Did he push the button or NOT?!?!!?

[iLLiCiT]

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!11one, what do ya'll think. I personally think he's lying and he DID push it....

[SeattleSekhmet]

I think he did but likes messing with Locke. I think he knows what will happen if the numbers aren't entered and doesn't want that to happen. Remember when the time elapsed before, and entering the numbers still worked? Somehow he (Henry) knew that.

[Wheemer]

there simply was not enough time for him to have pushed it and got back in time...

he did not push anything. if the lockdown happened because of the supply drop, then I think that during a lockdown, the system will reset.

[buggy]

I don't think he entered the numbers. Maybe this is a bit ridiculous, depending on how accurately produced the moment was, but at the point the alarm stops sounding (time runs out) you can hear the sound of the countdown timer display flicking through its digits rapidly (like what happened previously when Locke (iirc) saw the red shapes))... followed by sounds of all the machinery whirring up, then the lights go out, machinery whirs down to silence, and the numbers stop flicking over. At this point the U.V. lighting comes on.

The numbers halting flicking over happens at 35m 47s on the recording I have here. After the U.V. lighting event ends the doors finally raise and Locke crawls his way into the computer room where he looks at the timer on the wall which just happens to be flicking down from 108:00 to 107:00 at this very moment. So this means the timer must have been reset 60 seconds prior to Locke seeing it. The length of time between the end of the timer alarm finishing sounding/timer flicking over/machinery whirring up&down/etc works out to longer than 60 seconds here, actually 74 (if measuring time from when the timer audibly stopped flicking over) to 84 seconds (from the moment the alarm stopped sounding prior to the machinery firing up).

So, supposing for a moment that the time issue here isn't just a quirk of the actual filming of the scene (e.g. it's not supposed to be THAT accurate ;)), and that the timer on the wall does actually take 60 seconds to move from 108:00 to 107:00, Henry couldn't have reset the timer before things went haywire because too much time passed. heh :P

Oh, this >60 length of time also doesn't take into account a potential brief fast-forwarding of time (by the film editors) from the moment Locke starts to crawl into the computer room to actually arriving there (seems like the scene skips at least a few seconds here for this journey to occur).

So, no, I don't reckon Henry did enter the numbers... at least certainly not before the caesar salad started hitting the fan, and therefore is telling the truth about it. Of course, though, this is just a dumb television program where literally ANYTHING can be made to happen and the viewers are just supposed to accept it, so there's always gonna be the possibility Henry is 'proven' to be lying later on in the series... :P

[superduperdude]

Wow. I thought that I loved Lost, but you people are just all over this thing. Good job buggy.

I don't think that Fake Henry entered the numbers. I believe the Others = DHARMA scientists. Therefore, they know that the Swan hatch is a behavior experiement to see if people would continue to enter the numbers every 108 minutes or the world "ends." Honestly, if you were stuck on that island and saw some of the things that the Losties saw before getting into the hatch, wouldn't you enter the numbers? I probably would. Then again, I'm a little into anarchy, so I probably wouldn't press it just to end the world.

[HunterOfTheNight]

Nah i don't think he entered the numbers. I havn't got much to say on this subject but i just don't think he did. I think he saw something else though when at the computer, like i dunno summat like Locke saw.

[Mithrandir]

I have no idea. I just can't figure that guy out :confused:

[Bulldozer]

Forgive me if this has already been said, but he sure memorized the numbers real fast... My mom and I tried it and couldn't memorize it that fast. Maybe that's just us... But could this possibly indicate that he already /knew/ the numbers in the first place?

[mazaarin]

Its fenry allright, so yeah. I think he is a big lier, "Im done lying" haha, NO WAY...

Bulldozer: Yes, he already knew them, becaouse he is one of them.

[Cyberboi]

Forgive me if this has already been said, but he sure memorized the numbers real fast... My mom and I tried it and couldn't memorize it that fast. Maybe that's just us... But could this possibly indicate that he already /knew/ the numbers in the first place?

No, the numbers are posted on the monitor.

[Anahana]

there simply was not enough time for him to have pushed it and got back in time...

he did not push anything. if the lockdown happened because of the supply drop, then I think that during a lockdown, the system will reset.

I agree... and the idea of the lockdown causing the system to reset automatically makes sense as a failsafe measure.

[PARANOID]

I have a crackpot theory. He (Henry) goes into the room and IMs his buddies in another hatch and tells them to stop the lockdown. =P

[rya86n]

I agree... and the idea of the lockdown causing the system to reset automatically makes sense as a failsafe measure.

I agree too. But surely theres a way to trigger a lockdown, or at least drop the blast doors, manually.

[Anahana]

I agree too. But surely theres a way to trigger a lockdown, or at least drop the blast doors, manually.
I agree completely! Of course, it would help if Locke would actually tell someone what he saw which would undoubtedly lead to them trying to find a way to close them manually. It would be the sensible thing to do. :giggle:

[Vashner]

Fake Henry is such a liar... I would not belive a word he said.

[HaveANiceDay05]

I think he did but likes messing with Locke. I think he knows what will happen if the numbers aren't entered and doesn't want that to happen. Remember when the time elapsed before, and entering the numbers still worked? Somehow he (Henry) knew that.

that sounds good, but why would poser Henry tell Locke he didn't push the button, if it needs to be pushed? If it needs to be pushed, wouldn't he tell Locke it needs to be pushed. Because if it needs to be pushed, and Locke is clearly starting to give up on the pushing the button thing, then poser Henry didn't make a wise desicion to lie to Locke. I do think that he's messing with Locke, but I believe he didn't enter the numbers, thus meaning that it doesn't matter if the numbers are entered or not.

[whintersby]

Personally I thought the directors were trying to make the audience think Henry DID push the button and is telling Locke he didn't to make him question his faith in the whole button-pushing farce.

The main reason for me thinking this is simply the shot in the last episode where Locke is banging on the door asking whether he pushed the button or not. Henry was sat there with the biggest cheshire cat grin on his face as he knew what he had said managed to wind Locke up - just like he did with the whole "why do you let the docter make the decisions" comment which locke immediately (and stupidly) reacted to by pushing al the crockery off the workspace.

Henry is trying to get to Locke thats all...

[HunterOfTheNight]

Henry trying to get to Locke because he didnt really stop the losties from doing anything to him like Locke promised....?

[Bucephalus]

Henry trying to get to Locke because he didnt really stop the losties from doing anything to him like Locke promised....?

Thats a bit ridiculous, he has been trying to undermine Locke right from the beginning, if anything he would take Locke's side because he's the only one being half-way decent to him.
If entering the numbers is important then Gale would certainly enter them as he clearly knows what is going on, "not even God could find this island" etc. He would know the outcome and wouldn't be so stupid as to try and jepordise it.
However if entering the numbers is just a psychological test or does not have a particularly important result then it is quite plausible that he's toying with Locke's faith, in fact he may well have been instructed to push the experiment (if thats what it is) a bit further.
It makes more sense that it is a test/unimportant as entering a few numbers into an old computer every 108 minutes to save the world doesn't quite fit for some reason...
A very interesting psychological battle is being waged.

[Speedie]

in fact he may well have been instructed to push the experiment (if thats what it is) a bit further.

That's what I've been thinking all along. Assuming fake Henry got himself captured deliberately, then he must have had a specific reason for it. I think something will happen when the timer is allowed to run down. And I think that at least one of the losties needs to be at the computer at the time to see it. So fake Henry has seized the opportunity given him by the Lock down to work on getting Locke to give up on the button pressing. I think he is there to as you say, push things along. Either that or he has deliberately given the losties the idea of trying to exchange himself for Walt.

[Moya]

I reckon he did push the button and he's messing with Locke's mind. He's lied all along before, why not now? He's been manipulating Locke all along for some reason too. Why not now? Maybe his plan all along was for them not to push the button, that was why he was trying to turn Locke against Jack.

[DaNy_LoaL]

i don't know. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
i don't even know what to think ¬¬

but that smile.. i think it was like "i was lying, you stupid. but i'm not telling that lala".

[Moya]

Yeah, his smile was like "haha, I've got him right where I want him now" Like he wanted Locke to doubt himself or sommert.

[Wesker888]

i dunno.... he was very accurate in what happened after the timer hit zero. i don't know how he can make it all up if we already know half of that stuff (the hieroglyphics and the magnets) is true and he doesn't know about it to begin with.

[beantotherescue]

I dont think he pushed the button...

[Bucephalus]

I dont think he pushed the button...

Care to elaborate.

[Listen to Lenny]

I am leaning toward the idea that he didn't push the button.


The timing seems to be off for him to have pushed the button.
He says, "I'm done lying." which could be lie itself, but it is honestly the first time I have believed a word he has said in any episode.
The timer either must have an auto-safe reset for instances of lockdown OR, as Fenry states, it does nothing in the first place.
I'm not sure that The Others are DHARMA at all. Rather, I think they may be more similar to the Losties, just having been on the island longer and have figured out what was/is going on and that some of what is on the island is either defunct or malfunct.
I still like Jack's explanation from the beginning of the season: "The last time I saw a computer that was going to save the world it didn't look like that."


Anyhow, each of those thoughts have holes in them as well, so it still leaves the possibility that he did in fact push the button.

[beatlebill]

I have a crackpot theory. He (Henry) goes into the room and IMs his buddies in another hatch and tells them to stop the lockdown. =P

I had this thought too. No idea what he would write, though.
Could be that Michael was actually talking to notHenry? That's how he knows about Walt?

[ProphecyBoy]

Oh he SOOOO pushed that button. In my opinion Henry doesn't have a mission or masterplan. He was daft enough to get caught by Rousseau and now he's making it up as he goes along...

[Moya]

I have a crackpot theory. He (Henry) goes into the room and IMs his buddies in another hatch and tells them to stop the lockdown. =P

That's not actually a crackpot theory at all!! I like it!

[Snider]

Now way he pushed the button, why would it be that easy... let slet Locke suffer a little while longer

[Broccoli]

Firstly, before branding everything that passes his lips as a lie, we must take into account what motive he has to lie about not pressing the button.

Assuming he did press it, that would mean that he must have knowledge of the consequences in order to describe them to Locke in such detail. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he also knows the ultimate effect it will have.

If he is willing to make Locke believe that the button is useless, then it must be useless: he is trapped in the hatch, with no way of ensuring that Locke will press the button; he will face the same fate as the losties if failure does have significant consequences.

On the other hand, if he did press it, then what he said is the truth. Therefore failure to press the button has already happened at least once (twice if you count Locke's close shave as a failure) without adverse effects. So far as we can tell, the only immediate events have been the lockdown and the supply drop, neither of which have had any noticeably negative effects so far.

Either way you look at it, failure to press the button will not result in a catastrophe. Therefore, Henry is able to manipulate events however he wishes. This, of course, he uses to his advantage by telling Locke that he didn't press the button, breaking his spirit. Whether he did press the button or not is irrelevant, although I am leaning towards him not pressing it; purely because if he knows it's worthless, why would he bother? In this case, he is telling the truth.

[Listen to Lenny]

Firstly, before branding everything that passes his lips as a lie, we must take into account what motive he has to lie about not pressing the button.

Assuming he did press it, that would mean that he must have knowledge of the consequences in order to describe them to Locke in such detail. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he also knows the ultimate effect it will have.

If he is willing to make Locke believe that the button is useless, then it must be useless: he is trapped in the hatch, with no way of ensuring that Locke will press the button; he will face the same fate as the losties if failure does have significant consequences.

On the other hand, if he did press it, then what he said is the truth. Therefore failure to press the button has already happened at least once (twice if you count Locke's close shave as a failure) without adverse effects. So far as we can tell, the only immediate events have been the lockdown and the supply drop, neither of which have had any noticeably negative effects so far.

Either way you look at it, failure to press the button will not result in a catastrophe. Therefore, Henry is able to manipulate events however he wishes. This, of course, he uses to his advantage by telling Locke that he didn't press the button, breaking his spirit. Whether he did press the button or not is irrelevant, although I am leaning towards him not pressing it; purely because if he knows it's worthless, why would he bother? In this case, he is telling the truth.
Excellent points!

[wastrel]

Broccoli -

Your arguments are incredibly well reasoned with impeccable logic. On the surface, there is no crack to pick at, and it is impossible to deny.

However, where is the fear, the pathos, to make your argument fly with modern Americans? If you want to get your point across, you had better throw something in there about us dying a horrible death unless we believe you. Otherwise, I just cannot bring myself to agree with you. :)

[Genetic]

I think the drop has nothing to do with the lockdown, the map was drawn on the blast doors and it looks like the one who draw it tooked his time...The lockdown lasted seconds...

[Listen to Lenny]

I think the drop has nothing to do with the lockdown, the map was drawn on the blast doors and it looks like the one who draw it tooked his time...The lockdown lasted seconds...
I've been thinking over the same issue, but don't know that I entirely agree with you.

The lockdown did not last seconds, it lasted minutes. The black light only lasted seconds. Therefore this leaves at least these scenarios as possibility.


The drawer(s) of the map blindly drew the map in parts at each lockdown using flourescent material, and would check the drawings for the few seconds that the black light IF the countdown happened to coincide with the lockdown. If the release of the lockdown is not triggered by the resetting of the countdown, but by either a certain duration of time that coincides with the drops or by a signal from the drop aircraft (which would also be what triggers the lockdown), then it is possible for a countdown to have dropped to zero earlier in the lockdown, thus allowing more time with the black light.
The drawer(s) of the map figured out a way to trigger the lockdown automatically. Then the drawer(s) could coordinate a lockdown (which would remain locked down for a certain duration of time) to happen just prior to the countdown reaching zero, perhaps allowing more time with the black light.


Of course, both of these scenarios assume a few things which we certainly don't all know or agree on.


The lockdown is coordinated with the drop.
The end of the lockdown is either timed or triggered by a signal from the aircraft and not related to the countdown resetting.
It was the countdown reaching zero that caused the black light to come on.


My thoughts are incomplete, but that is where I am leaning right now.

[Mr.Guybrush]

I've also been thinking about this a hella lot. This is what i've decided.

To begin with we must assume that the supplies are meant for the Swan station. Due to the image on the Swan station, and the storeroom that appeared very full when we first found the Hatch. It's just plain logical. Therefore if the supplies are for the Swan Station, we need to work out how the Hatchies call for it.

The only thing we have seen which has an outside line for communication has been the computer. But we have not seen the computer do anything odd lately. We did see Locke not press the button quick enough, and the symbols appeared, could it be that triggered the plane to take off? If not, then we must assume that the supplies are dropped every 3 months or so.

Now we understand the supplies, we must now work out why the shutdown happened. This in my opinion is obvious, the supplies were enroute, and it triggered the lockdown. So the Lockdown happened, Henry, climbed down and got the to the computer in time! But he didn't press the button, reason? He wanted Locke to see the map, he knew it was there and wanted to see what Lockes reaction was. He then pressed the right code and opened the doors, either climbing back up into the vent, or ran out before Locke saw him.

Now, one interesting thing we must think about is this, if the map was drawn, it must have been drawn when it was dark. Therefore during Lockdown. So, what i think has happened in the past is this. 1 man would stay in the lockdowned room, while 1 man would run out and collect the supplies. Once the supplies were safely in, and he had taken his meds, he would then type in the right number and open up the doors. That way, you will always have 1 man thats safe and well, and 1 man that goes outside and becomes 'contaminated'.

Thats my theory anyway. Henry did press the button, but pressed it knowing that Locke had seen the map. He then decided to screw with Lockes mind and tell him he never pressed the button. Like dangling a carrot infront of a horse.

[Joan Locke]

I think he didn´t push the button,because hre knew what would happen and he wanted Locke to the map.

[ThewayofFry]

I'm not sure that The Others are DHARMA at all. Rather, I think they may be more similar to the Losties, just having been on the island longer and have figured out what was/is going on and that some of what is on the island is either defunct or malfunct.
You forgetting about Zeke using Dharma brand theatrical glue freind? :)

edit: on the button:

I think the most important thing is Henry's motives.

Sceneario one: He's telling the truth. Henry has told Locke that pressing the button is useless for Locke's sake, because he thought Locke deserved the truth for whatever reason. Basically in this scenario there is nothing in it for Henry, he's just helping Locke for whatever reason.

Scenario two: Not pressing the button benefits Henry in some way. Although he is locked in the hatch and it's hard to forsee any way not pressing the button could help him, it's either that or he's helping Locke.

Now let's say for some reason Henry's group does not want the button to be pushed. They could at any time simply come down to the hatch and tell Desmond to stop, so it's safe to dismiss that.

I can't think of a single effect that not pushing the button could have that would help Henry. His smirk in the armory while Locke was starting to belive Henry showed otherwise. To me, that scene showed he had some motivation to get Locke to stop pushing the button. If it truly did nothing and Locke just found he was wasting his time I see no reason for showing Henry having a smirk as if something's going his way.

[Mr.Guybrush]

I've just had a quick thought. If the supplies were dropped by a plane, how come that didn't come down on the island? It either has a Dharma device that stops it going down, or the original losties flight was tampered with and it was forced on the island on purpose. Would explain the navigation equipment being 'broken' and may explain why the plane split in two in the sky, it was designed to crack and blow up at that point, and was designed to crash on the island. Would be an interesting twist, espically if all the main characters were put in seats that were most propable to survive.

[Havoc]

i probaly would enter the numbers if i was there,

no harm comes from it
and u dont know what happens if u dont

_ Carry on

[Listen to Lenny]

You forgetting about Zeke using Dharma brand theatrical glue freind? :)
Not at all. Yet , you could make the same kind of association as an outsider by noting that all of the losties currently have "Dharma" all over them. They "control" a Dharma hatch, eat Dharma food, even utilize Dharma brand water bottles. They've got Dharma all over them, and yet we know they are not Dharma. I do see that The Others seem much more embedded and at home with the Dharma stuff (for example, they were running the medical bay there at one point), but it is also clear that whatever Dharma is supposed to be, it is clearly not fully functional. I could just see a scenario where The Others are simply castaways that have been there much longer, or perhaps Dharma leftovers.

[cleverdick123]

I thought the others were part of the Dharma initiative, that would mean that they built the bunker, or at least took it over seen as everything in it has Dharma logos on.

The only losties that know that the others might be part of Dharma (seen as the others have been dressing in costume to make it look like they're castaways) are Kate and Claire as they know that Ethan took Claire to a dharma bunker and Kate also knows that they are in costume (although Kate told Jack this in this epi).

So Locke doesn't know that the others are part of Dharma and that they know exactly what the bunker is. That's why Henry can pretend he's never been there before or know what it is.


Does that make sense because I had a really hard time phrasing it :shock:

[cleverdick123]

Not at all. Yet , you could make the same kind of association as an outsider by noting that all of the losties currently have "Dharma" all over them. They "control" a Dharma hatch, eat Dharma food, even utilize Dharma brand water bottles. They've got Dharma all over them, and yet we know they are not Dharma. I do see that The Others seem much more embedded and at home with the Dharma stuff (for example, they were running the medical bay there at one point), but it is also clear that whatever Dharma is supposed to be, it is clearly not fully functional. I could just see a scenario where The Others are simply castaways that have been there much longer, or perhaps Dharma leftovers.


I see what you mean but then why would the others dress like castaways when confronting the losties? The only explanation I can think of is that they're not castaways at all.

[Jamaster14]

I agree... and the idea of the lockdown causing the system to reset automatically makes sense as a failsafe measure.

if they could have the numbers automatically reset then there would be no reason to have somone manual enter the numbers in the first place

[Rach_uk]

if they could have the numbers automatically reset then there would be no reason to have somone manual enter the numbers in the first place

BUT...
if the point of the swan station is a psychological experiment then it doesn't matter if the numbers are entered or not

i personally believe the numbers don't need to entered..
but what was fake Henry doing, because he wasn't in the computer room?

[Corey]

i personally believe the numbers don't need to entered..
Me to.
Rember episode when Shannon sees Walt?And when he talks to her something
If you play backwards you'll hear next:
"Don't push the button,it's bad"

[Ilovelightsticks]

I think Henry knew the risk of not pushing the button, also I think he intended on letting Locke see the diagram on the blast door. Theres just something not right with that CLB!

[Locke815]

Wether or not Henry entered the numbers or not was not my first thought during that scene. I thought "why has Locke let out Henry to raise the door and get to the computer when he (Locke) knows there is a vent in the pantry and he can get through to the computer himself" ?

Mind you, if he had done the obvious he would,nt of gotten trapped and seen the map. :D

[Listen to Lenny]

I see what you mean but then why would the others dress like castaways when confronting the losties? The only explanation I can think of is that they're not castaways at all.
Yah, that is pretty difficult to refute. My theory is crumbling with each post...

[MyFav]

The main reason for the hatch is to push the button. If the button is not important then that means none of the hatches are important. That would mean that the map would not be important. Why would they show us a map that is almost all about the location of the hatches if they are not important? Their would be no point in showing us a map if we know that the hatch is not important.

[Genetic]

I've been thinking over the same issue, but don't know that I entirely agree with you.

The lockdown did not last seconds, it lasted minutes. The black light only lasted seconds. Therefore this leaves at least these scenarios as possibility.

1. The drawer(s) of the map blindly drew the map in parts at each lockdown using flourescent material, and would check the drawings for the few seconds that the black light IF the countdown happened to coincide with the lockdown. If the release of the lockdown is not triggered by the resetting of the countdown, but by either a certain duration of time that coincides with the drops or by a signal from the drop aircraft (which would also be what triggers the lockdown), then it is possible for a countdown to have dropped to zero earlier in the lockdown, thus allowing more time with the black light.
2. The drawer(s) of the map figured out a way to trigger the lockdown automatically. Then the drawer(s) could coordinate a lockdown (which would remain locked down for a certain duration of time) to happen just prior to the countdown reaching zero, perhaps allowing more time with the black light.


Of course, both of these scenarios assume a few things which we certainly don't all know or agree on.

* The lockdown is coordinated with the drop.
* The end of the lockdown is either timed or triggered by a signal from the aircraft and not related to the countdown resetting.
* It was the countdown reaching zero that caused the black light to come on.


My thoughts are incomplete, but that is where I am leaning right now.

But why draw the map on the blast door? There was enough light, even the black light, to do a normal map...Why write the map on the door with such a laborious and slow method...Maybe the lockdown trapped the drawer for more than a while, and used the door as a blackboard...???

[Cyberboi]

Wether or not Henry entered the numbers or not was not my first thought during that scene. I thought "why has Locke let out Henry to raise the door and get to the computer when he (Locke) knows there is a vent in the pantry and he can get through to the computer himself" ?

Mind you, if he had done the obvious he would,nt of gotten trapped and seen the map. :D


that's a very good observation. the only thing i could come up with is he wasn't thinking straight at the spur of the moment.

[Listen to Lenny]

But why draw the map on the blast door? There was enough light, even the black light, to do a normal map...Why write the map on the door with such a laborious and slow method...Maybe the lockdown trapped the drawer for more than a while, and used the door as a blackboard...???
My only guess would be to keep the map hidden. Why or from whom? Yet another mystery. Either the map was drawn on the blast door and with materials that could only be seen with a black light in order to keep the map a secret OR the drawer(s) were actually trapped in a lockdown mode with nothing but a black light on for a long period of time. However, the latter does not make much sense.

Wether or not Henry entered the numbers or not was not my first thought during that scene. I thought "why has Locke let out Henry to raise the door and get to the computer when he (Locke) knows there is a vent in the pantry and he can get through to the computer himself" ?

Mind you, if he had done the obvious he would,nt of gotten trapped and seen the map. :D
Oh yah...I've definitely thought the same thing and I doubt there is a logical answer. LOST has been nicely written, but I suppose even the best of shows have those moments where a sequence of events really are illogical, but necessary for the story to unfold a certain way. I suspect that is what has happened in this scene. If it had happened logically (Locke himself, going through the air shaft) then no map, no hurt leg (very symbolic), no trust-pact between Fenry and Locke (which was necessary to increase the tension during the confrontation at the end of the scene). You would just have Locke climbing through the vent and then trying to figure out what the deal is with the blast doors from the comfort of not being trapped.

[Hufflepuff]

I think it is not necessary to push the buttom and "Henry" didn`t.

[Sarah Jane]

I doubt it.
Something about it just seemed iffy.
And even though you can't believe him...
I think that I might have to.

[Kevo232]

I think its pretty important to take into account the whole ¨he´ll lie for a very long time¨ line from Roussoue.

It seems from the way she said it, that he will eventually stop lying.

It obviously doesn´t make it a fact that he will stop, but it was a pretty blatant line, and those lines are typically pretty significant to the plot line.

Based on tone of the writing on this show, i think there is a point at which Henry will stop lying and I think it was then, when he...said it...

He did not push it

Thats my point...

[cunning stunt]

I thought the others were part of the Dharma initiative, that would mean that they built the bunker, or at least took it over seen as everything in it has Dharma logos on.

The only losties that know that the others might be part of Dharma (seen as the others have been dressing in costume to make it look like they're castaways) are Kate and Claire as they know that Ethan took Claire to a dharma bunker and Kate also knows that they are in costume (although Kate told Jack this in this epi).

So Locke doesn't know that the others are part of Dharma and that they know exactly what the bunker is. That's why Henry can pretend he's never been there before or know what it is.


Does that make sense because I had a really hard time phrasing it :shock:

It does make sense and its a pretty good theory, well done

[benos]

he did'nt press the button, and the food appeared, if he did press the button, the food would'nt come, and hurley will be safe from eating more food and dave would'nt appear. Henry is very smart and needs to be taken out quickly. I see Micheal is the one that tries to murder him. or give him a good scare.

[grg]

he certainly did something else which shows the map. He is trying to
manipulate lockes mind in believing that the map appears when you just
not press the button. Thats why he is smiling inside the weapons room when locke shouts at him from outside the door.

[Carmel]

Telling Locke if he pushed the button or not doesn't really matter, its only purpose was to shake him up.

What people keep missing here, in my opinion is the purpose of the button. It creates routine, meaning, when it's pushed everything is normal. I'm reaching here, but I believe that perhaps the button lets the scientists of the project know that everything is ok. When it ISN'T pushed, it alerts them of a problem, i.e. in this case another shipment of food arrives immediately. And even, if we go even further, the button creates some kind of grid that keeps the island a secret and if it will not be pushed everyone will be discovered. That's why "the numbers are bad".

Just a thought.

[Locke815]

Telling Locke if he pushed the button or not doesn't really matter, its only purpose was to shake him up.

What people keep missing here, in my opinion is the purpose of the button. It creates routine, meaning, when it's pushed everything is normal. I'm reaching here, but I believe that perhaps the button lets the scientists of the project know that everything is ok. When it ISN'T pushed, it alerts them of a problem, i.e. in this case another shipment of food arrives immediately. And even, if we go even further, the button creates some kind of grid that keeps the island a secret and if it will not be pushed everyone will be discovered. That's why "the numbers are bad".

Just a thought.

The hatch was in lockdown for the food drop BEFORE the countdown clock ran down and the alarm sounded. :D

[Carmel]

The hatch was in lockdown for the food drop BEFORE the countdown clock ran down and the alarm sounded. :D

True, but the numbers running down to the red figures already happened before on Locke's watch. I would assume arranging a shipment wouldn't take 5 seconds. I took this alarm as a hint.

[Locke815]

True, but the numbers running down to the red figures already happened before on Locke's watch. I would assume arranging a shipment wouldn't take 5 seconds. I took this alarm as a hint.


The countdown clock/alarm has nothing to do with the food drop. Locke heard garbled instructions/warning from the ceiling speaker. Then lockdown happened, I believe the clock still had around 40 or so minutes left.

I`ve read on another thread that the food drops are tri monthly so they are not as a result of scientists sending them when, as you say "things are wrong" in the hatch. :D

[miikel...74]

its an interesting concept who really knows though right? they want you to do what where doign melting our brains with if hes lying and this whole plan for them not to press the button for somthign to happen who knows if u ask me i think that button is a smaller scale to the big picture

[Tari]

Considering what happened when the button was not pressed, I think its safe to say that Fenry pushed the button.

[SLNevitt]

Dammit! I wanted to say that on this thread - I couldn't find it! :( - He obviously pushed the button because we saw what would have happened if it wasn't pushed! :P

[Ched]

oh god dam.
you 2 were way ahead. i wanted to say that lol.

[afterglow182]

I dont think he did, to be honest.

[Boone_lover]

I reckon he did push it, i agree that he just wants to annoy Locke. He wants to screw up our survivors, maybe because he's preparing for somehting like an attack from the Others?? Oooooo that would be cool!

[Hanso Himself]

Well, are we decided then? Fenry did push the button...

[Caroo]

I think he did too..
the way he smiled when Locke was asking him..
he just likes Locke being all :"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

[Darkbear]

I think we can be fairly sure that he did push the button. He knows what happens if you don't, and we know from Desmond's reaction when the monitor broke that it wouldn't be good.....

He just wants to screw with everybody the same way he has been since they got him from the French chick.

[sylvia]

He is messing with Lockes (and our!) minds... All I know is his expression when Locke got all het up and couldn't bear it any more so was asking him whether he pressed the button or not....... was the scaaaaaariest thing!!

[Fuselage]

I don't Henry pushed the button as other wise the owrld was gonna blow up,or perhaps he did but pressed someother buttons first,or he coud gave and is just playing with Locke even though i doubt it very much

[Raft Burner]

No, how would he have known about the red buttons?

[RETROverted]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that he DID press the numbers/button.

Regarding the comment above, Fenry knew about the red hyroglyphics because he got there just in time like Locke did the last time when he saw the hyroglyphics as well and yet nothing shook unlike in the finale.

The fact that we now know he lied really should make us all re-evaluate all the other bullcrap he told the losties while in captivity both before AND after they found out he was an other.

[VideoZard]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that he DID press the numbers/button.

Regarding the comment above, Fenry knew about the red hyroglyphics because he got there just in time like Locke did the last time when he saw the hyroglyphics as well and yet nothing shook unlike in the finale.

The fact that we now know he lied really should make us all re-evaluate all the other bullcrap he told the losties while in captivity both before AND after they found out he was an other.

FENRY :rolleyes:

[Exie]

FENRY :rolleyes:
That's what everyone was calling him back then. Why dredge up a thread that's over a year old just to make a sarcastic comment?