They're really changing kate's character, aren't they? [Archive]

Cara

03-30-2006, 08:52 AM

I don't think they're changing her character...just 'cause in a couple of episodes she's had some fun doesn't mean they're going to completely change her...it wouldn't be their style, lol. I guess we'll see - but I don't think she's going to change unless its like a "character development" type thing (which in this case, it wouldn't be)...

UndrTheSpotlight

03-30-2006, 09:55 AM

medstudent7

03-30-2006, 10:09 AM

they are just showing the different, softer feminine side of her. the innocent side, the side that is just existing from day to day without a clue as to what is going on, and the softer side from when she didnt get upset when jack when she was suspicious that something may be going on in the hatch
I agree completely. These people are stuck on this island. Playing cards and relaxing helps keep them sane.
Kate is always there when anyone needs a friend, she went with Claire when Aaron was sick and got the gun from Saywer to take with them also, she counselled Sun about her pregnancy.
During this particular episode, Ana and not Kate went on a potentially dangerous trek through the jungle. But a few weeks ago(our time) it was Kate and not Ana that went with Claire to find the medical hatch.

UndrTheSpotlight

03-30-2006, 10:18 AM

In other words, her immaturity. Right? Because she came off as an immature thirteen year-old in that scene in which she told Jack that she was glad that he had beaten Sawyer.
I think immaturity is too much of a negative connotation. Something in her is calmer now, she doesnt feel the need to always be in the know, and be in charge, which to me shows growth, and with the sawyer thing, she probably knows now that he is annoying and trying to stir up trouble

xBrokenxRecordsx

03-30-2006, 10:20 AM

I don't think immaturity is the proper word. I'm leaning more towards relaxed...

lost/wwe fan

03-30-2006, 10:20 AM

Ever since she screwed up in The Hunting Party, she has been more chilled out. She has always known how to loosen up and have fun.

SnakesOnAPlane

03-30-2006, 04:19 PM

If you think about it (well you don't really need to think about it the writers pretty much shoved it in your face) Kate's been running her entire adult life. Given the chance (but not choice) to stop running since they're on an unescapable island she's naturally going to mellow out a little bit and enjoy the things she's never gotten to do like hang out with people and make some true friendships (as with Claire and Sun). I think you've seen the same sort of growth in the Ana character as well when she didn't jump all over Henry because they thought he was an other and she seems to be showing some restraint in the previews for next week.

On another note Kate definitely seemed like she needed to see that shower in the hatch, she was looking a little grubby. I can't believe she still has all that hair!!

SnakesOnAPlane

03-30-2006, 05:27 PM

Who really has "grown" on this island? People are going through natural ups and downs. It would seem Jin has progressed ("grown") and then there he is in the Whole Truth being possessive and angry again. I think you have to put this into perspective; Kate's character is changing but slowly. Perceptions of personal growth (immaturity for example) are tricky stuff. All I wanted to point out was that there was a rational progression of Kate's character with intuitive choices for her by the writers.

Warren

03-30-2006, 05:42 PM

I agree that Kate has definitely been given a more chilled vibe lately. As far as immaturity goes I think its just part of the character. Like Charlie's childishness it makes her more realistic...I could think of more people I know like her in the world than Jacks...well then Jack has his problems too doesn't he?

Kayla_

03-30-2006, 05:59 PM

i dont believe that kate is immature just because she decided to flirt a bit whats wrong with that? it peeved me off because im a skater but that doesnt make her immature, its not like theres anything else to do on the island. everyone needs their fun time

shred

03-30-2006, 06:04 PM

I think that episode with "The Kiss" caused her some embarrassment and also made her think a little more kindly toward Sawyer. Then he pulled the "New Sheriff" stunt. I think what we have is Kate trying to test the waters, to see what she feels about both of them. I would rather see her this relaxed and flirting than her Adventure Girl mode.

Alpha_7

03-30-2006, 06:07 PM

If you think back to an earlier episode, when she challenged Jack to golf (and whooped his arse) the same episode that Eko bring back the wounded Sawyer. I think both episodes so her calmer "fun side" and also her dilemma being torn between Jack and Sawyer.

mystwoman

03-30-2006, 06:14 PM

L♥ST

03-30-2006, 07:27 PM

I don't really understand how Kate's attitude yesterday led ot the word immature, or how her character is changing for the worse? If people are reffering to the comment made by her Jack saying she was glad he won instead of Sawyer, I saw that as a way to joke around and make conversation with him, since their relationship hasnt really been on good terms lately. Also, I read this from another poster, it might have also been a way to get on Jack's good side because she was still curious about what wa going on. SHe has had a feeling that shes been out of the loop, especially with Jack lately, so she made a flirty comment, gave him a sexy smile, all because she wanted to know what was going on. I also think she told Jack she was happy to see him win because it was the truth. Seeing someone beat Sawyer and his huge ego was probably entertaining.

I just dont see the bad change people are talking about. In the past couple episides, we've seen her help Claire and Sun in their times of need. If anything, that displays loyalty and kindness.

Sharkey

03-30-2006, 07:50 PM

Would have all gone differently if Jack hadn't spotted Sawyers attempt to deal from the middle.

Seen so little of Kate lately and no action. I think she's the same though. I think she's just blinded by love and admiration for Jack when he's about (enhanced by the rejection), and she doesn't seem so strong now she's not paired up with him. But she seems to fall into grinning flirt (her smiles are just so stable and normal and full of joy these days!) very easily for a killer who's previously elbowed someone in the face etc without a second thought. But then she was acting like a flirtly teenager when she went off with Sawyer into the woods in season 1 so I don't think much has changed. I'd love to see the entire card game and how many times each man glanced at her blatent cleavage.

Ana Lucia couldn't take over her character. :shock:

mystwoman

03-31-2006, 07:19 AM

The ruler remark really showed how snippy she gest when their men will be men games shut her out.

I think its vereee interesting that Kate shows up all smiles practically at the hatch behind jack and he's like, nope sorry.

Does jack know she has killed people?

budgeymom

03-31-2006, 02:10 PM

I was very disapointed to see her "victory to the spoils" attitude in lockedown.

Kate is back in cheerleader mode. Am I the only one who senses Sawyer is setting jack up for a really big poker swindle?

Good point!!! I didn't catch this. Sawyer is making Jack think that Jack has the upper hand and Sawyer can't read him. Oh, this should be good when they play for something really important. Love it!! They will probably play for something when the stakes are very high and the play is serious then Sawyer will beat Jack down!!

stunnedtina

03-31-2006, 02:29 PM

I'm liking the Kate right now. She seems more relaxed, not as uptight and adventuresome. It's a good change. It's still apart of who she is though so they aren't really showing anything different than say the flirtatious, funny side of her that we've seen before.

However I noticed that her hair looks lighter. I suppose that could be because of Sun exporsure though. I know that being in the sun lightens your hair. I just kind of noticed that because her hair was like dark brown and now it's on the light brown side. :giggle:

MyFav

03-31-2006, 02:33 PM

I agree that Sawyer is setting Jack up. Sawyer told Jack just because he dropped out of school in the 9th grade doesn't mean he is stupid. Plus Jack told Sawyer everyone is watching which is a great set up. Sawyer knows how to read people and I don't think that Jack is different than anyone else.

And it seems that Kate isn't as mad at Sawyer anymore. And the "I'm glad you bet Sawyer" thing I believe she means it. It was a small victory after both Jack and Kate got conned a few days ago (island time).

WasimY

03-31-2006, 03:13 PM

kate has changed but it all addsto her character they have built so far.

Northern Monkey

03-31-2006, 03:49 PM

tbh I think Kate is the most pointless character in the whole show. Apart from a bit of tension between Jack and Sawyer in an earlier show, she hasn't added anything at all other than providing the eye candy role (which she isn't really anyway).

Everyone has their favourite characters, but I can't see anyone actually having Kate down as their's.

Steph

03-31-2006, 03:55 PM

I wouldn't call it immaturity - but i do think it's changing her a little bit - she seems to have kinda settled on the island - which is agianst her whole "running away" persona - but then it could be that they'll bring that back in the next eps so it's kwl ...

Nothern Monkey - i think kate's character is one of the most intriguing - at the moment she's more in the background - giving other people's characters chancing - but there's so much we dont know about her - which gives her the oppurtunity for great storylines. YOu might want to edit the bit about her not being eye candy - cos technically thats bashing evangeline - and the mods dont want that ..... just letting you know in case :)

Sugar&Spice

03-31-2006, 04:02 PM

Her comment told me that her hero worship of Jack has not really abated, which tells me that she still has a large immature streak in her character. It's how I see her. Even Evangeline Lilly has commented upon how she doesn't like that aspect of Kate's character. I look forward to the day when Kate stops worshipping Jack.

Me thinks you just don't like Kate's character. Which is fine..

I thought the scene was cute. If that's immature, well then I guess I'm immature. Yay for me. :)

wednesdaynight

03-31-2006, 04:08 PM

Did anyone think that the reason Kate flirted with Jack was to find out (maybe because Sawyer asked her) what's going on in the hatch? It's pretty clear they are keeping people out of the hatch. He was evasive when she mentioned that he had been spending a lot of time down there. Why not use her feminine wiles to get him to let her down there... "LOOP, Dude...LOOP!", wouldn't work for Kate, but batting her eyelashes certainly would...

L♥ST

03-31-2006, 05:10 PM

wednesdaynight, I was thinking the same thing as well. And if thats the case, its not that shes immature, its that shes being a little manupulative :p... Using her charming self to try to perhaps open up. If that was her plan, it did work a little... eventhough she didn't get down to the hatch, her and Jack's relationship seems alright now.

I think it was a little bit of both though. I think she wanted to go down to the hatch to see what was going on, but I also think she was trying to smooth things over with Jack, since they werent in the best place at the time. I slo think that she meant what she said with Jack beating Sawyer.

Originally Posted by Fish1941
Her comment told me that her hero worship of Jack has not really abated, which tells me that she still has a large immature streak in her character. It's how I see her. Even Evangeline Lilly has commented upon how she doesn't like that aspect of Kate's character. I look forward to the day when Kate stops worshipping Jack

I dont think that her comment illustrated that she worshiped Jack... Trying to amke a little conversation with him and get their relatioship to a better place doesnt mean she's immature. Whats wrong with her saying something ncie and positive to him? I understand what you dont like in Kate's character and how Evangeline's picked up on it too, but I still dont see how this particualr scene demonstrated that?

mystwoman

03-31-2006, 07:00 PM

Kate runs up the flag of whoever's winning. If I looked into my crystal ball to the end of the story, i'd say she ends up with Sayid or door number 4 because Sawyer won't get played and Jack has learned the hard hard way that she will let him down as long as he let her.

drinkmocha

03-31-2006, 09:03 PM

i noticed this too. her character is useless at this point of the story. her flashbacks didnt give any relevance at all. except the small plane, i guess. they can kill kate, and no one will care... except the actress's fans.

Domaghan

03-31-2006, 09:12 PM

i mean, now she's kinda just the eyecandy pretty girl there to flirt & have fun. think this has to do with the attention/modeling shoots & such she's getting in real life?

it's kinda dissapointing. it's like anna totally took her role.

Wow. Never thought about that before. But it's so true. :shock:

mystwoman

04-01-2006, 05:21 AM

Why didn't kate ask jack about the shower at the beach? Why did she set him up by walking almost the entire way to the hatchway? She knows where the waterfall is.

Kate wants to be in on stuff. Hanging around jack is a good way to keep that going, and it keeps her witness to a lot of stuff that keeps her in the power loop.

But Jack is getting wise to her.

I am surprised Kate has not manipulated the computer to "get out".

_Erica_

04-01-2006, 05:24 AM

I am surprised Kate has not manipulated the computer to "get out".

Can you explaine?

mystwoman

04-01-2006, 06:39 AM

Yeah she had that relaxed look after putting her dad to bed and riding off into the night.

WithTheDawn

04-01-2006, 06:43 AM

I like her more this way. Before she was just...I dont know, acting tough and crying for help at the same time. It annoyed me. Knowing whats happened with other characters though (Sawyer, Jin, Charlie), she will be back to her old ways again soon enough.

interested

04-01-2006, 06:48 AM

In other words, her immaturity. Right? Because she came off as an immature thirteen year-old in that scene in which she told Jack that she was glad that he had beaten Sawyer.

I'll go with "immaturity." She's become like a teenage flirt, playing the boys off of each other. But I don't know how big of a change this is for her...she's never exactly seemed a "selfless" character to me, and this entire season she has not been portrayed as a particularly wise one. This episode furthers that impression. I liked her more in the first season, but I don't know if it is a "change" so much as a lack of development--we see a lot going on with the other characters, but we don't see Kate growing.

Joan Locke

04-01-2006, 09:53 PM

I don´t think her character is really changing.If there will be an emergency,I´m sure Kate will be the the strong character we know and help again.I think the way she acts now is because she wants to please Jack.That´s a part of her character that doesn´t seem to fit to her tough behaviour,but it isn´t a new trait.She tried to stop Jack being mad at her after the moving to the caves discussion for example.What people Kate likes/lovs think about her has always been really important to Kate.Not only with Jack,but with her mother and to some degree with Sawyer,too.She worships persons who are important to her and can´t stand them being mad at her.

So,I think it´s not completely wrong to call her behavior "immature".Her behaviour shows,that she is emotionally dependant of Jack.She can´t stand him being mad at her.And like I said,it´s not only Jack she behaves like this towards.I think Kate searches for approval more than most grown up persons ans this character trait restricts her from seeing her own strength.

The Cube

04-01-2006, 10:00 PM

I think there's a real life thing going on here too.

More Kate = more male viewers
More Saywer = more female viewers

ShadedSkies

04-02-2006, 11:44 AM

crow

04-03-2006, 05:32 PM

i think since all this dark stuff is going on with henry and the hatch and jack and locke and claire and generally everything on the show, they just needed someone other then hurley to lighten the mood. Kate (until the end of this episode) doesn't know anything about henry so she's just who they picked to have some relax time, escpecially since it looks like hurley's gonna have some "unhappy moments" in the next episode.:rolleyes:
(this is actually strange that im defending kate... she's definatly not one of my favorites..)

AX10G

04-04-2006, 08:05 PM

I suppose Katie was a convict... I guess at first she was real uneasy and not so comfortable around all these strangers who judged her... But over a long period of time as she got to know everyone involved witht he plain crash her natural self emerged and she began getting on with everyone else then everyone accepted her stopped hating her blah blah blah.... Thus we see her true character?

Vashner

04-04-2006, 08:37 PM

Maybe she just wants to breed. I love women but them hormones can and will go nuts. On there terms.. not yours hehe.

Mamma wants to breed and Jack's looking good to her. Jack was like hey i'll take you back.

Humans are mammals.. we can "smell it" and see it in the eye's. I mean that in a scientific way of course.

Maybe the island is making her "sick"?

wahinetoa

06-07-2006, 05:09 AM

I was disappointed in Kate this episode too. Sawyer used her up, really badly, in "The Long Con" and she's flirting and playing cards with him not long after? What on earth..?

This; matrix girl whom I adored in S1, now is like eyecandy? Argh. Mind you, I LOVE that Ana is coming into her own - that warrior/Cop thing, that's leader worthy. I totally hope Kate kicks off that flirty thing, and goes to Ana.. they'll rule that island yet!.

bambam53

06-08-2006, 02:51 PM

this is kind of off the topic.but i read in a tv guide the a couple days ago LOST is adding three new characters to the cast.theyre described as a a very attractive female in her twenties(most likely to replace shannon),a Latino hunk who has a mysterious quality and another female in her thirties who has leadership abilities.hopefully these three will all stay on the show for at least a season.the losties seem to be dropping like flies

cait14

06-09-2006, 11:10 AM

Kate is not going soft! The Main reasons are that she has been stuck on an island for 50/60 days, wouldnt you want to relax a bit? At least she not going all Shannon on us and whipping out a bikini and trying to get a tan! She needs some fun.... and she is human so she needs a bit of people-time with other people. Her and Jack had a masive fight and she was trying to fix it by making small talk telling him she was glad he beat Sawyer. In Season 1 she was all "Me Kate, Me throw rock!" (as Sawyer expertly puts it!!) But now shes more chilled, mellow and has a better time now shes hanging around with Sawyer.

I know this is off-topic but, regarding my last comment, has anyone noticed that? Since shes been hanging around with Sawyer, Kate is more relaxed and has had time to build more friendships with others on the island. Jack always belittled her if a minor thing happened.He'd bring up the Marshal, the fact she's a convict among other things. Jack tries to make her perfect, something she can never be, as she revealed when she was talking to her "Dad" saying
"I can never be truly good"

And regarding Ana-Lucia..... I dont like her at all. she always has a scowl on her face and thinks shes great but enough off-topic ramblings.

Im done now.

*physics my ass*

06-09-2006, 11:47 AM

Hey im a season 1er...well now season 2 lol but like episode 7 or 8...meh and so i wanna no sumthing. What did Sawyer excatly do to Kate in "The Long Con" ? If sum1 cood explain wood be nice! Thanks x

cait14

06-10-2006, 08:23 AM

*physics_my_ass*: Sawyer made Kate think she was helping everyone when really, she was helping him get the guns. But they are soo cute together and she forgave him quickly because she loves him!

*physics my ass*

06-10-2006, 10:26 AM

lol yeah. Thanks. Have all you gals voted in the channel E 2006 tater top awards? I've voted and still voting in all the catergories for Lost i'm clicking away lol:D . If you havent, vote! Skates in the best chemistry catergory! :w00t:

wahinetoa

06-13-2006, 09:59 PM

*physics_my_ass*: Sawyer made Kate think she was helping everyone when really, she was helping him get the guns. But they are soo cute together and she forgave him quickly because she loves him!

Argh. She forgave him because she loved him?

Geez, I hope not. :mad: Kate is FAR better, and stronger to be some lovesick patsy to a bloke, who didn't give a darn about using her to win over Jack.

She and Ana should compare notes, make the men on the island nervous as heck - be Xena and Gabby and go save those kids themselves. -sigh- More strong and less love starved women, please.

just MHO :)

cait14

06-14-2006, 06:19 AM

Argh. She forgave him because she loved him?

Geez, I hope not. :mad: Kate is FAR better, and stronger to be some lovesick patsy to a bloke, who didn't give a darn about using her to win over Jack.

She and Ana should compare notes, make the men on the island nervous as heck - be Xena and Gabby and go save those kids themselves. -sigh- More strong and less love starved women, please.

just MHO :)

Well, everyone has an opinion but as Sawyer put it
"Everyones got needs" (that mightent(sp) be exact but i cant remember exactly how it was!)

I agree that she shouldnt be so lovesick but if she had to go with either of them, it'd be Sawyer! Jack is all like
"Oh no, you cant come into the Jungle!Stay here!"
Hes a man who wants his girl to stay at home and wait for him there instead of treating her as an equal and saying nothing if she decides to go with them. Best e.g would be when Jack, Sawyer and Locke went to look for Micheal, it was his fault that Kate got caught! A girl like her aint gonna do what shes told, who gave him the right to boss her around anyway?!

Ya, again, Im done.... just MHO too....:p

*physics my ass*

06-14-2006, 12:13 PM

I agree, Jack's a arsehole and needs a good ole bitch slap! I so want Ana-Lucia back, i hated her but there wood be soo many more options 2 everyone. Like if Kate found out about the Sana sex Kate wooda been like "Bitch" and been all...evil Kate lol i dunno!! Or she cooda gone with Jack and then Kate wood have no choice lol! :D ! OR she cooda gone with Sawyer an either Kate wooda gone with Jack [ergh] or she wooda tried 2 get in Sawyers pants lol! ORRR wot my mate came up with which i think is complete genius which i mite have allready mentioned but hey ho lol...Kate cood hook up with Ana-lucia HA! LOVE 2 see the looks on Jack and Sawyers faces! The writers wood soo never do that now....and none of my ideas will be born cos she had 2 go die! lol...jeez i babbled...apologies:o

Fuselage

09-07-2006, 08:27 AM

I see what you mean SickLife ,Ana is taking the more dominat roles now in the female category.

charmedlfreak

09-20-2006, 04:31 AM

I see what you mean SickLife ,Ana is taking the more dominat roles now in the female category.

Yeah she did didn't she. Then again I only ever saw Kate doing that. Since theres hardly many females, compared to 10 or more males.

Adelais

10-11-2006, 02:05 AM

Or maybe she is spending all that time with Sawyer so she could learn more about him. He tricked her in the "Long Con" epi and she doesn't want that to happen again. With the poker game she has chance to learn more about his expressions and attitude in different case - winning, losing, etc.
And of course she is glad that Jack beat Sawyer even though this is a card game. Sawyer needed some realistic sight of the things. He had to understand that he is not the best in everything.