Michael/Sun - Do you agree with it?

[Pennyghost]

How do you feel about Michael potentially messing around with a married woman. One with a slightly psychotic husband nonetheless.

So far I'm getting the vibe that Michael is without a doubt impressed by her beauty and starting to feel protective of her, but that he has no idea what he is getting into.

I must say, I'd be disappointed if Michael moved to the caves immediately just for her. Because I really, really liked his reasoning for staying at the beach, how he is not giving up hope, for Walt. I think it would kind of ruin the beautiful sentiment if he immediately gave that up for booty. :o

[Liz]

Well, I really don't like Jin, and I really think that Sun should dump Jin's butt in the jungle, lol. So I'm not outrageously opposed to Michael/Sun. Much as I don't like adultery at all (I am Catholic, after all ;)), I just find myself grinning over the angsty/longing looks Michael and Sun give each other.

But Michael wouldn't be moving into the caves just for her. I don't think he'd even thought of moving there permanently until Walt asked him if they could. Walt wants to live at the caves, and Michael wants Walt to be happy, so I think that would also be a big portion of his decision to move there, if he does indeed decide that. Sun would just be icing on the cake.

[Pennyghost]

I always thought it interesting that Michael didn't consider from the beginning that the caves might be a much safer place for Walt. Wonder if there could be a scenario where Michael drops Walt off at the caves (after all Locke and Sun are there) and stays on the beach himself (of course visiting Walt regularly).

I also thought it interesting for despite saying how much he wants to be rescued, Michael hasn't really been active in Sayid's little projects or attempts (as opposed to Boone for example).

[mara]

i think that michael really like sun and sun is interested in michael... but at the same time i think sun is still in love with her husband...

imho jin was different before the marriage... we saw a tender man who was really in love and very cute with her... i think he changed after the marriage and most of all 'cuz he had to work for her father... he was obsessed with the money and he wanted to give to her a good and rich life as she had before...

i dont know... i really like a potential story between sun and michael... she needs a man like michael who can love her... she needs a "normal" man... but i hope that her husband will change and he'll return the man he was... jin was really a normal and cute guy at the beginning... maybe it was the work that changed him...

[GODHOOD]

I would really be disappointed with Michael if he went after a married woman, Sun shouldn't encourage or allow it either. I mean she didn't even leave Jin when she had the chance, which shows she still loves him. Now if Jin were to be killed off the show then that's another story.

[Pennyghost]

I actually think that if Jin was killed off (eaten by the monster or something) that Sun would/should feel guilty because she was already flirting with Michael while Jin was still alive.

[GODHOOD]

I actually think that if Jin was killed off (eaten by the monster or something) that Sun would/should feel guilty because she was already flirting with Michael while Jin was still alive.

I didn't see any flirting from Sun, all I saw were looks, mostly on Michael's side. She hasn't crossed the line from what I've seen.

[Pennyghost]

I don't know. I saw looks from her side as well. And even if she didn't do anything about it, even if she just felt the attraction, it would still make you feel bad. You know, emotional betrayal and all that jazz.

Now if the spouse were to die appruptly (without turning evil before dying), she would feel guilty of not being nicer when he was alive, for emotionally betraying him. Or she would feel ashamed for secretly feeling happy that he died or that she might feel like that.

Right now, she might think consider it so bad to have some secret feelings for Michael, because she either thinks nothing will come out of it or because she intends to leave the husband anyway and that he will still get a chance to get over it, since she plans to him being alive even after she leaves him.

On the other hand, if he dies while he is still married to her, the social pressure (real or imagined) would be to mourn him like a wife, even if her heart isn't in it. And that in turn might make her feel guilty.

Errr, I'm not sure if I'm making any sense. But I tried ;)

[ReallyLove LOST]

I think that if Jin doesn't change back into the person he was before he started working for Sun's father, then Sun should definitely leave. And go be with Michael. :D

I think that if Jin dies, like you guys are talking about ... Sun just shouldn't be with anyone at all. BUT I also think Michael should definitely be the one to help her out after Jin dies, too. But not in a romantic way.

[Pennyghost]

Yeah at least for a while. If Jin dies while they are still married/together.

[Lost_In_New_York]

I always thought it interesting that Michael didn't consider from the beginning that the caves might be a much safer place for Walt. Wonder if there could be a scenario where Michael drops Walt off at the caves (after all Locke and Sun are there) and stays on the beach himself (of course visiting Walt regularly).

He said his top priority was getting his kid off the island and that's why he wanted to stay on the beach.

I also thought it interesting for despite saying how much he wants to be rescued, Michael hasn't really been active in Sayid's little projects or attempts (as opposed to Boone for example).

Well, neither has Jack, Charlie, Hurley, or Locke. The only guy helping Sayid is Boone.

[Pennyghost]

Locke doesn't want to get rescued. Jack is convinced that they wont get rescued. Charlie or Hurley seem to be pretty indifferent to the whole rescue concept. It makes sense for them to be not too keen on helping Sayid.

But Michael emphasised how much he wants off the island together with his son. Means that he would should have ample motive to help out or come up with crazy rescue plans himself.

[Lost_In_New_York]

Locke doesn't want to get rescued. Jack is convinced that they wont get rescued. Charlie or Hurley seem to be pretty indifferent to the whole rescue concept. It makes sense for them to be not too keen on helping Sayid.

But Michael emphasised how much he wants off the island together with his son. Means that he would should have ample motive to help out or come up with crazy rescue plans himself.

Well, if someone had accused me of doing something to a guy who'd just beaten the crap out of me (Just assumed without any evidence!) I wouldn't want to give him much help either.

[lovinglost27]

I agree that so far Jin has not beenan ideal husband. But we do know that at least at one time they were very affectionate. So I'm wondering if his dominance is a character flaw that just got brought out by his situation working for her father, or if htat is NOT who he really is. I personally would like to at least see them reconcile, though I am not in favor of people staying in abusive relationships.
I'm not entirely convinced that what is going on between Sun and Michael is romantic at all. I think somehow she just feels she can confide in him. But she is still with Jin, she didn't leave...why? Fear? Love? Both?
And Michael may have seen her *gasp* "necked," but that doesn't necessarily mean he has the hots for her. I'm sure if he were really that lonely, he could find another UNmarried woman on the island to keep him company...but I think right now he's trying to make Walt his priority.
And I don't want Jin killed just so they can get together.

[Iamlost]

It doesn't feel right wishing Jin was dead just so they can get together. I like the Michael/Sun pairing but I don't thing Jin has to die for them together. Don't get me wrong I do not like Jin, he's a jerk, but I think death is worse than adultery. Sun and Jin can't exactly get divorced on the island but they can split up. I don't think Jin would be happy about it but I don't think the other guys would let him pull anything. He did get handcuffed to part of the plane last time.

[kathryn_arwen]

I also thought it interesting for despite saying how much he wants to be rescued, Michael hasn't really been active in Sayid's little projects or attempts (as opposed to Boone for example).

My understanding as to why Boone [and Shannon] were helping Kate and Sayid was because he [they] know the truth about the 16 year old French signal. Michael doesn't, ergo Sayid probably wouldn't take him aside for the task of helping with triangulating where the signal is coming from.

As to Sun/Michael I like all of the little looks and everything but at the same time if it doesn't happen, oh well. It's not that I'm indifferent to it, it's just I do actually like Jin as well, so I'm hoping that maybe he becomes the person he was before he started to work for her father. If for some reason Sun just doesn't want to reconcile or, tragically, Jin dies then I can see Michael and Sun getting together. I'm actually unsure as to where they are going with the almost-UST between the two of them, you know?

Also, for Sun to not want to reconcile it has to be for a really good reason, because she obviously still cares for him since she didn't leave the airport. If she didn't love him at all she would of just walked off. Although she is quiet and [in the beginning] passive, she does possess an inner strength. So by reason I mean he starts to become mean/anger/hateful maybe even to the point of being abusive [vocal or physical] because she is asserting herself.

The idea of Michael and Sun together is a good one and I think they'd make a good couple, but at the moment it seems there would be a lot of complications to that happening.

Well that's it for me, Ta!

[smitha_r]

I definately think there's something between Sun and Micheal but I would like to see Micheal offering comfort and support without putting the moves on her or vice versa. In the end it will be Sun's decision as to whether she chooses Jin, Micheal or neither.

[Raven O'Reilly]

Awww you guys are being kinda unfair to Jin. Think in culture context, it took Jin A LOT of guts to ask Sun's father permission to marry her. Sun was all ready to just leave and marry him regardless, but Jin wanted to be traditional and be *right* with her father, so he insisted on asking for permission (which is still a tradition even in Western cultures like America, though perhaps not so great anymore). He worked out a deal so he could be married to her. Sadly, it seemed that her father is some kind of mobster like CEO type or something and he made Jin his henchman of sorts. Gaining approval from your spouce's parents is very important and you combine it with Jin's want to provide a rich life for her, you get a very stressed out guy. He became hardened because of whatever it was he did for her father and I think she was afraid of that happening in the beginning.

However, that last second where he showed her that the lil flowers that he had gotten for her meant that he still loved her like he did when he was a waiter and that he wasn't ignoring her. He hadn't forgotten. That's what changed her mind to stay with him, I think. I think Jin and Sun are on the island so their marriage can heal.

[kathryn_arwen]

Raven your whole post pretty much stated why I want to give Jin a chance. :D I want to get to know Jin and find out his side of the story [and if I remember correctly, his episode is coming up shortly after Michael and Walt's]. I also realize that he couldn't really control who he became because he works for Sun's father. In hindsight, I'm sure both Jin & Sun are wishing they eloped. *LOL*

[Raven O'Reilly]

Yay! I'm not the only one. lol

[Chelsea]

I think Michael/Sun would be an interesting pair. Sun's husband is way too controlling and is so cruel to her sometimes, if I was her I couldn't stay with him. Michael seems like he would be more caring and considerate, therefore who cares if she is married? She's in a bad relationship! Jin can be kind, but I've seen too much bad out of him so far.

[Tati]

Sun/Micheal... not sure how I feel about it. I've seen the looks they give each other but she is a married woman. I do see that Michael is very protective of Sun. For example the episode where Shannon had the Athsma attack he warned Jin. But I dont think Jin is completely evil. If he would have been he would not have offered Hurley and Claire sushi in the Pilot ep. Besides when Claire's baby kicked and she put his hand on her stomach he was a bit apprehensive at first but then he smiled and seemed to really be happy that Claire's baby was still okay after the crash.
I just think he wants to make sure he and his wife are okay on the island. I mean being in an unfamiliar place with people you don't know can make you reclusive and weary of others.
I dont hate Jin. but it wouldnt be too horrible I suppose if Sun and Micheal get together if Jin starts getting abussive towards Sun

[Raven O'Reilly]

I don't think Jin is/will be abusive to Sun.

[Tati]

being abusive can be more than just physical abuse. we've seen how jealous he is... and well he did try to kill Michael once already. *shrugs* so you never know.

[Chelsea]

I don't think Jin is/will be abusive to Sun.

He is abusive to her clearly. He may have not hit her...or that we know of...although the things he says to her clearly hurt her feelings or else she wouldn't feel like she has to rebel against him. He is verbally and emotionally abusing her, she needs someone that won't be like that.

[Hankster]

Raven:

Thank you for being the only other person besides me who agrees that Jin and Sun's marriage can heal.

I hope that the writers do not take the trite, RACIST, STEREOTYPE plot-line of having a "Western man rescue an Asian damsel-in-distress from an evil/abusive Asian man." If they do, I will quit watching the show because I am sick and tired of all of these negative potrayals of Asian men.

Plus, there is probably a lot more to Jin's anger than has been revealed up to this point. There may have been a good number of incidents involving Western men in Jin's life-experience that might make Jin feel very protective of his wife. Couple that with a cultural tendency for xenophobia among Koreans and Korean Americans (this ethnic group outmarries the least out of their race and out of their own nationality compared with any other) there is probably a good reason for Jin to be mistrustful of Westerners.

[Hankster]

Jin had every right to go after Michael because Michael was disrespecting Jin and his marriage to Sun. It is morally wrong to mess around in the business of a married couple, to visually grope another man's wife and to look upon her like Michael has. I'm not talking about his accidentally seeing her topless--I'm talking about all of those other looks he keeps on giving Sun. If someone else starting going after my wife, there would be serious reprecussions.

[MrsIanSomerhalder]

I really love the thought of Michael/Sun, & really hate myself for admitting that, b/c I am one of those people where I am so firm in my beliefs they translate to my tv/movie watching, so I usually don't go against them. But until something happens to Jin or the Jin/Sun marraige I just have to think they make good friends...for now & nothing more.

[LOSTxMYxMIND]

The Michael/Sun/Jin is a much more interesting love triangle than Sawyer/Kate/Jack IMO.

[krazy1]

The Michael/Sun/Jin is a much more interesting love triangle than Sawyer/Kate/Jack IMO.

I think it is due to the fact that these 2 have actual balls enough to take the other out. When Jack and Sawyer do "thier dance of disdain", it is like watching a bad ballet. They never get onto it.Michael and Jin have wipped up the beach with each other a couple of times. :cool:

[celes]

The Michael/Sun/Jin is a much more interesting love triangle than Sawyer/Kate/Jack IMO.

I agree completely :D

Look, I like Jin and I didn't want to pass judgment on him until I saw his episode. It did take him a lot of guts to ask for her father's permission. And I think he doesn't need to die in order for Michael and Sun to be together (even though it might be adultry; I'm not that religious anyways).

But what he had to do to keep Sun just didn't go hand in hand with him being with her. His duties were affecting their relationship seriously and had some long term effects on it. Unfortunately, fate just was working against them (at least in my opinion).

Maybe they do have a chance to heal their relationship. But just so many things have happened to strain their relationship enough.

1) Jin learning she knew English and betraying his trust.
2) Jin's suspicions of her and Michael's relationship.
3) How Jin wasn't communicating well with her while he was working for her father.
4) He being extremely overprotective of her.
5) He would often leave her alone and give her gifts when she didn't want them or need them.

Crashing on a mysterious island doesn't exactly help either.

[Sayid Fan 1307]

I don't think there is really anything between Michael and Sun. Jin and Sun are married and they're gonna work out their differences. I really hope that nothing happens between Michael and Sun.

[[x]_fate_[x]]

I don't think there is really anything between Michael and Sun. Jin and Sun are married and they're gonna work out their differences. I really hope that nothing happens between Michael and Sun.

I agree with this statement as do I agree with all of the other statements supporting Jin and Sun's relationship.

I believe they love each other, perhaps that love has been supressed or not shown a great deal but that doesn't mean it's not there.

Michael and Sun have no real chemistry. They could be good friends but nothing more.

[Sayid Fan 1307]

Thank you very much fate! Jin and Sun are married...therefore they should be together. Michael has a son to worry about anyways.

[_dernhelm]

I think there was something there but I think it's gone now.

I really hope it stays that way because I don't want Sun coming between this really beautiful friendship that seems to be forming between Jin and Micheal. That watch scene in the finale made me all teary!!!

[Éowyn_Jade]

I have to agree. I love the friendship that's developing between Jin and Michael. (Chewie and Han *ROTFL*)
And I think what's cool is that Jin and Sun's marriage may not (and probably wouldn't have) lasted had they not crashed on the island... but it's kind of beautiful to see that they really do get a "second chance" of sorts for their relationship because of something as horrific as the crash. I'm pulling for Jin and Sun :)

I think if Michael and Sun do get together (we do get those little moments, like in the finale when Mike says "I hope you know how lucky you are" to Jin), Jin will probably have been killed off or something? I can't see the two of them happening while Jin's still around? :( And I don't want him to die!

[pftsobfreak]

I am one of the hugest Munners! Ever since the topless scene, and eucalyptis scene! *squeeee* :thud:

I used to hate Jin, but now I don't think he's really that bad. Well, I would scream if he dies. But I totally agree that he does not have to die for Micheal and Sun to get the hook up! They "divorced" in In Translation when he founf out she could speak English. I think they are going to try to mend things, but it won't work out. She will realise that Micheal treats how a lady is supposed to be treated. And she will soon realise they she and Micheal are a match made in Heaven! :cloud9:

[Pie]

I am one of the hugest Munners! Ever since the topless scene, and eucalyptis scene! *squeeee* :thud:

I used to hate Jin, but now I don't think he's really that bad. Well, I would scream if he dies. But I totally agree that he does not have to die for Micheal and Sun to get the hook up! They "divorced" in In Translation when he founf out she could speak English. I think they are going to try to mend things, but it won't work out. She will realise that Micheal treats how a lady is supposed to be treated. And she will soon realise they she and Micheal are a match made in Heaven! :cloud9:
Divorced? More like separated, if I do say so, myself. And they separated not only because of Sun's betrayal, but also because Jin knew he treated her wrong, and he thought that he didn't deserve to be forgiven.
Besides, they have forgiven each other. Made up. They are still in love. No offense, but I don't understand why people can't see this.

[greymoon77]

I'm not agree at all with MICHAEL and SUN.
Why they need to be together ????
Michael and Sun have no real chemistry. They could be good friends but nothing more...
Sun and Jin hve crossed so many problems.
Let's hope an happy ending for them...

[pftsobfreak]

Divorced? More like separated, if I do say so, myself. And they separated not only because of Sun's betrayal, but also because Jin knew he treated her wrong, and he thought that he didn't deserve to be forgiven.
Besides, they have forgiven each other. Made up. They are still in love. No offense, but I don't understand why people can't see this.

When I wrote that post, I couldn't come up with a better word, so I used "Divorced." Okay, so they "serperated" in IT. I see that they are still in love. But I think that they have so many so many problems in their relationship. Sun can't be herself around Jin. She wears a mask around him. When she's around Micheal, she can be herself and she feels so comfortable around him.

[megatron]

I rewatched the Lost promo that was shown on Channel 4 and felt that every single thing in this promo was relevant to the plot and how things have turned out.

I think that in this Sun/Jin/Michael saga will see Michael, despite his growing friendship with Jin will hook up with Sun but she will ultimately go back to Jin in the end.

If the dance sequence is anything to go by then rewatch it and tell me that this isn't going to happen. Oh, you can get it here: http://www.lostuk.net/index.php?page=downloads

[jater_luvs_josh]

Jun forever I think Micheal/Sun is....ugh.

[Hufflepuff]

I don´t agree with Michael and Sun! Sun and Jin are married and should stick together.

[Walien]

Sun is too good for Michael! It was awesome when she slapped him! :D

[Hufflepuff]

I don´t say Sun and Michael don´t fit but I believe in the love of Sun and Jin.

[iloveyoutoo]

I don't think there is anymore triangly between Michael, Jin and Sun. I think it's just a couple that has possibly made a new life long friend. Of course, this being 'Lost', those lives might not be all that long.....

[ilovenasir]

At first I thought Michael/Sun would definitely happen...because of all the tension and the way he defended her. And Jin was much more of an ass at the begginning.

But now I reckon the writers are going to opt for a cheesy Sun and Jin stay together happy thing, which I feel is annoying because a Michael/Sun storyline would be much more exciting & stir things up. So although I wish it would happen, I really don't think it will.