Bearded Man

[Lost & Found]

The boatman? What do you guys think? Sounds like him, looks like him.

[d_l0st]

I agree...sounded exactly like him, not to mention the beard...it's defiantely him.

[GodrockDJ]

The boatman? What do you guys think? Sounds like him, looks like him.
Agreed. Bluebeard has returned

[AmyHI]

Yeah definetly!

[Lost & Found]

We'll have to wait for the commercial to end. Best episode yet!! Of course, every episode is good.

[LoganT]

I almost s-it myself when I heard his voice.

[get it?]

do u think it has anything to do with the french lady??......is that her husband??....just a guess

is he related to jon.......is that the his co worker that said he couldnt do anything???........how did he know his name?

[Lost & Found]

Walt is fine? Micheal wont be bothering us? We'll make a line? ALEX!! Did he just say Alex?

[Lits]

His face is messed up! It almost looks bruised!

[get it?]

Zeke?.....how does saywer know him??

[Lost & Found]

Just another one of his nicknames I would assume.

Wonder if there were others for every flame/torch or one lit all. That was probably one of the creepiest things to happen in LOST Season 2.

EDIT: now we just need to find Walt and Micheal

[AmyHI]

I think that Sawyer heard his name back on the raft

[M4573R51337]

yeah, he definatly said alex. And the Castaways are definatly outnumbered by the others we saw today.

edit: You arn't the davidj from gearbox are you? I see you viewing this thread

[d_l0st]

Yeah he said, Alex bring her out!

Hmm...

[scott]

I think Zeke may have been one of Sawyers "pet names"

[get it?]

Thats the french lady's crew!!!!!!

[MenacE]

what the hell? the losties should have asked tons more questions.

[rheta]

Alvar Hanso was the smarter man that said - From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

The others must be the scientists!

[Lost & Found]

Hmm.. if Sawyer heard the guys name, we would know probably...

Wonder how "Zeke" (Im going to call him that now) got the boat, and now that we're pretty sure that the lady on the boat is Alex.. I think Alex and the others Boat have something to do with each other.

What about Ethan, did you think Zeke knew about Ethan or was he a different Other.

"We let you be on this island" Why would the others want them to be on the island? Are they past DHARMA workers who cant take it any more so they make other planes crash so the survivors could worry about it?

Alvar Hanso was the smarter man that said - From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

The others must be the scientists!

Nice find, so they do have something to do with DHARMA.. or Alvar atleast

EDIT: I double posted, SORRY!

[razgriz]

I hate the bearded man. If he ever comes close to Kate again, he is finished!

Sorry.:D Had to vent my rage.

[get it?]

the patients daughters name!!!!..............gabriela........the french lady......gabriela.....any connection?....or coincidence?

[cmeisenzahl]

Definitely looks like him, gotta be him!

Was he referring to the hatch and underground rooms?

Now I'm even more curious than before! ;-)

Chris
http://amateureconblog.blogspot.com/

[Lost & Found]

I dont think he said anything about the hatch (or did he?)

And "get it?" the french ladies name is Danielle

[FeelLikeANut]

Ya know, we really didn't hear anything we didn't know already. The only bit that draws any attention from the episode was mention of the name Alex—Rousseau's son.

I dont think he said anything about the hatch (or did he?)I think it was implied: Zeek stared hard at Locke when saying "...opening doors to places you don't belong..."

[M4573R51337]

Alvar Hanso was the smarter man that said - From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

The others must be the scientists!
Opening doors that arn't yours...

[whoa_its_jenny]

Zeke?.....how does saywer know him??
i was also thinking that sawyer knows him......it doesn't sound like it's a nickname 2 me...

[Worst Tiler]

I think we learned some interesting stuff tonite with the bearded man:

1. He called for Alex. I think that was Danielle's daughter (haven't we all been waiting for her to show up again anyway?)

2. He made it clear that he wanted his part of the island isolated, and that his group wanted nothing to do with the survivors. He said, you live on this island because we let you live on it. He draws a boundary, here's the line, cross it and they'll be trouble. This definitely doesn't sound like the Others that go stealing people in the middle of the night. If anything, he wants to keep his people separated from the survivors.

3. His comments about visitors opening rooms they shouldnt, eating someone else's food, putting their feet up on the sofa, etc, were all pretty clear references to the other hatch. He didn't seem very happy about it. So did they want to keep Desmond down there? Does he want them to vacate it now and not hit the button? Does he even care about the button?

4. his quoting Alvar Hanso - obviously they look at him as a "great man", so he is something like the leader. is he on the island somewhere too?

[andrewbash]

I think all the Others are people who were once assigned to hatch duty.

[dcstealth]

So, Why didn't Sawyer shoot him at the sound of his voice? And why didn't they bring any of the tactical weapons?
And why did they actually go back, when the next morning they could see who they were dealing with?
I think he is a researcher, still controlling a partially functioning station.
Remember, he did have access to a boat with gas motors and gasoline.
And They left the hatch and guns to be found by the survivors, so they don't have that much power.

[palvar]

If Zeke wants them to leave the island so badly, maybe he should stop blowing up their rafts.

[UConnBigO]

I think we all have that feeling like alvar hanso will be on the show. either the show ends with alvar hanso flying in on a helicopter, or hes some grizzled old man on the island

[sucko]

i was also thinking that sawyer knows him......it doesn't sound like it's a nickname 2 me...

it's a nickname based on the guy's beard.

[M4573R51337]

This brings back more questions if Mr. Friendly is Gerald Degroot.

If he is the leader, maybe he put people on a button shift in the hatch, and kelvin, one of the others, found desmound, and brought him to the hatch, where the other person on hatch duty escaped up through the hatch back door locke found(hence there being a trail that locke followed to the swam)

[jollyrancher418]

Ya know, we really didn't hear anything we didn't know already. The only bit that draws any attention from the episode was mention of the name Alex—Rousseau's son.


Alex is Danielle's daughter, not son.

I don't think he's Mr. DeGroot; I think he was either a scientist, or a test subject.

[andrewbash]

Locke should have pulled out his two pistolls and shot all the others "Matrix style"

[Lostgrl14]

What did "Zeke" say happened to Michael. I don't think the gunshots we heard were his. I think the gunshots were from Kate trying to fight off the others. As stupid as she may be she isnt stupid enough not to take a gun with her.

[SunBurnedPenguin]

I thought "Zeke's" voice sounded pretty dang close to Jack's father's voice. Did anyone else catch that?:p

[stunnedtina]

"Zeke" didn't say where Michael was. I don't know if he knew where Michael was or not. Didn't sound like it though.

I think that "zeke" was another of Sawyer's nicknames.

And I too think they may be the scientist or people who were stationed in the Hatches.

[AdversePlaceboFX]

it's a nickname based on the guy's beard.

:confused: Please clarify. I'm clueless here ... is there some reference/connection between the name "Zeke" and some famous bearded man that we are supposed to know?

[djmoose]

Just another one of his nicknames I would assume.

Wonder if there were others for every flame/torch or one lit all. That was probably one of the creepiest things to happen in LOST Season 2.

EDIT: now we just need to find Walt and Micheal

If you look closely when the torches light up...there is an "other" at each torch hunching over.

[ashla]

:confused: Please clarify. I'm clueless here ... is there some reference/connection between the name "Zeke" and some famous bearded man that we are supposed to know?

that's what i wanna know.
i feel like if it was a beard reference, it would've been something most people would get, like Grizzly (Adams) or even Hadrian (Roman emperor).


while looking up stuff on beard, though, i found out it's illegal for boxers to have beards.
craziness!!

[FeelLikeANut]

Alex is Danielle's daughter, not son.Alex is referred to as a "he" in Season 1 Solitary.

[Mrniceguy45]

hey heres my 2 cents on what happened...remember in last episode when michael had his conversation with what the writers want us to believe is walt...well my guess is that it wasnt walt because of some clues they gave us tonight...when the screen cut off when michael was talkin to walt it seemed like walt was telling him where to go...but it was the others and they were telling michael to go someplace that was false, they tricked him. That is why when jack asked where michael was, Zeke replied
he wont find us here.

also i would also like to hear what people think about why the survivors are not allowed to cross that "line"...seems like they are hidin something and not want anyone to see it

[Jabothehutt]

Please clarify. I'm clueless here ... is there some reference/connection between the name "Zeke" and some famous bearded man that we are supposed to know?

"Zeke" is just a name Sawyer gave him because he looks like someone that's been held up in a cabin in the mountains for awhile. He sort of looks like the unibomber.

[ashla]

Alex is referred to as a "he" in Season 1 Solitary.
yeah, by Sayid.
not Danielle, who'd know better. she never mentions her kid's gender.

edit:
nevermind, she totally calls her a girl in Exodus Part I

Danielle: 6 of us - my team, 6. At that time I was already 7 months pregnant. I delivered the infant myself. The baby and I were together for only 1 week when I saw black smoke - a pillar of black smoke 5 kilometers inland. That night they came - they came and took her - Alex. They took my baby. And now, they're coming again. They're coming for all of you.

[FeelLikeANut]

Yeah, but this is still TV with writers. What would be the point of giving Sayid a line that references the wrong gender? And why wouldn't Rousseau have corrected him? I think we have fairly good reason to assume Alex is a "he" and no reason to suspect "she".

Edit (to your edit):

Yup, she does say "her" there. Guess I was wrong.

[namejko]

:confused: Please clarify. I'm clueless here ... is there some reference/connection between the name "Zeke" and some famous bearded man that we are supposed to know?

This may be a stretch but Zeke Craddock (aka Zeke Manners) was in the original Beverly Hillbillies music group.

http://www.westernmusic.org/HallOfFamefiles/BeverlyHillbillies.html

From the above website you can read about the Beverly Hillbillies:

"In 1930 Glen Rice, station manager of KMPC, 'discovered' in the hills of Beverly an enclave of rural folks who embodied old-time music styles and were a treasure house of bygone songs and performance. His premise was reinforced by having the group ride out of the hills on wagons and mules, decked out in rural garb."

Additionally, Zeke inparticular later took his "rustic drawl east" as a comedian.

I know this is all a bit of stretch, but no more than Sawyer KNOWING the guy!?! Additionally, Sawyer always calls it as he sees it and the Hillybilly look of the bearded man simply prompted the nickname.

[ashla]

semi-pointless reply, but
Yeah, but this is still TV with writers. What would be the point of giving Sayid a line that references the wrong gender? And why wouldn't Rousseau have corrected him? I think we have fairly good reason to assume Alex is a "he" and no reason to suspect "she".
because it would go with what anyone assumed when they heard "Alex" - i'd say 90+% assumed Alex was a boy right away, because of the name.

so that it is twice as shocking when we find out Alex is a girl, i guess.

[beachcomberjim]

So, Why didn't Sawyer shoot him at the sound of his voice? And why didn't they bring any of the tactical weapons?
And why did they actually go back, when the next morning they could see who they were dealing with?
I think he is a researcher, still controlling a partially functioning station.
Remember, he did have access to a boat with gas motors and gasoline.
And They left the hatch and guns to be found by the survivors, so they don't have that much power.

prolly cause they had a gun to Kates neck, and they didnt want to get anyone killed!!!!

[AdversePlaceboFX]

"Zeke" is just a name Sawyer gave him because he looks like someone that's been held up in a cabin in the mountains for awhile. He sort of looks like the unibomber.

Thanks. That was my initial impression as well. With most of his nicknames , it's been pretty easy to spot the reference. I didn't see one here. so I was quick to second guess myself figuring I had missed some obvious/logical connection.

[ashla]

so as far as Zeke goes, either it is his name & Sawyer knows him from before, which ould partially explain his reasons for hunting down Michael other than having sort of bonded with him - he wants to see if they run into the man who shot him, a man he already knew somehow. does that make sense?


going with the semi-biblical theme of the show, Zeke could be a reference to the prophet Ezekiel. This is most likely a stretch that Sawyer would make this connection, but it's more likely that it was an intentional naming on the part of the writers.

During the same time that Jeremiah was a prophet to the people in Judea, Ezekiel was a prophet to the already exiled Israelites in Babylon. Ezekiel's message was the same as Jeremiahs; he foretold the ruin of the homeland, the destruction of Solomon's temple, judgement, and eventual renewal as God would bring a remnant back to the promised land. During this time, Nebuchadnezzar was rising to great power as Babylon overthrew the Assyrian empire and later came to destroy Jerusalem and Judea. Ezekiel was taken to Babylon. The study of this book yields some new dimensions of theology, which are still applicable today. Some of these are: God is the same across time (transcendent), judgement is certain for sin, individuals are responsible for their actions, and finally restoration is available for true believers in the Messiah.


no, wait, probably def. on purpose:

Ezekiel 25-32:32 (New International Version)


Ezekiel 25

A Prophecy Against Ammon

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against the Ammonites and prophesy against them. 3 Say to them, 'Hear the word of the Sovereign LORD. This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because you said "Aha!" over my sanctuary when it was desecrated and over the land of Israel when it was laid waste and over the people of Judah when they went into exile, 4 therefore I am going to give you to the people of the East as a possession. They will set up their camps and pitch their tents among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk. 5 I will turn Rabbah into a pasture for camels and Ammon into a resting place for sheep. Then you will know that I am the LORD. 6 For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because you have clapped your hands and stamped your feet, rejoicing with all the malice of your heart against the land of Israel, 7 therefore I will stretch out my hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will cut you off from the nations and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the LORD.' "

[Romans 10]

"Zeke" is just a name Sawyer gave him because he looks like someone that's been held up in a cabin in the mountains for awhile. He sort of looks like the unibomber.

Maybe Sawyer got his mythology mixed up and meant to call him Zeus

[robwebertoo]

this may be a stretch as well, but...

God says to Ezekiel in Ezekiel 5:1

"As for you, son of man, take a sharp sword; take and use it as a barber's razor on your head and beard. Then take scales for weighing and divide the hair."

from Wikipedia: Ezekiel is a prophet who was instructed to act his prophesies. He was a prophet who loved drama and songwriting unlike the other prophets. He would sometimes do unbelievable things such as taking a potter's flask and smashing it to symbolize that Jerusalem will be destroyed and the people in Jerusalem will be scattered to the winds.

[FeelLikeANut]

as far as Zeke goes, either it is his name & Sawyer knows him from beforeFrom what I can tell, Zeke (or Zeek? anyone with CC have a correct spelling?) is the man from the boat, so Sawyer does know him, but we never got his name, so "Zeke" is a nickname of Sawyer's.

[HighFidelity815]

In reference to Ashla's post, I think that was a very cool find. I really have no familiarity with the Bible, having not read much in a very long time, but the verse in Ezekiel 25-32:32, would it perhaps have anything to do with the new combination Locke made for the gun safe? I know it starts with 25, but that's about all I'm going on, so it probably has no meaning at all. What do you think?

[silverbugeye]

Zeke is a name for a Fat Redneck Hillbilly...

And he looks like Zeke...

Its like trying to specualte on the Mr Clean remark...

He could have called him Jed or something too

[combatcasey]

umm...no....duh? :P

Honestly he looked like santa claus :P

[GirlsOnFire]

I thought "Zeke's" voice sounded pretty dang close to Jack's father's voice. Did anyone else catch that?:p

I thought it sounded close too especially when he said almost the same words Jack's father said to him about there being a line and that Jack wouldn't cross it.

[AbsolutelyCurtains]

I was reading something in a mysapce forum....someone said they heard the Beard guy say "give her to me Alex", to whoever was holding Kate.
I heard nothing of the sort. But I also do not listen well.

Does anyone know exactly what the dialog was?

[lavenhous]

The bearded man's quoute about curiosity is from Alvar Hanso himself. It can be found at http://www.thehansofoundation.org/


So he is part of Dharma in some way.

[dwacker]

First off, I think "Zeke" looked surprised when Sawyer said his name. Maybe Sawyer knows more than we think he does? OR he recognized "Zeke" and that freaked him out?!

Second, I think Ethan was with Rouseau, right? I mean, he took Claire and then Rouseau clawed her (in Claire's memory), so maybe Ethan and Rouseau are tight OR Rouseau is part of the whole plan?

Finally on the Hanso website for a while there was some printout about long-lived chimps. With the whole 'this is our island', you just got here thing, I wonder if The Others have been trapped for a long, long time. If they are not working for the scientists, are more like slaves to them, maybe they will join forces with Jack and Co. and overturn the whole island! :)

[The Swan King]

argh he recognized Zeek which was mindblowing.

[NYCorBUSTL]

In that conversation with Zeke, it seemed to me his quote of Alvar Hanso, and his "Well, that is an interesting theory" quote is like a "wink" from the writers stating "We are watching you".

I just thought that was quite interesting, and funny. And most people who watch the show only, non-internet junkies, are like "who said that" and didn't quite 'get it'.

[hex2001]

i think that the others are the children of former nazis. when the nazis left germany some of them went to the island and not south america. the others are now the children living on the island. zeke was holding a luger to kate's head.

[grey real steam]

i dont think danielle is part of the "others" because they took her kid, alex.

[Mr.Eko1987]

First off, I think "Zeke" looked surprised when Sawyer said his name. Maybe Sawyer knows more than we think he does? OR he recognized "Zeke" and that freaked him out?!

Second, I think Ethan was with Rouseau, right? I mean, he took Claire and then Rouseau clawed her (in Claire's memory), so maybe Ethan and Rouseau are tight OR Rouseau is part of the whole plan?

Finally on the Hanso website for a while there was some printout about long-lived chimps. With the whole 'this is our island', you just got here thing, I wonder if The Others have been trapped for a long, long time. If they are not working for the scientists, are more like slaves to them, maybe they will join forces with Jack and Co. and overturn the whole island! :)
Hope so, that will make it easier on Jacks and the others.

i dont think danielle is part of the "others" because they took her kid, alex.
Maybe she doesnt know that. She may not even know what she looks like. She could be working for them, I dont think so, but not even know it is her daugther.

[Evilrabbit]

Oh my god the part with the bearded man was so creepy!

And I don't think we should keep calling him Zeke because that's just one of Sawyer's nicknames. His official name, according to ABC cast lists, is Mr. Friendly.

He is definitely the man on the boat because he has the same voice, appearance, and is played by the same actor, M.C. Gainey.

He definitely referenced Alex, who seems to be one of them now, doing as they say. I gasped (a huge gasp) when he said Alex and then again when Kate came out as a hostage! That was freaky! If Claire hadn't escaped, I think Aaron would some day in the future be fulfilling the same role.

I recognised the Alvar Hanso quote before he had even finished saying it! This definitely suggests that the others are affiliated with the Dharma people. I wonder whether they are just living on the island because they have nowhere else to go (i.e. they're in trouble with the law or have made enemies back in civilization) or if the Dharma initiative is still operational in some way and they are the ones running it.

I was a bit angry when he said the thing about how this was their island and they had no right being there. If I was there I would have said " Where exactly are we supposed to go, the ocean? We didn't chose to come here, we were in a plane crash! Wouldn't we be being stupid if we didn't try to find out as much as we could about the island if it would help us survive? If you don't want us here, maybe you should think about NOT BLOWING UP OUR RAFTS!" lol:mad:

Was it just me, or did Mr. Friendly have no idea what Jack was talking about when he mentioned Ethan? Is Ethan part of a separate group? Maybe I was just imagining things.

I liked the thing about Jack and the others needing to stay behind the line, because it parallels what happened in Jack's past. His father told him not to cross the line, and I think he was talking about not becoming too attached to patients and their family, and Jack didn't listen, and that caused his marriage to fall apart. But this time he did the right thing and surrendered and so Kate was saved. Also Jack and Locke's conversation about whether to turn back paralleled Jack's conversation with Gabriella about turning back and not doing the surgery.

I can't wait to hear more about bearded man, he has the answers we are looking for!

[grey real steam]

i think that mr friendly is the professor from the video, why would they make him have such a big bierd!? plus how else would he know about the quote

[cubunit]

I think all the Others are people who were once assigned to hatch duty.
very possible...I like it

[Ole Smokey]

:confused: Please clarify. I'm clueless here ... is there some reference/connection between the name "Zeke" and some famous bearded man that we are supposed to know?

Zeke is one of those generic hillbilly type names like Clem or Goober or Jethro. Hillbillies often have long grubby beards

[Warren]

Just out of curiousity and sort of off topic but isn't "Alex" spelled "Alix" in French? Anybody know? I mean its the same name either way I was just curious if anybody had heard this before.

[fblanco]

I thought "Zeke's" voice sounded pretty dang close to Jack's father's voice. Did anyone else catch that?:p
yeah that is definetly the first thing i thought

on a seperate note i like zeke a lot more than mr friendly

[dwacker]

I am sure this has been talked to death in some other forum somewhere, but, if Ethan took Claire for Claire's baby, and Claire remembered Rouseau fighting with her, then who the heck was Ethan working for?! Were Ethan and Rouseau together or did Claire somehow escape from Ethan and get caught by Rouseau?! It is unlikely that she would have gotten away without him wanting her to. If Mr. Friendly didn't recognize the name Ethan (I am not 100% convinced that he didn't know Ethan, but was prcoessing Jack's odd train of thought when he paused in tonight's episode), then maybe Ethan is from another faction? Maybe he was sent directly from the scientists?! I guess I should explain my island theory...

Due to the reference to BF SKinner, I think the island is a sociological experiment. There are also other experiments going on there (see shark with insignia, hatch, hanso foundation website, polar bears, etc.). I think the folks from the plane were sent there for punishment of some kind. Lots of them have criminal pasts - maybe all of them and we just don't know it yet?! Perhaps they were deposited there specifically (no real plane wreck?!). Assuming the plane wreck was real, perhaps there were a few innocents aboard?! They were quickly taken away by the others. Remember when the whathisname Other told Anna Lucia that the guy he killed wasn't on the list and was bad man or something like that? Anyway, the innocents were taken away from the prison/sociological experiment island.

Now, as far as the Others go, I think they are the eugenics experiment (see Hanso Foundation website). It makes sense. They are super smart and wily and physically graced. I think they are the grunts for the scientists on the island. Either they are slaves to or are given dominion over the island from the scientists running the experiment. They are like the prison guards, but live in the prison. The bearded guy is like the head dog and knows some of what the scientists are doing (Walt comments tonight).

This all culminates in tonight's episode. Michael was obviously lured to Walt. Perhaps Walt wouldn't play along with The Others unless he could be reunited? Perhaps Michael "wouldn't find us (The Others)" because he was headed somewhere else on island - where Walt is under scientific observation?! That would explain why Jack et al, but not Michael were turned away from continuing onward. When Michael shows up again, I think we will learn a lot more about The Others.

There is more brewing in my head, but I think I risk going way off into left field if I continue...

[Sharkiedo]

Did Sawyer say that "Zeke" was the one who shot him on the boat? Im 100% sure it was one of those other 2 guys :confused:

[Myb]

Hmm.. if Sawyer heard the guys name, we would know probably...

Wonder how "Zeke" (Im going to call him that now) got the boat, and now that we're pretty sure that the lady on the boat is Alex.. I think Alex and the others Boat have something to do with each other.

What about Ethan, did you think Zeke knew about Ethan or was he a different Other.

"We let you be on this island" Why would the others want them to be on the island? Are they past DHARMA workers who cant take it any more so they make other planes crash so the survivors could worry about it?

The woman on the boat looked way to old to be Danielle's daughter. If we are to believe the transmission Danielle has bene on the island for 16 years, that would make Alex 16 not 40 or 50 (which is the approximate age of the boatie other that threw the bomb on the raft).

I dont think he said anything about the hatch (or did he?)

And "get it?" the french ladies name is Danielle


Zeke (or Bluebeard whatever you want to call him) referred to "opening door that should be left shut" or something like that. He looked right at Locke. That was a reference to opening the hatch I am sure.

[Blind]

Did Sawyer say that "Zeke" was the one who shot him on the boat? Im 100% sure it was one of those other 2 guys :confused:

I agree with you. There were three people I saw on the boat, beardman, the lady, and another man. I thought the unnamed man shot sawyer.

The woman on the boat looked way to old to be Danielle's daughter. If we are to believe the transmission Danielle has bene on the island for 16 years, that would make Alex 16 not 40 or 50 (which is the approximate age of the boatie other that threw the bomb on the raft).


She is probably one of the Degroots? ;)

[Myb]

so as far as Zeke goes, either it is his name & Sawyer knows him from before, which ould partially explain his reasons for hunting down Michael other than having sort of bonded with him - he wants to see if they run into the man who shot him, a man he already knew somehow. does that make sense?




I dont' think so, I think Zeke is another nick name like "Chuy, Pilsburry, Han, Dr. Quinn etc..."

[luanee]

I don't think that Alex is Danielle's daughter (or son, whatever the gender), for the following reasons:

1. Danielle may not even have named her when she was taken away (only 1 week old or so right?)

2. Even if she has named her, how would Zeke (aka Bluebeard) know the name?

3. Even if they know her name, why would they bother to retain this name? They could have easily renamed her.

Just my two knuts worth of thought.. :)

[LiquidLightFX]

I think Zeke is just another nickname, like Ezekiel from the bible, he has similar look to Michealangelo's painting of him in the Sistine Chapel (sp?). Check out the wikipedia web page on Ezekial.
Alex could definitely be Roussou's kid, teenager at this point. I think they're taking people to help with their confined utopian society's population, maybe they're having reproductive problems (the sickness) and needing children and good adults to help keep the society going.
Zeke definitely seemed bruised up, is that the sickness? Or did he just get in a scuffle with someone?
His reference to his home makes me believe he's there by choice, espicially the Alvar Honso quote, he might be DeGroot and the woman on the boat his wife.
I think Desmond is part of their group as well, maybe a new volunteer or persuaded to join them.
I think Zeke is getting his info from the Smoke Monster that I believe is an information gathering/security system, connected with the DHARMA magnetic and parapsychology experiments. I think the button gets the info from it and stores it in it's computers in the hatch, which can be accessed by other hatchs via the intra-network that was being used to communicate with Michael.
Oy, I rambling, must stop. :eek:

[Motion]

I agree with you. There were three people I saw on the boat, beardman, the lady, and another man. I thought the unnamed man shot sawyer.

There were 4 on the boat.

Woman driver
Twins, one shot Sawyer and both grabbed Walt
Mr. Friendly, spotlight

I am sure this has been talked to death in some other forum somewhere, but, if Ethan took Claire for Claire's baby, and Claire remembered Rouseau fighting with her, then who the heck was Ethan working for?! Were Ethan and Rouseau together or did Claire somehow escape from Ethan and get caught by Rouseau?! It is unlikely that she would have gotten away without him wanting her to. If Mr. Friendly didn't recognize the name Ethan (I am not 100% convinced that he didn't know Ethan, but was prcoessing Jack's odd train of thought when he paused in tonight's episode), then maybe Ethan is from another faction? Maybe he was sent directly from the scientists?! I guess I should explain my island theory......

Danielle attacked Claire while she was sleeping in the Caves area. Remember everyone thought she was dreaming?

Did Sawyer say that "Zeke" was the one who shot him on the boat? Im 100% sure it was one of those other 2 guys :confused:

No he didn't say that, but he knows he's in charge of the guy that did shoot him.

[crackout]

Danielle attacked Claire while she was sleeping in the Caves area. Remember everyone thought she was dreaming?

Are you sure it wasn't Ethan?

[Motion]

Are you sure it wasn't Ethan?

Positive, if you remember the episode where Danielle took Claire's baby when she walked up to her Claire saw the scratch marks on her arm and it all came back to her.

[crackout]

Positive, if you remember the episode where Danielle took Claire's baby when she walked up to her Claire saw the scratch marks on her arm and it all came back to her.

We don't know when or where that happened though. That was far more probable to have happened when Claire was escaping, rather than have happened at the caves.

At the caves nobody would have known Danielle, everybody knew Ethan, so I doubt she would have risked it.

We still don't know what Danielle was doing when Claire scratched her as well.

[dwacker]

Danielle attacked Claire while she was sleeping in the Caves area. Remember everyone thought she was dreaming?

Nah, that was Ethan who attacked her in the caves. Claire remembered scuffling with Rouseau much later after her return, when she was on the beach right before ( I think ) Rouseau took her kid to the burning tires.

[Motion]

We don't know when or where that happened though. That was far more probable to have happened when Claire was escaping, rather than have happened at the caves.

At the caves nobody would have known Danielle, everybody knew Ethan, so I doubt she would have risked it.

We still don't know what Danielle was doing when Claire scratched her as well.

Yes we do! This is fact. Go back and watch the episode where Danielle steals the baby. When Claire sees the scratches she has flashbacks that shows what happened. Danielle has been on that island for 16+ years, she knows her way around and how to be sneaky.

Nah, that was Ethan who attacked her in the caves. Claire remember scuffling with Rouseau much later after her return, when she was on the beach right before ( I think ) Rouseau took her kid to the burning tires.

No it wasn't! Claire only had contact with Danielle twice. The night in the caves and when she took the baby. Go back and watch.

[dwacker]

Yes we do! This is fact. Go back and watch the episode where Danielle steals the baby. When Claire sees the scratches she has flashbacks that shows what happened. Danielle has been on that island for 16+ years, she knows her way around and how to be sneaky.

Hmmm. I'll have to watch that again. It is not how I remember it, but that doesn't mean much :).

[fblanco]

hmmm i always thought danielle somehow helped rescue claire, claire in the crazyness scratched her during the escape.

[crackout]

hmmm i always thought danielle somehow helped rescue claire, claire in the crazyness scratched her during the escape.

Always the opinion I have had, despite what Danielle ended up doing.

Motion: I went back and watched it, it doesn't show where they were when Claire scratched Danielles arm. Claire herself doesn't even know when it happened, that suggests that it happened while she was missing, rather than at the caves.

But again, it could be either :)

[Motion]

Always the opinion I have had, despite what Danielle ended up doing.

Motion: I went back and watched it, it doesn't show where they were when Claire scratched Danielles arm. Claire herself doesn't even know when it happened, that suggests that it happened while she was missing, rather than at the caves.

But again, it could be either :)

Possibly, heavily suggests it was the night she freaked out in the caves though.

[dwacker]

Possibly, heavily suggests it was the night she freaked out in the caves though.

I just realized something. She didn't have the scratch after the cave incident, only after coming out of the forest lacking memory. It must have happened while she was missing!

[Motion]

I just realized something. She didn't have the scratch after the cave incident, only after coming out of the forest lacking memory. It must have happened while she was missing!

No no no, Danielle is the one with the scratches!

[dwacker]

No no no, Danielle is the one with the scratches!

It is almost 1am here and I cannot remember who scratched who. I am going to bed. I expect you all to have this cleared up by morning :).

G'night!

[>$3<]

1. Danielle may not even have named her when she was taken away (only 1 week old or so right?)
yeh i like that idea, so what ur saying is how would the others know alexs name if they stole him from daniele when she was so young. which could be a mistake by the authors!? because i personaly rekcon that we will eventually find out that all the children that theyve taken are being taken good care of etc... and alex was raised by them and has become one of them but is still the same alex that was kidnapped from daniel

[Motion]

yeh i like that idea, so what ur saying is how would the others know alexs name if they stole him from daniele when she was so young. which could be a mistake by the authors!? because i personaly rekcon that we will eventually find out that all the children that theyve taken are being taken good care of etc... and alex was raised by them and has become one of them but is still the same alex that was kidnapped from daniel

Who's Daniel?

Knowing Danielle, she probably ran around screaming for Alex like Michael does for Walt and they just figured the baby's name out. :D

[banditoking]

Maybe this has already been posted, but click on the picture. What do people make of this??

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

[chair]

Locke should have pulled out his two pistolls and shot all the others "Matrix style"

:D :D
haha that would be soooo awsome, he'd clip on those sunnies and bust into massive torche flying combat, reminds me of a white Morphious.:rolleyes:
:D :D

[Addicted]

the patients daughters name!!!!..............gabriela........the french lady......gabriela.....any connection?....or coincidence?


The frenc lady's name was Danielle.

[rheta]

I am sure this has been talked to death in some other forum somewhere, but, if Ethan took Claire for Claire's baby, and Claire remembered Rouseau fighting with her, then who the heck was Ethan working for?! Were Ethan and Rouseau together or did Claire somehow escape from Ethan and get caught by Rouseau?! It is unlikely that she would have gotten away without him wanting her to. If Mr. Friendly didn't recognize the name Ethan (I am not 100% convinced that he didn't know Ethan, but was prcoessing Jack's odd train of thought when he paused in tonight's episode), then maybe Ethan is from another faction? Maybe he was sent directly from the scientists?! I guess I should explain my island theory...

No one is quite sure how Claire escaped Ethan yet, maybe we will find out that Danielle helped her and at some point during trying to help her, Claire scratched her?

[waikiki]

I searched....but said no results found. Figured Id post here since it was last night.
Did anyone hear the bearded man (gainey) say Alex's name when they brought Kate out?:confused:

[FullMonte]

I dont' think so, I think Zeke is another nick name like "Chuy, Pilsburry, Han, Dr. Quinn etc..."

Just to pick nits a bit...it's not "Chuy"...it's "Chewie." as in "Han and Chewie..." Han Solo and Chewbacca...

[Dave-0]

What if the Bearded man that Sawyer has grown to hate so much is the real Sawyer that killed James Ford's parents. Looks to me like he'd be in that age range. It would make for a great final battle.

[waikiki]

opps just made a thread:D

[Guerilla Radio]

And Alex was Danielle's child right?

Whoops, sorry for repeating the question.

[*Pauly*]

Alex is a unisex name and Danielle had a daughter not a son. Sigh how can noobs still be getting this wrong ;)

[stewpid]

Walt is fine? Micheal wont be bothering us? We'll make a line? ALEX!! Did he just say Alex?

Alex.. Yes, Danielle's daughter/son? But what I want to know is Walt. We all know from the first season that Walt is special, but are the others harnessing it differently? How did they know?

AND the way Bluebeard knew that Sawyer and Locke had other guns should be the final slap in the face that the Other's are watching them in the hatch.

[peytonfarkuhar]

"zeke" is simply a nickname, like "freckles" or "mr.clean."

Sawyer went with the hunting party out of the desire for revenge, just like with the boar.

alex is a girl.

the "line" is both literal and figurative. there are certain sections of the island that are "off limits." the figurative line is the (fuzzy) boundary between any dichotomy - good/evil, madness/sanity, science/faith, etc.

locke asks sawyer about his name then because he did not have the oppprtunity to do so before. His reason for asking is because of his desire for other people to be "authentic," or true to themselves, altho the manner in which he does it slightly varies (see confrontations with jack, boone, charlie, claire, etc)

[ess1019]

I thought "Zeke's" voice sounded pretty dang close to Jack's father's voice. Did anyone else catch that?:p


I thought this exact same thing! For a second, I was wondering if his dad was going to show up!

[beantotherescue]

When Bluebeard came onto the screen I screamed out "Haaawhat!!? Bluebeard!!" and my roomates looked at me like I was completely insane.

[abby1]

was that her in the background when sawyer was giving up his gun?

[Exie]

I thought it was Jack's dad, too. The voice sounded just like him and I jumped up!

As for how Mr. Friendly (could that be his last name? Not just a nickname, like Sawyer gives people? which was my first impression...) knew Alex's name, Danielle could have named her at birth and the Others did the research like Goodwin did (he had the list of names of people on the plane.)

[johnny_sack]

I searched....but said no results found. Figured Id post here since it was last night.
Did anyone hear the bearded man (gainey) say Alex's name when they brought Kate out?:confused:


Yes I did!

And on thefusaloge.com they also picked up on this and are talking about how it must be Danielle's daughter with the others.

Good stuff! Loved this ep!

[Lord Amarth]

Brilliant minds, I think your right...

[usher]

I could have sworn 'Zeke' said "Alice"

[WithTheDawn]

They never show the person (you just see a tiny bit of the side of their body for a split second), but Im certain its Daneilles daughter. For sure.

[Shanate]

Do you think he knows Locke, it seemed like he did.

[rheta]

I agree that the line was figurative. I think he is saying - we are doing what we want, this is our place, mind your business and respect the boundaries and we will continue to let you live

[aerofluff]

Ok... this has been kind of bugging me since last night...

~ Zeke seemed kind of mad that they (the plane people) are on the island and using thier supplies and f-ing things up and stuff... SO, this leads me to believe that they (the Others) were NOT the cause of the plane crash... otherwise, they would have been ok with them being there and not just "letting them live". So from this we can conclude that plane crash and others = unrelated.

~ BUT, obviously the plane crash was not just chance... or else the show will have a very hard time explaining the weird connections between each of the plane characters - that many people on one plane who are all interelated (not to mention the numbers and Locke's miracle of mobility!)

Soooo are there many different things going on on the island? Because my initial reaction was that these Others are the Hanso people and they caused the crash to have more poeple on the island / were manipulating them somehow... (esp when you think of Desmond, who was already on the island, and Jack knowing each other)... BUT, the others seem kind of annoyed that they are there - implying... no connection??

Perhaps the Others are a Hanso experiment gone bad? What do you all think?

[SoManyQuestions]

Alex is referred to as a "he" in Season 1 Solitary.

And if you look at the hand that brought Kate, it looks very much like a man's hand. My wife & i kept on rewinding it last night in tivo. Alex is a man.

[benbenben]

You know the film they all watched in the hatch? I think the bearded man on the island appeared in that film. I belive he is the man who developed the Dharma Project. He had a partner in the film...a blonde lady. I think that she is the one at the end of season one that threw the explosive device onto the raft. Just another theory. Locke's dad is the man Sawyer has been searching for.

[stewpid]

Ok... this has been kind of bugging me since last night...

~ Zeke seemed kind of mad that they (the plane people) are on the island and using thier supplies and f-ing things up and stuff... SO, this leads me to believe that they (the Others) were NOT the cause of the plane crash... otherwise, they would have been ok with them being there and not just "letting them live". So from this we can conclude that plane crash and others = unrelated.

~ BUT, obviously the plane crash was not just chance... or else the show will have a very hard time explaining the weird connections between each of the plane characters - that many people on one plane who are all interelated (not to mention the numbers and Locke's miracle of mobility!)

Soooo are there many different things going on on the island? Because my initial reaction was that these Others are the Hanso people and they caused the crash to have more poeple on the island / were manipulating them somehow... (esp when you think of Desmond, who was already on the island, and Jack knowing each other)... BUT, the others seem kind of annoyed that they are there - implying... no connection??

Perhaps the Others are a Hanso experiment gone bad? What do you all think?

I think that zeke and the other's have a home base that is impressive. The obvious have electricity where ever it is they "live". How else is Walt (if it is Walt) communicating with Michael?

Also it seems apparent that the other's are watching them in the hatch.. Did they watch Freckles take a shower?

I think that this show could go one forever.

[mrmworth]

we must remember the question Locke asked Sawyer while they were trailing Michael in the forest. he asked Sawyer why he chose his own name since Locke had learned from the manifest that it wasn't his real name.

i believe that conversation was setting up for Sawyer calling the boatman 'Zeke' and that in future episodes we may find out the reason behind why he chose both names (probably in a flashback).

[benbenben]

I think that Zeke was just a nickname that Sawyer gave the bearded man since he had such a big beard. Sawyer gives everyone a nickname.

[Lost Tar Heel]

Zeke is just another nickname that Sawyer likes to give people. I think Zeke is part of the Hanso group who was there to do studies and experiments. I think his group is separate from the Others. I think the Others are ones who take people and were somehow part of an experiment gone wrong.

[AtomicMoose]

I thought it was Jack's dad, too. The voice sounded just like him and I jumped up!My wife and I looked at each other and thought the same exact thing...strange.

[aerofluff]

Zeke is just another nickname that Sawyer likes to give people. I think Zeke is part of the Hanso group who was there to do studies and experiments. I think his group is separate from the Others. I think the Others are ones who take people and were somehow part of an experiment gone wrong.

no... Zeke admitted they had Walt - so the ones taking people and Zeke are the same people...

[LA2019]

I too was wondering why, if Zeke and friends (whom I'm not totally convinced are THE others) want privacy so badly, they would blow up the raft. But as the Hanso Foundation web site has now been proven to be closely connected to the story, the embedded letters from the International Health Organization might hold the answer - if the raft excursion was successful, it would have brought the outside world to the island - which the Hanso Foundation clearly does not want to happen...

[Dabsinottub]

This still leaves the question as to why the Others take certain people, "good people" and don't take the other survivors.

I was super cheezed that Locke, Sawyer, or Jack didn't say

"Why'd you take Walt?"

That seems like the first question i would ask.

GGAAAHHH

[Fizikal]

I think Sawyer has a past history with 'Zeke' aka Bluebeard, Mr. Happy or Boatman..

anyone know when the next Sawyer flashback is?

[UConnBigO]

come on, hes not zeke, hes greg degroot, they want the people on the island, just not poking around. they want them to hang out on the other side and be the subjects in an experiment. not a sound experiement, but I think these others want to be able to use the people when they need them, and for walt, aaron, etc. but dont want them screwing with them and trying to kill them, but they must understand that if you take someones son and stuff of that sort, they wont be easily forgetting that

[Double M]

I don't know if this was just bad makeup, but to me, Mr Frieldly's beard/eyebrows looked totally fake. Like so bad it might be on purpose fake. Anyone esle agree here?

[buffyfan145]

Zeke, or whatever his name is freaked me out!!! It did look like his beard was fake. My mom said that she thought it was Jack's dad too. I personally think it Degroot.

[AsILayDying]

When Saywer shot Zeke, It seemed like he had some special shield around him which made the bullet bounce back toward Saywer. Did anyone catch this. I thought that was strange...:confused:

[xadrian]

Ok, I don't think Mr. Friendly is Gerald DeGroot.

First off, look at the dude in the Orientation film. Does he look like someone who would sport a southern accent?

Not to mention after only 20 years they would have to get a different actor (Gerald DeGroot played by Michael Gilday, the show's filmographer, Mr. Friendly played by M.C. Gainey - Con Air, Dukes of Hazzard) So they both have beards, that's too likely a visual link than an actual clue.

Was he the man on the boat? Most likely. Was Alex on the boat with him? Maybe. Was the blonde in the movie the same as the blonde on the boat? More likely that than it being Alex. Alex would be a teenager, and as far as man hands go, her mom (the talented Mira Furlan) isn't exactly dainty.

And I'm shocked at you guys. Thinking Sawyer would step out of his skin for a second and not give someone a nickname. Zeke works great if you're from Georgia or Alabama. Bubba would have worked. And the look he gave him? Malice, people.

I don't want to belittle any ideas or anything, but I think we're reading just a bit too far into it with the whole Bible passages and Locke's sudden realization and such.

But, each his own. It's fun reading all this the day after.

When Saywer shot Zeke, It seemed like he had some special shield around him which made the bullet bounce back toward Saywer. Did anyone catch this. I thought that was strange...:confused:

Or one of the torch holders shot back at Sawyer?

Special shield? I'd have given you more guff for that had I not seen a floating column of retrospective smoke last week.

[Soxgirl]

I thought "Zeke's" voice sounded pretty dang close to Jack's father's voice. Did anyone else catch that?:p

I did too!

[benbenben]

"First off, look at the dude in the Orientation film. Does he look like someone who would sport a southern accent?"

No offense, but how you can draw that conclusion based on what he looks like. You never know. I still think it is him.

[Arri]

"This line right here, is what seperates us from you. You attempt to cross this line and we'll kill you." (paraphrased)

Significance on the gates of heaven? Castaways are stuck in purgatory, while the Others are presumed as angels, the castaways try to find their way into heaven, but the angels wont let them cross the gates as they haven't fulfilled themselves yet.

"Bring her out Alex!" - could prove that when Alex was taken from Danielle, he/she was taken for the good, into heaven, and now Alex is an angel/other with the rest, just like Walt and how "he's going to be absolutely fine."

"Build an army" - War between Heaven and those in purgatory. Look at my post in the other thread about liberalist Locke and conservative Jack. Those that join with Jack's army will summon to hell, and those with Locke will be free/taken... "That's right Jack, listen to Locke." says Zeke/Bluebeard.

Just my opinions of things, thoughts?

[portnoyd]

Ok, I don't think Mr. Friendly is Gerald DeGroot.

First off, look at the dude in the Orientation film. Does he look like someone who would sport a southern accent?

Not to mention after only 20 years they would have to get a different actor (Gerald DeGroot played by Michael Gilday, the show's filmographer, Mr. Friendly played by M.C. Gainey - Con Air, Dukes of Hazzard) So they both have beards, that's too likely a visual link than an actual clue.

Was he the man on the boat? Most likely. Was Alex on the boat with him? Maybe. Was the blonde in the movie the same as the blonde on the boat? More likely that than it being Alex. Alex would be a teenager, and as far as man hands go, her mom (the talented Mira Furlan) isn't exactly dainty.

And I'm shocked at you guys. Thinking Sawyer would step out of his skin for a second and not give someone a nickname. Zeke works great if you're from Georgia or Alabama. Bubba would have worked. And the look he gave him? Malice, people.

I don't want to belittle any ideas or anything, but I think we're reading just a bit too far into it with the whole Bible passages and Locke's sudden realization and such.

But, each his own. It's fun reading all this the day after.

You clearly are too intelligent to be posting at these boards. I suggest you pack up and find another forum. Everyone else should read this quote before making another post in this thread.

I mean, honestly, there's reading into the show, and then there's spitting out nonsense. If you didn't realize Zeke was another one of Sawyer's pet names, then you haven't been paying attention. Beardo is not Gerald DeGroot - everyone sees a beard and makes the connection. Give me more concrete proof and then I'll reconsider.

More likely, is that the DeGroots wouldn't consider Hanso a wise man. He was just the ATM machine that funded their project. Beardo is more likely a worker ant for the Hanso Foundation, assigned to Dharma.

[Myb]

Just to pick nits a bit...it's not "Chuy"...it's "Chewie." as in "Han and Chewie..." Han Solo and Chewbacca...

I stand corrected. Thanks!!!

[Erstwhile Lurker]

I too was wondering why, if Zeke and friends (whom I'm not totally convinced are THE others) want privacy so badly, they would blow up the raft. But as the Hanso Foundation web site has now been proven to be closely connected to the story, the embedded letters from the International Health Organization might hold the answer - if the raft excursion was successful, it would have brought the outside world to the island - which the Hanso Foundation clearly does not want to happen...
by blowing up the raft they assumed that the occupants would have drowned - if the raft is succesful in getting rescued - that means more people would come to the island to rescue the rest of the losties.....

[Doghouse_Riley]

I'm going with Zeke (a common nickname for a "hillbilly") and DeGroot being the same person for now. I think that Zeke quoting Alvar Hanso supports that.

I also think there are different factions on the island. Zeke is the chief of one faction. Ethan came from another faction (which is why Zeke didn't seem to know who Ethan was). Danielle seems to be a free agent that has some contact with one or more of the factions. Danielle's daughter Alex was kidnapped and is now a member of Zeke's faction. Our losties are the new faction.

[Myb]

Alex.. Yes, Danielle's daughter/son? But what I want to know is Walt. We all know from the first season that Walt is special, but are the others harnessing it differently? How did they know?

AND the way Bluebeard knew that Sawyer and Locke had other guns should be the final slap in the face that the Other's are watching them in the hatch.


Very good point about the Bluebeard knowing that they had additional guns!!!

[benbenben]

I don't think that the writers of the show would give them such big beards for no reason at all. I mean what is the coincedence of the bearded man and the blonde woman on the boat just happening to look like the people in the film. Their ages fit nicely in the timeline of things.

[Fitty Page]

"Zeke" is just a nickname. I know two people with that nickname. One's real name is Lawrence, and the second's real name is Merle.

They sorta just have the nickname of "Zeke", it doesn't mean anything.

[rheta]

If Mr. Friendly is a Degroot, he could've felt that Hanso was so very smart because of a shared passion for advancing human development. So he quotes Hanso on human curiosity and then he asks "you know what else they say about curiosity, right?" Is this maybe actually some sort of warning that everything they were doing on the island went terribly wrong, but then, it wouldn't make sense to say this is our island since that insinuates he is in control of it. hmmm

[Soxgirl]

When Saywer shot Zeke, It seemed like he had some special shield around him which made the bullet bounce back toward Saywer. Did anyone catch this. I thought that was strange...:confused:

Yes! I thought the same thing! I am going to go slowly thru it with my tivo and see.

[buried_beneath]

I thought he sounded a bit like Jack's dad when he first spoke and you couldn't see him, seriously. :P but after obviously I saw it was the Bearded Guy that was on the boat.

[Screen-name]

Wow i cant believe that in 11 pages of posts all there is is people not getting that Zeke is a nickname for a hillbilly. While you were imagining fanciful ways in which sawyer knows Zeke from the past(obviously a nickname) you missed a few posts which touched upon one of the more intriguing parts of the conversation between jack and Friendly. When Jack said Ethan's name it really did not appear as if Friendly recongnized him at all. He also did not seem to care that he was killed. Couple dwith his interesting theory quote, it leads me to believe that Ethan was not an other.

[Disciple]

I think we need to end this discussion about Zeke.

It's gotten a little out of control.


I think an obvious thing to assume is. These others are not living a fancy life in a nice hatch.

Look at Zeke's clothes, ragged, torn, dirty, his beard is like all over the place and it looks like his last shower may have been 20 years ago.

[Darth Pipes]

"Zeke" is pretty cool.

[SlikVik32]

A couple of things that I've been thinking/noticed:

1) There's been a lot of talk about wether Ethan was a part of Friendly's group. Remember when Jack, Locke and Sawyer were tracking Michael and Locke asked Sawyer if he recognized the path? They figured out that Michael was going North, not the same direction that the Tailies took. Now, on last week's show there was part of Michael and Walt's conversation that we couldn't see. I guess we have to assume the Walt told him where he was (which is fishy since he was snatched in the middle of the night from a raft). So can we officially say that there are two sets of "Others"? One group that is with Mr. Friendly and one group on the other side of the island (Goodwin, Ethan?). Also, when the were follwoing Michael and heard gunshots, did they continue North?
2) Why did Jack automatically go to AL and ask about an army and not Sayid? Wouldn't he know a little more about it? I mean, AL would be a lot of help but I would go to Sayid first.

[MindyLynn]

Originally Posted by AsILayDying
When Saywer shot Zeke, It seemed like he had some special shield around him which made the bullet bounce back toward Saywer. Did anyone catch this. I thought that was strange...

Yes! I thought the same thing! I am going to go slowly thru it with my tivo and see.


I agree, I even said - "he's got a freakin' forcefield!!" Let me know what you find!

[brennan]

Hey I don't know if this was brought up. But didnt Zeke's gun look really old? Like an old war gun from like the second world war. I don't know just something i noticed, dont know if it is important.
-Brennan

[magnitude]

Someone may have already said this...

Does anyone know how or if Sawyer actually knew Zeke's name? Was "Zeke" a spontaneous nickname?

Zeke is short for Ezekiel, the writer of the Book of Ezekiel, and an Isrealite prophet who lived in exile in Babylon (Iraq). Among other miracles, he raised the dead.

[Mr.Eko1987]

I think we need to end this discussion about Zeke.

It's gotten a little out of control.


I think an obvious thing to assume is. These others are not living a fancy life in a nice hatch.

Look at Zeke's clothes, ragged, torn, dirty, his beard is like all over the place and it looks like his last shower may have been 20 years ago.
Or maybe he doesnt know where the hatch is know more. Maybe he lost where the location of it is and cant see it. It was pretty rare that Locke and Boone found the hatch but did you see how much stuff was covering it, knowone in there right mind could find that. That could be a possibilty.

"Zeke" is pretty cool.

I think so too. I think he is going to be more of a important character to many, cause he has many questions we need to be answered.

A couple of things that I've been thinking/noticed:

1) There's been a lot of talk about wether Ethan was a part of Friendly's group. Remember when Jack, Locke and Sawyer were tracking Michael and Locke asked Sawyer if he recognized the path? They figured out that Michael was going North, not the same direction that the Tailies took. Now, on last week's show there was part of Michael and Walt's conversation that we couldn't see. I guess we have to assume the Walt told him where he was (which is fishy since he was snatched in the middle of the night from a raft). So can we officially say that there are two sets of "Others"? One group that is with Mr. Friendly and one group on the other side of the island (Goodwin, Ethan?). Also, when the were follwoing Michael and heard gunshots, did they continue North?
2) Why did Jack automatically go to AL and ask about an army and not Sayid? Wouldn't he know a little more about it? I mean, AL would be a lot of help but I would go to Sayid first.

I aint sure about this whole two different groups, The tailies and Mr. Friendly's group. Maybe at a point there was two different groups but I dont think so know more. When Mr. Friendly was like "This is Our Island", I think he was talking for all the Others baically all the people who worked for Dharama.

Someone may have already said this...

Does anyone know how or if Sawyer actually knew Zeke's name? Was "Zeke" a spontaneous nickname?

Zeke is short for Ezekiel, the writer of the Book of Ezekiel, and an Isrealite prophet who lived in exile in Babylon (Iraq). Among other miracles, he raised the dead.
Zeke, was probably just a little nickname Sawyer had made for him. I do hope that Sawyer keeps his word when he said " This isnt over Zeke", I hope that Sawyer kills him.

[xadrian]

No offense, but how you can draw that conclusion based on what he looks like. You never know. I still think it is him.

None taken, but you have to admit...

I mean for real. (http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jonkjeti/Lost/ORV8.jpg) If you can look at that and say, "Guy probably sounds like he was raised in Texas" then I'll back off.

Would Sawyer call that man Zeke?

[magnitude]

A couple of things that I've been thinking/noticed:

1) There's been a lot of talk about wether Ethan was a part of Friendly's group. Remember when Jack, Locke and Sawyer were tracking Michael and Locke asked Sawyer if he recognized the path? They figured out that Michael was going North, not the same direction that the Tailies took. Now, on last week's show there was part of Michael and Walt's conversation that we couldn't see. I guess we have to assume the Walt told him where he was (which is fishy since he was snatched in the middle of the night from a raft). So can we officially say that there are two sets of "Others"? One group that is with Mr. Friendly and one group on the other side of the island (Goodwin, Ethan?). Also, when the were follwoing Michael and heard gunshots, did they continue North?
2) Why did Jack automatically go to AL and ask about an army and not Sayid? Wouldn't he know a little more about it? I mean, AL would be a lot of help but I would go to Sayid first.

I think Michael was seeing the Watery Walt apparition, which was leading him hopefully to the real Walt. Like sawyer said, if he had a general direction he would have just gone around the mountain.

AL has killed one of them, Sayid has not.

[Mr.Eko1987]

I think Michael was seeing the Watery Walt apparition, which was leading him hopefully to the real Walt. Like sawyer said, if he had a general direction he would have just gone around the mountain.

AL has killed one of them, Sayid has not.
I think Sayid can prob kill the most of them, without a weapon, since he was a solider.

I believe that Michael thinks he was really talking to Walt, but I have a feeling that whoever he was talking too, is leading him to the monster not Walt.

[BeauSmith]

Zeke: I'm happy to see the great character actor M.C. Gainey as "Zeke" .He has been a favorite of mine for many years. I'msure y'all haveseen him in everything from CON AIR to various TV sitcoms. The whole "Zeke" name is just another one of Sawyer's sarcastic nicknames that he throws at everyone, "Mr. Clean", "Kato", etc. Sawyer is no doubt a child raised on watching a lot of TV.

Zeke & His Group: I don't think there are as many in his group as he lead everyone to believe. I noticed that when he gave the word all the torches/lights came on at the very same time. It reminded me of the old westerns and war films where the group wanted the other group to think there were more of them than there were. The also went off the same. I believe like others that Alex is the missing child grown up.

The Others: I kinda think that there are different factions as well. Some bad, some misguided and some very bad.

Jack: Am I the only one that thinks Jack is a serious horn dog? Look at his pattern. He took his wife away from what he determined as a "Less Deserving of her" guy after he came in to save her. He moves on to the next one, the sexy Italian daughter of the dying man. Then Ana Alcia in the airport, then Kate with the crash. I think Jack has a very huge ego that he tries to deny to himself. I think Jack believes he is on a higher level than most others. You can see by the way he treats people even in casual conversations. Last night he felt some serious stress because he feels he is losing control. Control of the group, Kate's afffection. He doesn't like the idea that he could be losing her to a "Less deserving of her guy" like Sawyer. He got punked by Zeke . And let's all know that Zeke treated Jack as the leader.

I think the reason Jack Went to Ana Alica instead of Sayid was for two reasons:

1. Because he felt "betrayed" by Kate and was pouting/brooding about that and as is his pattern he goes to the next hot babe that has shown interest in him.

2. Sayid, even with his past and his training, is more level headed. Jack knows that Sayid would not be as apt to say yes and would want to plan it out. Jack Knows that Ana can be as cunning, paranoid and ruthless as "The Others".

More Jack: I think we're gonna seeJackhead down a very dark road as the episodes pile up. At first most viewers thought Sawyer would be that guy, but I think the time on the island is showing Sawyer growing to be the hero that will sacrifice himself for others and Jack going from hero to a darker form.

Sorry to ramble. This is the first time I've posted and I guess that kinda happens.

Beau

[Screen-name]

God. Enough about the name ZEKE. You people really need to have things spelled out for you. Just like when people thought ana lucia didnt shoot shannon. SAWYER GIVES NICKNAMES TO PEOPLE AS PLAYFUL PUTDOWNS. ZEKE IS A HILLBILLY NAME. Stop reading so much into it.


On to the important things, besides ethan not being recognized that gun looked significant. While i am definitely not a gun expert it looked old, possibly ww2 which links it to the knife used by the other Ana killed. Both weapons appear to be from WW2 so that most likely means the island was fought on by the Japanese and the Allied forces. This is the most obvious answer as to where they got the weapons

[{Mimsy}]

Zeke?.....how does saywer know him??

One of Sawyer's nicknames ...:rolleyes:

Anywho, yeah, definatley Blue Beard. He's mighty scary for an old man...

[Static Universe]

Sawyer could have said 'Bill-Bob,' 'Hank,' 'Jed,' 'Doc,' 'Duke,' 'Jethro' or any other name of hillbilly effect; but he did not. He said Zeke. This is clearly a (well-defined and show-consistent) biblical reference! For any fan of the show who disregards the importance in each reference of this show, I fear most of the experience flies over your heads.


Every hillbilly nickname is a biblical reference. Zeke, Jed , Jethro.

[Digits]

I agree with BeauSmith about Jack going down a darker path--I'm very interested in seeing where that goes--

but i also don't think Sawyer really has all that capability to become the leading mand hero.... maybe Jack will go down that dark path, and someone will have to stop him, bring him to his senses (kate?)

[ajnteri]

Agreed. Bluebeard has returned


I sort of thought he looked like an Eewok! :)

[rheta]

"Zeke" is not just a witty nickname; it may be that way to Sawyer, but Sawyer has an author, one who purposes to communicate ideas.

Sawyer could have said 'Bill-Bob,' 'Hank,' 'Jed,' 'Doc,' 'Duke,' 'Jethro' or any other name of hillbilly effect; but he did not. He said Zeke. This is clearly a (well-defined and show-consistent) biblical reference! For any fan of the show who disregards the importance in each reference of this show, I fear most of the experience flies over your heads.

The show is about the ideas the characters represent; and while the personalities may be entertaining, they are (as in all good stories) vessels for ideas. This means that each reference means something. This makes LOST a great television program.
I don't see Sawyer's character representing anything biblical. And he could call Kate any number of things, but he calls her freckles. And why would a biblical reference be consistent? I don't see religion being a big theme on this show. Perhaps reading too much into something causes the entertainment to fly over your head.

I also believe Zeke was just the first smart-alec name he could come up with

[Screen-name]

"Zeke" is not just a witty nickname; it may be that way to Sawyer, but Sawyer has an author, one who purposes to communicate ideas.

Sawyer could have said 'Bill-Bob,' 'Hank,' 'Jed,' 'Doc,' 'Duke,' 'Jethro' or any other name of hillbilly effect; but he did not. He said Zeke. This is clearly a (well-defined and show-consistent) biblical reference! For any fan of the show who disregards the importance in each reference of this show, I fear most of the experience flies over your heads.

The show is about the ideas the characters represent; and while the personalities may be entertaining, they are (as in all good stories) vessels for ideas. This means that each reference means something. This makes LOST a great television program.


We all know the series is multi faceted and that there are meanings behind many things but to jump to comclusions like that seems far fetched. There is such a thing about reading too much into it, which you can see from reading about other things that were insignificant that were blown out of proportion. once again people are focusing on the wrong aspects of the interactions between the losties and the others. The gun and the ethan reaction seem to be more important.

[spires1776]

I don't see Sawyer's character representing anything biblical. And he could call Kate any number of things, but he calls her freckles. And why would a biblical reference be consistent? I don't see religion being a big theme on this show. Perhaps reading too much into something causes the entertainment to fly over your head.

I also believe Zeke was just the first smart-alec name he could come up with

Step by step:

I never claimed that Sawyer was a biblical reference, but that his appellation of 'Zeke' was.

Is Kate meant to represent a biblical figure? I could look into that. Being the only current woman of interest, she may be Eve; she is kind of sneaky. Not every nickname is a biblical reference: for instance, I doubt you will find 'Mr. Clean' or 'Mickey' in any biblical book. That does not exlude the possibility that 'Zeke' is a biblical reference. Nice swing at your strawman, though.

This show is a forum for ideas; as all (at least competent) shows are. Religion is one of the major sources in the history of thought. If you don't see that religion plays a role here, perhaps other shows would engage you more fully.

The ideas being exchanged in LOST, are the substance of its entertainment.

As far as Sawyer is concerned, perhaps 'Zeke' is the best he could come up with to describe Mr. Friendly; but the show has authors, who have ideas, who through their characters, express those ideas.

Now, if Sawyer meets 'Zeke' again, and calls him by some other hillbilly name/biblical reference with opposing significance, it may be said that 'Zeke' was some off-the-cuff wisecrack only. As of now, it is most certainly a biblical reference to a specific literary figure, Ezekiel.

[xadrian]

For real, someone who calls a fat guy Pillsbury, a bald guy Mr. Clean and then a girl with freckles Freckles, he suddenly pulls out Zeke in a biblical context for a fellow he doesn't know, but it has nothing to do with dialect and apperance?

I'm all for finding clues, but this is bordering on Wachowski Zealousy.

[Screen-name]

Step by step:

I never claimed that Sawyer was a biblical reference, but that his appellation of 'Zeke' was.

Is Kate meant to represent a biblical figure? I could look into that. Being the only current woman of interest, she may be Eve; she is kind of sneaky. Not every nickname is a biblical reference: for instance, I doubt you will find 'Mr. Clean' or 'Mickey' in any biblical book. That does not exlude the possibility that 'Zeke' is a biblical reference. Nice swing at your strawman, though.

This show is a forum for ideas; as all (at least competent) shows are. Religion is one of the major sources in the history of thought. If you don't see that religion plays a role here, perhaps other shows would engage you more fully.

The ideas being exchanged in LOST, are the substance of its entertainment.

As far as Sawyer is concerned, perhaps 'Zeke' is the best he could come up with to describe Mr. Friendly; but the show has authors, who have ideas, who through their characters, express those ideas.

Now, if Sawyer meets 'Zeke' again, and calls him by some other hillbilly name/biblical reference with opposing significance, it may be said that 'Zeke' was some off-the-cuff wisecrack only. As of now, it is most certainly a biblical reference to a specific literary figure, Ezekiel.


Listen here Jack(see i made a nickname based on your ability to be stubborn) it is not CERTAINLY a biblical reference. If anyone is grasping at straws here it is you. What the person was trying to say was that the WRITERS are generally consistent. And consistently Sawyer's nicknames(written by the writers of the show) have been used the same way, as sly putdowns. You obviously are into consistency so this should make sense to you. Nice misuse of what a straw man is though.

[spires1776]

For real, someone who calls a fat guy Pillsbury, a bald guy Mr. Clean and then a girl with freckles Freckles, he suddenly pulls out Zeke in a biblical context for a fellow he doesn't know, but it has nothing to do with dialect and apperance?

I'm all for finding clues, but this is bordering on Wachowski Zealousy.


A false dichomoty does not a sound argument make: Sawyer could both have called him Zeke for hillbilly effect, and the authors also may be giving a clue to that character's significance. Both can be true.

Don't forget that his appearance and dialect are not accidents; they are choices made by authors. Clever, to have made these factors converge so nicely in a single nickname.

One may call me paranoid, but that isn't an argument either. How many times must a character repeat something for it to have significance? Four? Seventeen? The fact that this choice made it to air is enough to convince me; out of all the hillbilly names available? Read the wikipedia entry and explore the issues involved.

[Static Universe]

For real, someone who calls a fat guy Pillsbury, a bald guy Mr. Clean and then a girl with freckles Freckles, he suddenly pulls out Zeke in a biblical context for a fellow he doesn't know, but it has nothing to do with dialect and apperance?


Beautifully stated!

[rheta]

I never claimed that Sawyer was a biblical reference, but that his appellation of 'Zeke' was.
No, you claimed his character was the vessel of a biblical reference which, you state, would be consistent with the show
Is Kate meant to represent a biblical figure? I could look into that. Being the only current woman of interest, she may be Eve;
Claire, Sun, Ana Lucia? She's not even the first woman you see in this show. Claire, the woman bearing children is the first solid scene you catch with a woman in it
Not every nickname is a biblical reference: for instance, I doubt you will find 'Mr. Clean' or 'Mickey' in any biblical book. That does not exlude the possibility that 'Zeke' is a biblical reference. Nice swing at your strawman, though.

You are absolutely right that it does not exclude the possibility, but it is also exactly my point that it does not make us inherently simple to believe it is merely a snide nickname
Now, if Sawyer meets 'Zeke' again, and calls him by some other hillbilly name/biblical reference with opposing significance, it may be said that 'Zeke' was some off-the-cuff wisecrack only. As of now, it is most certainly a biblical reference to a specific literary figure, Ezekiel.
That doesn't quite cut it either since he tends to keep the same nick name he first uses

Plain and simple - everyone is entitled to their opinion. To insinuate that someone is unintelligent because they do not share your opinion is just rude

[Demented Panda]

sry if u might have covered this, but someone posted the hanso foundation site earlier, some people said it may have links with darma, im here to definately confirm this.; On the projects page, thers a link to dharma, but its in white text so its hard to see, u might have missed it. well anyway here is a link http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html, i havnt watched the whole thing yet, but it looks to be the same video that was shown in the hatch .

This is fucked up, this must be some lost fan site lmao , the only page u can actual access is the dharma one..lol

[johnlockerules]

When he tells Jack to turn around and "go home" and jack says no, zeke says "i hoped it wouldnt come to this..." then he yells "BRING HER OUT ALEX!"

now im almost positive that daniles child is the right hand person to zeke

any thoughts/????

[NatashaK]

I'm not sure if you guys have already covered this, so sorry if this is a repeat. If you go to www.thehansofoundation.org, there is a quote by Alvar Hanso in a letter to the UN. As we all know, the hanso foundation is the financial backing of the dharma initiative. It is the quote that the bearded man used when he was talking about a man much wiser than any of them. The quote states..
"From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

- Alvar Hanso, Address to the U.N. Security Council, 1967

The website is a valid disney website, so I'm sure there is a legit connection to the show. Any thoughts?

[rheta]

I posted this elsewhere talking about the others, but it was spawned from the Hanso quote so I'll mention it here as well: Assuming that Mr. Friendly and his gang can be considered at least one group of "Others", I am wondering: they obviously support Hanso since they call him a smarter man than any of them. In fact, I do believe that Mr. Friendly and bomb throwing chick are the Degroots. This would mean that they shouldn't have a problem being inside a hatch. So why aren't they at any of the stations? They don't look as though they have access to the amenities found in station 3. So what? Maybe the other stations don't have showers? Well, maybe as the Degroots, they oversee all the stations. They don't like that the losties went into the hatch because they had someone (Kelvin) lure Desmond into the hatch and they had him safe and sound to keep pushing the button and perhaps they select other people to take based on what they need for their experiments. Maybe they stick different people at different stations, maybe they experiment on some of them. (But how did they know that Walt was special anyway?) But if they are members of Dharma, well the movie says that using the computer could lead to another incident. So if these people are Pro Dharma, why would they be getting anyone (Michael) to use the computer? My thought is that the Degroots were "free thinkers" that wanted to start a community that worked to advance human development. So maybe that is what they are doing?
And that maybe the person communicating with Michael was another group - perhaps the real "Others", maybe people who have come down with the "sickness", but definately people who are not interested in protecting the Dharma initiative ... I hope this is not considered off the topic :)

[Demented Panda]

I posted this elsewhere talking about the others, but it was spawned from the Hanso quote so I'll mention it here as well: Assuming that Mr. Friendly and his gang can be considered at least one group of "Others", I am wondering: they obviously support Hanso since they call him a smarter man than any of them. In fact, I do believe that Mr. Friendly and bomb throwing chick are the Degroots. This would mean that they shouldn't have a problem being inside a hatch. So why aren't they at any of the stations? They don't look as though they have access to the amenities found in station 3. So what? Maybe the other stations don't have showers? Well, maybe as the Degroots, they oversee all the stations. They don't like that the losties went into the hatch because they had someone (Kelvin) lure Desmond into the hatch and they had him safe and sound to keep pushing the button and perhaps they select other people to take based on what they need for their experiments. Maybe they stick different people at different stations, maybe they experiment on some of them. (But how did they know that Walt was special anyway?) But if they are members of Dharma, well the movie says that using the computer could lead to another incident. So if these people are Pro Dharma, why would they be getting anyone (Michael) to use the computer? My thought is that the Degroots were "free thinkers" that wanted to start a community that worked to advance human development. So maybe that is what they are doing?
And that maybe the person communicating with Michael was another group - perhaps the real "Others", maybe people who have come down with the "sickness", but definately people who are not interested in protecting the Dharma initiative ... I hope this is not considered off the topic :)

who are the degroots?

[BeauSmith]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed earlier in the thread...

Jack's wife said she was seeing someone else. Was that someone else Desmond or someone else connected to the Island?

Just a thought.

Beau

[xadrian]

A false dichomoty[sic] does not a sound argument make: Sawyer could both have called him Zeke for hillbilly effect, and the authors also may be giving a clue to that character's significance. Both can be true.

Here's the argument. The writers can't simultaneously give a character an unwitting remark AND have it mean something to the rest of us without blowing the shield of the 4th Wall. They know we're watching, but they can't practically do something like that. It's not like I would feel spurned by it, it just doesn't make any screenwriting sense.

Example: Sayid. I don't know that Sawyer has a Sayid nickname. But let's pretend he does. Let's pretend that the character is written to, at first meeting, call Sayid 'Abdullah.' Now, we can either assume he's being snide, or we can read into it more and believe that somewhere, the writers are telling us through Sawyer, that Sayid is in fact the keeper of the records of the island and will journal the return of the prophet, because as well all know, a known Abdullah in history compiled of the chief book of Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

Now, I'm all for theories, but if I have to read THAT far into a show to know what's going on, I'm going to stop. I'm happy with a few symbols, some dripping apparitions and maybe a tribe of abandoned scientists.

That's my argument.

Don't forget that his appearance and dialect are not accidents; they are choices made by authors. Clever, to have made these factors converge so nicely in a single nickname.

Right, exactly. Grubby, worn, Appalachian accent, Zeke. Perfect. You nailed it.

One may call me paranoid, but that isn't an argument either. How many times must a character repeat something for it to have significance? Four? Seventeen? The fact that this choice made it to air is enough to convince me; out of all the hillbilly names available? Read the wikipedia entry and explore the issues involved.

Three, it's the rule of three.

I don't mean to pick on you about your ideas, I really don't. I'm just using this as an example of overworking triviality. Not your fault.

who are the degroots?

Cats experimenting in Hanzo's world of the 60's and 70's, the bearded and blonde scientist husband and wife.

[rheta]

who are the degroots?
Gerald and Karen Degroot - They were the scientists who imagined a large scale communal compound where scientists and free thinkers could pursue research in meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and utopian socio something. It was funded by Alvar Hanso

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html
It's the orientation movie they watch in the hatch, check it out

[Lost & Found]

I cant wait to see whats going to happen with Jacks "army" plan.

Off topic: *Does a little dance* One of my threads finnally got stickied and it has (currently) 14 pages! yay!

[October Sky]

I agree that this guy and possible the woman on the raft was/is the Degroots. Either they're trying to keep the Dharma project alive or they're protecting people from what's left over from the island..or new people running it.

[ericcoaster]

My problem with him being Degroots is that there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him, and he would have had to abandon the hatch? You'd think he would stay there if he was affiliated with dharma. Also, there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him. I have a feeling he and the other others are a third party, not dharma and obviously not with the survivors.

[Doghouse_Riley]

My problem with him being Degroots is that there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him, and he would have had to abandon the hatch? You'd think he would stay there if he was affiliated with dharma. Also, there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him. I have a feeling he and the other others are a third party, not dharma and obviously not with the survivors.

Maybe there's a reason they abandoned the hatch. The sickness?

[viv]

I apologize for my ignorance on the subject but, is this Alvar Hanso fellow a real person that Lost is referencing or is he completely made up?
and how many sites are out there from the Lost creators (like the oceanic air one)?

[M4573R51337]

My problem with him being Degroots is that there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him, and he would have had to abandon the hatch? You'd think he would stay there if he was affiliated with dharma. Also, there are absolutely no signs of dharma anywhere around him. I have a feeling he and the other others are a third party, not dharma and obviously not with the survivors.
He heavily hinted he was linked to dharma "Doors that arn't yours to open" The fact he took walt, walt is somewhere using a computer, an dmost importatly, his Hanso speach.

[M4573R51337]

Yes he is.

[LUKEYP]

I can't wait for Mr Ecko to tear Zeke to bits lol!

[ILuvMasterShake]

If Mr. Friendly is a Degroot, he could've felt that Hanso was so very smart because of a shared passion for advancing human development. So he quotes Hanso on human curiosity and then he asks "you know what else they say about curiosity, right?" Is this maybe actually some sort of warning that everything they were doing on the island went terribly wrong, but then, it wouldn't make sense to say this is our island since that insinuates he is in control of it. hmmm

I was thinking more along the lines of "Curiousity killed the cat" for the other quote... besides, how would Jack know of Hanso's quote (unless it was on the orientation film -- I missed a couple of the first epis this season)
:gossip:

[rheta]

I was thinking more along the lines of "Curiousity killed the cat" for the other quote... besides, how would Jack know of Hanso's quote (unless it was on the orientation film -- I missed a couple of the first epis this season)
:gossip:
I meant that the scientists had come to the island to do their experiments out of curiosity - to see what they could develop. And yes, I was thinking of curiosity killed the cat also. Meaning that the experiments had gone wrong.

[ronfya]

2) Why did Jack automatically go to AL and ask about an army and not Sayid? Wouldn't he know a little more about it? I mean, AL would be a lot of help but I would go to Sayid first.

I had the same first thought but ...


I think the reason Jack Went to Ana Alica instead of Sayid was for two reasons:

1. Because he felt "betrayed" by Kate and was pouting/brooding about that and as is his pattern he goes to the next hot babe that has shown interest in him.

2. Sayid, even with his past and his training, is more level headed. Jack knows that Sayid would not be as apt to say yes and would want to plan it out. Jack Knows that Ana can be as cunning, paranoid and ruthless as "The Others".


I agree. Ana Lucia has more anger and is more impulsive than Sayid.


Jack going from hero to a darker form.


Will he be some kind of Anakin Skywalker ? :D


I'm sorry if this has been addressed earlier in the thread...

Jack's wife said she was seeing someone else. Was that someone else Desmond or someone else connected to the Island?

Just a thought.

Beau

Interesting thought ...

4. his quoting Alvar Hanso - obviously they look at him as a "great man", so he is something like the leader. is he on the island somewhere too?

And what do you think if the bearded man was Hanso himself ... quoting his own words ? :eek:

On another hand, the bearded man is NOT Jack's father. They do NOT have the same voice like some here said and obviously neither the same nose.

And I think he's not Mr Degroot too, again, not the same nose. But it's very less obvious.

[M4573R51337]

Perhaps curosity killed the cat was a referance that Alavar Hanso was murdered by someone from dharma?

[lost/wwe fan]

When "Zeke" was drawing the line, could he have been talking about the "dark territory". Maybe the other live in the dark territory and the black rock and don't want anyone bothering them.

When he was talking about them being disrespectful to their island, I would have loved if Sawyer said something like "then give us your boat and we'll leave."

I think that that was Danielle dauther Zeke called over.

I think Zeke knows who Ethan is but was trying to throw Jack off the trail.

[NCRider]

Is is just me or did Zeke's beard and eyebrows look fake?

He also had a lot of discoloration on his face around his eyes. Part of an experiment gone bad?

Cryogenics, perhaps?

[lost/wwe fan]

I didn't think they looked fake. I thought they were dirty and creepy but not fake.

[rheta]

Perhaps curosity killed the cat was a referance that Alavar Hanso was murdered by someone from dharma?
OOOh! That is interesting!
When "Zeke" was drawing the line, could he have been talking about the "dark territory". Maybe the other live in the dark territory and the black rock and don't want anyone bothering them.
So, is it possible that he was giving a friendly warning to protect them from what is beyond the line (like dangerous Others)?

[SHANNONfan~]

Please tell me Zeke isn't the guys real name.
Seems to me it was just another nickname, it was not mentioned when the Raft got blown to pieces and I doubt Sawyer has met him before or he would've mentioned it when he first saw him on the boat "Oh Zeke It's You!!" etc.

[Defiant11]

Isnt it the same guy from the video? have a look.. it's him

[Mr.Eko1987]

Please tell me Zeke isn't the guys real name.
Seems to me it was just another nickname, it was not mentioned when the Raft got blown to pieces and I doubt Sawyer has met him before or he would've mentioned it when he first saw him on the boat "Oh Zeke It's You!!" etc.
True I think he would of said something when he saw him on the boat, but I really think its one of Sawyers nicknames to a person he doesnt like.

Isnt it the same guy from the video? have a look.. it's him


Many think so, but arent for sure.

[ILuvMasterShake]

Isnt it the same guy from the video? have a look.. it's him

I watched the orientation video again today (while I was supposed to be working! LOL:p ) and I would say that there is some similarity (mainly the beard) and then the wife looks similar to the woman who was driving the boat and threw the bomb onto the raft... in the video she looks a lot less creepy though!:eek:

[Mykle]

http://www.flyservers.com/members5/humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg

Perhaps they are one and the same?

[Tomy]

Honestly! People should look into things before they make crazy connections!

Zeke/Mr Friendly/Bluebeard, is NOT Gerald De Groot!

Zeke is played by: M.C. Gainey!

And...

Gerald DeGroot is played by: Michael Gilday!

They are two different actors!

Check it out at:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests

Even though IMDB isn't the most reliable source, you just can't look at two bearded guys and say, "They're the same person".

[SHANNONfan~]

Honestly! People should look into things before they make crazy connections!

Zeke/Mr Friendly/Bluebeard, is NOT Gerald De Groot!

Zeke is played by: M.C. Gainey!

And...

Gerald DeGroot is played by: Michael Gilday!

They are two different actors!

Check it out at:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests

Even though IMDB isn't the most reliable source, you just can't look at two bearded guys and say, "They're the same person".

It could be said though that they needed a younger actor to be DeGroot from 40 yrs ago and then the older actor to play the DedGroot on the boat.

However, they look totally different nationalities aswell IMO.

[Mr.Eko1987]

I watched the orientation video again today (while I was supposed to be working! LOL:p ) and I would say that there is some similarity (mainly the beard) and then the wife looks similar to the woman who was driving the boat and threw the bomb onto the raft... in the video she looks a lot less creepy though!:eek:
They really look alike, I have a feeling that they are the Degroots.

Honestly! People should look into things before they make crazy connections!

Zeke/Mr Friendly/Bluebeard, is NOT Gerald De Groot!

Zeke is played by: M.C. Gainey!

And...

Gerald DeGroot is played by: Michael Gilday!

They are two different actors!

Check it out at:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests

Even though IMDB isn't the most reliable source, you just can't look at two bearded guys and say, "They're the same person".

Well you aint going to have the Mc. Gainey play himself 40 years younger are you. Look at all the other people in the flashbacks they dont play themselves at a young age. Like in the next episode does it like look Charlie is going to play himself at age 8,NO. So doesnt matter who played them in the episode, they just need people who looked like them.

[SHANNONfan~]

They really look alike, I have a feeling that they are the Degroots.

The girl looks nothing like the girl on the boat, first off, and she doesn't look old enough to be the same woman 40 yrs or so on.
And the only thing the men have in common are their beards.

[Mr.Eko1987]

The girl looks nothing like the girl on the boat, first off, and she doesn't look old enough to be the same woman 40 yrs or so on.
And the only thing the men have in common are their beards.
Well since we dont agree on this, I think we are going to have to wait till we can find this out and that will have to be every Wednesday for a while till we do. ;)

[twistedburn]

Hey I was just rewatching the epi and in Mr. Friendly's convo with Jack he tells him "

"We've got a misunderstanding, Jack. My people, your people. So listen up. Right here, there's a line, you cross that line, we go from misunderstanding to...something else."

This was right after the lighting of the torches, which was right after Jack mentioned to him about Ethan. I think that perhaps Ethan was acting without the knowledge of the rest of the Others, and that the only reason they were attacking the tailies was that they were on their side of the island. What do you guys think?

[Splisks]

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9651/capture6ja.jpg

[BOONE182]

why the hell didnt they bring this on earlier. started getting boring until this.
absolutely crazy that guy. and he knew all the names !

[Motion]

They really look alike, I have a feeling that they are the Degroots.

:rolleyes: Okay I can MAYBE see the girl, but NO WAY that is the same guy from the video.

[Smultron]

I was so frustrated with our dear Jack, Locke and JAMES FORD:p this episode. "Zeke" is saying that they don't want them on the island, that they are not welcome but The Others let them live. Me? I would say something like;

"Well, I am very sorry but we didn't ask for this to happend! We didn't crash on purpose, so if You don't want us here, help us leave!" (or something like that)

and I would try to speak friendly, get som answers.
Not that attitude that Jack is showing.

Edit; And I would also ask what the hell he ment with "That's an intresting theory" about Ethan infiltrating... Was he or was he not an other?

[antera309]

Yep, I was disappointed with Jack too. It seems to me like the Others were willing to talk and sort things out, but Jack declared war on them without even asking any serious questions first. "Why did you take Walt?" would have been a good one to start with.

Beardos quote about opening doors that they shouldn't be opening is a clear reference to the hatch (he even looked at Locke when he said it!). So the others know all about the hatch. Either they've got spies in the bushes, or it is indeed them that have been communicating with Mike on the computer. The other comment "Don't worry about Michael - he's not going to find us" pretty much confirms that it was the Others pretending to be Walt on the computer, sending Mike off on a wild goose chase....

Notice Locke's comment about Sawyer's real name not being Sawyer when they were walking throuh the jungle. This being brought up in this episode ain't co-incidence, that's for sure.

Do you reckon Beard boy might turn out to be Sawyer, the real Sawyer who conned James Ford's parents?

[whintersby]

Ok I haven't got the episode with me at the moment so can't rewatch it - but I thought Mr Friendly made a point of saying something along the lines of :

"Don't worry Jack, no-ones going to hurt YOU"

Am I dreaming that? :)

[Sir Lag A Lot]

Ok I haven't got the episode with me at the moment so can't rewatch it - but I thought Mr Friendly made a point of saying something along the lines of :

"Don't worry Jack, no-ones going to hurt YOU"

Am I dreaming that? :)
I noticed that too.
It's as if they WANT Jack to be ok so he can do something in the future that will benifit the others.
As I was typing that last sentence I thought that maybe they knew that Jack would want revenge and start a war with them. So the Others could easily kill off a large number of the survivors if there was a war.

[Mr. Howell]

Nope...you're not dreaming...that's what you heard...

Which makes me think...god forbid...Zeke's clan are the GOOD Others....and Ethan & Goodwin and their clan are the BAD Others. Maybe the two factions split over some idealogical dispute and have been kicking each others asses this whole time...and Goodwin's clan got the better end of the deal...which is why Zeke's clan is in ratty clothes and hiding out all the time. Like a class war between the two groups of Others. And Zeke's team can't afford to have their side of the island being pilfered by these nuisance plane crash survivors?

It kinda explains why the Tailies had such a bad time on their side of the island...They were on the evil side! And the only reason Jack & Co. had some problems is because Goodwin sent Ethan to search for more survivors and infiltrate their group. Zeke's only crime was snatching Walt (and possibly Michael)...which they must have some plan for...as did the BAD Others when they grabbed the Tailie's kids. If not for Walt, maybe the Fuselage Losties wouldn't have been disturbed...as long as they did not encroach on Zeke's clan's boundry. I mean...Zeke and Co. could have just killed Jack, Locke, Sawyer and Kate right there...no questions asked...Like the way Goodwin killed Nathan. But they didn't. Zeke gave them a smack on the wrist and sent them home.

I have a feeling Goodwin's clan is the one Jack should be preparing an army for...Not Zeke's.

[EagleEye812]

say something like;

"Well, I am very sorry but we didn't ask for this to happend! We didn't crash on purpose, so if You don't want us here, help us leave!" (or something like that)


I'm afraid "their" answer to that would be to kill the lot of them. The Others have no use in helping them leave...

[whintersby]

Which makes me think...god forbid...Zeke's clan are the GOOD Others....and Ethan & Goodwin and their clan are the BAD Others. Maybe the two factions split over some idealogical dispute and have been kicking each others asses this whole time...and Goodwin's clan got the better end of the deal...which is why Zeke's clan is in ratty clothes and hiding out all the time. Like a class war between the two groups of Others. And Zeke's team can't afford to have their side of the island being pilfered by these nuisance plane crash survivors?

A problem with this idea is that the Others who terrorised the tail section survivors were also dressed in potato sacks... Goodwin was with these people, so that only really leaves a question mark over Ethan and whether he was actually part of the Others?

Mr Friendly's reaction when Jack quizzed him made the audience think Ethan wasn't part of them (reacted as though he didn't recognise the name - long pause) - ALTHOUGH it has been known for ages that Ethan Rom is an anagram of OTHER MAN, so it's most likely he is...

Now I would like to know if it is these people who are in charge of the radio tower of which Danielle stated "but they control it now..."

[ILLaViTaR]

I thought it sounded close too especially when he said almost the same words Jack's father said to him about there being a line and that Jack wouldn't cross it.

You's are kidding right.

Zeke soundslike a Texan redneck and Jacks father sounds like a civilised person

[Mr. Howell]

Mr Friendly's reaction when Jack quizzed him made the audience think Ethan wasn't part of them (reacted as though he didn't recognise the name - long pause)

It was a long pause...but perhaps not because he didn't recognize the name...but because he knew EXACTLY who Ethan was...but was surprised to hear it from jack that he had been on "their" side of the island...following the two seperate Others theory. Or perhaps Ethan was part of Zeke's clan, but got the sickness and ran off, and Zeke assumed the "other" Others must have killed him.

As for the tower...If ther Others were controlling it...why wouldn't they have changed Rouseau's message in 16 years?

Freshen my drink, Gilligan!

[whintersby]

Actually, another thing I've just thought about (again I don't have the episode at hand to check)...

Why the survivors didn't ask more questions is a very obvious annoyance for the audience, but hang on...

Didn't they bump into Mr Friendly and he asked Locke to light a fire? We then resumed after the break with it a hell of a lot darker, a fire nicely burning away AND THEN continue the chat? :confused:

What the hell happened inbetween all this? Are we just expected to beleive that they all stood there for 5 minutes in complete silence pointing guns at each other whilst Locke lit his fire?

Bizarre.

Disclaimer - I may have made this up as I haven't been able to check.

[Graeme]

Could someone who has been reading this thread the whole way through, please give me a quick summary of what has been said and what has been discovered or whatever?

Would be much appreicated!

[Mr.Eko1987]

Could someone who has been reading this thread the whole way through, please give me a quick summary of what has been said and what has been discovered or whatever?

Would be much appreicated!
Well Jack,Locke and Sawyer were going through the jungle in search of Michael. They then came across the breaded man " the same guy who took Walt", and they had a little talk with him. He was telling them how he lets them stay on the island, saying a couple of quotes from Alvar Hanson, made Jack feel like a butt head by showing him that there was like 10 others in the woods and on command he made them light torches and also took Kate from them since she was following them into the woods.
Basically thats it and I think the most important thing was the he said " Michael will never find us"

[SafetySteve1314]

The boatman? What do you guys think? Sounds like him, looks like him.


The bearded man is in fact Gerald DeGroot and he Quoted Alva Hanso . The Bearded mad said "A great man said "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity""
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

In addition when he asked for Kate he spoke to Alex which is Rouseo's the lady on the island's child

[jetembers]

I think Mike WILL find what he is looking for. I don't think Cap'n Degroot know about his and Walt's litttle AIM chats.

[SafetySteve1314]

The woman on the boat looked way to old to be Danielle's daughter. If we are to believe the transmission Danielle has bene on the island for 16 years, that would make Alex 16 not 40 or 50 (which is the approximate age of the boatie other that threw the bomb on the raft).


The woman on the boat driving is DeGroot's wife

[johnny_sack]

The bearded man is in fact Gerald DeGroot and he Quoted Alva Hanso . The Bearded mad said "A great man said "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity""
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

In addition when he asked for Kate he spoke to Alex which is Rouseo's the lady on the island's child

Ahh... these are good theories... and I sort of share them... but you are speaking as if these are facts when they are NOT.

We don't know for sure it was Rouseo's daughter.. though that one does seem likely.

But how do know the bearded man is DeGroot? What evidence do you have? I'm not saying it's isn't or is not possible just that we don't have much evidence to support this.

[SafetySteve1314]

Hey I don't know if this was brought up. But didnt Zeke's gun look really old? Like an old war gun from like the second world war. I don't know just something i noticed, dont know if it is important.
-Brennan


It was a WWII german luger

[johnny_sack]

Mr Friendly's reaction when Jack quizzed him made the audience think Ethan wasn't part of them (reacted as though he didn't recognise the name - long pause)

See here is where I disagree. When I watched the episode I personally got the impressiion that he DID know who Ethan is.

I also re-watched it again last night and once again I still think that he DOES know who Ethan is.

If others think the opposite then I guess we still don't know the answer.

[jellytot]

The woman from the boat looks like Mrs deGroots

'Zeke' is not Mr deGroots (ears dont change shape like that - even if it is supposed to be the same person - definitely two different actors - unlike Cold Case)

There are more than one group of OTHERS

The OTHERS probably know who each and everyone of THEM is even if there are more than one group of THEM

The OTHERS will only show themselves when they want to be seen and are perfectly capable of staying out of Michaels way (probably while laughing)

The survivors who have been taken have been taken by more than one set of OTHERS

Just because some of the OTHERS dress in sacks doesnt mean that they don't have access to clothes (Goodwin, Ethan) but this may be what distinguishes THEM from the other OTHERS.

This was an engineered meeting. Getting Michael to go looking for Walt ensured that some of the survivors would either go with him or follow him.

Jack, Sawyer and Locke really disappointed me with their lack of responses/questions about anything when they had the perfect opportunity - regardless of the situation - one if not all of them should have asked more than they did (tut-tut!)

Why can't Kate just listen and do as she is told/asked for once?

Sawyers real name was mentioned in such detail that it has to be significant (mole?)

There was also much said about 'being told what to do/not to do' in this episode that this too has to be significant (it is a recurring line in this show)

[SafetySteve1314]

Ahh... these are good theories... and I sort of share them... but you are speaking as if these are facts when they are NOT.

We don't know for sure it was Rouseo's daughter.. though that one does seem likely.

But how do know the bearded man is DeGroot? What evidence do you have? I'm not saying it's isn't or is not possible just that we don't have much evidence to support this.


No Facts just theories

[antera309]

The bearded man also mentioned about not eating food that doesn't belong to you. Funny how all the boar disappeared soon after Locke started hunting them. Did the Others have something to do with this?

And beardo is not Mr DeGroot. The two corpses that Jack found at the caves are the DeGroots.

[friday]

For everyone that is digging deep into Sawyer's "Zeke" nickname for Mr. Friendly, you may want to check out this thread:

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=27862

It may just be an inside joke between production and M.C. Gainey (who plays Mr. Friendly/"Zeke").

[Mr.Eko1987]

The bearded man also mentioned about not eating food that doesn't belong to you. Funny how all the boar disappeared soon after Locke started hunting them. Did the Others have something to do with this?

And beardo is not Mr DeGroot. The two corpses that Jack found at the caves are the DeGroots.
That isnt a fact that the two bodies were the DeGroots, and I think that the breaded man is Mr. Degroot.

It was wierd how all the boar did start missing after they hunted them, but maybe the others just killed them all instead. Wasting the food on the island to prove a experiment or something to see how these people survived and what they ate. They only relaible food source is the fish, and Jin can get alot of them, but I dont think the others can take that away.

[GeraldDeGroot]

Here's a long shot. Take a look at the Orientation film. Do you think that Zeek could in fact be Gerald De Groot? The film was made in 1980 and I would estimate De Groot to be aged 30 to 40 years then. Is it therefore conceiveable o that Zeek is aged about 55 to 65 years?

What do you think?

[UltraHyperShadow]

I think that everyone has been discussing this for like, 10 pages and you never read any of the posts :)

Zeke is a hillbilly name, I know some of you have mentioned this but that is why he calls him Zeke.

[bibwis tolstarx]

Just my 2 cents--I seriously hope that Zeke (Mr. Friendly, whatever) is not Mr. DeGroot just because he looks as close to him as Locke does to Marvin Candle--beard or no beard. I'm pretty sure that the writers are trying to give us a hint of closure with Alex--I'm 99% sure it's Danielle's Alex. And since we only saw an arm, no one can prove anything yet. If I'm wrong, I will certainly own up to it.:)

[ILuvMasterShake]

The bearded man also mentioned about not eating food that doesn't belong to you. Funny how all the boar disappeared soon after Locke started hunting them. Did the Others have something to do with this?

And beardo is not Mr DeGroot. The two corpses that Jack found at the caves are the DeGroots.

I certainly had not thought about the corpses at the caves... Jack did say that it looked like they lived there... maybe after the "incident" they went into hiding? :confused:

[antera309]

True, the corpses were never identified as the DeGroots, but we don't know of anyone else that they could be that have any significance to the story.

[ConWoman]

do u think it has anything to do with the french lady??......is that her husband??....just a guess

It Couldn't be she shot her husband and the rest of her team remember?

[piercedguy69]

does anyone think they bearded man could be one of those people from the dharma video? he was a bearded guy who was working on his doctorate or something......i was thinking they all moved to the island, and the numbers thing is just a psychology test to see how long people will push the buttons.....thats why walt was able to use the computer, because they have 1 too.

[Doghouse_Riley]

I'm throwing out this little theory I'm thinking on: Zeke knew their names because he in fact has complete dossiers on all the lost-aways. Zeke has some contact with the outside world. I deduce this from the fact that they need fuel for their boat, and also because there is some source of batteries (remember the car batteries in Danielle's lair?). Zeke's clan has these dossiers the same way Goodwin's clan had a passenger list. I suspect the Hanso Foundation has been compiling information on the lost-aways for some time and has provided some or all of it to Zeke and Goodwin.

Fire away. :)

[ronfya]

And what do you think if the bearded man was Hanso himself ... quoting his own words ? :eek:

On another hand, the bearded man is NOT Jack's father. They do NOT have the same voice like some here said and obviously neither the same nose.

And I think he's not Mr Degroot too, again, not the same nose. But it's very less obvious.

[robwebertoo]

And I think he's not Mr Degroot too, again, not the same nose.
nor the same actor.

[Mr.Eko1987]

And what do you think if the bearded man was Hanso himself ... quoting his own words ? :eek:

On another hand, the bearded man is NOT Jack's father. They do NOT have the same voice like some here said and obviously neither the same nose.

And I think he's not Mr Degroot too, again, not the same nose. But it's very less obvious.


What the hell is with all of these people on this site, saying it cant be Mr. Degroot cause of his nose. So the nose is a little different that doesnt mean that the actor in the film wasnt suppose to look like Zeke.

the bearded man is NOT Jack's father

We all know who Jack's father really is and he is not Mr. Zeke.

[spraynpray]

Zeke had a German Luger pistol, that design was used back in WWI and WWII.
It's a rather out dated pistol, if sort of gives a hint to how long the Others may have been there....

[bibwis tolstarx]

The lostaways hear "the other's" whispers and supposedly in parapsychology there is something called "remote viewing" which is on another thread somewhere in the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't spying on them. In Ana Lucia's words, "Remember Goodwin?" and don't forget about Ethan too.:)

[Flight1CC]

Of course it is the same bearded man from the boat. As others said, played by character actor M.C. Gainey (also played Sheriff Roscoe in the Dukes of Hazzard movie, one of his maaaaany bad guy roles), same guy. Sure he looks a little bit different than from the season finale episode last year. He isn't wearing a hat this time and there's much different lighting which will cause anyone with a beard to look a bit "off."

There may also be a bit of a weight difference as Gainey is always shooting in new TV shows and movies as character villians. He weighed a lot more as sheriff Roscoe while he looks thinner in Lost. Also looks like he simply has his beard and makeup groomed a little differently this time (like Marvin Candle's second footage reel where his hair is combed differently)

Jack: "You took Walt."

Bearded man (nodding yes) "Walt's fine. He's a very special boy."

End of story. He is the man on the boat who took walt.

And might I add, the most compellign TV villian I have seen since Arvin Sloane.

Bearded Man should be thankful though that Jack Bristow didn't land on his island. ;)

[Mr. Howell]

Or Jack Bauer, for that matter.

[bibwis tolstarx]

If the losties had Gort, it would be a whole different story (to say the least):) So, do you think the others live in the main hatch--the one that keeps tabs on the other six--if that's how it's set up. Or if there are only six, I'm betting they're in the parapsychology hatch--that's why they wanted Walt, and why they took Alex years ago. But what is Zeke doing with a bunch of kids?:confused:

[lost/wwe fan]

I don't think that that was the Degroots. I also think that the Degroots are the corpuses in the caves.

[pepita]

http://www.hensondb.h-rytter.dk/main.php?id=420&sog=lpup&type=profile

sure sawyer knew him...