!!!

[heatherlar]

The invisible man? :crackup:

Sounds like it's coming straight from a Lost Writers Room parody.

ETA: blondee, are you kidding? I hope you're kidding. OMFG. NOOOOO!!! Why did he do it?

[Helena]

:shock: :shock: :shock:
WTF???

[Luanne]

OK OMFGGGGGGGGGGG!

Ben did not just shoot Locke in the chest & leave him lying there to die!:shock:

Yes he did!!!!!!!!!

Yes he did

[Shirley Parker]

WTF??! :rotflol:

LOL, seriously?

It seems island has its personal ghost or Ben is schyzo.

About Jack... To give the guy some slack (And I can't believe I am saying it 'cause it's Jack... my official ass***), he could think they are having protected sex since Sawyer is the guy we can see having a condom stash. Or Juliet told him about the fact Kate knew what happened with pregnant women. No one wants to be party pooper :giggle:

[Deej]

Yes he did

Is he wearing a bullet proof vest?

[Zoriah]

I betcha it's a test, to see if Jacob heals him or something.

[blondee]

Yes he did


So how the hell will he have his showndown with Jack if he is dead?:shock:

[mittens]

I hope the losties start to trust Jack now too because if they are all for the big plan he has created :rolleyes: then it would be a great shock in the finale to find out he reallyhad his own plan all along or is working against them & not with them!;)


If I was a Lostie my concern would be that they shoud have all STARTED planning a long time ago for this attack. By not informing them they have lost a lot of valuable time. Just exactly when was Jack going to let them in on his little secret...fifteen minutes before the Others arrived? What a control freak he is, he gets to decide everyone's fate? If I was on that beach he would get voted OFF the Island.

[Snooobie]

This episode can summarized as :blank: :shock: :shifty: :rotflol: :confused: :eh:
and a big fat WTF!!!

[Tigg3000]

Those black bars are tempting me! Ahhh!!

[Helena]

I betcha it's a test, to see if Jacob heals him or something.

Oh. Good point.
I think I just suffered a minor heart-attack.:sigh:

[Luanne]

Is he wearing a bullet proof vest?

No, you can see he's not wearing anything

So how the hell will he have his showndown with Jack if he is dead?:shock:

Jacob will save him, or because Locke is special he'll survive

[lacouponshopper]

Island

Ben asks Locke what Jacob said to him. Locke says there is no Jacob and that Ben is lying to him.

FB

Older Ben putting on a Dharma jumpsuit. With his father loading up a van with supplies including beer to being to the Pearl station. His father forgot his b-day again. Drives away with his father. They stop and his father drinks a beer. Says he will do something special with Locke at his next b-day. Ben says that won't happen, puts on a gas mask and opens a can of poisonous gas. His father starts bleeding through the nose and dies. Ben goes back to the Dharma camp and everyone there is dead. Richard and a few other hostiles come out also wearing gas masks.

Island

Locke and Ben standing looking at the skeletons in a large mass grave. Ben tells him that is what happened. Says he is smarter then everyone else because he figured out how to survive the hostile's purge. Says he is smarter than Locke because he didn't end up dead like them. The shoots lock in the chest!!! Asks Locke what Jacob said to him. Locke tells him he said "help me" and it looks like Locke dies!!

[treesa]

Can someone give a more detailed description instead of "OMG LOCKE GOT SHOT!"? IS mentioned some conversation at the end.

ETA: Oops, spoke too soon. Heh. Nevermind. :p

[blondee]

The invisible man? :crackup:

Sounds like it's coming straight from a Lost Writers Room parody.

ETA: blondee, are you kidding? I hope you're kidding. OMFG. NOOOOO!!! Why did he do it?



No not kidding!:shock:

So I hope Jacob has good freaking healing powers because if not Locke is gone bye bye!

Ben's a flippin lunatic!

Ok now I am worried because if their are 5 deaths coming this may be one of them!

[Castaway86]

What the frak?!!! :shock: :eh:

[blondee]

What the frak?!!! :shock: :eh:



All I can say is when you see this scene you will not believe how cold Ben is because he just aims & fires & looks stone cold doing it!:shock:

[jessica1984]

:shock: What the hell just happened?!?!?!?!

BTW- Can we all lay to rest the "gentleman caller" spoiler from Evi? Guys, it was the afternoon delight scene.:shifty: :mad:

[demented drummer]

I'm speechless. Can some describe the conversation that took place between Locke and Ben?

Nevermind i see it.

[Deej]

Island


Locke and Ben standing looking at the skeletons in a large mass grave. Ben tells him that is what happened. Says he is smarter then everyone else because he figured out how to survive the hostile's purge. Says he is smarter than Locke because he didn't end up dead like them. The shoots lock in the chest!!! Asks Locke what Jacob said to him. Locke tells him he said "help me" and it looks like Locke dies!!

Oh brother. :rolleyes: Was that the ending of the ep? You can't tell if Locke is going to be pushing up daisies?

[Helena]

All I can say is when you see this scene you will not believe how cold Ben is because he just aims & fires & looks stone cold doing it!:shock:

Bastard. Where's Danielle with that dynamite when you need her?!:shifty:

[Luanne]

Can someone give a more detailed description instead of "OMG LOCKE GOT SHOT!"? IS mentioned some conversation at the end.


So in the fb's we see Ben killing his father. Richard asks Ben if he wants him to get the body. Ben says to leave him there. When Ben comes back to otherville, all the dharma ppl are dead. On in real time on the island. Ben wants to show Locke where he came from. Ben shows Locke a mass grave where all the dharma ppl are. Ben asks him what Jacob said to him. Locke says it was him(Ben). Ben shoots him, he falls into the mass grave. Ben asks what he heard. Locke says help me. Ben aims again. Locke says Jacob said to help him. Ben says I hope Jacob can help you

[Arachne]

Well.... That was certainly an interesting way to end it.

[blondee]

:shock: What the hell just happened?!?!?!?!

BTW- Can we all lay to rest the "gentleman caller" spoiler from Evi? Guys, it was the afternoon delight scene.:shifty: :mad:



What just happened is that Ben ......... aimed & put a bullet dead centre of Lockes chest!:shock:

I agree about the Evi comment but it still seems silly she brought up something that happened several eps before that interview!:rolleyes:

[Clarisse Aniston]

I'm sure Jacob's gonna save Locke...if he doesn't, I don't know if anything can save Lost.

[Castaway86]

Bastard. Where's Danielle with that dynamite when you need her?!:shifty:

Seriously. :shifty:

[lacouponshopper]

No not kidding!:shock:

So I hope Jacob has good freaking healing powers because if not Locke is gone bye bye!

Ben's a flippin lunatic!

Ok now I am worried because if their are 5 deaths coming this may be one of them!

I don't know what the hell that whole Jacob scene was. I am more confused about Jacob now than I was before. So I don't know if this phantom Jacob has healing powers to keep Locke alive. I totally think this is one of the major deaths! I don't know about anyone else, but Locke totally looked dead to me.

And yes I agree! Ben does look like a lunatic! Did the phrase help me actually mean something to Ben when Locke told him?

[heatherlar]

So in the fb's we see Ben killing his father. Richard asks Ben if he wants him to get the body. Ben says to leave him there. When Ben comes back to otherville, all the dharma ppl are dead. On in real time on the island. Ben wants to show Locke where he came from. Ben shows Locke a mass grave where all the dharma ppl are. Ben asks him what Jacob said to him. Locke says it was him(Ben). Ben shoots him, he falls into the mass grave. Ben asks what he heard. Locke says help me. Ben aims again. Locke says Jacob said to help him. Ben says I hope Jacob can help you


Luanne, to clarify ... Locke said it was Ben (meaning Jacob was Ben?)

[Luanne]

Locke doesn't get shot in the center of the chest. Its around the ribs, the side area

Heather

Locke said it was Ben all along. Meaning the whole Jacob thing was a show. There was never a Jacob according to Locke. Its all Ben's game. After he is shot, that is when Locke tells him what Jacob said.

[Tigg3000]

How in the world do they expect us to keep watching this show if they keep killing main characters?! I really hope Locke doesn't die. :shifty:

[demented drummer]

Question for a Canadian -So is there a Jacob or was he created in Ben's head? I'm confused. When Locke 'heard' Jacob was it Ben putting on a voice or an actual other person talking? :eh:

[blondee]

I don't know what the hell that whole Jacob scene was. I am more confused about Jacob now than I was before. So I don't know if this phantom Jacob has healing powers to keep Locke alive. I totally think this is one of the major deaths! I don't know about anyone else, but Locke totally looked dead to me.

And yes I agree! Ben does look like a lunatic! Did the phrase help me actually mean something to Ben when Locke told him?



Agreed I think this is one of the major deaths as well because it will be really hard for me to buy the fact that an empty chair has healing powers!:rolleyes: :giggle:

Sorry that whole Jacob scene was just so ridiculous they are starting to get on my nerves a little!:rolleyes:
So if Locke is really dead I guess the spoiler about either Jack Kate Sawyer or Locke, one of the big 4 going was right them!;)

[Castaway86]

No way is Locke dead. No freaking way. I won't believe it. :no:

[Helena]

Does anyone need an aspirin right now, or is it just me?! :giggle:

Thanks for the recaps, ladies! :flowers2:

ETA: Crystal, I agree

[blondee]

Locke doesn't get shot in the center of the chest. Its around the ribs, the side area

Heather

Locke said it was Ben all along. Meaning the whole Jacob thing was a show. There was never a Jacob according to Locke. Its all Ben's game. After he is shot, that is when Locke tells him what Jacob said.



Well it seemed pretty close to the centre of his chest but seemed to be a little off to one side, I didn't look that closely I was to busy picking my jaw off the floor!:giggle:

[demented drummer]

No way is Locke dead. No freaking way. I won't believe it. :no:

Me neither. Out of all the characters they could hve killed, second to Sawyer, Locke is my worst nightmare.

[heatherlar]

Heather

Locke said it was Ben all along. Meaning the whole Jacob thing was a show. There was never a Jacob according to Locke. Its all Ben's game. After he is shot, that is when Locke tells him what Jacob said.

Thanks, Luanne. :flowers2:

And thank you blondee and lacouponshopper for the scoop!

[lacouponshopper]

Question for a Canadian -So is there a Jacob or was he created in Ben's head? I'm confused. When Locke 'heard' Jacob was it Ben putting on a voice or an actual other person talking? :eh:

Good question!! And I actually saw the episode!:p Ben said Jacob was sitting in a chair and was talking to this phantom person. But to us viewers, there is nobody in the chair and we don't hear anything. Locke also does not see or hear anything which is why he thinks this is a big joke and gets angry at Ben. The Locke hears a deep voice say "help me" I don't know who's voice it was but it didn't sound like Ben

[jessica1984]

Question for Luanne or any Canadian:

Does you think that this is some sort of cosmic payback for Locke conning Sawyer into killing his Dad?

[demented drummer]

Good question!! And I actually saw the episode!:p Ben said Jacob was sitting in a chair and was talking to this phantom person. But to us viewers, there is nobody in the chair and we don't hear anything. Locke also does not see or hear anything which is why he thinks this is a big joke and gets angry at Ben. The Locke hears a deep voice say "help me" I don't know who's voice it was but it didn't sound like Ben

Thanks. :) That is beyond creepy. :blank:

[Zoriah]

Guys...Locke is not going to die. The island or 'Jacob' will heal him since he's special. He's going to return from the dead like an avenging Jesus and open a can of whoop ass on Ben. Ben is definitely dying now. Locke is going to take over as leader having proven himself once and for all as Jacob's chosen one.

Please don't forget that the mainstream media outlets have said there will be a final show down between Jack and Locke in the finale. How can that happen if Locke is dead?

[lizziefitz]

I can't believe Locke is really dead--Jacob is probably the Island itself, and will heal Locke somehow. The island is obviously a very strange place, if Dharma didn't somehow create Smokey and the natives don't age. Or is Ben really Carrie? Perhaps the dying mothers are just another of Ben's telekinetic manifestations.

[Castaway86]

I suddenly have a headache. :blank:

[heatherlar]

The "help me" part makes me think of a bad scene from a movie that takes place in someone's head. :giggle: You know, the "I'm trapped in my own brain" thing.

[addicted2much]

Ben was born or reborn on the island. He may have been at death, but Jacob healed him like he will heal Locke or it will really be Zombie Island.

[Deej]

Please don't forget that the mainstream media outlets have said there will be a final show down between Jack and Locke in the finale. How can that happen if Locke is dead?

They were lied to?;)

[Clarisse Aniston]

So it doesn't seem to be any big triangle complications caused by this episode...
Does that mean we can't trust what Gregg says?? Some people are gonna be so crushed!

[demented drummer]

They were lied to?;)

Possible. :nod:

But i don't think Locke will die. He will probably be healed, kill Ben and take over Otherville.

[lizziefitz]

Someone on the Watching Live thread over on the fuse said it was Locke turning on the flashlight that set Jacob off--apparently Jacob doesn't like technology (the chicken in the refrigerator). For a long time Jacob's used Ben as his agent--and Ben got rid of Dharma. Now Jacob needs to get rid of Ben, so the island can go back to being its weird natural self. So the island did reach out and pull the plane down, to get Locke and the other Losties to get rid of the Others. Eh, it's a theory.

[lacouponshopper]

The "help me" part makes me think of a bad scene from a movie that takes place in someone's head. You know, the "I'm trapped in my own brain" thing. I really, really hope that's not how this show is going to end up.

I don't think it actually appears on screen as bad as it sounds. I personally don't have any bad feelings as far as the writing goes based on this episode. I'll wait to see how things play out in the next couple of episodes before I make that call.

[susan14509]

Thanks Canadians! But I didn't read the black bars this time. Can someone please let me know if there was any conversation between Kate and Sawyer about the tape before he played it for the group?

[moo6cow2]

AND TO QUOTE THE JOHN LOCKE:

"Nothing stays buried on this island for long..."


he's not dead.

[demented drummer]

^ You need spoiler tags asap.

Thanks Canadians! But I didn't read the black bars this time. Can someone please let me know if there was any conversation between Kate and Sawyer about the tape before he played it for the group?

Nada.

[jessica1984]

My crazy theory:

-Jacob is the island
-The island wanted Locke because he is special
-The island will heal Locke
-Locke will become the actual "Jacob"

I don't where Jack fits in all of this, but apparantly he does.:blank:

[Dezdemona]

But Sun and Kate were fixing up Kates tent AFTER that episode.....i so confuseddddddd...if the "gentleman caller" thing..and fixing up her tent was that scene, i will be very disappointed.

Don't forget that "gentleman caller" was Kristin's phrase. I'm convinced that was for the episode we saw where Sawyer walks into her tent while she's dressing. They needed room for him to be able to stand up and to be at some reasonable distance away from her while she was dressing.

[lacouponshopper]

Guys...Locke is not going to die. The island or 'Jacob' will heal him since he's special.

Please don't forget that the mainstream media outlets have said there will be a final show down between Jack and Locke in the finale. How can that happen if Locke is dead?

Maybe Locke becomes invisible like Jacob :giggle:

Seriously though, I think you could be right that Locke does not die since the island could heal him. It seems like a stretch, but it did heal his paralysis

[kurby_pfcuk]

Perhaps the possibility that Kate could be pregnant, and it being kind of known to all of them, is the "complication" to the triangle.

as for Ben shooting Locke-wow definately didn't see that coming!

[moo6cow2]

^ You need spoiler tags asap.

sorry, im all adrenalated...if thats even a word...

[Arachne]

Okay, now that my brain is starting to function again, do you think the Jacob scene the jump the shark moment?

[demented drummer]

Maybe Locke becomes invisible like Jacob :giggle:

Seriously though, I think you could be right that Locke does not die since the island could heal him. It seems like a stretch, but it did heal his paralysis

I think the island will definitely heal him. We were shown again last ep how the island 'heals' Locke... The bite he got from Cooper was deep and would have taken months to heal properly without medical attention. But the wound had healed itself in what, a day or two?

[susan14509]

^ You need spoiler tags asap.


Nada.

Ok, thanks.

[Helena]

I suddenly have a headache. :blank:

Two aspirins coming right up.:giggle: You're in charge of them next week.;)

moo6cow2, I agree. Could it be that the island or Ben is punishing Locke because he cheated( meaning he didn't kill Cooper), becuase Locke did accuse Ben for the same thing in TMFT?
Anyway, I really don't know what to think anymore. This show is getting weirder and weirder.:sigh: I wont be surprised if it turns out that it was Locke that said: Help me; in some twisted Lost parallel universe. Okay, this is too much for my shipper head.:giggle:

[heatherlar]

Perhaps the possibility that Kate could be pregnant, and it being kind of known to all of them, is the "complication" to the triangle.

as for Ben shooting Locke-wow definately didn't see that coming!

Well, if we are to believe Gregg's post about a complication to the triangle arising in tonight's episode, the only thing I can come up with is a Kate pregnancy, which was possibly hinted at.
Did you ladies who watched the show already see anything else that would warrant that kind of comment from Gregg?

[Luanne]

I think this the only clip that needs to be made tonight.

Camp Meeting

http://www.dailymotion.com/Luanne1/video/3258818

[Dezdemona]

I can't believe Locke is really dead--Jacob is probably the Island itself, and will heal Locke somehow. The island is obviously a very strange place, if Dharma didn't somehow create Smokey and the natives don't age. Or is Ben really Carrie? Perhaps the dying mothers are just another of Ben's telekinetic manifestations.

Locke is not dead at the end of the episode, but very badly wounded. Like Zoriah said, the island will heal him and he will supplant Ben. No doubt about it. Tom and Richard did not intervene when Locke put the beat down on Mikhais... very violent, that scene. They seemed very impressed with Locke's forcefulness in getting Ben to take him to Jacob.

[AliceKarbën]

hahahahahahah:( :( :( :( :( it's only i've to say!

who will save Lost after this last episode ?

I'm really deluded, WTF?? Invisible Jacob? characters dying, rescucitating or becoming healthy in 2 days like Pacthy and now possibly Locke, too ? I always hoped when they would start to explain the mysteries , they would have a coherent and plausible explanation for all of them, but after knowing that Jacob is a Hollow man, Locke possibly could resuscitate, i don't know if i'll come back after the 8 month hiatus. The only thing that keeps me watching Lost now is Skate, because i've really lost all my hopes in having a coherent storyline for this show.

For first time, since i saw "lost", i can say now that, Skate is the only thing that will keep me watching lost, and i'm not beeing sarcastic or radical, because i always hated this kind of sci-fi/supernatural shows.

[lizziefitz]

Well, if we are to believe Gregg's post about a complication to the triangle arising in tonight's episode, the only thing I can come up with is a Kate pregnancy, which was possibly hinted at.
Did you ladies who watched the show already see anything else that would warrant that kind of comment from Gregg?

I thought the "complication" was supposed to be in the finale, but I'm too lazy to go looking through the fuse posts to verify.

[demented drummer]

I think this the only clip that needs to be made tonight.

Camp Meeting

http://www.dailymotion.com/Luanne1/video/3258818

Thanks. :)

Jack's a tool, but hey, what's new? :rolleyes:

[Helena]

I think this the only clip that needs to be made tonight.

Camp Meeting

http://www.dailymotion.com/Luanne1/video/3258818

Thanks, Luanne.:glomp:

So, he hadn't decided what to do yet? Really, Jack?:rolleyes: Again, where is Danielle?:mad: I want to blow up Jack first.

ETA: LOOOL. Thanks, Louise.

[Dezdemona]

I don't think it actually appears on screen as bad as it sounds. I personally don't have any bad feelings as far as the writing goes based on this episode. I'll wait to see how things play out in the next couple of episodes before I make that call.

Considering what we've seen of Smokie, this island does have it's weirdness factor already.

[louise_62]

Thanks Luanne!

And congratulations Jack - you couldn't possibly be a bigger asshole than you are now. :clap: An all time high.

Thanks, Luanne.:glomp:

So, he hadn't decided what to do yet? Really, Jack?:rolleyes: Again, where is Danielle?:mad: I want to blow Jack first.

Um, you might want to put the word 'up' in there. :giggle:

[Deej]

I think the island will definitely heal him. We were shown again last ep how the island 'heals' Locke... The bite he got from Cooper was deep and would have taken months to heal properly without medical attention. But the wound had healed itself in what, a day or two?

Sounds plausible to me. :) That means the island also likes Sawyer. He healed real fast from Sayid's knife wound, and even faster from being septic from the gunshot wound. Mortality is high for sepsis, especially for people not in a hospital. Plus, it would take months to recover from. ;)

[heatherlar]

I thought the "complication" was supposed to be in the finale, but I'm too lazy to go looking through the fuse posts to verify.

LOL, me too. Someone on the spoiler thread said earlier today that he was speaking of this episode, so that's what I was basing my question on. Can anyone clarify?

[jessica1984]

I want to blow Jack first.[/SPOILER]

:shock: You wanna do what?????!!!!:eh:

You might want to an an "up" after that blow.

:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:

[Dezdemona]

Two aspirins coming right up.:giggle: You're in charge of them next week.;)

moo6cow2, I agree. Could it be that the island or Ben is punishing Locke because he cheated( meaning he didn't kill Cooper), becuase Locke did accuse Ben for the same thing in TMFT?
Anyway, I really don't know what to think anymore. This show is getting weirder and weirder.:sigh: I wont be surprised if it turns out that it was Locke that said: Help me; in some twisted Lost parallel universe. Okay, this is too much for my shipper head.:giggle:

In my view, none of tonight's events had anything to do with Sawyer killing Cooper. Not at all.

[demented drummer]

Thanks, Luanne.:glomp:

So, he hadn't decided what to do yet? Really, Jack?:rolleyes: Again, where is Danielle?:mad: I want to blow Jack first.

:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:

Greatest. Typo. Ever. :giggle:

[Castaway86]

I think this the only clip that needs to be made tonight.

Camp Meeting

http://www.dailymotion.com/Luanne1/video/3258818

Thanks Luanne! :flowers: Oh, Jack, how I wish he'd get eaten by Lostzilla. :giggle:

[treesa]

I'm seriously :rotflol: here.

[Helena]

:rotflol: :rotflol:
:bow:
Okay, this will go in history.
Is it to late to say I type faster than I think? Probably YES.:giggle:
You can continue to laugh now.:D

[Dezdemona]

Luanne - Thanks for the clip! :flowers2:

It's pretty clear Kate isn't buying any of Sayid's criticism of St. Jack. Pfft!

[demented drummer]

:rotflol: :rotflol:
:bow:
Okay, this will go in history.
Is it to late to say I type faster than I think? Probably YES.:giggle:
You can continue to laugh now.:D

You don't have to tell me twice. :rotflol:

Mary's going to devestated that she's lost her 'Typo Queen' title. :giggle: ;)

[LuvinSawyer]

They can't kill Locke! I believe Jacob will heal him. When the shack was shaking you did see a shape sitting in the chair at one point.

Jacob said to Locke "Save me"

Locke is the choosen one.

I wish the Skate scene would have been more. Maybe we'll get an island flashback with Sawyer playing the tape for Kate and her reaction to it :(



Next week is Claire and Charlie suppose to have sex? Know she knows about pregnant women dieing I don't see it happening.

Dam, I need to know if Kate is pregnant

[Arachne]

:rotflol: :rotflol:
:bow:
Okay, this will go in history.
Is it to late to say I type faster than I think? Probably YES.:giggle:
You can continue to laugh now.:D


Thanks for the permission. :crackup:

Jack's got to be heading for a fall. How could he even think about keeping something that important from the rest? Then again, Sayid kept Naomi from everyone, too. What is it with those boys and secrets? In particular, Sayid's life seems to revolve around them.

[Luanne]

They can't kill Locke! I believe Jacob will heal him. When the shack was shaking you did see a shape sitting in the chair at one point.


Yes you did

[Helena]

You don't have to tell me twice. :rotflol:

Mary's going to devestated that she's lost her 'Typo Queen' title. :giggle: ;)

:rotflol:
We can share the title. I won't mind.:giggle:

[treesa]

Jack's assery usually doesn't faze me too much, but that camp scene just turned my stomach. Something bad really needs to happen to him.

[Castaway86]

Oh my lord. Carebear sex next week. For reals? I'll need blinders. :blank:

[jessica1984]

Thanks for the permission. :crackup:

Jack's got to be heading for a fall. How could he even think about keeping something that important from the rest? Then again, Sayid kept Naomi from everyone, too. What is it with those boys and secrets? In particular, Sayid's life seems to revolve around them.

In Sayid's case, he has a right to suspect Naomi, who is a complete stranger. In Jack's case, he is supposed to be their leader, their hero, so he really doesn't have one excuse for not telling them.

Nobody can defend Jack not telling these people about this.

[LuvinSawyer]

Oh my lord. Carebear sex next week. I'll need blinders. :blank:

:crackup:

[demented drummer]

Oh my lord. Carebear sex next week. For reals? I'll need blinders. :blank:

*shudders*

I'm going to poke my finger in my eye when i see that coming. :blank:

[Luanne]

Oh my lord. Carebear sex next week. For reals? I'll need blinders. :blank:

I'm so not making a clip of that

[demented drummer]

I'm so not making a clip of that

:crackup:

Good. :sweat:

[Castaway86]

I'm so not making a clip of that

:crackup: Two children having sex. Shouldn't they be skipping down the beach with box juices? :giggle:

[treesa]

:blank: There was a spoiler about Charlie and Claire having sex? I don't think I remember that one.

As for Sayid keeping Naomi secret, she wasn't an emminent threat to anyone, so need to tell everyone else. Once Jack knew about this reaid, he could have told them what was going on and formed a plan, instead he's waiting. Waiting for what? He didn't even wanna tell Kate yet. Very very suspicious.

[AliceKarbën]

Luanne thaks for the clip. :flowers2: :flowers2: :flowers2:

Was only me or i saw James with a " Damn it, why sex has this kind of consequences?" and a "If freckles is pregnant, i'll have to make after-hours to protect that little woman from those crazy bastards, just now when i need to take a day off." FACES

Next wednesday we'll have a skate scene, they'll have to talk about it, i HOPE!!

[demented drummer]

:crackup: Two children having sex. Shouldn't they be skipping down the beach with box juices? :giggle:

They should be drinking milkshakes at the mall. :giggle:

Enjoy the ep Americans! :D

[treesa]

Enjoy the ep Americans! :D

3 more hours... for the westcoast at least. Although 1 more hour before the preview for next week shows.

[Zoriah]

Kate's line: "He has a right to know" better be applied to her and the rest of the women too, heck the whole camp. They had a right to know they were going to be attacked within a matter of days and the women taken. If Kate doesn't chew Jack out for keeping them in the dark after this, I truly am going to have to give up hope on her ever being a strong, independent and SMART woman again.

[Arachne]

In Sayid's case, he has a right to suspect Naomi, who is a complete stranger. In Jack's case, he is supposed to be their leader, their hero, so he really doesn't have one excuse for not telling them.

Not telling Naomi much, I get; not telling the rest of the Losties she exists, I'm not so sure about. Not that I think too badly about him, I just think secrets play an interesting roll in Sayid's character.

Nobody can defend Jack not telling these people about this.

I hope not. I really do. However, even though Kate's my favourite character, I won't be surprised if she tries. :(

[AliceKarbën]

They should be drinking milkshakes at the mall. :giggle:

Enjoy the ep Americans! :D

"Claire what was your Happy Meal Gift ? do you wanna change ? "

[Zoriah]

I agree about the Sawyer faces Alice. He was definitely worrying about Kate and taking sidelong glances.

[demented drummer]

Kate's line: "He has a right to know" better be applied to her and the rest of the women too, heck the whole camp. They had a right to know they were going to be attacked within a matter of days and the women taken. If Kate doesn't chew Jack out for keeping them in the dark after this, I truly am going to have to give up hope on her ever being a strong, independent and SMART woman again.

I agree. I just don't get her lately. We've been saying all season she needs her eyes opened, hopefully it happends sooner rather than later. :sigh:

Jack had no right to keep that information to himself because HE hadn't decided what to do yet. That guy has got a nerve. Ugh.

[freedom song]

Another continuity error (fire Gregg already):

Juliet tells Sawyer to turn the tape over to hear that Ben is coming in a couple of days to kidnap the pregnant women. But Sawyer already knew this because Locke told him. Why does he seem surprised? This is much more important and urgent than Juliet being a mole. Why didn't he tell the other losties, first Sayid and Kate, then the camp meeting, at the same time as he played them the tape. It made Juliet revealing it sound like a nonsense, backtracking plot contrivance.

[blondee]

I thought the "complication" was supposed to be in the finale, but I'm too lazy to go looking through the fuse posts to verify.



Can someone please tell me where this "complications for the triangle" came from & maybe Gregg was just meaning there are always complications that will arise like Juliet & what has now happened to Sawyer!

So is this complication in the finale or did he specifically say it was tonight's ep?:eh:
I am :confused:

If it was the finale he was talking about then that makes me a little more concerned so I would love to know his exact comment!:shifty:

[AliceKarbën]

Another continuity error (fire Gregg already):

Juliet tells Sawyer to turn the tape over to hear that Ben is coming in a couple of days to kidnap the pregnant women. But Sawyer already knew this because Locke told him. Why does he seem surprised? This is much more important and urgent than Juliet being a mole. Why didn't he tell the other losties, first Sayid and Kate, then the camp meeting, at the same time as he played them the tape. It made Juliet revealing it sound like a nonsense, backtracking plot contrivance.

He looks surprised because Ben is talking about Kate ! he's realizing that maybe she's pregnant and he has to protect her as co-partner in their "afternoon-delights".

[Clarisse Aniston]

Can someone please tell me where this "complications for the triangle" came from & maybe Gregg was just meaning there are always complications that will arise like Juliet & what has now happened to Sawyer!

So is this complication in the finale or did he specifically say it was tonight's ep?:eh:
I am :confused:


He said specifically that it was on "The Man Behind the Curtain"

[blondee]

He said specifically that it was on "The Man Behind the Curtain"



Really then I have no idea what it could be?:eh:

[AliceKarbën]

Can someone please tell me where this "complications for the triangle" came from & maybe Gregg was just meaning there are always complications that will arise like Juliet & what has now happened to Sawyer!

So is this complication in the finale or did he specifically say it was tonight's ep?:eh:
I am :confused:

If it was the finale he was talking about then that makes me a little more concerned so I would love to know his exact comment!:shifty:

Complications IMO is the possibility of Kate beeing pregnant, and YES he was talking about "the man Behind the curtain".

[demented drummer]

Complications IMO is the possibility of Kate beeing pregnant, and YES he was talking about "the man Behind the curtain".

If he's speaking sense then he must be talking about the possibility that Kate is pregnant - It complicates things for Sawyer and Kate's relationship and strains the 'relationship' between Jack and Kate because he didn't tell her.

[Castaway86]

If he's speaking sense then he must be talking about the possibility that Kate is pregnant - It complicates things for Sawyer and Kate's relationship and strains the 'relationship' between Jack and Kate because he didn't tell her.

Makes sense to me. :nod:

[hayser]

He said specifically that it was on "The Man Behind the Curtain"

Does anyone have a link to this post on the Fuselage? I've been back and forth through all of Gregg's responses for the past few days & I can't find a mention of this anywhere. Was it definitely Gregg who said this?

[lizziefitz]

I know it's been said before, but...Jack is the assiest ass who ever assed. "I hadn't decided what to do yet." Good thing Ben and his goons didn't come early, you nimrod.

[Castaway86]

Jack is such a frakking prick. How dare he pull that superior crap knowing what he knows and keeping it a secret from everyone. :mad:

[demented drummer]

Does anyone have a link to this post on the Fuselage? I've been back and forth through all of Gregg's responses for the past few days & I can't find a mention of this anywhere. Was it definitely Gregg who said this?

Unfortunately i'm banned from that lovely forum but it was definitely Gregg who said it and it was for this ep, not any other.

[Tigg3000]

I.
Hate.
JackAss.

:blank:

[blondee]

If he's speaking sense then he must be talking about the possibility that Kate is pregnant - It complicates things for Sawyer and Kate's relationship and strains the 'relationship' between Jack and Kate because he didn't tell her.



Yeah that is all it could be about, the fact that Kate may indeed be pregnant!:shock:

But I just hope the "complication" is not because in the finale Kate will declare ......her love for Jack & then find out she is carrying Sawyer's baby!:rolleyes: :(

I really doubt that though because I cannot see the writer's having Kate tell Jack she loves him after she has not been able to say it to Sawyer all season yet we are to believe she would be more than willing to tell Jack she loves him that quickly out of the blue?:rolleyes:
No Way!

[demented drummer]

But I just hope the "complication" is not because in the finale Kate will declare ......her love for Jack & then find out she is carrying Sawyer's baby!:rolleyes: :(

Just, no. :blank: He said that about THIS episdoe, not the finale.

[Tigg3000]

Ooookay. That was really freaky. So is Jacob really the spirit of the island or something?

And didn't it seem like there should have been a Skate scene between the first sayid/kate/sawyer scene & the Camp meeting?

[Castaway86]

Okay, that whole Jacob thing was funny just reading it, but it's actually hysterical seeing it for yourself. Again, WTF was that??! :rotflol:

[Arachne]

I saw the figure in the chair this time.:shock:

[demented drummer]

Was there anything there? Smoke? Anything? :shifty:

[Luanne]

This the only post I could find with "complications"

These are good questions.

It starts with the writing process and creating the triangle on the page with the characters. You introduce a character, show that character meeting the second character, create a scene where their romantic interest is the subtext or it's just beginning and they flirt or whatever, then intro the third character that likes one of them and makes things difficult. It provides great obstacles for the characters.

Then you cast the actors and hope to God that they actually have chemistry or a spark togther. It can be there on the page, but if the characters don't bring it to life it'll die a quick death. (Uh, like Jack and Ana Lucia. That went nowhere. But then consider Juliet. Yeah!) So if it's not working with the actors, the writers will quickly write it out. No sense in beating a dead horse. So yes, there is a concrete throught process to it.

When to end it is always an open question. The writers on Cheers ended the Sam/Diane romance by getting them together, and many people believe it was a huge misstep. I agree. In that case, fans really wanted it but I think it was a mistake to give to that. Once it happened, their characters became less interesting and there wasn't anything to play between them. Same thing with Moonlighting. So with the triangle I would guess that the writers know who should be together from a writing point of view and then make things difficult for that pairing.

Wasn't it interesting to see Kate watching Jack and Juliet together? Juliet is so much more on the same level as Jack -- a doctor and well educated. I kind of thought that Kate was feeling inadequate at that time. And that's a great complication because out of that characters will make decisions that will affect things down the line.

So how is it going to work out on Lost? There are some great moments coming up, so wait, watch and see.

[demented drummer]

I hope we get some skate in the promo, i can't talk about FauxJack for another week. :giggle:

[Clarisse Aniston]

This the only post I could find with "complications"

It's not that one, he definetly says "I'm writing this before TMBTC"...I think I posted it myself on the spoiler thread, but I'm too lazy to look for it.

I hope we get some skate in the promo, i can't talk about FauxJack for another week. :giggle:

At least now you know that if there is one, he's not Jacob :giggle:

[Clarisse Aniston]

I hope we get some skate in the promo, i can't talk about FauxJack for another week. :giggle:

At least now you know that if there is one, he's not Jacob :giggle:

[Luanne]

Jack : We're going to blow them all to hell. Funniest thing he's ever said

[Helena]

I hope we get some skate in the promo, i can't talk about FauxJack for another week. :giggle:

I couldn't agree more. :giggle:

[Leah Kate]

Oh, my GOD, I hate Jack in Action Hero mode. "When they show up, we're gonna blow 'em all to hell." Okay, Jean-Claude Van Shephard. :rolleyes: What a dips*it.

But Sawyer protecting/shielding Kate from the dynamite demonstration was adorable. :lotsalove

As for the episode - it's too weird for me to digest yet.

[Castaway86]

Good promo! :w00t:

[demented drummer]

Jack : We're going to blow them all to hell. Funniest thing he's ever said

Ugh. Seriously? This forum really needs a vomit smilie.

Hopefully he get's caught in the middle of the blast. :D

[Luanne]

Oh, my GOD, I hate Jack in Action Hero mode. "When they show up, we're gonna blow 'em all to hell." Okay, Jean-Claude Van Shephard. :rolleyes: What a dips*it.

I know I should take him seriously when he's all Jack the hero, but I can't

[jessica1984]

Oh, my GOD, I hate Jack in Action Hero mode. "When they show up, we're gonna blow 'em all to hell." Okay, Jean-Claude Van Shephard. :rolleyes: What a dips*it.

I cannot take anymore Jack. I can't do it. His actions are unacceptable for a leader and a hero.

But Sawyer protecting/shielding Kate from the dynamite demonstration was adorable. :lotsalove

I didn't see that!! Caps please?:D

As for the episode - it's too weird for me to digest yet.

Maybe the best ever in terms of WTFness.

[demented drummer]

But Sawyer protecting/shielding Kate from the dynamite demonstration was adorable. :lotsalove

Sounds great. :D

[Leah Kate]

Sounds great. :D
You have to watch it in slow mo to get the full effect. :D (Apparently that's what that group shot was from - they're all watching Jack and Juliet's AWESOME demonstration of how to blow s*** up. And Jack has that old crazy gleam in his eyes. How I've missed that one.) But Kate and Sawyer both look shocked at the explosion, and Sawyer immediately tries to shield Kate as they both back up.