Easter Eggs

[LissaMargaret]

Post any easter eggs found in this epi here! :)

[leet]

Owl Creek Bridge book maybe?

[Late Arrival]

Kate's Mom in the Diner taking Sawyer and the other guys order.

[Mr.EkoHolyman]

If you notice When Sun is being kidnapped you can see Charlie's watch on his left wrist.

[Heathenette]

I'm going to have to watch again, in slo mo, to see if I can catch that LOL

[SunBurnedPenguin]

When Sawyer was trying to sell the necklaces to those two guys, I noticed that one of them (the one with the goatee) was the same guy who shot Ana-Lucia in "Collision" and who she shot after. Almost positive...can someone verify?

*By the way, how amazing was this episode?? Totally worth the extra wait.*

[Overload]

Did anybody catch the name of the book or whatever Hurley was reading at the end...? ...just curios.

[magdalene]

Did anybody catch the name of the book or whatever Hurley was reading at the end...? ...just curios.

I thought it said Blind Faith.....but I could totally be wrong. I'm not sure of that at all.

[lost/wwe fan]

I saw Bad Twin.

[Dark_Lord_Erik]

Did anybody catch the name of the book or whatever Hurley was reading at the end...? ...just curios.


"Bad Twin"

[Mrs. Eko]

The manuscript was titled Bad Twin.

Here's information on it from Amazon. It's a Lost tie in.

Book Description
Sometimes evil has a familiar face . . .
Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now.

His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for.

But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life.

Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

About the Author
Bad Twin is the highly-anticipated new novel by acclaimed mystery writer Gary Troup. Bad Twin was delivered to Hyperion just days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/qid=1139455932/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-2956347-3926540?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

[shooter]

Notice Hurley mentioned something about "TIME", when he and Sayid were listening to the frequency? This blew me away, that song was by the Glen Miller band from the mid 1940's, could they possibly be in some kind of time warp? Maybe the plane and passengers were victims of another " philedelphia experiment" ?

[vfd8990]

that is the name of the new book coming out from Hyproion. It will be an offical LOST book! Weeeeeeee! Mabey there are clues inside of it. Mabey he works for The Hanso Foundation or The Dharma Inicitive or Widmore Counstruction. Sounds cool.


Also can any body get a screen cap of the safe nob i saw wors on the dial thanks bye.

[knullare]

days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004.

So I guess the crash date is confirmed.

[gogoman]

was that michael on the beach in the background

http://www.gogostudio.com/michael.jpg

[LissaMargaret]

So I guess the crash date is confirmed.

0.o;;

[Lost & Found]

Notice Hurley mentioned something about "TIME", when he and Sayid were listening to the frequency? This blew me away, that song was by the Glen Miller band from the mid 1940's, could they possibly be in some kind of time warp? Maybe the plane and passengers were victims of another " philedelphia experiment" ?

That could explain a few things there..... but also confuse us even more. The washer and dryer were new, but the orientation projector was old.. so was the computer... but I think we've got something here.

[Mr. Howell]

Yeah...Michael just strode out of the jungle...walked right out on the beach in front of everyone...to stretch. C'mon!! That was NOT Michael.

[NCRider]

Easter eggs or things we discerned from this show....


- Kate's mom was in the diner
- Sawyer's really pretty bright. Bad, but bright.
- Hurley made mention of the song "Lime in the Coconut" by Harry Nilsson. Some tie in to seeking help from a doctor. (OK, I'm reaching)
- Locke was NOT alphabetizing. He was looking for something.
- Lock was holding the book "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge"
- Sawyer said "the devil's in the details" -- twice. What details are we missing? He made mention of the color and weave of the hood. That's pretty detailed.
- Hurley made mention of the "another time" for the song. (the writers are toying with us)
- What else am I missing?

[magdalene]

Some more time theory previously ignored

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=890605#post890605

maybe some of that will work with this:)



EDIT - sorry - this is an easter egg thread - I'm way off topic

[...What?]

Easter eggs or things we discerned from this show....


- Kate's mom was in the diner
- Sawyer's really pretty bright. Bad, but bright.
- Hurley made mention of the song "Lime in the Coconut" by Harry Nilsson. Some tie in to seeking help from a doctor. (OK, I'm reaching)
- Locke was NOT alphabetizing. He was looking for something.
- Lock was holding the book "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge"
- Sawyer said "the devil's in the details" -- twice. What details are we missing? He made mention of the color and weave of the hood. That's pretty detailed.
- Hurley made mention of the "another time" for the song. (the writers are toying with us)
- What else am I missing?


As far as what Locke was looking for, my guess is more reels of video. He found some in the Bible, why not other books?

The time warp thing, I think it's just a goofy Hurley moment. I love the guy, but I don't think that meant anything.

[Ole Smokey]

was that michael on the beach in the background

http://www.gogostudio.com/michael.jpg

I thought that was Rose. ???

[...What?]

I thought that was Rose. ??? It sort of looked like Jin to me.

[WilhelmReems00]

Friend of mine came across this and showed me the link, thought I would Share it.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x13/cassidy.jpg

looks like Sawyers con with Desmond? Any thoughts?

[knullare]

looks like Sawyers con with Desmond? Any thoughts?

There is little to no similarity between those two women. Specifically, the eyebrows are completely different.

[Darth Pipes]

I noticed one of the books Locke took out was titled "Owl Creek Bridge." This is very likely "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge." This short story was the basis of a 1962 Oscar-winning French short film. It's about a Confederate soldier who is about to be hanged but the rope bridge. He flees and returns to his property, where he prepares to run into the arms of his wife. But before he reaches her, his neck snap backs violently and in the next shot, he is hanging from the noose. His mind just imagined the whole thing. It was actually re-edited and shown on television as an episode of The Twilight Zone in 1964. JJ is a big Rod Serling fan too.

[Late Arrival]

There is little to no similarity between those two women. Specifically, the eyebrows are completely different.


I can't wait until they clear up that picture. I want to know that more than almost anything so people will quit drawing comparisons.

They are not the same.

[knullare]

I noticed one of the books Locke took out was titled "Owl Creek Bridge." This is very likely "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge." This short story was the basis of a 1962 Oscar-winning French short film. It's about a Confederate soldier who is about to be hanged but the rope bridge. He flees and returns to his property, where he prepares to run into the arms of his wife. But before he reaches her, his neck snap backs violently and in the next shot, he is hanging from the noose. His mind just imagined the whole thing. It was actually re-edited and shown on television as an episode of The Twilight Zone in 1964. JJ is a big Rod Serling fan too.

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=29938

[juicyfruitgome]

I thought that was Rose. ???

I agree. It was definitely Rose. Same build, same race, same hairstyle.

And every woman we meet in this show is not the woman in that stinkin' picture.

[StarvinMarvin07]

Easter eggs or things we discerned from this show....


- Kate's mom was in the diner
- Sawyer's really pretty bright. Bad, but bright.
- Hurley made mention of the song "Lime in the Coconut" by Harry Nilsson. Some tie in to seeking help from a doctor. (OK, I'm reaching)
- Locke was NOT alphabetizing. He was looking for something.
- Lock was holding the book "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge"
- Sawyer said "the devil's in the details" -- twice. What details are we missing? He made mention of the color and weave of the hood. That's pretty detailed.
- Hurley made mention of the "another time" for the song. (the writers are toying with us)
- What else am I missing?



I think Locke was looking for another piece of the film, like how it was hidden in the bible

[stunnedtina]

StarvinMarvin that was my thoughts as well! I think maybe Locke was looking for another piece of the film as well :D

[NatashaK]

Does anyone recognize the man in the diner from anywhere else? Have we seen him in other episodes?

[Project Mayhem]

I dont think he was looking for film, but definitly something. The way it was hidden in the bible was the 'hollow book' method, where a large portion of ALL pages is cut out to hide something inside. Locke was looking through the pages, as if to find a single pape or something inbetween the pages.

[Myb]

I dont think he was looking for film, but definitly something. The way it was hidden in the bible was the 'hollow book' method, where a large portion of ALL pages is cut out to hide something inside. Locke was looking through the pages, as if to find a single pape or something inbetween the pages.

Agreed. Locke is looking for something in the books. What and why are the questions.

[HateKate]

Does anyone recognize the man in the diner from anywhere else? Have we seen him in other episodes?

Pretty sure the actor is Kevin Dunn...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242656/

Guy was the original choice to play George Constanza. Now THERE was a great career move on his part, turning that down.

[monsieurgrand02]

Did anyone catch the "obvious" cross in the flashbacks this episode? It was mentioned in the official ABC LOST podcast.

[fblanco]

I noticed one of the books Locke took out was titled "Owl Creek Bridge." This is very likely "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge." This short story was the basis of a 1962 Oscar-winning French short film. It's about a Confederate soldier who is about to be hanged but the rope bridge. He flees and returns to his property, where he prepares to run into the arms of his wife. But before he reaches her, his neck snap backs violently and in the next shot, he is hanging from the noose. His mind just imagined the whole thing. It was actually re-edited and shown on television as an episode of The Twilight Zone in 1964. JJ is a big Rod Serling fan too.

i remember reading this book, pretty interesting, but the writters have said this isnt someone's dream or imagination. i also dont think this put this in there for nothing, what could this mean?

[Mr. Howell]

Did anyone catch the "obvious" cross in the flashbacks this episode? It was mentioned in the official ABC LOST podcast.

I don't think they meant "cross" in the biblical form, pardon the pun...I think they were referring to characters "crossing" each other's path in flashbacks...In this case, it was Kate's Mom serving Sawyer & his partner at the diner. I think they refer to instances like Hurley on the TV and Sayid on the TV in Jin & Kate's flashbacks as "crosses".

[monsieurgrand02]

I don't think they meant "cross" in the biblical form, pardon the pun...I think they were referring to characters "crossing" each other's path in flashbacks...In this case, it was Kate's Mom serving Sawyer & his partner at the diner. I think they refer to instances like Hurley on the TV and Sayid on the TV in Jin & Kate's flashbacks as "crosses".

Oh. Well that certainly makes more sense. I was looking for a cross...

[smartdust]

There is little to no similarity between those two women. Specifically, the eyebrows are completely different.

The noses of the two women are the same shape.

The shapes of the faces are the same (Sawyer's woman has a haircut designed to make the face appear rounder than it actually is, but look at where the forehead actually ends and you will see they are the same shape)

The cheek bones are the same (in Desmond's photo she has a more pronounced smile which pushes the muscle out to the side but it's clear that the cheek shape is the same)

I'm not saying the two women are the same person but I disagree with you saying that there's little to no similarity. It's clear that eyebrows have been heavily plucked in the picture with Sawyer's woman, so arguing that the eyebrow shape proves that the women are different is not a well grounded statement.

If I were to bet on any of the women that we've seen thus far being the same as the one featured in Desmond's picture, then my money would be on Sawyer's woman. The fact that the director has specifically chosen to show this woman in a photograph and dedicate airtime to this fact suggests to me that it is significant.

Again, I'm not saying that the women are the same (Desmond's photograph is too low quality to be sure), but I do say there's a greater liklihood of Sawyer's girl being the same girl as Desmond's girl than any other that has been featured so far.

The biggest clue that we have in Desmond's picture is the teeth. Teeth can be suprisingly unique. It might be worth going back to see if we can find a good shot of Sawyer's girl's teeth. However, I doubt that will be conclusive as the American obsession with good teeth means that a lot of women have them altered to match a similar template (if they are the same woman, it's obvious that she's been to a stylist between her time with Desmond and Sawyer and that could well result in a trip to a dental specialist).

[ShadowsofGotham]

Pretty sure the actor is Kevin Dunn...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242656/

Guy was the original choice to play George Constanza. Now THERE was a great career move on his part, turning that down.

Did he really turn down the part for Constanza? I still don't think anyone could of done Constanza better than Alexander. Though, Dunn did make an appearance in one of the early episodes of Seinfeld, titled "Male Unbonding".

[MariaII]

I think maybe the writers were purposefully yanking our chain, or maybe just giving a shout out to the theorists with Hurley's "another time" comment and Owl Creek Bridge. I think we can write off "It's all a dream" and "They're in a time warp" thanks to Hurley's 'Just kidding, Dude.'

[stvnhthr]

It sort of looked like Jin to me.

I thought it was Scott, or do I mean Steve?:)

[meshadowfax]

Can anyone Confirm? The weave of the hood looked like the weave of the material charlie was using to build his new lean to. Thats when I first suspected Charlie of being the one that attacked Sun.

And Locke was looking for more Film segments in the Book.

[Ozium88]

I noticed one of the books Locke took out was titled "Owl Creek Bridge." This is very likely "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge." This short story was the basis of a 1962 Oscar-winning French short film. It's about a Confederate soldier who is about to be hanged but the rope bridge. He flees and returns to his property, where he prepares to run into the arms of his wife. But before he reaches her, his neck snap backs violently and in the next shot, he is hanging from the noose. His mind just imagined the whole thing. It was actually re-edited and shown on television as an episode of The Twilight Zone in 1964. JJ is a big Rod Serling fan too.

I really wish people took the time to read Owl Creek, its only a few pages long, its a short story. If any actually bothered to read it you would see a glarring similarity between "the long con" and AOaOCB.

You are missing a huge point about AOaOCB, first off the person to be hanged was not a confederate soldier, Peyton Fahrquhar was a well to do planter, of an old and highly respected Alabama family. He was conned into thinking he should burn the owl creek bridge to help the south beat back the north. He was conned by a Norther soldier who was dressed like a confederate. The soldier Lied to peyton, he told him the north are rebuilding the railroads and any confederate caught tampering with the railroads would be killed. Peyton wanted to help the south win the war so he went on the soldiers assertion and went to burn the owl creek bridge, which the federal soldier said would burn easily and was practically unguarded.

[Ozium88]

If you notice When Sun is being kidnapped you can see Charlie's watch on his left wrist.

This wasn't a spoiler, it was blatantly obvious (almost like they purposely put a nice shine on that metal watch in post production), that combined with sawyer's chat with kate about how he would pick her over sun to escape from the others pretty much pointed you right to charlie. AL was a goofy distraction that shouldn't have fooled anyone.

I hope they don't spoon feed us hints like this, a challenge is what I like in this show and it seems the challenge is fading away to blatantly obvious clues. I hope they don't dumb it down for the masses.

I am still a little interested how charlie got to locke's gun stash. Locke seems to be the guy that has a knack for sneaking up on people, not the other way around, it almost goes without saying that locke should have been able to discern if someone was following him. Maybe his arguement with jack caused him to lose focus. It just seems strange that charlie has leet ninja skills now.

[Ozium88]

Does anyone recognize the man in the diner from anywhere else? Have we seen him in other episodes?

He was the amazingly clingy and annoying "Joel Horneck" from Seinfeld.

[TheHatchKeeper]

I can't believe no-one got this one yet...

When Hurley and Sayid are on the beach, listening to the radio, they are listening to "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller. So what? Well...

Glen Miller boarded a plane bound for France on December 15th 1944. It never reached it's destination. Glen Miller and his plane were never found.

Coincidence?

[foster_dawg]

I can't believe no-one got this one yet...

When Hurley and Sayid are on the beach, listening to the radio, they are listening to "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller. So what? Well...

Glen Miller boarded a plane bound for France on December 15th 1944. It never reached it's destination. Glen Miller and his plane were never found.

Coincidence?

I like your thinking. Good find! I definitely think there is a link. Maybe they'll meet Gleen Miller, or the body of him... No way, that would just be corny.

Anyway, I think it's real cool that Sawyer has come in contact with both Jack's father AND Kate's mother in his lifetime. Any thoughts about significance. I just think it proves his strong triangular bond with the two, that no matter how different they are or how much they dislike each other, they are bound by destiny.

[soulscreme]

I like your thinking. Good find! I definitely think there is a link. Maybe they'll meet Gleen Miller, or the body of him... No way, that would just be corny.

Anyway, I think it's real cool that Sawyer has come in contact with both Jack's father AND Kate's mother in his lifetime. Any thoughts about significance. I just think it proves his strong triangular bond with the two, that no matter how different they are or how much they dislike each other, they are bound by destiny.

What if Swayer is behind the whole thing? This is reaching, ALOT, but what if in reality Sawyer conned them all into this. What if he is the reason that everybody is there. He's never done a good thing in his life... what if he was the one responsible for getting all of the people on the plane... but Dharma/Hanso screwed him...

[TheHatchKeeper]

I like your thinking. Good find! I definitely think there is a link. Maybe they'll meet Gleen Miller, or the body of him... No way, that would just be corny.

Anyway, I think it's real cool that Sawyer has come in contact with both Jack's father AND Kate's mother in his lifetime. Any thoughts about significance. I just think it proves his strong triangular bond with the two, that no matter how different they are or how much they dislike each other, they are bound by destiny.

Well I don't think they're going to find Glen Miller on the island, but I do think it adds weight to the 'Philadelphia Experiment' theory, coupled with the fact that the marks on Rosseau's map make a triangle (as in Bermuda Triangle). I'm becoming more and more convinced that we're dealing in a 4th dimension.

[flowerfairy]

Anyway, I think it's real cool that Sawyer has come in contact with both Jack's father AND Kate's mother in his lifetime.

Am I having brain freeze? I honestly can't remember Sawyer having contact with Kate's dad. Help!!! When/how?

[TheHatchKeeper]

Am I having brain freeze? I honestly can't remember Sawyer having contact with Kate's dad. Help!!! When/how?

Reread your quoted post. :) It's Jack's dad, and Kate's mum. Kate's dad isn't mentioned.

[AshWalker]

I took Hurley's time comment as another jab at Lost Fanatics.

I like the Glen Miller thinking, if only as another witty choice of the writers.

[IDon'tKnow]

Am I having brain freeze? I honestly can't remember Sawyer having contact with Kate's dad. Help!!! When/how?

Read the post again. It isn't Kate's dad...it is her mum.

[umdxc]

Am I having brain freeze? I honestly can't remember Sawyer having contact with Kate's dad. Help!!! When/how?

read it again...JACKS dad, and KATES mom..

[flowerfairy]

Oh boy...the Benadryl is getting to me. Thanks for clearing it up. Now let me find a bag to put my head in! :o

sorry....

[Tirzan]

Waitress Diane is so similar to a Mulholland Drive scene!!! Also both name are Diane.

[nonyaeffingbiz]

Can anyone verify this (I saw it at Eonline message boards):

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Here's something that most people didn't catch:

When Sayyid got the French woman on the radio, he assumed it was the same looping message they had received before. It wasn't. The message did not loop, and translated said something along the lines of "I need help. Meet me at the Black Rock."

Interesting, no? If only they hadn't lost their only French translator.

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[Revo]

that makes sense after watching next ep's preview. nice catch.

[smartdust]

translated said something along the lines of "I need help. Meet me at the Black Rock."


I'm pretty sure the black rock wasn't mentioned, but it did say something like:

"je veux aider [something, something], non je peux"

Which is:

"I want to help [something something] I can not"

[Ozium88]

Can anyone verify this (I saw it at Eonline message boards):

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Here's something that most people didn't catch:

When Sayyid got the French woman on the radio, he assumed it was the same looping message they had received before. It wasn't. The message did not loop, and translated said something along the lines of "I need help. Meet me at the Black Rock."

Interesting, no? If only they hadn't lost their only French translator.

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This is what I have been trying to say all along, the way you hide a clue is to put it right there in the beginning of the scene then distract from it by concentrating the scene on something else; a red herring i.e. the Glenn Miller song. If you look at this thread, the deception worked, we got people ignoring the french transmission (interestingly enough, just like syid and hurley) and speculating it's some obscure alaskan coast guard 1940's radio station, lol.

We need the french lady's season one transmission translation, and this new season 2 transmission, put them side by side and check for discrepencies.

Waitress Diane is so similar to a Mulholland Drive scene!!! Also both name are Diane.

I always think of MD when I watch lost, I am glad someone else does to. AOaOCB is a similar story to MD with a deathbed experience.

[Fizikal]

Pretty sure the actor is Kevin Dunn...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242656/

Guy was the original choice to play George Constanza. Now THERE was a great career move on his part, turning that down.
I remember that guy from one episode in Seinfeld, and he gets in a scuffle with a waitress there about a chicken salad.. and in Lost he orders a chicken salad..

(and no i didnt steal this from the IMDB discussion, i thought of it myself)

[smartdust]

We need the french lady's season one transmission translation, and this new season 2 transmission, put them side by side and check for discrepencies.

All that will tell you is that it's different. We already know that.

It's icredibly hard to hear exactly what she's saying. The middle bit is muffled by crackle. We need someone who is very good at French I'd have thought.

[Ozium88]

FRENCH
TRANSMISSION from season 1 Not the Long con transmission
TRANSLATION

Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, ils sont morts, je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir, veuillez nous aider
If anybody can hear this, they are dead, I'll try to go to the Black Rock, Please help us.

Veuillez nous aider
Please help us.

Il est dehors, il est dehors et Brandon a pris les clés, Veuillez nous aider, Ils sont morts, ils sont tous morts
He (or it) is outside, he's (it's) outside, and Brandon took the keys, Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead.

Il sont morts, veuillez nous aider
They are all dead, help us...

Il est dehors, veuillez nous aider, veuiller nous aider
He's (it's) outside, please help us. PLEASE help us.

Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, Je lui ai dit d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir.
Veuillez nous aider, ils sont tous morts, il sont morts, il les a tués, il les a tués tous. Je lui ai dit d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir.
If anybody can hear this, I ask him (most probably not 'it') to go to the Black Rock.
Please help us, they are all dead, they are dead.
He (it) kill them, he (it) kill them all.
I ask him (most probably not 'it') to go to the Black Rock.





Does this look similar to the transmission from last night? They look similar? I don't have an exact of last nights so I can't compare.

All that will tell you is that it's different. We already know that.

It's icredibly hard to hear exactly what she's saying. The middle bit is muffled by crackle. We need someone who is very good at French I'd have thought.

I don't know if they are different, you assume they are already without the burden of proof. I posted the first season transcript, the last set of transmissions look awfully similar to the one hurley and syid picked up.

[smartdust]

I don't know if they are different, you assume they are already without the burden of proof. I posted the first season transcript, the last set of transmissions look awfully similar to the one hurley and syid picked up.

I can't see anything the the transcript you posted that could be confused for...

"je veux aider [something, something], non je peux"

Someone else posted that it might start "je peux vous aider", on second listening, he could well be right.

Either way it could not be confused for the first transmission.

[Girona]

Waitress Diane is so similar to a Mulholland Drive scene!!! Also both name are Diane.

Oh, I thought that too!
Mulholland Dr is such a weird film, it would make absolute sense to have some reference to it in Lost. :o

[budgeymom]

Can anyone verify this (I saw it at Eonline message boards):

-----
Here's something that most people didn't catch:

When Sayyid got the French woman on the radio, he assumed it was the same looping message they had received before. It wasn't. The message did not loop, and translated said something along the lines of "I need help. Meet me at the Black Rock."

Interesting, no? If only they hadn't lost their only French translator.

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I believe that Evangeline Lilly speak fluent French. Kate might just be hiding the fact for now.

[SaffronDust]

- Sawyer said "the devil's in the details" -- twice. What details are we missing? He made mention of the color and weave of the hood. That's pretty detailed.


Yeah, that's detailed all right, but he was conning Kate. That was the the main "theme" of this episode...Sawyer's flashback showed how much of a con man he was...and continued to be. He set up with Charlie to kidnap Sun, so he knew from the get-go that the hood was not the same as The Other's used on Kate. He merely planted that seed in her mind. In other words, his observation of the details of the hood were an act since he knew the whole time that it was Charlie that took Sun.

[Dr.SexyPants]

When Sawyer was trying to sell the necklaces to those two guys, I noticed that one of them (the one with the goatee) was the same guy who shot Ana-Lucia in "Collision" and who she shot after. Almost positive...can someone verify?

This is an interesting theory. Heres both of them.

Its sort of hard to tell but that was one of the better shots of the necklace buyers face. I am not convinced, their hair is different, but that doesn't always mean anything.

As far as Cassidy being Desmonds lady friend, I don't think they look the same at all. The noses are not exactly the same and infact are what looks the most different between the two, to me. Desmonds lady's nose is more turned up than Cassidy's at the end.

If that girl is ANYONE we have seen thus far I would say shes the woman who tried to adopt Claire's baby (when the pen wouldn't work). But that belongs in another thread.

[LissaMargaret]

So I know this is kind of stupid... but did you notice how sometimes when the characters were plotting something or were angry you could only see half of their face? And I know most of it was from lighting, but isn't there some kind of symbollism about showing 1/2 of the face= evil? or something like that? I know I've heard it before but can't quite remember....

[Brown]

caps of Kate's mom

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/ib9wink/20060211-181821.jpg

[ieatheartattacks]

- Sawyer said "the devil's in the details" -- twice. What details are we missing? He made mention of the color and weave of the hood. That's pretty detailed.
i'm sure i heard "it's all in the details". i know lost has been taking a religious turn lately, but i don't think they'd start a devil-plot here.

[hardercore]

i'm sure i heard "it's all in the details". i know lost has been taking a religious turn lately, but i don't think they'd start a devil-plot here.

Yup ...

TO KATE: "It's all in the details ... and they're wrong."
TO CASSIDY: "It's all in the details, Dimples ... we ain't going to get caught"

[sullivan826]

I can't see anything the the transcript you posted that could be confused for...

"je veux aider [something, something], non je peux"

Someone else posted that it might start "je peux vous aider", on second listening, he could well be right.

Either way it could not be confused for the first transmission.

That's really interesting if it is true! "je peux vous aider", translated is "i can help you". Maybe Rousseau is going to team up with the others...

[honestjoe]

last epsiode i asked if anyone could give me an EXACT definition of an Easter Egg, but to no avail. So i'm not sure this is an egg or not, but i will post it here anyway.

Did you notice Sawyer's backpack had the initials JS on it? That is not the bag he boarded the plane with. He had an over the shoulder bag on the plane, and this backpack -the one with the JS inititials is the kind with 2 straps worn over the back (like a real backpack).

I'm not sure how significant it is, but it confirms that there was definitely a J.S. (James Sawyer maybe?) on board the plane.


EDIT/UPDATE:
the one other possibility is that the initials belong to the name of the company that made the backpack (what are the chances it would be JS?) I checked and there is a backpack company named "Jansport", but they do NOT imprint "JS" on their back packs (i checked Ebay and glanced over 400 of the 960 jansport bags they have for sale).

[Louis]

Hi,
Don't know if this should be here but it is a reply about the manuscript Bad Twin. On the synopsis on Amazon there is a bloke called Paul Artson who is meant to be a "P.I."
Wasn't the bloke who was blownup by the dynamite at the Black Rock called Artz! The teacher????
Just a thought!!!

[monsieurgrand02]

Yup ...

TO KATE: "It's all in the details ... and they're wrong."
TO CASSIDY: "It's all in the details, Dimples ... we ain't going to get caught"

Sawyer called Kate "dimples" too when she gave him the magazine I think. Sawyer just can't get away from those nicknames.

[magdalene]

last epsiode i asked if anyone could give me an EXACT definition of an Easter Egg, but to no avail. So i'm not sure this is an egg or not, but i will post it here anyway.

Did you notice Sawyer's backpack had the initials JS on it? That is not the bag he boarded the plane with. He had an over the shoulder bag on the plane, and this backpack -the one with the JS inititials is the kind with 2 straps worn over the back (like a real backpack).

I'm not sure how significant it is, but it confirms that there was definitely a J.S. (James Sawyer maybe?) on board the plane.

That is interesting. Jack Shepard, maybe?

I would give you the definition of an Easter Egg, only I don't know it myself!

[Jordan17]

Did anyone catch the "obvious" cross in the flashbacks this episode? It was mentioned in the official ABC LOST podcast.

Yeah I saw it! Kates mother serving Sawyer in the café! Nice touch!

[monsieurgrand02]

I would give you the definition of an Easter Egg, only I don't know it myself!

And easter egg is basically a hidden item within a show or movie. Something that isn't very obvious to the naked eye.

[magdalene]

And easter egg is basically a hidden item within a show or movie. Something that isn't very obvious to the naked eye.

Thank you Thank you....:p

[NatashaK]

I know this has already been touched upon, but do you remember the episode when Locke gives his father his kidney? When Locke confronts his birth mother about what his father did, she said that it was his father's plan, and that she was told to tell Locke that he had no father. Locke's mother told him, "It had to be your idea." A long con planned out by Locke's father perhaps?

In this episode Sawyer tells Cassidy that in order to con people, they have to ask you to do something for them-in other words, it has to be their idea. Now I'm not familiar with how the whole con game works, but seems like Sawyer and Locke's father have similar techniques. I've read on other threads theories about Locke's father possibly being the real Sawyer, what do you all think?

[TheWindKeeper]

I've read on other threads theories about Locke's father possibly being the real Sawyer, what do you all think?


The possibility of them being brothers is interesting... There is a strange relationship between the too. Including the whole Locke only calling Sawyer James thing. Maybe just maybe Locke knows more about it then he wants to admit to the group.

[Argh]

I can't believe no-one got this one yet...

When Hurley and Sayid are on the beach, listening to the radio, they are listening to "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller. So what? Well...

Glen Miller boarded a plane bound for France on December 15th 1944. It never reached it's destination. Glen Miller and his plane were never found.

Coincidence?

And the author of An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Ambrose Bierce, disappeared mysteriously. One of the fictionalized explanations of his disappearance was chronicled in the comic book series Lost Planet.:eek: (http://www.biercephile.com/death.cfm)

Man -- I love this show! :)

[Lost-in-Idaho]

Did you notice Sawyer's backpack had the initials JS on it? That is not the bag he boarded the plane with. He had an over the shoulder bag on the plane, and this backpack -the one with the JS inititials is the kind with 2 straps worn over the back (like a real backpack).

I'm not sure how significant it is, but it confirms that there was definitely a J.S. (James Sawyer maybe?) on board the plane.


EDIT/UPDATE:
the one other possibility is that the initials belong to the name of the company that made the backpack (what are the chances it would be JS?) I checked and there is a backpack company named "Jansport", but they do NOT imprint "JS" on their back packs (i checked Ebay and glanced over 400 of the 960 jansport bags they have for sale).
It is a company's insignia. The first time i saw the JS on Kate's backpack during Exodus in the first season I thought that it was the Dharma symbol...but it's not. It is JanSport's insignia. Look at the attached picture of my friend's backpack.

[Crimson~]

YAY first post

hi er can I just point out that the radio message cant be new because no one speaks french if she wanted to leave a message for the lost guys to pick up she would do it in english

[Maximus]

During the episode 1x19 "Deuce Ex Machina", when John Locke realizes that his dad only wanted John's kidney he says: "How could he do this to me?!". His mother replies by saying: "He said it would have to be your idea."

And that got me thinking about the last episode 2x13 "The long con", when SAWYER was at the restaurant, we know that Kate's mom serves him. But the older man he was with that was his old 'partner' -- can we investigate if that was LOCKE'S father? I thought he looked like him, plus what Locke's biological mother said in episode 1x19.

Thanks a lot, great forum btw!
-Maximus

[dionysos76]

During the episode 1x19 "Deuce Ex Machina", when John Locke realizes that his dad only wanted John's kidney he says: "How could he do this to me?!". His mother replies by saying: "He said it would have to be your idea."

And that got me thinking about the last episode 2x13 "The long con", when SAWYER was at the restaurant, we know that Kate's mom serves him. But the older man he was with that was his old 'partner' -- can we investigate if that was LOCKE'S father? I thought he looked like him, plus what Locke's biological mother said in episode 1x19.

Thanks a lot, great forum btw!
-Maximus

The man who is Sawyer's partner in ep. 2.13 is Gordy played by Kevin Dunn. The man who is Locke's 'father' in ep. 1.19 is Anthony Cooper played by Kevin Tighe. I think the most prevalent theory as to the connection between James 'Sawyer' Ford and Anthony Cooper, who conned Locke out of his kidney, is that Cooper is the Sawyer who had an affair with and conned Sawyer's mom. This resulted in Saywer's dad killing her and committing suicide and Sawyer adopting the name of the man responsible. Meaning that the man Locke believed to be his father is the same man who ruined Sawyer's life.

[LOSTFOREVER]

The man who is Sawyer's partner in ep. 2.13 is Gordy played by Kevin Dunn. The man who is Locke's 'father' in ep. 1.19 is Anthony Cooper played by Kevin Tighe. I think the most prevalent theory as to the connection between James 'Sawyer' Ford and Anthony Cooper, who conned Locke out of his kidney, is that Cooper is the Sawyer who had an affair with and conned Sawyer's mom. This resulted in Saywer's dad killing her and committing suicide and Sawyer adopting the name of the man responsible. Meaning that the man Locke believed to be his father is the same man who ruined Sawyer's life.
can you repeat that in english so confusing

[ahkcasfm]

^^ I agree. I understood what he said, but i had to read it about 3 times.

"Cooper is the Sawyer who had an affair with and conned Sawyer's mom." - lol wtf

[dionysos76]

^^ I agree. I understood what he said, but i had to read it about 3 times.

"Cooper is the Sawyer who had an affair with and conned Sawyer's mom." - lol wtf


Maybe this explanation would better suit your level of english comprehension:

Sawyer's name not really Sawyer.....it James Ford

James Ford take name of Sawyer after con man called Sawyer

original Sawyer do bad things to little James 'Sawyer' Ford's mommy....con her, have affair

James 'Sawyer' Ford's daddy kill his mommy then himself because of con man Sawyer....make James mad and sad

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's "daddy" do bad thing to Locke in past, con Locke to give him a kidney

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy played by actor Kevin Tighe

Many people have guessed Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy = original con man Sawyer (maybe)

This mean Locke's daddy might have made James 'Sawyer' Ford's life not so good

James 'Sawyer' Ford's partner in diner in recent episode called Gordy

Gordy played by actor Kevin Dunn

Kevin Dunn is not Kevin Tighe

Gordy is not Locke's daddy

I hope that simplified my previous post. If I had the means here I'd make pictures in crayon with arrows since that might help.

[monsieurgrand02]

Actually, you've only succeeded in making it worse. Obviously english isn't your primary language. Proper English means complete sentences. You just chop it all up. If you can draw better, than I would definitely suggest your crayon idea.

[Mariusz Saint]

Hi,
Don't know if this should be here but it is a reply about the manuscript Bad Twin. On the synopsis on Amazon there is a bloke called Paul Artson who is meant to be a "P.I."
Wasn't the bloke who was blownup by the dynamite at the Black Rock called Artz! The teacher????
Just a thought!!!

Unlikely - the poor guy's name was Arzt, it means "doctor" in German :)

[Maximus]

The man who is Sawyer's partner in ep. 2.13 is Gordy played by Kevin Dunn. The man who is Locke's 'father' in ep. 1.19 is Anthony Cooper played by Kevin Tighe. I think the most prevalent theory as to the connection between James 'Sawyer' Ford and Anthony Cooper, who conned Locke out of his kidney, is that Cooper is the Sawyer who had an affair with and conned Sawyer's mom. This resulted in Saywer's dad killing her and committing suicide and Sawyer adopting the name of the man responsible. Meaning that the man Locke believed to be his father is the same man who ruined Sawyer's life.

Thanks a lot, I understood the first time and it confirmed quite a few things for me!

-Maximus

[shappy123]

Someone told me that the girl who picked the numbers for Hurley's lottery winning is the first girl Sawyer cons.

Anyone look into this yet? I wish I had the episodes to go back and check....

[ATHLETIC]

Actually, you've only succeeded in making it worse. Obviously english isn't your primary language. Proper English means complete sentences. You just chop it all up. If you can draw better, than I would definitely suggest your crayon idea.

English isnt his primary language...and whats the matteR?¿any problem?¿
I think he is within his rights to give his opinion.
By the way...I understood the first time as well,so perhaps you are the one who has a poor English.

[UltraHyperShadow]

Mary Jo was the lottery girl, and yes Sawyer conned her, but she wasn't his first con.

I picked up on that as well-Locke's father essentially Long Conned him, more convincing evidence that Anthony is actually Sawyer.

[monsieurgrand02]

English isnt his primary language...and whats the matteR?¿any problem?¿
I think he is within his rights to give his opinion.
By the way...I understood the first time as well,so perhaps you are the one who has a poor English.

I rest my case...anyways, we're discussing important LOST stuff. So enough of the bickering already.

[honestjoe]

It is a company's insignia. The first time i saw the JS on Kate's backpack during Exodus in the first season I thought that it was the Dharma symbol...but it's not. It is JanSport's insignia. Look at the attached picture of my friend's backpack.

Darnit! I was wrong! Pretty neat coincedence that James Sawyer is carrying a JanSport bag (since they both share the same initials). In my search i never did find a bag that had the JS initials across the front like the one Sawyer has. But thanks for pointing that out. Like Sawyer said, "the Devil is in the details..."

BTW- iwas gonna post a correction last night, but we were hit here in Virginia with a snow storm that took the power out for 6 hours...

[dionysos76]

Actually, you've only succeeded in making it worse. Obviously english isn't your primary language. Proper English means complete sentences. You just chop it all up. If you can draw better, than I would definitely suggest your crayon idea.

I intentionally made it worse for sarcastic effect. I simply didn't like the fact that my original response was picked at not for its content of information, but rather for what the readers perceived as poor grammar. So I went out of my way to show some really poor grammar. I see plenty of posts on here with poor punctuation, spelling, sentence structure, etc. and those posts aren't typically critiqued for grammatical flaws. It bothered me that mine had been singled out for that. I am glad that Maximus, the person who I was originally responding to, understood what I had to say the first time, and that it clarified things for him. Also, proper english does not allow for sentences to end in prepositions ("You just chop it all up."), and the word is 'then' not 'than' ("If you can draw better, than I would definitely suggest your crayon idea.").

[stunnedtina]

dionysus I agree with the fact that people shouldn't pick you. I understode what you said though I had to read it a couple of times or I think I did. Would have been easier for some though I think if you had not made it one paragraph.

But hey there are some on here that you can hardly wade through their enormously long post. LOL!

It appears that you are saying you do not agree with the theory that Locke's dad and Sawyer (that is to say the real Sawyer) being one and the same man. Am I right? If I am then I agree. I do not think they are the same.

[dionysos76]

dionysus I agree with the fact that people shouldn't pick you. I understode what you said though I had to read it a couple of times or I think I did. Would have been easier for some though I think if you had not made it one paragraph.

But hey there are some on here that you can hardly wade through their enormously long post. LOL!

It appears that you are saying you do not agree with the theory that Locke's dad and Sawyer (that is to say the real Sawyer) being one and the same man. Am I right? If I am then I agree. I do not think they are the same.

Actually, I do believe that the guy who conned Locke out of his kidney by saying he's his father could be the Sawyer who had an affair with James 'Sawyer' Ford's mom and conned her. The original Sawyer would have been older than James 'Sawyer's mom by 15 to 20 years or so, but it's not so far fetched for a woman to fall for an older man. Especially one who is a smooth talking con man. It seems likely to me because of the way all the characters keep having more and more connections in their backgrounds. And the fact that the old guy was able to dupe a usually pretty perceptive Locke out of a kidney. That shows that he'd be a con man of the caliber that the original Sawyer is purported to be. Just seems destined to be the connection between Sawyer and Locke.

[JeepMcMuddy]

Sawyer called Kate "dimples" too when she gave him the magazine I think. Sawyer just can't get away from those nicknames.
Actually the use of Nicknames is pretty common among con-men. You wouldn't want your con to fall apart by saying the wrong name, so they often pick a trait or feature and use it as a "pet" name. Much easier and safer to call someone by a pet name.

[TheHatchKeeper]

Maybe this explanation would better suit your level of english comprehension:

Sawyer's name not really Sawyer.....it James Ford

James Ford take name of Sawyer after con man called Sawyer

original Sawyer do bad things to little James 'Sawyer' Ford's mommy....con her, have affair

James 'Sawyer' Ford's daddy kill his mommy then himself because of con man Sawyer....make James mad and sad

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's "daddy" do bad thing to Locke in past, con Locke to give him a kidney

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy played by actor Kevin Tighe

Many people have guessed Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy = original con man Sawyer (maybe)

This mean Locke's daddy might have made James 'Sawyer' Ford's life not so good

James 'Sawyer' Ford's partner in diner in recent episode called Gordy

Gordy played by actor Kevin Dunn

Kevin Dunn is not Kevin Tighe

Gordy is not Locke's daddy

I hope that simplified my previous post. If I had the means here I'd make pictures in crayon with arrows since that might help.

What a lame, condescending, patronising post.

[Richie Rich]

seriously, can i see your technical drawings with crayons?:rolleyes:

its so amusing when im reading a post and it just falls apart into chaos.

like real life, i guess ppl will have attitude probs online as well.

[waikiki]

Maybe this explanation would better suit your level of english comprehension:

Sawyer's name not really Sawyer.....it James Ford

James Ford take name of Sawyer after con man called Sawyer

original Sawyer do bad things to little James 'Sawyer' Ford's mommy....con her, have affair

James 'Sawyer' Ford's daddy kill his mommy then himself because of con man Sawyer....make James mad and sad

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's "daddy" do bad thing to Locke in past, con Locke to give him a kidney

Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy played by actor Kevin Tighe

Many people have guessed Anthony Cooper a.k.a. Locke's daddy = original con man Sawyer (maybe)

This mean Locke's daddy might have made James 'Sawyer' Ford's life not so good

James 'Sawyer' Ford's partner in diner in recent episode called Gordy

Gordy played by actor Kevin Dunn

Kevin Dunn is not Kevin Tighe

Gordy is not Locke's daddy

I hope that simplified my previous post. If I had the means here I'd make pictures in crayon with arrows since that might help.
Shhh! guys hes special:D ;) he doesn;t know when to take a joke

[Jed]

I thought that was Rose. ???

I think he's going to be Bernard... Rose's husband.

[HaveANiceDay05]

So I guess the crash date is confirmed.

that's pretty interesting, since in "the hunting party" the dates on the x-ray that jack is looking at near the beginning is 2005! (i put that as a spoiler even though what i said occurred in a prior episode.) but that could be in agreement with the time warp scenario.

[Exie]

that's pretty interesting, since in "the hunting party" the dates on the x-ray that jack is looking at near the beginning is 2005! (i put that as a spoiler even though what i said occurred in a prior episode.) but that could be in agreement with the time warp scenario.
There has been a lot of discussion on your spoiler, but it's been determined to most likely be a prop error, but that doesnt mean that the plane didnt crash in 2005--it just means that the X-ray (actually CT scan) is not the deciding factor.

[LissaMargaret]

Dude if you look in the magazine, it says... and also I think oceanic-air.com says it as well.... I could be wrong though.

[Jed]

I have to think that the date is just a mistake. If you look there's also a hospital name (St Francis I think) that is a hospital in HI.

[just brandon]

last epsiode i asked if anyone could give me an EXACT definition of an Easter Egg, but to no avail. So i'm not sure this is an egg or not, but i will post it here anyway.

Did you notice Sawyer's backpack had the initials JS on it? That is not the bag he boarded the plane with. He had an over the shoulder bag on the plane, and this backpack -the one with the JS inititials is the kind with 2 straps worn over the back (like a real backpack).

I'm not sure how significant it is, but it confirms that there was definitely a J.S. (James Sawyer maybe?) on board the plane.


EDIT/UPDATE:
the one other possibility is that the initials belong to the name of the company that made the backpack (what are the chances it would be JS?) I checked and there is a backpack company named "Jansport", but they do NOT imprint "JS" on their back packs (i checked Ebay and glanced over 400 of the 960 jansport bags they have for sale).

But you have no idea of the age of that back pack. In fact, over 10 years ago when I was in highschool I did have a Jansport back pack that had the JS logo. It was very common at that time.

[TiredWings]

"it's all in the details", said by Sawyer twice in this episode

. could be whats called a "TELL" A "tell" is like when a running play on offense is going right in football, a down lineman will shift his weight to the right before the ball is snapped, or a pitcher licking his fingers before he throws a fastball. Im going to be on the lookout for him to say this in the future, and see if the con is on

TiredWings
I played way too much sports

[eriuskjbax]

I'm pretty sure the black rock wasn't mentioned, but it did say something like:

"je veux aider [something, something], non je peux"

Which is:

"I want to help [something something] I can not"

Hi ppl, i'm french, and the traduction for the message is :
we need help, we will try to reach the balck rock
nous avons besoin d'aide, je vais essayer d'atteindre le rocher noir

tchuss

[drifter]

I just wanted to point out that they might not of lost their only french translator. I know that in many (if not most) African countries French is the official language, so it's likely that Mr. Eko is completely fluent.

[Pauli27]

Hi ppl, i'm french, and the traduction for the message is :
we need help, we will try to reach the balck rock
nous avons besoin d'aide, je vais essayer d'atteindre le rocher noir

tchuss

Nice

It was really cool to see Kate's mum. I remembered her voice exactly. Does anyone else get reminded of Sabrina the teenage witch?:giggle:

[Belowen]

^ lol. Pauli I get that every time I see Kate's mum!

[Pauli27]

^ lol. Pauli I get that every time I see Kate's mum!

Aunt Helga wasn't it?

[Hollz127]

no, it was aunt zelda :P