The Claire Cult Ship Collective

[Mighty_Squid]

"Together, we can make a difference"


EClaire, Coake, ConMamma, Jaire, Blaire, Daire Unite!

Do we want that lying little dope fiend to get our girl?

NO!

If they want to pander to fans let's get them to pander to us.

We have a plan:

1. Join The Fuselage (http://www.thefuselage.com/)

Yes, LF is our home but join there and inform TPTB that we don't want Charlie and Claire together.

The Claire Petion Thread at The Fuse (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51535)

2. The Press

Ask Assiello (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/05/24/DI2006052401841.html) about how the c/c kiss was out of place and bad writing.

3. Petition


The Save Claire Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/lost2006/petition.html)

What else can we do?

[NikaChan]

Hell no we don't!

Oh! Maybe we could do a petition! I don't know how good that would be, but it would be better than nothing. Get everyone to sign and then send it off declaring our protest against C/C!

[Gabs]

Strength in numbers, my friends. Claire would be better with ANYONE besides Charlie.

[kayla]

^:nod: I agree! (Especially Sawyer or Desmond. :giggle:)

[Mighty_Squid]

We can do Petitions Online (http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html).

Just need some good wording for the mission statement.

[Gabs]

Wording? Got it.

'Kill Charlie, NOT Claire!'

Simple and to the point.

[kayla]

A petition sounds great! I would DEFINITELY sign it. That kiss last night made me sick.

[ThePolarBear]

Wonderful idea!! I know a lot of the C/C 'shippers are happy and good for them, but Claire needs a real man!

[NikaChan]

Let them have their party, but when it's all said and done, we'll be the last ones laughing.

I say we push for a Charlie-death! If they can push for that damn, disgusting kiss, can't we push to see Charlie dead?

[AliCat]

Let them have their party, but when it's all said and done, we'll be the last ones laughing.

I say we push for a Charlie-death! If they can push for that damn, disgusting kiss, can't we push to see Charlie dead?
:w00t: I think Charlie was possessed by the spirit of Face from The A-Team. For some reason all the women wanted to kiss him. There's no other explanation.

I think we should all carry a link to this thread in our signatures. I'm putting mine in NOW. :nod:

[Hοelli]

I'm registered at Fuselage, but I never posted and never really visited, so I can't found this action anywhere for more than 15 minutes now, it says searching is disabled and that doesn't help either :p Any direct link? :D

[NikaChan]

Good idea, I'm going to put the link in my sig as well! ^.^

[AsHLeE]

I am totally, completely 100% in for this!!!

[Ninjapumpkin]

Count me in too!

[AliCat]

Anyone who would like some temporary cheering up, click the second "Noose" in my signature. It's gotten me through a rough day today.

[illyriaburkle]

Hee, that's great Ali. Count me in! :D

[Jade1021]

I really don't want Charlie with Claire. Mini fanfic: *random woman pops out of jungle and slaps Claire* *Claire looks over at Charlie disgusted* Claire-Eww! I just kissed Charlie! *slaps him*

, but I don't really want him to die :(

[Heather]

^:nod: I agree! (Especially Sawyer or Desmond. :giggle:)

I agree^^ hee hee :heart:


Power to the People!!! Get Claire away from the runt!!!! She deserves someone BETTER!! He doesn't have to die, just be far away from Claire.

Link is going in my sig.

Damn the Runt, Save the Claire!!!

[Britt]

i'm in!!!!! get claire with sawyer or desmond!!

last night that kiss can u even say it was a kiss i mean come on a real man like sawyer would GIVE her a kiss not some little smooch..

[ehsteve]

we know ethan is the only guy for claire!! he had the right idea, hanging the :censored:

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Despite what my username is, I have stopped being a PB&Jer since early in the season (namely, 23rd Psalm). I agree that Claire deserves much better! I am totally in with you guys!

[PITAchic]

Gah!!! This thread just made me a million times happier!! :w00t: I'm so glad we're actually going with this :nod: Charlie and Claire will not be together.... :shifty:

[Ice Berg Legend]

Maybe Charlie was high or got knocked out proper by the blast, and all this is just happening in his head......well one can hope

[Adelheid]

I love this thread already. That C+C kiss last night was so utterly and completely pointless. They could have done so much more in those 2 minutes they wasted on that.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

In support of the anti-PB&J movement, I started this....

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=1335351#post1335351

[ehsteve]

Maybe Charlie was high or got knocked out proper by the blast, and all this is just happening in his head......well one can hope

Incident at owl creek bridge? look it up!

[Gabs]

In support of the anti-PB&J movement, I started this....

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=1335351#post1335351

w00t! Awesome. :D

[NicoleR]

im sooo in. I would definitely sign a petition.

[Ice Berg Legend]

Incident at owl creek bridge? look it up!
Whoa! Creepy stuff

[Eldarwen]

Well I'm joining, just like everyone I don't wish to see dear Claire with Charlie...also....

SHE KISSED HIM!!!!! Poor girl, so much time in that frigging island has damaged her eyes, poor, poor, thing.

[Charlie=Wanker]

I'm already registered at the Fuselage, but I never post there because it censored Charlie=Wanker to Charlie=Pookie. LOL! I don't really want to post under that name. Does anyone know if they allow you to change your name over there? Anyway, of course I'll join the anti-PB&J revolution. :D

[MyFav]

I couldn't careless if she ends up with anyone but I got so mad last night watching what they did to Claire's charactor. So I am in!!!

[Gabs]

That's what we're all about! Saving Claire... cause what happened last night was crap. >.<

[nightskiesfading]

I'm already registered at the Fuselage, but I never post there because it censored Charlie=Wanker to Charlie=Pookie. LOL! I don't really want to post under that name. Does anyone know if they allow you to change your name over there? Anyway, of course I'll join the anti-PB&J revolution. :D
:crackup: Charlie=Pookie is probably about the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I'm soooo in on this, we've got to pull Claire out while there's chance for redemption!

[Mighty_Squid]

How's this:



This petition is to ask the writers of Lost to keep Claire away from Charlie for the time being since he has yet to redeam himself. The kiss from the finale was just all a bad dream since I am sure she remembers his actions a week ago. The alternative would destroy Claire's character and as fans we feel we need to do something.



Please help me on the wording.

[AliCat]

This petition is to ask the writers of Lost to keep Claire away from a relationship with Charlie for the time being. Charlie has yet to redeem himself for his shockingly selfish, brutal actions both against Claire and Aaron and the Losties' community as a whole.

The kiss from the finale was just all a bad dream since I am sure Claire remembers his grossly inappropriate and frighteningly horrific actions from a week ago, Lost time. The alternative would destroy Claire's character both as a protective mother and strong, independent young woman; and as fans we feel we need to do something to prevent her character from thorough assassination.

I added a bit to it and corrected "redeem". :) Too strong?

[Mighty_Squid]

Yes, please correct my spelling. :p

I went to college. I swear.

I like the wording but it is a bit strong. I'm serious about having the writers look at it.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

[AliCat]

Sorry... :o :o :o :o :o :o I still am holding a grudge... *cough*

[NikaChan]

I think it sounds good.

The alternative would destroy Claire's character both as a protective mother and strong, independent young woman; and as fans we feel we need to do something to prevent her character from thorough assassination.


I think with that something should be mentioned that any good mother would keep their baby and themselves away from someone who is potentially using or could start back up using again.

*shrugs* But that's my own opinion. I think it's good nonetheless.

[Hatsumomo]

Ali, that pic of Charlie in your sig...cheered me up thoroughly.

I'm all for this, and I'll be linking to the thread in my sig. :)

[illyriaburkle]

I'm already registered at the Fuselage, but I never post there because it censored Charlie=Wanker to Charlie=Pookie. LOL! I don't really want to post under that name. Does anyone know if they allow you to change your name over there? Anyway, of course I'll join the anti-PB&J revolution. :D

:rotflol: Ahh, that's funny. Don't you think they'd tell you upfront you cannot have curse words in your name, so they can give you the chance to chance it? :rolleyes:

This petition is to ask the writers of Lost to keep Claire away from a relationship with Charlie for the time being. Charlie has yet to redeem himself for his shockingly selfish, brutal actions both against Claire and Aaron and the Losties' community as a whole.

The kiss from the finale was just all a bad dream since I am sure Claire remembers his grossly inappropriate and frighteningly horrific actions from a week ago, Lost time. The alternative would destroy Claire's character both as a protective mother and strong, independent young woman; and as fans we feel we need to do something to prevent her character from thorough assassination.

I like this one. It may be slightly harsh, but it's straight to the point and shows we mean business IMO.

[juicyfruitgome]

This is a great idea. You think whoever named the finale was trying to send us a message? Live together, die alone. We fans who would actually like to see the character of Claire portrayed as a grown woman and half-way decent mother need to stand together.

What are the other major Lost forums? We could have people who belong to those forums start a thread like this, and spread the word about the petition so we can achieve maximum sign-age. A petition's only as good as the number of people who sign it.

Does anyone mind if I go into any of the other Claire/somebodyotherthanCharlie threads, check to see if they already know about our campaign, and give them a link to this thread if they don't?

Edit: NM, I see Mighty_Squid's already started doing that.

[Charlie=Wanker]

:rotflol: Ahh, that's funny. Don't you think they'd tell you upfront you cannot have curse words in your name, so they can give you the chance to chance it? :rolleyes:

I know. I didn't see anything that said I couldn't use that word during the registration process. Then when I was done, it was like "Welcome Charlie=Pookie" or something like that. It was pretty funny.

Anyway, I like the petition idea. It may be strongly worded, but that'll just show them that we mean business. LOL! I think I'll pimp this thread in my sig too.

[MyFav]

The letter looks good to me. Show them some attitude. It is what gets the point across.:D

[capnlou]

I was going to suggest this while I was fuming last night thinking about C/C.

I'm in, wholeheartedly

[illyriaburkle]

I know. I didn't see anything that said I couldn't use that word during the registration process. Then when I was done, it was like "Welcome Charlie=Pookie" or something like that. It was pretty funny.


:rotflol: I imagine what a shock that would be. ;)

So, who's going to organise the petition? I plan to send it to everyone I know to add to the signature count. :giggle:

Also, capnlou, you're sig is too cute. :giggle:

[-Luana-]

KILL CHARLIE, KILL CHARLIE. *loves Conmama*

[nightskiesfading]

For the petition, I would love to add in how Locke was completely forgotten in the Claire storyline, as well as in the finale after Charlie emerged, Claire's fireside discussion was completely off - forgetting Locke and Eko were in the hatch and just going along with Charlie's giggling humor of it?

It seems so unreal I'm hoping with the explosion something was fried in their poor brains :eh:

[Charlie=Wanker]

For the petition, I would love to add in how Locke was completely forgotten in the Claire storyline, as well as in the finale after Charlie emerged, Claire's fireside discussion was completely off - forgetting Locke and Eko were in the hatch and just going along with Charlie's giggling humor of it?

It seems so unreal I'm hoping with the explosion something was fried in their poor brains :eh:

Their behavior was just bizarre. Most people would be at least somewhat concerned about the welfare of their missing friends. Well maybe Charlie doesn't care about anyone but Charlie, but it seems like Claire would be concerned for two men that have been nothing but kind to her. Locke protected her and her Aaron and Eko baptised Aaron. And instead of being worried about them, she's like "oh well, to hell with them...let me suck face with this cretin who stole my infant son only a week ago." WTF?! It still makes no sense whatsoever!

[Gabs]

You know, even if there IS a good explanation for that (a dream or drugs or whatever else) I will still never trust the writers again. Making us wonder for 4 months if they just assassinated her character? That's not a good cliffhanger. That's nothing but shock TV at a low level.

[nightskiesfading]

Gabs your user title :rotflol: Old school Alias!

I mean, I think the only reason they did that was to make Charlie/Claire fans (nothing against them) happy, when if they had done the bags over the head thing, the hatch explosion, and the phone call - that would have packed such a bigger punch than this little out of place kiss. I was really satisfied with everything in the finale except for Charlie and Claire's behavior, if they are sacrificing her character for this ship - then I will be really dissapointed.

I just want some explanations, from the writers this summer or from Season 3

[Gabs]

^Exactly. I'll admit it, I'm easy. I don't need tons of answers; what we got in the finale up until the end was spectacular in my book, and then they just had to throw that in there. :shifty:

(heheh, thanks. :D It's the mood I've been in lately. ;) )

[tabjai]

What's up with Gabs' title? :blank: :confused: I've started watching Alias recently... the fourth season and older episodes but I've noticed nothing like that.

Sorry for the OTness :rolleyes:... :p

[Hatsumomo]

It seems so unreal I'm hoping with the explosion something was fried in their poor brains :eh:

Naturally Claire was blinded in the flash of light and thought that it was [insert 1/2 of Cult Claire ship here].

Tabjai: It's from the pilot. Sydney told that to Suit and Glasses when he was torturing her.

[tabjai]

Ahh... I havn't seen the pilot... But I know suit & glasses :D.

*stops OT :blank:*

[kayla]

Put a link in my sig!! :D lol

[mrs ford]

I was really satisfied with everything in the finale except for Charlie and Claire's behavior, if they are sacrificing her character for this ship - then I will be really dissapointed

My feelings exactly, I was completely loving the finale, and then...
It seemed so out of place, it kinda stained what was a great episode.

[AsHLeE]

I haven't seen the final yet... but I know I'm not going to like it.

I don't understand why the writers would do that! Completely throw away practically a whole seasons story line like that. Not to mention it was completely unrealistic, if you think about... all of that would have happen in... roughly a week or so.

Claire's smarter than that. Much smarter. I just hope that something like this never happens again on Lost, honestly, from what I've heard, it makes me want to cry.

And I agree with nightskiesfading, I think they only did it to make pb&j shippers happy, which is stupid becuase the shows should be about 'ships' which is why I like it. They're there, obviously, and as fans its fun to talk about them and *cough* obsess over them, but when they become the main focus of the show... it kills it.

Ahem,.. rant over :D

[AliCat]

It's all a part of Claire's grand scheme to lure Charlie away from the camp... and then push him over a cliff. :shifty:

[Ice Berg Legend]

It's all a part of Claire's grand scheme to lure Charlie away from the camp... and then push him over a cliff. :shifty:
That would be Claire leading Charlie to his true destiny then :p

[nightskiesfading]

As we've said.

C/C - Charlie & Cliff.

^ I ship that.

[Hatsumomo]

As we've said.

C/C - Charlie & Cliff.

^ I ship that.

Sign me up. :blank:

[Jade1021]

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[Hatsumomo]

JADE! :crackup: That is the funniest thing I've seen all day.
Thanks for making me laugh :D

[UltraHyperShadow]

Yoyoyo! *whacked*

Okay, I don't wanna sound...."wierd" *whacked again* But isn't this kinda...bashing PB&J? Almost? Whatever, I make no sense *leaves* :D

[nightskiesfading]

There are mods and admins participating here, UHS, we aren't saying anything bad at shippers, we just don't want Claire with Charlie, and if she is going to be we don't want her character to be ruined because of it. We aren't going into the PB&J subforum to say bad things, we're staying in this thread and discussing why we don't want them together and want to get our thoughts out to the writers - that's not breaking shipper conducts as far as I know. We'd only go over the line if we were to bash the ship, which I think we're all watching out for.

[Gabs]

Yeah, because Mods and an Admin are going to violate the ship conducts. :blank: There's nothing wrong with hating a ship outside of it's subforum, as long as it doesn't turn into bashing the SHIPPERS. Those are real people; the ship is not.

Anyway. I've got an idea for a set of banners... gonna try to get that done today.

[_Erica_]

Why didn't I post here earlier? :blank: Dude, that trauma I got from seeing the finale must have been stronger than I thought :eh:

Jade- it's awesome :crackup:


-rocks back and forth in the corner-

This.is.not.happening. This.is.not... :bounce: ( he looks kinda like rocking back and forth denial style)

[Gabs]

Ok, got a series of banners done this morning. :D I had the idea last night right after I turned the computer off, because of course it wouldn't make sense to have an idea while I can actually do something with it. :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_CoakeSig.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_CoakeSig2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_ConMamaSig.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_DaireSig.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_EClaireSig.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_EClaireSig2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/GabsHardy/sigs/CCSC_JaireSig.jpg

[AliCat]

:crackup: Those are great, Gabs! We all need to join in on this and proudly display our ship flags. :D "Even if... he's STILL better for her than CHARLIE!"

[Gabs]

Thank you, thank you. :D

*displays new sig AND av* :w00t:

[Adelheid]

:rotflol: I love the Daire and Jaire ones.

[Gabs]

Added a new EClaire one by Ali's request. :D

[kayla]

:rotflol: Love the Daire, EClaire, Jaire and the one your using. I am going to use one of those banners!

[UltraHyperShadow]

Okay, I have to say, this stuff is pretty funny *sniggers* :crackup:

[Gabs]

Awesome Kayla. :D

Anyone's free to use the ones I'm making, and I'd love to see you guys add stuff in too. :D And I'm totally up for requests/suggestions on these, so if you've got something in mind that goes with the theme I've had going here, just let me know and I'll give it a try.

[NikaChan]

Those are awesome Gabs! ^.^

[tabjai]

Nnice Gabs... ;) There's a lot of Charlie hate :p

[kayla]

^lol.

[illyriaburkle]

Looooove those banners Gabs, nice work. :giggle:

[nightskiesfading]

Bwahaha :crackup: I love them, Gabs. I'm rather loving this banner Kools made for me, but I might switch out for a bit to support our cause.

I'm thinking of something like:

"She might remember peanut butter, but we remember when Charlie stole her baby"

"She might remember peanut butter, but we remember when Charlie stalked her"

Just one made quickly, with a Coake bias:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b291/_gentlycollapse/ccsc.png

[Gabs]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking of when I made the av. Let's see, what's more important... the time he brought her peanut butter, or the time he kidnapped her baby twice... hmmm...

Love the banner!

[MyFav]

Awesome Kayla. :D

Anyone's free to use the ones I'm making, and I'd love to see you guys add stuff in too. :D And I'm totally up for requests/suggestions on these, so if you've got something in mind that goes with the theme I've had going here, just let me know and I'll give it a try.
I'm not a shipper but I would like it if you could make a banner I could use that supports this thread.

[Mighty_Squid]

The Save Claire Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/lost2006/petition.html)

Sign and spread the word!

I'll post this on The Fuse Writers section one month prior to the season premier as well as possibly print it out and send it to them snail mail.

Any and all help will be appreciated.

[Gabs]

I'm not a shipper but I would like it if you could make a banner I could use that supports this thread.

Hmmm... I can definitely try... I'll see if I can get something done today. :nod:

[Mighty_Squid]

Got a good convo going at The Fuse (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51535).

If you're a member drop on by and support the CCSC!

[GandalfBot]

I signed the petition, wrote Ausiello, and voiced my opinion at the Fuse. :mad:

[illyriaburkle]

:w00t: I'm going to sign the petition now, then I'll post it in my LiveJournal and send it to everyone I know. :giggle:

ETA: Haha, I was number 15, a special Lost number! :D

ETA2: I was just told by someone in my journal that FanForum has an Anti-Charlie thread. If anyone has an account there, the petition should be cross-posted there too. Just an idea. :)

[MyFav]

Got a good convo going at The Fuse (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51535).

If you're a member drop on by and support the CCSC!
Thanks for the link and for the petition. I already signed it and I stopped by the Fuse to give my thoughts.:D

[AsHLeE]

I signed the petition and gave my opinion over at The Fuse :D

Now we just need to SAVE CLAIRE!!

[PITAchic]

Ugh, am I pissed! :mad: I posted the petition at a Lost LJ community, and the people there are flaming me already :rolleyes:

I'm gonna wait a bit before I go back in with my own snark, but if anyone wants to come in and support me, feel free to :)

http://community.livejournal.com/alostcommunity/97116.html#cutid1

[Charlie=Wanker]

Awesome banners, Gabs. I think I'll use the other Coake one, idf that's cool. And I signed the petition. Hopefully, we'll get some more people aboard the Anybody but Charlie ship. :giggle:

[Gabs]

Yeah, feel free! :D

[AsHLeE]

Aww... Meggles, that sucks! Hopefully htese people will come around.

[Charlie=Wanker]

Yeah, feel free! :D

Thanks! :)

[illyriaburkle]

Ugh, am I pissed! :mad: I posted the petition at a Lost LJ community, and the people there are flaming me already :rolleyes:

I'm gonna wait a bit before I go back in with my own snark, but if anyone wants to come in and support me, feel free to :)

http://community.livejournal.com/alostcommunity/97116.html#cutid1

Grr, some people just suck. :rolleyes: I might pop in and check out the situation. :shifty:

[Mighty_Squid]

Ugh, am I pissed! :mad: I posted the petition at a Lost LJ community, and the people there are flaming me already :rolleyes:

I'm gonna wait a bit before I go back in with my own snark, but if anyone wants to come in and support me, feel free to :)

http://community.livejournal.com/alostcommunity/97116.html#cutid1

I got ya, buddy!

God, Charlie fans are so blind sometimes.

Of course Claire loves him. Why shouldn't she?

*stabs self*

[Charlie=Wanker]

Ugh, am I pissed! :mad: I posted the petition at a Lost LJ community, and the people there are flaming me already :rolleyes:

I'm gonna wait a bit before I go back in with my own snark, but if anyone wants to come in and support me, feel free to :)

http://community.livejournal.com/alostcommunity/97116.html#cutid1

I read a few of those comments over there. It was funny how that one person was going on about how Claire would be displeased with the petition and was all like "how would you feel if someone made a petition about you?" WTF? Does that person not realize that Claire is not real?

[Mads13]

Well, this whole show is about growth. And Charlie has proven that he's grown.
If you throw a recovering alcoholic into a room full of liquor bottles, and all he does is toss them into the sea, he's taken a MAJOR step forward. Charlie lied because he was a junkie. WAS. To say he doesn't deserve another chance is like saying if you get a speeding ticket you should permanently have your licence revoked. Which would make more sense because you can actually kill someone if you're a stupid driver. Lying hurts, but it doesn't kill.
Claire cared about him from the beginning. And him her, especially after their Ethan ordeal. He was only doing what he thought was right at the time. The island gave him the dreams, he only acted on them.

[Wagsy]

Mads13,

Since you are relatively new to posting, I won't make this an official warning. Read the SHIPPER CONDUCTS (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=33479) before you post, please.

[Mads13]

Whooops....sorry :o
Won't happen again.

[GandalfBot]

Of course Claire loves him. Why shouldn't she?

*stabs self*

:rotflol:

[illyriaburkle]

Of course Claire loves him. Why shouldn't she?

*stabs self*

Don't stab yourself! Spork Charlie! *hands spork* :D

[-Luana-]

Can i use the Conmama one of these banners???

[capnlou]

Lovely banners!

Meggles, going over to the lj to support:w00t:

[Mighty_Squid]

I think the Charlie lovers are at it again.

I'm getting a 404 error on the signature page.

:shock:

I hope it's temporary.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

^ Me too. I'll definitely sign it when it's not being stupid.

[Gabs]

Can i use the Conmama one of these banners???

Absolutely, go for it.

MyFav, I made one that's ship-free, let me know if you like.

[Jade1021]

I made a Conmamma one last night. I would have posted it then, but the attachment thingy was being mean.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

It finally let me sign...but my signature was number 42:eek:

[MyFav]

Absolutely, go for it.

MyFav, I made one that's ship-free, let me know if you like.
It's great Gabs! Thank you very much.

[Ninjapumpkin]

50 names on the petition! That's a really good start. I even got my only other friend who watches Lost to sign. She was very happy to do it too, seems like it's not just us rabid shippers who disliked the kiss.

[Mighty_Squid]

Is there any way we can prove that this was written for the c/c shippers?

Are there any quotes from TPTB on the c/c relationship?

[juicyfruitgome]

Someone asked Javi back in February on the fuselage if there was any hope for Charlie/Claire, and he responded

'i believe franz kafka said it best when he said "there is all the hope in the world, just not for us."'

Link (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=37228&highlight=charlie+claire)

That would make it sound like there weren't C/C plans, but maybe it was just to throw us off?

Also on the fuselage, someone asked Raggs about C/C, and he said not to give up on Charlie. The question and response are rather long, so here's the link (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=36709&highlight=charlie+claire) to that if you're interested.

Both of these are a little old, though, so they may not be what you're looking for.

[NikaChan]

:rant:

Some people are complete morons. I won't even get involved in what's going on over in that community because it'll fire me up. It's called fanon for a reason. Not everyone is going to like C/C or Jate/Skate/Jun/Shayid...whatever. I mean, it would be way too boring. And nobody likes their icecream to be plain and tasteless.

That's why I love Cult ships, because it is fun and something interesting. For every character, there's at least five or more other characters to ship that person with, and it's fun. Frankly, if no one likes it, they don't have to read or see it. I mean, we're not going to cover or hide our icons, banners, whatever to just to please half the retarded nation.

It's bad enough that fanon stories get flamed at the "Pit." I'm just thankful that my Coake community has yet to get an ignoramous that will start fights with the members. I think Fanon!Shippers have more class. You don't see us going over to Cannon!Communities and starting fights or trying to start a fight over a ship because they disagree with it. Or at least I hope not.

All we're trying to say is that Claire is better off with someone else. Just because these fangirls OMGSQUEE! love Dom, not Charlie, because they could care less about Charlie, but love Dom because he was in Lord of the Rings, does not mean that Claire has to be with Charlie. It's so freaking annoying.

Locke is my ultimate pairing for Claire, but doesn't mean that anyone else (Sawyer, Desmond, Jack, etc...) yeah, and Ethan because it is hella funny, can't be shipped with Claire. People need to get off their soap boxes, no, I shall not get off of mine, and just get over it. In the end their precious canon will be destroyed, either by the writers, or by me. *points to sig*

So in conclusion, I win. :D

:uberglomp: for all the Claire!Cult!Shippers

[Mighty_Squid]

Thanks Juicy!

I used the quotes at The Fuse. Still fighting the good fight there.

[Gabs]

Nika rocks my world. :D

[Mighty_Squid]

Nika, I'm there too.

A "ship" is short for "relationship" not "fall in love with".

Anyone can enjoy the relationship between two characters whether they had one scene together or thirty.

People who make the "fanon" and "canon" distinction needs a dictionary.

Who the hell knows on this show anyway? She could end up with Benard in the end for all we know.

[juicyfruitgome]

No prob, MightySquid. I just did a quick search in the Ask the Creative Team area. There was surprisingly little there. There were a few recent ones from after the finale where someone would say they loved the Charlie Claire thing, and whoever was answering seemed to have a sort of stock answer where they'd say that the writers did a great job on the finale and they were really proud of it.


In the end their precious canon will be destroyed, either by the writers, or by me. *points to sig*

So in conclusion, I win. :D



Haha, that was awesome!

Who the hell knows on this show anyway? She could end up with Benard in the end for all we know.

He *did* save her from the flying quarantine door.

[Charlie=Wanker]

I was reading a review for "Live Together, Die Alone" over at ign.com and the reviewer, Eric Goldman, had this to say in regards to the PB&J kiss:

I have to say my burning desire to see the annoying Charlie die hasn't been quelled, and I thought it was particularly lame for he and Claire to mend fences and even share a first kiss all of the sudden.

I found it amusing, so I thought I'd share it with you guys.

You can find the entire review here (http://tv.ign.com/articles/710/710119p1.html).

[Mighty_Squid]

That's awesome C=W!

We need as many as these quotes as possible to show that this is more than just a small group of annoyed fans.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

^ Haha...he (Eric Goldman) took the words right out of my mouth.

[NikaChan]

Haha, thanks you guys!

Maybe if Charlie wasn't portrayed as a freaking idiot, then people might like him a little bit better. Maybe if he showed some intelligence and didn't act like...ugh, there's so many words that could go there, then maybe his character wouldn't be so bad. But the reality is, is that no one would go out with Charlie. Fangirls, yes, but women who have common sense, no.

As far as that dude goes, I salute him. At least we're not the only ones who are wishing that Charlie was dead. If Jack would have give up...Charlie would be dead. He's like a cockroach, you can cut the head off, yet they can still live. Ugh! And I hate roaches. I'm going to add that to my sig. :p

[MyFav]

I just started going to the fuse last night and it is very interesting the way some people think. Some sound like no matter what you say you are wrong. They ask for examples and we give many but then they deny it ever happened. But some are starting to have an open mind.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

He's like a cockroach, you can cut the head off, yet they can still live. Ugh! And I hate roaches. I'm going to add that to my sig. :p


No kidding. How many times did he cheat death in the season finale alone?

[NikaChan]

No kidding. How many times did he cheat death in the season finale alone?

Hmm...Locke beat the crap out of him. Then he was out in the jungle with Eko and that black smoke thing. Then of course the whole hatch and what went on in there. And then trying to escape. So that's about four for the whole season.

Last season Ethan did what he did. Then there was Jack and him in the cave. Then when he went with Hurley and them and he was trying to cross the bridge. Then of course the plane accident itself. Oh, would trying to detox himself count? Oh, and then he had that head wound that Sayid sealed together with some gunpowder. So that's six.

So about 10 times give or take for both seasons. Unless there are other times that I am forgetting.

Perhaps 11 if you count that polar bear that was trying to leap at them during the pilot episode I think it was.

[MyFav]

When the monster chased after Charlie, Jack and Kate and he fell and Jack helped him up in the pilot.

[NikaChan]

Oh yeah, forgot about that one!

What about when they were in the plane and the pilot was snatched out of it by that...thing? It could have been Charlie if he wasn't getting his drugs out of the bathroom. :mad:

So that's...13? Yeah.

[PITAchic]

What about the boar in Walkabout, I think it was? He got scratched up by that. He should have gotten some disease by it and died horribly :shifty:

[NikaChan]

I thought Charlie had went with them to get that dynamite. If so, he should have been the one to have been blown up.

Speaking of which, how would he have known about the dynamite being unstable? :confused:

[PITAchic]

No, he didn't go with them, unfortunately :mad: And I don't know, maybe he had a bit of common sense about the dynamite :rolleyes: But it should have blown him up when he showed Eko where it was.

[NikaChan]

Yeah, we'll count that as #15, cause he could have been blown up when getting the dynamite with Eko.

Damn, he cheated death about 15 times. His number has to come up sometime. I think I'm going to get in touch with the Grim Reaper, he's on my speed dial. We need to sit down over some coffee and discuss this situation and why he isn't doing his job correctly. :mad:

[nightskiesfading]

He did go with Eko to get the dynamite in the finale.

I really was sooo happy with those flames went through the hatch corridor thing, I thought he was dead. But no. Cockroach :mad:

I think I'm going back to my Charlie hanging banner :shifty:

[MyFav]

In the beginning of the pilot when the engine blows up that giant piece falls just behind him. He should have been 5 feet back.:D

[NikaChan]

Hooray for more people joining in! :w00t:

Well, Charlie has escaped death 16 times then.

I meant in the Season 1 finale when they went to get the dynamite, he didn't go. But yeah, he did go with Eko to get it where they had left it.

I made a little icon, it's animated so it can't be used here, but I couldn't help it. It can be found here. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b153/lunar_temptress/htgt.gif)

I just could not resist myself.

:giggle:

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Haha...Nika...I love it! I have a cold (my nose is all stuffed up and my eyes keep watering) but seeing that made me feel a lot better:)


Good grief, I had no idea he had cheated death that many times....cockroach indeed. Oh, what about that part in 'Homecoming' when Ethan takes out Jin and then has Charlie by the throat? I know Ethan wasn't trying to kill him at the time but he certainly could have.

[NikaChan]

Awww, I hope you feel better! I had a cold two weeks ago. It was mild sinus allergies, but it was still annoying. I'm glad my icon could bring you a little happiness! :)

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Yeah, part of mine is allergies. And it is very annoying..

Anyway, back on topic. I enjoyed that icon a bit too much. It's strange- last season, I really liked Charlie. Of course, he wasn't the annoying asswipe that he is now.

[NikaChan]

You know the sad thing, well it's not that sad, but I've never liked Charlie. Most characters you like or grow to like, Sawyer for example. Thought he was a jerk, but then he just made me crack up so many times I liked him within a few episodes.

Charlie on the other hand, he just...he just reminded me of how stupid humanity can be. Thus, he went into my annoyance list. :rolleyes:

[Mighty_Squid]

Oh, I loved Charlie last season and even hoped he'd get Claire in the end.

However I'm not blind and take his actions into account when judging him now.

Plus, I really would love to see her with Locke more than Charlie for Locke's sake. That's just my opinion of course :)!

Here at LF we actually respect each other's opinions.

Unlike other sites :shifty: .

[nightskiesfading]

Last season I liked Charlie, this season he's just so annoying to me. I didn't mind C/C last season either, I was never a big shipper but I didn't care really.

Now, it's a completely different story, and I'm a full Coake supporter, but if Sawyer/Ethan/Desmond/a tree/no one/Kate got her in the end I'd be happier than seeing her go down this road.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

I loved PB&J last season. They were my first Lost ship. As my love for ConMama grew, a part of me still liked PB&J and I thought I always would but in the words of Locke...I was wrong. Now am I hardcore ConMama and so against PB&J its crazy. And even though I really don't like Coake, I would take it over PB&J.

[juicyfruitgome]

I've never been a big Claire/Charlie fan. He is/was/whatever a heroin addict, which is never good for any relationship, and then he started trying to control her and tell her what was best for her and her baby. That bothered me quite a bit.

[Hatsumomo]

PB&J was the first ship after Jate that I ever liked. But this season, Charlie has just disgusted me. I want soooo much better for Claire.

[*AnGeL_EyEs*]

Gosh I am such a late bloomer. I havent seen the kiss and really dont want to(I a,m upset they would do this to claire's character)
the sceencaps make me gag :panic:

I never was a pb&jer always conmmama (since Walkabout) :p I found pb&j too cutesy and I didnt mind charlie like in the first eppisodes of season one but when he killed ethan :banghead: stupid hobbit!

So I suporrt this a hundred and ten percent

[deelee]

Don't you hate it when you support a person with more than one person? I mean, I love PB&J, but I also like Blaire, EClaire, Conmama and Coake is OK.

[illyriaburkle]

:rant:

Some people are complete morons. I won't even get involved in what's going on over in that community because it'll fire me up. It's called fanon for a reason. Not everyone is going to like C/C or Jate/Skate/Jun/Shayid...whatever. I mean, it would be way too boring. And nobody likes their icecream to be plain and tasteless.

That's why I love Cult ships, because it is fun and something interesting. For every character, there's at least five or more other characters to ship that person with, and it's fun. Frankly, if no one likes it, they don't have to read or see it. I mean, we're not going to cover or hide our icons, banners, whatever to just to please half the retarded nation.

It's bad enough that fanon stories get flamed at the "Pit." I'm just thankful that my Coake community has yet to get an ignoramous that will start fights with the members. I think Fanon!Shippers have more class. You don't see us going over to Cannon!Communities and starting fights or trying to start a fight over a ship because they disagree with it. Or at least I hope not.

All we're trying to say is that Claire is better off with someone else. Just because these fangirls OMGSQUEE! love Dom, not Charlie, because they could care less about Charlie, but love Dom because he was in Lord of the Rings, does not mean that Claire has to be with Charlie. It's so freaking annoying.

Locke is my ultimate pairing for Claire, but doesn't mean that anyone else (Sawyer, Desmond, Jack, etc...) yeah, and Ethan because it is hella funny, can't be shipped with Claire. People need to get off their soap boxes, no, I shall not get off of mine, and just get over it. In the end their precious canon will be destroyed, either by the writers, or by me. *points to sig*

So in conclusion, I win. :D

:uberglomp: for all the Claire!Cult!Shippers

This is why I love my Nika so bad. :glomp: You rock my world hon. :giggle:

And yeah, ditto to everything she said. ;)

She could end up with Benard in the end for all we know.

:rotflol: Dude, I can SEE this. ;)

As for Charlie!deaths, I'm working on a story (started it a few days ago but my computer keeps freezing :computer:) and I might post a link in my sig when it's finished.

[AsHLeE]

I :heart: this thread :D its like... every Claire cult ship conbined *reads title* duh! Ok, sometimes I say stupid things, lol.

Anyway... at first I thought pb&j was kinda cute... like looking back on early episodes their frienship was rather adorable, but quite honestly, I've never really seen the chemistry, like romance type chemisty, the firship yes, and as much as I really hate Charlie, I wouldn't mind seeing them becoming friends again. I think it would be nice, but any further... ugh... it'd be like... forcing Buffy and Xander to get together on BtVS (sorry if there are any B/X shippers out there).

Since I started watching Lost halfway through season 1... one fo the first things I remember about Charlie is getting Claire's diary, and then he read it. I think it was about that point I decided 'yeah, this guy can be kinda funny... at times... but he's way too obessive' which I think is true, Charlie is too obsessed with Claire.

I've gone beyond making sense and into complete rambling, I have too many thoughts in my head at once! Argh!

ahem..

[illyriaburkle]

Bwahahaha, for anyone who is interested, that Charlie!Deaths fic is up in my journal now, the link for it is in my sig. :giggle: Just y'know, for those who don't like Charlie. :rolleyes:

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Don't you hate it when you support a person with more than one person? I mean, I love PB&J, but I also like Blaire, EClaire, Conmama and Coake is OK.


I know. I ship every Claire ship but PB&J.


Now that I think about it, we were never really given any reason to believe that Claire had any romantic interest in Charlie. Well, not until that stupid kiss. I mean, she just never seemed to be romantically interested in him.

[*AnGeL_EyEs*]

My Main claire ship is of cause Conmama :giggle: but I have a soft spot for coake,and the other ships aswell thinking about Daire but I dont know now cause I love desmond but after the kiss

I know Maria how suddden was it I just dont know why they did that she didnt show no real interest in him romatically until :banghead:

[Gabs]

I really love this thread and the group we have in here. :D

I'm of course a Coaker all the way, but I'm not opposed to ConMama. And obviously, we know anyone is better for her than Charlie. ;)

[Archangel]

Now that I think about it, we were never really given any reason to believe that Claire had any romantic interest in Charlie. Well, not until that stupid kiss. I mean, she just never seemed to be romantically interested in him.

Her diary.

I'd say more, but anything I say would probably be viewed as shipper-bashing towards you guys, which is not my intent. Let's just say that I like the main idea of this movement (to make sure the writers keep Claire as the strong character she is) but I can't join it because I feel your reasoning and arguments are way off.

Like I said, I'll say no more. Good luck on your petition.

[i_eat_tissues]

*puts on bullet proof vest before posting* hi guyz... okay, please don't kill me but i'm a pb&jer
But i'm not here to tell you that what you are doing is wrong.

i just wanna ask you and i'm not trying to start an argument or have a go at anyone, i just wanna know, are you doning this because you love claire, hate charlie or both?

*runs for cover*

[nightskiesfading]

I love Claire, and I don't want to see her strong, independent, single mother character be turned into something else by making her get back together with the man who stole her baby too soon - without a rational apology or conversation between them. And the fact that Charlie was acting so silly and strange while Locke/Eko/Desmond were down in the hatch without seeming concerned about them at all, and Claire not seeming to care about them either, and just kissing him giggly by the fireside. That is not the Claire I want. The kiss scene did not fit into the finale, and the Challah would have packed a bigger punch without it. I don't want them to pander to fans because they felt the ship needed to mend before the finale, when I feel it is way too soon and I lose some respect for Claire for kissing the man who worried her so much 12 days ago.

[Gabs]

Both. I tried to like Charlie early on, because I liked Dom, but he's been an annoying twerp from day one. Even disliking him, I didn't hate PBJ in season one, because it made sense and while he was annoying, he hadn't yet done anythin to deserve such scorn. Now? He's kidnapped a child twice- sugarcoat it all you want, but that's what it boils down to- kidnapped and injured an innocent woman, won't take responsibility for anything he's done, and he's lied to Claire about the drugs. He's not safe, he's not mature, he's not stable, and he's sure as hell not a good person to be in Aaron's life right now.

Additionally, Claire USED TO BE a smart independent woman, and yet after a mere week, she kisses the man who did all of the above? What? That's my big issue here. She's a single mother, and until now she's always put her child first since his birth. For her to not only forgive Charlie so quickly for what he did to her, but to swap spit with him? It turns her into a stupid twit, right on his level really. It destroys the character as we've come to know her. If I wanted to see mindless make out sessions, there are a ton of other shows I could watch.

[Charlie=Wanker]

I agree with Gabs and nightskiesfading. I thought the kiss was totally out of place. This is a man who kidnapped her son and lied to her about his hoarding drugs only days before. He has done nothing to prove himself trustworthy since his totally inappropriate behavior, so it's insane that she would suddenly forgive him and kiss him even. I found it absurd that neither Charlie nor Claire seemed the least bit concerned about whether Locke, Eko and Desmond were dead or alive and just sat around giggling like retards. The kiss made no sense at all in that context and I think it did sacrifice Claire's dignity to have her act like such an idiot.

[NikaChan]

:banghead: :rant:

I hate Charlie. The fact that it is hurting my favorite character, Claire, ticks me off more. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I like him, or even once liked him. I never liked him. Dislike or hate isn't even a word towards him, I loathe Charlie. He is useless and completely pointless to the plot. Oh yes, we have to cover our bases and make sure that there is a bit of everything in the storyline. So that has to include having a druggie on the show. But Charlie has done nothing to contribute to the show, or the island. Except cause people to endanger their lives because of him, or steal babies.

Then there's the fact that he, of all people, is telling someone how to live their life or to do what is right. How is someone going to tell a person how to raise their child? Especially when they don't even know what responsibility is, except going out to pay for their next hit. I could care less if it was the drugs or not, but it is his personality. Charlie is a complete and total tard. I mean, he is freaking stupid! He can't sing, he's annoying as a fly on a horses *** and ugh!

To see Claire's character diminish into a total flooze is annoying as well! What happened to the girl that was making it on her own? Now she's going to be subjected to a reject crackhead and her character will go even further downhill. So in all honesty, I hope Claire dies. Please, just kill her now because I'd rather see her dead then see her character become nothing but a piece of trash. So am I hoping for a Claire!death? Yes, I am. If the writers don't keep Charlie away from Claire, the least they can do is either kill Charlie, which is the best option, or kill Claire.

And I keep reiterating this over and over again. It seems like I am talking to a brickwall. Which NO ONE except those of us who understand, and it's a point we've been trying to make, or at least I have been. What kind of mother or person would kiss someone after a person tries to steal their baby away, or uses drugs and lies about it? But will forgive them in a week's time? Seriously. Just because OMG!SQUEE!fangirls who LOVE Dom because he's British and is a Lotr star, does not mean that it has to be corrupted for him to be with Claire. They see Charlie as Dom and not Charlie as who Charlie is suppose to be. Oh, need I forget what he did with Sawyer? Or shall we take a little trip down memory lane and remember that he put Sun's life in danger as well? Just for his own selfish needs. That's what he is, selfish and ungrateful. He's an awful character and is only wanting what is best for him. Yes, let's keep piling all this onto his resume, it's only looking more impressive.

Yes, I win, again. :D

I need a drink now.

[Charlie=Wanker]

I totally agree, Nika. Charlie attacked an innocent woman in some sick attempt to get revenge on a man who Charlie thought humiliated him after Charlie KIDNAPPED a baby and SET FIRE at the camp. Aaron could have been seriously hurt or someone could have been injured in the fire, but did he feel the least bit remorseful about that? No, of course not. All he was cared about was that Locke made him look stupid so he had to get even with Locke. :no: Why do Charlie fans think this man should be involved with a young mother and her infant son?

[NikaChan]

And that's the thing that people don't get! Anything Charlie has done has been for his own selfish needs. Not saying that Sawyer is the best, but Sawyer has done more things than Charlie. And the fact that Sun was potentially harmed by Charlie, that's not cool. Sun is one of my favorite female characters as well, and it angered me when I found out it was him who did it.

But before the whole "well no one has done a lot for Claire than what Charlie has" thing gets brought up. I'll cover that right now. For one, Charlie has done nothing for Claire. Like walking around with Aaron or taking him off of her hands is a big thing. No, because while he was trying to be "Mr. Dad," he was dictating to Claire how to raise her baby.

OMG! he brought her a jar of nothing and pretended it was peanut butter. Umm...people, get over it. Claire only liked the peanut butter because it was a craving! Women crave things when they are pregnant. My Mom craved many things when she was pregnant, that she does not eat now. The little "peanut butter" thing, it's stupid. It was a craving, an urge to have it, and now the urge is gone. You don't see Claire crying for peanut butter anymore. Besides, it's fattening.

While trying to play the role of "Mr. Dad" did he ever consider that the baby needs things? Tada! Here comes Locke! He actually took the time to BUILD Claire a cradle for her baby. He didn't have to, but he did. Did Charlie think about doing that? No, because Charlie was too busy running around like a retard, looking for imaginary peanut butter. Has Charlie ever brought her food? No. Jin has, he brought her food. So did Locke and even Hurley.

And don't even go there with the whole "well Charlie killed Ethan," because it isn't going to work. Ethan could have been used to find out answers and whatnot. Plus Ethan was cool and just trying to rid us of Charlie. He saw the nuisance inside of him, he was doing us a favor. And it would have worked if Jack would have just gave up.

I could come up with 100 different reasons why Charlie is useless and has not contributed to their survival, much less contributed to help Claire.

Nika-3, Haters-0 :D

[Charlie=Wanker]

You are so right, Nika. Charlie hasn't made any useful contributions at all. Charlie fans try to claim that Charlie got Aaron back from Danielle, but he did not. Sayid did that. All Charlie did was slow Sayid down. Charlie fans talk about how he got Jack out of the cave. But why was Jack trapped in the cave in the first place? Oh yeah, because of Charlie. So Charlie cleaned up a mess that he himself made. What a swell guy! And yeah, he shot Ethan...after Ethan had already been subdued by Jack and was being held at gunpoint by several people. Wow! That's just so special. :rolleyes:

Then there was the gun con. The kicker for me was at the end when he acted all shocked about how Sawyer could have conceived such a plot. He's like "what kind of person would think of this?" or something. Um...what kind of a person would participate in said plot in order to get some half-assed revenge on a man who punched him for kidnapping a baby? I guess his own depraved behavior in that situation escaped his notice. :rolleyes:

[illyriaburkle]

Also, to add to Nika's wonderful ranting, I'd just like to say that Charlie didn't actually help Claire with Aaron in The Greater Good after the baby was born. He took Aaron away so Claire could sleep, then wandered around half the goddamn island until Sawyer calmed him down. That's right, Sawyer, not Charlie. Because Aaron didn't like Charlie, he liked Sawyer. :rolleyes: Baby's got damned good taste; must've been foreshadowing. :giggle:

[nightskiesfading]

I loved it how Charlie told Ana "Last time you held a gun you killed someone"

Um...buddy...last time they let you hold a gun....you did too

[NikaChan]

I guess his own depraved behavior in that situation escaped his notice.

Good that you brought that up, because Charlie doesn't pay attention to his own behavior. So he goes around oblivious, even after he's done something wrong or unjust.


I loved it how Charlie told Ana "Last time you held a gun you killed someone"

Um...buddy...last time they let you hold a gun....you did too


Hypocrit! Another reason why I dislike Charlie.


Score one for ConMama then! Well, score several points because Sawyer has not been snippy with Claire like he has the other people. I think Sawyer likes to have Aaron around. He lurves the baby to death, just doesn't want to admit it. :giggle:

Yeah, I love Coake to death, but ConMama is cute as well. :D

[illyriaburkle]

All of the other men on the island are nice to Claire. Sure, they may not be around tons, but Claire does not need a man to fulfill her life, she's a 'modern woman'.

Charlie? Not so nice unless he's getting his way. Otherwise he's all like: "ZOMG, GET BACK TO BED CLAIRE, YOU'RE SO IRRESPONSIBLE, YOU'RE NOT FIT TO BE A MOTHER, KTHXBI!!!" Great guy to be around. :rolleyes:

[Mighty_Squid]

*puts on bullet proof vest before posting* hi guyz... okay, please don't kill me but i'm a pb&jer
But i'm not here to tell you that what you are doing is wrong.

i just wanna ask you and i'm not trying to start an argument or have a go at anyone, i just wanna know, are you doning this because you love claire, hate charlie or both?

*runs for cover*

I have to be honest and say I ship Coake more for Locke's sake than Claires. Of all the woman on the island she's the best for him and I truly think there is a bond there.

As for Charlie, I don't hate him. I hate what he's DONE.

The only person who is at fault for Charlie''s actions and misfortunes is Charlie.

[Ninjapumpkin]

I definately don't hate Charlie. In fact I quite like him when he's AWAY from Claire. But that's not even the issue here, I think it's safe to say we all knew PB&J were gonna come back into the picture at some point, it's just the way they handled it.

[-Luana-]

I Hate Charlie full stop. He's so annoying, and all of our cult ships are definately better for Claire than charlie is :nod:

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Nika pretty much summed up my feelings on the matter but I'm still going to copy and paste what I wrote about it in the Claire forum:


That kiss was just poor writing. After all Charlie has done in this season alone-lie to Claire's face about the drugs, kidnap Aaron twice, set a fire that could have killed/injured people, attacking Sun just to make Locke seem stupid, acting like a child toward Locke (who tried to help him)...after being an absolute ass all season he gets rewarded with a kiss? It just doesn't make sense. Does Claire forget all of these things (granted she doesn't know about the Sun thing yet)? It just makes her look like a lovesick teenage girl. I thought the whole reason she kicked Charlie to the curb was to protect her son. But then she goes and makes nice with him when he has done nothing to make it up to her or win back her trust? It makes Claire seem like an irresponsible mother, which we all know she is not.


Oh, and to answer the question (love Claire or hate Charlie)...it's both. And even though I hate Charlie, the kiss wouldn't have bothered me so much if Charlie had actually attempted to redeem himself. And if it hadn't occured at such a strange moment. So again, copying and pasting my thoughts from the Claire forum:

Exactly. I wouldn't have had a problem with the kiss either if it hadn't been so rushed. I mean, it's only been 1-2 weeks island time since Charlie's actions from Fire + Water. That's what most of us have a problem with. I'm sorry but no responsible mother who loved her child would just kiss the man who repeatedly kidnapped her son. And we all know that Claire loves Aaron, which is why I really don't understand the kiss.

[NikaChan]

I thought the whole reason she kicked Charlie to the curb was to protect her son. But then she goes and makes nice with him when he has done nothing to make it up to her or win back her trust? It makes Claire seem like an irresponsible mother, which we all know she is not.


Exactly! Now I suppose she doesn't care much about her son if she's kissing Charlie. We know the real Claire is there, somewhere, and she would never kiss Charlie. Not a week later after all he had done. :no:

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

The electromagnetic thingy must have messed with her head or something...that's really what I'm hoping for.

[Mighty_Squid]

Well, I joined The Tail Section and posted it there.

We'll see if anything happens.

http://www.thetailsection.com/forums/characters/3734-save-claire-petition.html

[tabjai]

I signed the petition, Squid ;) although I signed as Tabjai, not my name... :shifty:

Save Claire! :w00t:

[Hatsumomo]

I just don't think that Claire is acting like herself. Back in episode 1.10, she was reluctant to be Charlie's friend even after he had given her no reason to distrust him. Now in Season 2, he kidnaps her child, and she finds heroin in his things...and then she kisses him? It's not the Claire I knew and loved. The old Claire would have kicked him to the curb, and kept him there.

[MyFav]

The thing that is funny is that I don't ship anyone and I am mad the way they wrote the kiss into the story without any real reason for it. I don't hide that I don't like Charlie but my dislike for him isn't the real reason I signed the petition. It was about everything being unrealistic and that hurt Claires' character in my eyes. I give reasons for the way I feel about the subject.

But for the last few days I have been getting private messages from people that say "Charlie rules" or " Charlie is cute and great for Claire" but nobody gives a good reason or even go to his debate threads. Has anyone else been getting any of these Private Messages?

[Gabs]

:blank: That's lame. I haven't gotten any, but then I don't really expect that I would. :rolleyes: Has anyone else gotten that?

And MyFav, even being ship free, I'm glad you hang out in here with us.

[NikaChan]

But for the last few days I have been getting private messages from people that say "Charlie rules" or " Charlie is cute and great for Claire" but nobody gives a good reason or even go to his debate threads. Has anyone else been getting any of these Private Messages?

Nope, haven't had any of those. If I do get one of those, I'm going to be pretty ticked.

[tabjai]

I never gotten a Pm like that... I don't hate Charlie too much but I wouldn't like a PM like that. I used to receive a lot of PM spam though :blank:.

[MyFav]

:blank: That's lame. I haven't gotten any, but then I don't really expect that I would. :rolleyes: Has anyone else gotten that?

And MyFav, even being ship free, I'm glad you hang out in here with us.
Thank you. I enjoy being in here. And reading all the different posts.

[Mighty_Squid]

No one PMs me!

I don't feel loved!

:p

[NikaChan]

Awww!

You don't need PM's to feel loved! Especially if they are PM's that make you angry. lol!

[AsHLeE]

I haven't gotten any PM's... then again I don't have a 'Claire Cult Ship Collective' banner. Could possibly be why. If I got PM's saying stuff I'd just reply, calmly and tell them they have their opinions just liek I have mine.

And my opinion is:

I really don't like Charlie, just becuase he;'s so annoying, and is far to attached to Claire, like honestly, if he was really old, he'd be like thr guy in One Hour Photo with all these photo's of her everywhere, and stalking her *shudder* creepy! Don't get me wrong, I love Dom Monoghan (spelling?) I just hate Charlie and I think Claire deserves better.

[i_eat_tissues]

*thanks god that the claire cult didn't kill me* thanks guys... umm... i can't say that i liked all i read :( but if i don't like what i read HERE is definantely NOT the place to complain about it. lol. :D

btw. just like to point out the question was 'do you hate charlie' not 'why do you hate charlie' so those 2 pages of ranting were uneccisary (sp?)... but meh... if it made you feel better.

but... i must say... you guys do put up a good argument. if i were claire, i would've stayed away from any possible druggies baby or no baby. hmm... *strokes luxurious beard* i think you MIGHT of converted me. *squeels!!!* :p I STILL LOVE CHARLIE. but i must agree, he's not really right for her...

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

^ First of all, I just wanted to say Thank You for coming to this thread and being mature and not all OMGCHARLIEANDCLAIRE *squee*...

Secondly, we may have converted you? Sweet!:D


Oh, and I haven't gotten any PMs either. I would probably just delete them if I did.

[AliCat]

btw. just like to point out the question was 'do you hate charlie' not 'why do you hate charlie' so those 2 pages of ranting were uneccisary (sp?)... but meh... if it made you feel better.

I haven't posted much in this thread in the last couple of days, but I feel the need to answer this. :D

The whole point of this thread is for the cult shippers to get out their frustrations over the untimeliness of the PB&J kiss. All of us in here like Claire. We ship Claire with guys we like. We are not a PB&J club, therefore there's going to be a lot of Charlie bashing in here. It's for cult shippers to air their frustrations over the direction Claire and our ships are going. There's going to be pages of ranting whether or not you had asked that question because that's what this is here for.

I love Dom. I have adored him for a long time; but me hating the character of Charlie doesn't make me a "bad person" any more than me liking the character of Merry in LOTR makes me a "good person". Everyone has a character on the show that they like the least, and for me, it's Charlie. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with us wanting a place where we can gather to talk about how we like to see Claire shipped with X, as long as X isn't Charlie, because Charlie is this and Charlie is that. Every ship has their own place to rant and feel comfortable ranting without worrying about how so-and-so is going to react; we have the shipper conducts to keep us all safe from shipper-bashing. As long as we stay in here or the appropriate threads, we're not in the wrong.

What makes this different from the "Charlie Hate" thread? Not everyone in here DOES hate Charlie. We just don't necessarily feel that PB&J is happening at the time that's best for Claire's character or in a way that strengthens the show. The kiss, in our humble opinions, was out of place and bizarre given the circumstances around it. People have disappeared, possibly died, lives hang in the balance -- this is not the time to take a giggly fireside smooch.

Up until the last couple of episodes of season 2, Claire had been portrayed as strong, independent, resourceful... What happened to make her decide to kiss the man who had kidnapped her child, endangered the camp, and murdered someone who could have provided answers to the camp leaders? A week has passed since her child was held over the water by an unstable man, and now she's kissing that unstable man? It's a cruel, sharp blow to her characterization. It doesn't add up. It wouldn't add up if she liked him, admired him, loved him -- regardless of what the PB&J official party line on the kiss tells us.

"Love covers over a multitude of sins" is one of my favorite sayings. But speaking as a mother -- one who was a single mother for four years, in the exact same "abandoned" situation that Claire was in (minus the Island, of course) -- you do not kiss your child's kidnapper. Period. It doesn't matter if he kidnapped the baby to get it off the Island to see a doctor -- it doesn't matter. As a mom, you do not take my child away from me without my permission. You do not set a fire to distract the "police" and then run up and snatch a child, hold it out over the ocean (where it's quite possible you could lose your footing and drown that baby) under some misguided assumption that you know better for my child than I do.

I see a lot of people excusing or downplaying Charlie's dangerous actions. I see people saying, "why can't you let it go?" Because, regardless of the unrealistic nature of Lost, it is based on reality enough that, again, as a mom, I cannot forgive kidnapping. I can't excuse dangerous drug use or hording drugs around a baby. I can't fathom the type of person who agrees to a plot to kidnap a woman in order to appease his own feelings of inferiority. Sun was HURT. Sun was PREGNANT. I can't overlook that any more than I overlook the imaginary peanut butter. It's cute, but it doesn't seal up any wounds.

And it doesn't make Charlie a decent candidate for the affection Claire showed him in the finale. Nothing he's done redeems him enough to put him in a father-figure role for Aaron or the significant-other role for Claire. He's dangerous and unstable -- he has not accepted his own responsibilities and mistakes -- he blames and blames but never acknowledges his own failures. What sort of man is that, that won't accept his faults and take the blame for his own actions? In my opinion, he's not the best man out there for Claire and Aaron.

And THAT is what all the ranting (and this thread) is about. :D

[Denmarkien]

If she dosen't want him, she can give me the hobbit ;)
no... I like claire and the hobbit!

[Mighty_Squid]

*claps wildly at Ali's rant*


If she dosen't want him, she can give me the hobbit ;)
no... I like claire and the hobbit!

Hey, if you don't have a kid it may be a good idea.

I'll take Locke.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Ali, I <3 you....I couldn't have said it any better.

[MasterMinion]

hear, hear, ali!!! :w00t:

[Gabs]

:thud:

Ali is Love.

[Mighty_Squid]

I had a thought on further mobilization.

I'd like to write Ask Assiello, That Kristin chick, whoever writes the EW reviews, and other press people to either sign the petition, make an official statement in an e-mail about the petition or better yet write about the petition on thier columns.

Sound like a plan?

I'll do it if you guys help me write it.

Also I need contact info if anyone has it.

[nightskiesfading]

*loves Ali* That was perfectly said!

I love Dom, really, but Charlie is my least favorite character and everyone has one of those and everyone has a place to talk about it. To me, this has nothing to do with if Claire is going to end up with him or not..I don't want it...but if the ship has to come back I want it to be at a time where Claire's character is not damaged.

She's been portrayed as a strong, independant single mothers and I really love those kinds of characters because thats who my mom was as I was growing up, I could relate to Claire - now all that is out the window if she is going to get back with the man who lied, kidnapped her child, scared her to death, and set fire to camp. Then there's the stuff he hasn't even told her like when he childishly got back at Locke by attacking Sun. For Claire to take him back after a week is absoloutely wrong.

That is our petition, what we started it for. All of us here love Claire for different reasons, and we all ship her with people we feel best - if you've seen there are people in here who don't ship her with anyone but they want to see her character written well. I can say that you, me, and hopefully every Claire fan on this board doesn't want to see her character become someone she isn't - and I thought before the finale she strong, caring mother who would not take back someone who did these things to her so quickly.

Maybe there's a reason for it, maybe the kiss was put in there to further the vaccine storyline or something with the electromagnetic wave that's messed her up, maybe they want to explain something in her past that makes her drawn into these kind of relationships - okay then when that's explained I think we'll all feel a little cheated but I want to see Claire stay who shes.

I'm sorry if what's said in here angers you, but this is our place to talk, and you're welcome to join in at points you agree.

[Mighty_Squid]

elfdream,

Perhaps I need to start a debate on the subject but here is not the place since this is considered a "ship". It's the same reason we don't go into the c/c subforum and start arguing there because that would be wrong.

They have their safe haven and we have ours.

Perhaps the petition thead in Claire forum may be more appropriate or feel free to start your own thread either in the Claire forum or the Charlie forum. You may want to copy and paste your post there (it's a good one) before a mod comes by.

:)

ETA:

Made one.

YOU CAN DEBATE THIS AT THE DEBATE THREAD (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=41788) NOT HERE.


ETA2.

Never mind you deleted your post. :)

[elfdream]

I was afraid it might come across as debating FOR Charlie when that wasn't really what I wanted to do but it was kind of hard to do what I wanted to do without it sounding like that. :p So sorry if it came across like that. I can delete the post if you like.

The point of it all being is that the writers ARE Shortchanging Claire. We don't know what is in her head, we don't know what is motivating her. She doesn't interact with the other characters enough. She has a lot of potential to be a great character but she is being left on the sidelines. I would like to see her developed more, do more...be shown to 'grow' more on the show.

[_Erica_]

OH NO O_O Do we really have to go through this AGAIN? Please no... I swear if now someone will bring EthanTheBadGuy into this thread I'll start screaming :eh: ClaireInTheCave- Style :nod:


One question though..if Charlie did something that really and truly made up for everything...and then Claire saw he was really sorry would you be angry if she forgave him then? Just curious.

Angry? NO, if forgiving doesn't stand for hooking up with him :nod:

That was just pointless ranting provided by annoyed EET, don't mind me, carry on :rolleyes:


PS.
There was no such thing like C\C kiss :shifty: It was all in hobbit's head - like new brand of imaginary peanut butter

[Brea]

I've determined that I no longer like PB&J. Like the rest of you, I thought the kiss was completely out of left field. I feel that it's much too soon after the babynapping/drug issues for Claire to consider starting a relationship with Charlie. As a mother, I was appalled. My thoughts on the matter are pretty much the same as AliCat's (excellent post, AliCat). I will sign the petition.

So I'm still trying to decide which Claire cult ship I like best. Any of you ladies (and gentlemen, if there are any) want to tell me which is best and the reasons why?

[Gabs]

I'm a bit hesitant to have a 'this ship is best because...' discussion in here, cause I don't want to see our lovely cult community turn on each other. :shifty: In the end, they're all better than Charlie anyway. :nod: I personally prefer Coake over the rest, but I have a soft spot for ConMama, and Daire could be interesting too.

[Heather]

that kiss really just made no sense, I mean for crying out loud, when Aaron got kidnapped and Charlie went to go get him (notice how I didn't say he saved him, cause we all know Sayid did) she gave him a hug, but like a week after HE kidnaps the baby she kisses him for no reason??

I agree with Gabs, no cult ship of Claire's is better than the other :) They are all equally wonderful..and why is that...because they get Claire AWAY from Charlie, lol. I'm obviously a Daire shipper but I worship ConMama too, LOL.

[Brea]

Oh sorry, I don't want to start a feud amongst the Claire cult shippers. I do like the idea of Desmond/Claire. I also think Claire/Locke could be interesting.

[AliCat]

I've determined that I no longer like PB&J. Like the rest of you, I thought the kiss was completely out of left field. I feel that it's much too soon after the babynapping/drug issues for Claire to consider starting a relationship with Charlie. As a mother, I was appalled. My thoughts on the matter are pretty much the same as AliCat's (excellent post, AliCat). I will sign the petition.

So I'm still trying to decide which Claire cult ship I like best. Any of you ladies (and gentlemen, if there are any) want to tell me which is best and the reasons why?
Thanks, Brea. I think it's easy to overlook some of Charlie's antics if you're not a parent; it's unfortunate that so much of that fanbase is so young. When they've been through the sacrifices of parenthood, I think the thinking will change a lot.

As far as who's "best" for Claire: Like Gabs, I don't want to say, "Oooh, pick this, pick this!" because that's not ultimately what this thread is for. I'd advise spending some time thinking about what you think Claire needs/deserves. If it's commitment and maturity, I'd go with Locke. Excitement and sexiness? Sawyer, definitely. Absolute craziness? Then EClaire is for you. :p (Yes, it's a *joke* ship.) Desmond is sexy, there's no denying it; he's older and has life experience to share, I'd bet, but I don't know enough about him to say Daire for sure. But you gotta admit, those accents together are sexy. :D

[nightskiesfading]

I'm a Coake shipper, but I love the unification here against our one common goal! :grouphug:

Welcome to our collective here, Brea, glad to see some people from PB&J noticing what we are, and I look forward to hearing more parents like you and Ali speak out, because you have a good point of view on the subject.

[Heather]

Desmond is sexy, there's no denying it; he's older and has life experience to share, I'd bet, but... But you gotta admit, those accents together are sexy. :D

Amen to that sista!! LOL

[_Erica_]

I'm a bit hesitant to have a 'this ship is best because...' discussion in here, cause I don't want to see our lovely cult community turn on each other. :shifty: In the end, they're all better than Charlie anyway. :nod: I personally prefer Coake over the rest, but I have a soft spot for ConMama, and Daire could be interesting too.


Tell me you just accidently forgot to type EClaire in there :shifty:

[Mighty_Squid]

I ship Coake and EClaire.

I too have a soft spot for ConMamma. PITAchic got to me. I blame her fanfic. Jaire would certainatly interesting regardless of the possible sibling thing. Blaire would have been great. I really liked the Daire scene in the finale.

I'd just like Claire to be happy and with someone who can really care for her and her child in the best manner possible.

:D

[NikaChan]

I personally prefer Coake over the rest, but I have a soft spot for ConMama, and Daire could be interesting too.


I heart Coake. But I like ConMama and Daire as well. Daire is my newest because it's just too cute. Also EClaire is great as well. Can't forget about EClaire, that would be sinning. :p

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

I absolutely love ConMama but I have a soft spot for Cleko. Not many people ship Claire and Eko together because he's a priest and I don't think they've shared a scene since F+W but I just love them. He is this big, muscly, hot man and she's so tiny and adorable. I heart Cleko. But I also like Jaire, Blaire, EClaire and hell even Coake. So pretty much any Claire ship except for PB&J:D

[sweetheart]

I signed the petition. Mostly because I think Claire deserves someone better.

[NikaChan]

Claire/Sayid is a cute ship, but I all ready have someone that I ship with Sayid. :p

I don't think I could see Claire with Michael or Jin, just because I love Jun and Michael...he's a bit odd. He has some issues he needs to work out.

[illyriaburkle]

Er, let's see I like Coake, Daire, Blaire, ConMama, EClaire, Jaire, Clayid...basically as long as Claire is AWAY from Charlie, I'm happy. :giggle: And I've written for all of those pairings excepting Clayid too. :giggle:

Er, anyway, Squiddy's idea a page back about contacting the press sounds good. Have you checked their websites? :)

[Mighty_Squid]

Er, anyway, Squiddy's idea a page back about contacting the press sounds good. Have you checked their websites? :)

I'm at work so not yet.

Any ideas or info people have would be great.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

Okay, I've gathered some ways to contact people.

TV Guide: We could write to the 'You Tell Us' secton of the TV Guide. It's the part where people complain/praise their favorite shows and stuff. You can write them at letters@tvguide.com

Matt Roush at TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/askmatt/

Kristin: I couldn't find an actual address but you can send in questions for her here http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Ask/index.html


I'll look for some more....

[Charlie=Wanker]

Hiya Brea! Welcome! I enjoyed your parodies in the Skate forum. You should definitely post some more. Anyway, glad to have you here with us. :hug:

I ship Coake, as you can see by my banner, and I also like Daire and EClaire. Even though I'm a Skater, I like ConMama too mainly because of some really great fics I've read. I had never thought of Clayid until I read a fic where Sayid and Shannon had a baby, but Shannon died so Claire had to help take care of the Shayid baby. It was a long time ago, but I think it was at fanfiction.net. Has anyone else read that story? Anyway, it could have the potential to be a cute pairing...but it's not one of my main Claire ships.

And thanks for the contact info, Maria.

[PITAchic]

I too have a soft spot for ConMamma. PITAchic got to me. I blame her fanfic.
Yes! I'm finally getting blamed for something worthwhile! :w00t:

:giggle: Hey Brea!

I'm ConMama all the way!!! (As if you couldn't tell ;) ) I don't really ship her with anyone else, but I would take anyone over Charlie any day (at this point, I'd say Coake is most probable).

And Ali, you owned the thread with your post :hug: I wish all the PB&Jers out there would read that; it's very heartfelt and so true :nod:

BTW, all you people that say you like ConMama and aren't on the list yet.... I'm watching you :shifty: *cough*ClickConMamaConverterInMySig*cough*

[NikaChan]

BTW, all you people that say you like ConMama and aren't on the list yet.... I'm watching you *cough*ClickConMamaConverterInMySig*cough*



I think I'm signed up on the ConMama list. I'm pretty sure I am...heehee! If not, I'll make sure I sign. :p

[Brea]

You ladies are all so nice. Sawyer and Claire would certainly make a beautiful couple, that's for sure. I can't decide which I like best. I guess I don't really have to decide on one. As you all say, anyone is better than Charlie. :)

[AliCat]

You ladies are all so nice. Sawyer and Claire would certainly make a beautiful couple, that's for sure. I can't decide which I like best. I guess I don't really have to decide on one. As you all say, anyone is better than Charlie. :)
Well, I sure didn't. :giggle:

I started off as a season 1 hardcore PB&Jer. I think a lot of us did. It wasn't until I came to LF that I saw that you didn't have to toe the party line (so to speak). I fell in love with the idea of ConMama after reading one of mrstater's stories. I actually wrote my longest fic in years as a ConMama story.

I've loved Locke for a long time, and Claire (being the earthy single-mom that I used to be) was the most attractive woman on the island to me. So when I ran across the Coake thread, I joined. (Well, actually, I lurked for a long time, then I joined.) There's a good group of writers in Coake as well. :nod:

I know a lot of people who feel like they have to be "faithful" to their ships and that all their ships have to line up (like they can't ship Jana because they ship Jate, or whatever), but I've never felt that way. I think the biggest joy of cult ships is that you don't have to limit your pairings. You can go with your gut, your heart, or your head (and even your funny bone), and still have fun. :D

And there's always EClaire -- we're full of weirdos. :D There's Coakers, ConMamians, Jaters, Skaters, Junners, Munners, Shayiders, Shooners, you name it, in there. We even have a handful of PB&Jers (although they haven't stopped by much since F+W).

[Gabs]

Who says you have to choose? Join all of us! :D

[AliCat]

Who says you have to choose? Join all of us! :D
:w00t:!

[ehsteve]

you know what, the more i watch the finale, the more i'm actually beginning to like charlie again! i think he genearlly was worried about the safety of eko, desmond and locke (though i dont like the sarcartic conversation with locke about desmond) if he didnt care, he could have just realised what was going to happen and run out of the hatch and let everone die! but he stayed and made sure eko was ok, and only left cause Eko pushed him away

he's still not right for claire though!:p

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

lol, I certainly didn't choose just one Claire ship:D

[MyFav]

Not me. I finally got to watch the episode again and I still see the same thing. But it seemed more mean the second time. It seemed like he didn't know what happened at first to Locke and Eko. And then he seen Claire and it was like Locke and Eko never returned and an idea came to him. He seemed to get the same smile that he had when he seen Locke in the jungle and when he told Eko to get his own stuff. But that is just what I seen today.

[Heather]

I think that Charlie is up to something for sure, and even if he is not, she should still not be with him. Honestly Charlie didn't seem all that concerned with the others fate, it was like when he saw Claire he just ignored what had happend and kept joking about it, which I found odd, if he was generally concerned why didn't he go back?

Also I was really bored in case you can't tell so I thought I'd make some banners

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/phattycat3/Lost/cultshipcollective.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/phattycat3/Lost/napolean.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/phattycat3/Lost/runt.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/phattycat3/Lost/united.jpg

[Brea]

Thanks guys. You all seem like such a fun bunch. I'm glad there are others that see the possibilities in various pairings. I know some people act as though you're a traitor if you are a Jater, for example, but also think Jack and/or Kate would be good with other characters as well. I've not really encountered much of that on this board so far, but it was terrible on another board at which I used to post. It got to be so unfriendly with the wars between shippers and people being just hateful to each other simply because they were opposing shippers. Everyone here has been really great. I'm glad I found this group. :)

Heather, those banners are lovely. May I use one?

[Gabs]

Love them, Heather! Especially the 'one common goal' banner. :D

[NikaChan]

I started off as a season 1 hardcore PB&Jer. I think a lot of us did.


*gasp*

Not me! I never liked the pairing. I liked ConMama before I liked Coake believe it or not. I was at the "Pit,"...fanfiction.net and read a couple of ConMama stories. But then my one friend Megan is a Lost fanatic. So we were talking about couples and how fanon is better than canon. To make a long story short, she said Locke and Claire and I was a bit confused by it, but then I wrote my first story with them having a minor part and I fell in love. I was hooked and that's the end of that.

But I think I narrowed my picks for Claire. I was giving it some thought because I really don't have an actual top five, it's unorganized till now. So here goes.

1. Coake
2. Daire
3. ConMama
4. EClaire

I don't have a fifth. Yeah, poor ConMama, Daire just crept up and took that position. I have no control over it. :giggle:

[illyriaburkle]

Heather, those banners are gorgeous (as usual :giggle:).

[Heather]

of course you can use one Brea, they are for everyone to use :)

And thanks Gabs and Jess!

Nika, I understand the creeping up of Daire, I mean ConMama has always been my OTP, but at the moment Daire is kicking its butt (doesn't mean I still don't worship ConMama, and if I saw a chance it might be right at the top again, lol). When it comes to Claire I basically ship her with everyone but Charlie. I'm like AliCat I've never been one that can ship one person with two people or more. Like I ship Skate/ConMama, Claire and well...see below, LOL. etc etc.

Here are my top Claire Cult Ships:

1.) Daire
2.) ConMama
3.) Sayid/Claire
4.) Coake
5.) Jaire- unless they really are related, LOL

[Brea]

Thanks Heather. I think I'll use the "one common goal" banner. That one is too funny. :)

I have noticed several of you have written fics in the creative section. Do you guys have any recs for what I should read first? I'll have to start reading some later tonight.

[Gabs]

Maybe we need a CCSC multimedia thread so we have easy access to all the ClaireCult fics/vids/arts...

[PITAchic]

I don't think Daire would be bad, but I think the only reason I don't ship them is because I :heart: Desmond and Penny together. And obviously, we know she's alive and looking for him and all that (and whatever other mystery stuff they're gonna throw in there :rolleyes:). I just don't feel the connection between him and Claire. But I'd take it over Charlie in a heartbeat!!!

And great banners, Heather!!! :D

ETA: I like the idea of a multimedia thread, Gabs! :nod:

[illyriaburkle]

Maybe we need a CCSC multimedia thread so we have easy access to all the ClaireCult fics/vids/arts...

Gosh, I'd love that, if just to see exactly how much CultShips!Claire stuff I've made. :giggle: Geez, I've ficced her with half the island and Steve for christsake. :p (or was it Scott? I dunno, lol) :shifty:

[Heather]

first of all I vote YES to the multimedia thread!!!

Meggles, I totally understand what you are saying about Daire. See in my world if I was writing it, Desmond and Claire would be together for now, have some hawt sex, get it on for a while until Sawyer and Kate are done with their thing, see by that time, Penelope will have found Desmond and they'll be together and Claire will get with Sawyer, see I have it ALL worked out, LOL.

[Gabs]

I agree with Megs... love Desmond and Penny, so that kinda gets in the way of me really liking him with Claire. But I'd love to see more interaction with them next season. I'm open to the idea, so if they have chemistry I might go for it.

Desmond is hot. :D

[PITAchic]

Meggles, I totally understand what you are saying about Daire. See in my world if I was writing it, Desmond and Claire would be together for now, have some hawt sex, get it on for a while until Sawyer and Kate are done with their thing, see by that time, Penelope will have found Desmond and they'll be together and Claire will get with Sawyer, see I have it ALL worked out, LOL.
:crackup: That'd work just fine for me!!! I'll have to stop by and read one of your Daire fics when I have time :giggle: You might just convert me yet!

And yeah, I agree, Gabs; I did love their scene, so I'd like to see more interaction as friends, at least. :D Maybe he can drunkenly shoot the hobbit?

[Brea]

I think a multimedia thread is a great idea. It'd be great to have all of the Claire cult shipper stuff in one place, especially for newbs like me. :)

So Daire is more of a "love the one you're with" kind of thing for you, Heather? I have to admit that I did like Desmond/Penelope. That would be the only thing keeping me from shipping Daire wholeheartedly. I can see Daire working in the scenario you envisioned.

[Charlie=Wanker]

I think a multimedia thread is a fantastic idea! :D

[Gabs]

If one of you loons want to start the multimedia thread, go for it. Otherwise, I'll do it tonight when I have time. :D

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

I like the idea of a multimedia thread as well:D


Edit: Does anyone know why the Cleko (Claire/Eko) thread was archived?

Edit 2: I started the multimedia thread. Go crazy!

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=41944

[Mighty_Squid]

Glad to see all the love. Does my bitter heart proud.

I just don't have the strenght to fight anymore.

74 signatures isn't a lot and I'm not sure if I feel like pushing it any further.

I think I love this show a little too much beacuse I am all depressed today.

[tabjai]

Squid, the petition is somehow not working. You cannot go to view or sign it :(. I sigend it, when it worked :giggle:.

[Gabs]

Edit: Does anyone know why the Cleko (Claire/Eko) thread was archived?

Lack of activity. If a thread's been dead for a few months, it goes. I can pull it out if there's interest.

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

^ Thanks Gabs. Is anyone interested in Cleko? Because I would definitely be in the thread if anyone wanted to join.

[juicyfruitgome]

Squid, the petition is somehow not working. You cannot go to view or sign it :(. I sigend it, when it worked :giggle:.

It seems to be working fine now.

[nightskiesfading]

Glad to see all the love. Does my bitter heart proud.

I just don't have the strenght to fight anymore.

74 signatures isn't a lot and I'm not sure if I feel like pushing it any further.

I think I love this show a little too much beacuse I am all depressed today.
Ah don't get down Squid, I really think no matter how many signatures we have - with a good strong compiled argument and the fact that even some C/C fans aren't happy we could say something. And I'm pretty sure we've seen an adding to the signatures every day :nod:

I don't see how ANYONE would want Claire's character assasinated - ship moment or not. I mean I don't like it it was their ship caught in the middle of this and I don't want to take away their ships moment - but it was completely and totally innapropriate.

[NikaChan]

Is anyone interested in Cleko?

I never gave that ship much thought. It's not a bad one, but it's one that I would overlook. I figured Ana would be more the type for Eko. But I think I could see Claire and Eko together.

[i_eat_tissues]

btw guys the question was 'do you hate charlie' not 'why do you hate charlie' so those 2 pages of ranting were unecissary (sp?) but.... meh... if it made you feel better.

I haven't posted much in this thread in the last couple of days, but I feel the need to answer this. :D

The whole point of this thread is for the cult shippers to get out their frustrations over the untimeliness of the PB&J kiss. All of us in here like Claire. We ship Claire with guys we like. We are not a PB&J club, therefore there's going to be a lot of Charlie bashing in here. It's for cult shippers to air their frustrations over the direction Claire and our ships are going. There's going to be pages of ranting whether or not you had asked that question because that's what this is here for.

woooooaaah!!!!!!!!!! ali, all i was saying was that i wasn't asking you to justify why you don't like charlie. i wasn't angry that you said bad things about a character i like. the thing i think you missed was that in my second post i wasn't asking you to stop ranting about charlie. you have your opinions, and so do i. i know here is not the place to tell you to like charlie and thats why, if you read my post i didn't.

[Gabs]

She's not saying you did. But you said 'the two pages of ranting was unneccessary' like you think it was all in reply to you. Ali pointed out that whether you asked your question or not, there STILL would have been two pages of ranting. People answered your query, and then... we continued with our ranting.

[illyriaburkle]

She's not saying you did. But you said 'the two pages of ranting was unneccessary' like you think it was all in reply to you. Ali pointed out that whether you asked your question or not, there STILL would have been two pages of ranting. People answered your query, and then... we continued with our ranting.

*nods in agreeance* Cos that's what we do, we rant. 'Tis fun. :giggle:

[Remus Lupin]

I signed your petition, Squiddy! 76 signatures now. I'll do my best to get more signatures. Also I'll put a link in my sig for this!

[peanut_butter_kisses04]

I never gave that ship much thought. It's not a bad one, but it's one that I would overlook. I figured Ana would be more the type for Eko. But I think I could see Claire and Eko together.


I really enjoyed the scenes they had in 23 Psalm and F+W. I just saw something there...