Sawyer shoots at the bearded man but gets shot (bleeds)?!?!

[balthazar]

Did anyone else notice how strange it was when Sayer shot at the bearded man after he said "why don't you point the gun down!" and you hear the bullet bouce off/ rebound twice off something then suddenly Sawyer is bleading from his neck and the bearded man has vanished. What do you lot think happend because it could be that the bearded man had control over Sawyers bullet?? what do you think please add your opinions and theories............

[jcarr]

Watch closely. Sawyer never gets the shot off.

He is shot by one of the 'Others' covering Zeek as Sawyer starts to raise his weapon.

Zeek then says that it would be better if "we keep our hands at our sides" (or something like that).

[Worst Tiler]

Sawyer didn't shoot at the Bearded Guy, he raised his gun towards him and one of the Others in the jungle (who obviously had a gun) shot at Sawyer as a warning. At least, that's what I got out of it.

[balthazar]

but 1stly how could one of the Others shoot at sawyer and only graze him surely they would have killed him and 2ndly the Others werent revealed at that time so jack or sawyer would hav said where/who did that gun shot come from, it is more that they are looking for where the bearded man has gone then he just pops up again, its bizzare

[jcarr]

1stly the 'Other' in question is obviosly a very good shot.

2ndly Jack/Sawyer/Locke are all very smart guys. They would have assumed that there was a guy in the jungle with a gun. in fact, in Jack's case, he thought that there was only one guy in the jungle with a gun.

I don't remember Zeke 'disappearing' per-sey. After the shot, the guys look around to see what they can see. They then look back at Zeke, and he tells them to keep their hands at their sides.

[balthazar]

The Other would have to be an assasin with a sniper to be able to shoot someone in the neck and depiberatly only graze sawyer so he bleads. and when sawyer gets shot he stares deeply into the bearded mans eyes with anger he doesnt frantically look around paranoid theres someone else with a gun behind him.

[Captured]

I understand your question and I asked the same thing. But after viewing the tape about 10 times last night, I never saw Sawyer getting a shot off. I did hear the bullet bounce off something "solid" and the next scene was sawyer grabbing at his neck. Never saw Zeke fire his weapon or vanish. "We" assume it was a sniper because Jack asked the question.

[DouLou]

It didn't sound like a gunshot to me, but then again I'm not an expert on guns. I guess the most reasonable assumption was an Other shot at him with some sort of handmade device.

[Static Universe]

It didn't sound like a gunshot to me, but then again I'm not an expert on guns. I guess the most reasonable assumption was an Other shot at him with some sort of handmade devide.

Sawyer was obviously stabbed...

[Worst Tiler]

It didn't sound like a gunshot to me, but then again I'm not an expert on guns. I guess the most reasonable assumption was an Other shot at him with some sort of handmade devide.

Now that's an excellent idea. Maybe some kind of handmade slingshot or something?

We do know that they have guns, from the episode where they took Walt, but it would make more sense that they would be able to make a grazing shot on Sawyer with a slingshot or something similar rather than a gun.

[Mojave]

Sawyer was obviously stabbed...

You must have been on that other forum where they raised this exact point. They even have screencaps where you can clearly see something that looks like a knife, though it is mostly obscured by a leafy metallic thing.

[balthazar]

Mojave can you add the pictures id like to see them,

It is very strange though that scene it isnt as simple is some people are saying. there was a clear rebounding of something metal that rebounded twice of something and had been fired by a sound which sounded exactly like a gun shot.
then jack locke all look around in confusion as sawyer looks up with blood on his hands comming off his neck. What caused the rebounding sounds ??

[BigRedCube]

Mojave can you add the pictures id like to see them,

It is very strange though that scene it isnt as simple is some people are saying. there was a clear rebounding of something metal that rebounded twice of something and had been fired by a sound which sounded exactly like a gun shot.
then jack locke all look around in confusion as sawyer looks up with blood on his hands comming off his neck. What caused the rebounding sounds ??

nope....i just watched it again

Sawyer walks towards Beardo with gun raised....a bullet comes from somwhere behind beardo's right shoulder, grazes past Sawyer and then you can hear the bullet going through the folliage behind Sawyer (watch in slow motion with sound and you will also see this)

edit: and there is deffinately no knife or metallic object (i just zoomed in on each frame)

[xXislandXx]

ok this may seemkind of weird but you know the things that batman uses that are kind of like boomerangs but metal? Could it be something of that sort? And as for the rebounding noise, they were in the "other's" territory. Who is to say everything is really what it appears?

[BigRedCube]

ok this may seemkind of weird but you know the things that batman uses that are kind of like boomerangs but metal? Could it be something of that sort? And as for the rebounding noise, they were in the "other's" territory. Who is to say everything is really what it appears?

no....it was a gun plane and simple....watch it again, there is deffinately a gun shot

[xXislandXx]

Then the Losties are in big trouble because like balthazar said earlier the shooter would have to be really good if he was able shoot Sawyer and graze his neck , but not kill him, espically since he was moving at the time. There are two possible senarios here:

1) The shooter was intentionally shooting to wound and is therefore a very big threat to the Losties.

or

2) The shooter was told to shoot at any threat to Zeke and meant to kill Sawyer but instead only wounded.

I personally believe in the first because it is almost certain that they will have at least one gun and i seriously doubt they would put somebody that could hardly shoot in charge of the safety of Zeke. Thoughts?

[Sawybean]

the strange part is that, as usual, sawyer is fine 10 seconds later.

[BigRedCube]

the strange part is that, as usual, sawyer is fine 10 seconds later.

the guy is tough.....he pulled a bullet out of his shoulder with his fingers for crying out loud....a little graze is not going to phase him too much is it?

[Sawybean]

i just find it annoying that he is healthy enough to go on this long hike, like 1 day after nearly dying. :eh:

[xXislandXx]

very true a small graze isn't going to hurt him much but he has lost a ton of blood and should be very week after all, he has only been under a doctor's care for what two days now? and even if it didn't hurt to much, it would still cause him to most likely become dizzy or something along those lines.

[BigRedCube]

i just find it annoying that he is healthy enough to go on this long hike, like 1 day after nearly dying. :eh:

it's amazing what Adrenalyne can do to a body.....strong emotions (like revenge) can get the Adrenalyne flowing strongly too

[xXislandXx]

revenge and protection...don't forget that if he didn't go, someone else whould have to take his place and that someone whould most likely have been Kate

[joshzam]

ok this may seemkind of weird but you know the things that batman uses that are kind of like boomerangs but metal?

I believe word you're looking for is "Batarang"!

I like the fact that this was the SECOND time that Zeke's gang shot Sawyer and he is still around to tell the tale.

Try this one one for size: Upon first watching, my wife thought that the "line" that old Zeke drew in the dirt (the 'do not cross' line) actually represented an invisible wall - like a force field - and Sawyer's bullet bounced off this wall and hit him in the neck. I love my wife, but I also believe her to be insane.

[xXislandXx]

Try this one one for size: Upon first watching, my wife thought that the "line" that old Zeke drew in the dirt (the 'do not cross' line) actually represented an invisible wall - like a force field - and Sawyer's bullet bounced off this wall and hit him in the neck.

I actually think this makes sense cuz we didn't really hear a second gunshot, just the echo of Saywer's. And the Others could quite possible make a line that only one of them could cross, I like that theory a whole lot. It could explain quite a few things.

[balthazar]

it quite certainly is a possibility, anything is possible on this island!!!! and it would make more sense because then it would be a shard of bullet that rebounded and grazed Sawyer's neck rather than some incredible M.I.5 agent, assasin with a sniper being able to deliberatly only graze Sawyers neck EVEN WHEN HE WAS MOVING AROUND !!!!!

[Henry James]

I like the fact that this was the SECOND time that Zeke's gang shot Sawyer and he is still around to tell the tale.


Or,... Sawyer is the MOLE. Even further fishy since Locke brings up why Sawyer is using a different name. I keep trying to think of a mole and keep thinking of people we haven't seen backstory for where they actually got on the plane.

[BrandyRena]

They showed Sawyer walking on the plane in the exodus ( I think that was it ) episode where they showed a bunch of them on the plane.

[Henry James]

Haven't watched some of the older epis in forever,... thanks for humoring my lucid theory.

[Risky]

I actually think this makes sense cuz we didn't really hear a second gunshot, just the echo of Saywer's
How many times does this have to be cleared up? jcarr got it right in the 2nd post to this thread: Sawyer never fires! He simply points his gun more agressively at Zeke and an other shoots him (bullet grazes him) as a warning.

If your eyes are that easily decieved perhaps you should relax on theorising.

I'll half-agree with your second point though, I believe Zeke was referring to a physical line, not a methaphorical one. Though I don't think anything is protecting this line than the Others themselves.

[dcstealth]

Sawyer never fired, and if they say he did, then a guy in sound affects needs to be fired. The shot was from a small caliber weapon, like a 22, not a 9mm or 45.

[xXislandXx]

Then like I said before, the Losties are in serious trouble. Someone would have to be a really good shot or a really poor shot to hit Sawyer where they did. For the survivors sake, I hope the second it true.

[James Rieper]

Actually the ear thing didn't bug me quite so much because there is a parallel in Watership Down, the book Sawyer has been reading, and I think the writers are trying to suggest a little of what might being going on with the Others by borrowing from the novel.
When the good rabbits in the book have their first confrontation with the rabbits of the neighbouring warren, Woundwort, the hulking, demented leader of the bad rabbits, tears Bigwig's ear. It's a similar scene -- the losties are being held captive by others who seem to be part of a fascist or dystopic society, but one that is much stronger.

[xXislandXx]

Actually the ear thing didn't bug me quite so much because there is a parallel in Watership Down, the book Sawyer has been reading, and I think the writers are trying to suggest a little of what might being going on with the Others by borrowing from the novel.
When the good rabbits in the book have their first confrontation with the rabbits of the neighbouring warren, Woundwort, the hulking, demented leader of the bad rabbits, tears Bigwig's ear. It's a similar scene -- the losties are being held captive by others who seem to be part of a fascist or dystopic society, but one that is much stronger.

Oh man, I didn't even realize that and I even read that book last year. You are completely right. Something is being suggested by that book. But the good news is that if they go by that storyline, the Losties will win. But alot of interesting stuff is going to happen first.

[James Rieper]

They seem to be just borrowing from the book, as opposed to stricly adhering to it, so I would be surprised to see things jibe between the two more than every once in a while. And here I think this had to be reinterpreted as a gunshot. If Zeke had actually walked over and cut part of Sawyer's ear off, Sayer would have gone "Boy Named Sue" all over him.

[combatcasey]

anybody with half an eye and a scope coulda pulled that shot...it was sombody in the jungle..


FINALLY!! sombody besides me notices the parrelel of watership down...the "this is our island" line is practicly straight from it. The whole getting forced out, the characters...all of it lines up! Thank you!

[FeelLikeANut]

Why is it everytime there's a gun shot someone comes out proclaiming "ricochet off a force field"!!! You people watch too much Star Trek. Give it a break. An Other shot at Sawyer. It really is that simple.

[johnny_sack]

Why is it everytime there's a gun shot someone comes out proclaiming "ricochet off a force field"!!! You people watch too much Star Trek. Give it a break. An Other shot at Sawyer. It really is that simple.

Agree whole heartedly.

Also to really put this to rest I read on the fusalage.com today a confirmatino that an Other shot Sawyer to prevent him from shooting. Just as we all thought.

[Marley]

I hate you all cuz now I gotta go re-read that book. Been over a decade since I read it. All I remember is that its about bunnies. LOL :confused:

[xXislandXx]

Also to really put this to rest I read on the fusalage.com today a confirmatino that an Other shot Sawyer to prevent him from shooting. Just as we all thought.

Okay, well that helps alot, but it still doesn't put to rest the errie similarity between Watership Down and The confrontation in the clearing.

[Risky]

anybody with half an eye and a scope coulda pulled that shot...it was sombody in the jungle..
It wasn't a bad shot, they meant to miss, and missing but grazing like that is definately not something 'anybody' could do. It would have been far easier just to shoot Sawyer in the arm.

[xXislandXx]

Yeah but would that have stopped him? I believe that they shot him in the next because it would prove that they are very serious. And it draws another connection with Watership Down.