was shannon shot/stabbed/neither? [Archive]

survivor

11-11-2005, 06:23 PM

Still think she was shot by Ana Lucia. Before I first entered the Forum to check stuff up about this episode there wasn't even a shadow of a doubt in my mind , but after reading all of this theories I have to admit that some of them make sense. You're all messing with my head!!!! STOP IT!! LOL! Also I think it would be a GREAT twist if Ana didn't do it. It's interesting to see that 48% think she was stabbed , but you haven't convinced me yet!!!

kimbowarrior

11-11-2005, 07:18 PM

lol 50% now! im convinced almost completely that she was stabbed and that it was not ana lucia. but hey who knows? guess we will find out next ep

ace_ryan_icon

11-11-2005, 11:08 PM

She was clearly shot by Ana, i don't understand peoples strange belief that somehow Shannons alive, and Ana wasn't the one who shot her. SHE CLEARLY DID!

kimbowarrior

11-11-2005, 11:26 PM

not that clearly.

jater_luvs_josh

11-11-2005, 11:29 PM

Not sure, but definately not shot. Not then, not by Ana, blah blah...;)

Frink

11-12-2005, 01:20 AM

She was shot by Ana Lucia, there was a sound of a gun shooting, she had an obvious gunshot wound, when the camera pans to Ana Lucia the chamber is empty (the slide all the way back, determining that a shot has been fired and no bullets are left)!

SHE WAS SHOT GET OVER IT!!!

chris29

11-12-2005, 02:18 AM

of course she was shot by ana! dident you see the face of ana!????:D
and who said that the wound was to long? maybe it was just the blood that made it so long....:):D

confidante

11-12-2005, 04:39 AM

Theres a screen cap someone has posted where you can clearly see a slash in Shannon's top, which would be more likely to have been made by a knife - which is where this opinion she was stabbed has come from (and that Ana's shot was just randomly fired out of panic). Shannon may well of been stabbed by the others (which group of others...who knows?!) of which Walt was trying to warn her.

I don't know what I believe. When I watch Lost I just enjoy the show and take everything at face value, its normally not until I come to the board and read theories that I start thinking..."Oh yeah!! That could really be...this , that and the other!" Also, the surprise of the hatch itself and the island being a research station just goes to show that the writers are happy to play with us and that we need to think in terms of things not always being what they seem.

I do believe Shannon is definately dead though. JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelhof have said themselves (dvd extras) that they want to kill main characters so the audience will be like "Wow - anything can happen on this show, no-one is sacred!!" just to further our anticipation and excitement.

I love coming here and chatting with everyone, but sometimes I think people get too carried away in their quest to figure the show out - and actually forget to watch the show and simply enjoy it, rather than watching it frame by frame looking for clues.

peanutshann

11-12-2005, 04:48 AM

it wasn't ana it was an other cheak the screencaps if u don't belive me

ShadedSkies

11-12-2005, 04:52 AM

I picked "shot" because, to me, it's obvious that Ana shot her. But when i look at the injury, i tend to think it looks more like a stab..

The_Monkey

11-12-2005, 04:57 AM

You should've added. Shot by AL, Shot by unknown rifle/gun

Shattered_One

11-12-2005, 05:02 AM

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=810

I think the hole in her shirt can be questionable to a stabbing. After looking at this picture I think she was stabbed and maybe AL was shooting at the person stabbing her, and shes looking at Sayid like, "Don't you believe its me." Jin and Michael could have shown up after she shot and not seen if she actually shot Shannon. So my vote is a stabbing or something other than AL shooting her.

bertha

11-12-2005, 05:11 AM

Well, I think it's kind of obvious that Michael and Jin had just walked up after the shot so they hadn't seen anything. I do wonder, however, if she was still yelling Walt's name when she neared them, and if so, why didn't Michael hear it.

I still think she was shot (until proven otherwise), and she's dead.

tikka69er

11-12-2005, 05:12 AM

i think that shannon was stabbed and that Ana shot the person that stabbed her:eek: but if she was stabbed who stabbed her

solidus

11-12-2005, 05:46 AM

I think she was stabbed. The wound does not look like a gunshot-wound... And we never see Sayid and the tailies on the same screen (except the one scene with the arm).

Maybe the episode 'What Kate did' is not about what she did before they crashed on the island, but what she did to Shannon ;)

Mr.Guybrush

11-12-2005, 05:53 AM

Erm, she was blatently shot...

MISS_CARLYLE

11-12-2005, 06:09 AM

She was stabbed by danielle and ana shot danielle!!

MISS_CARLYLE

11-12-2005, 06:09 AM

thats y ana looked so shoked wel dun tikka!

Mr.Guybrush

11-12-2005, 06:32 AM

No, just look at all the faces, it was Ana that shot Shannon. Dr Eku's face hightlights it. The whole "this one's on you" comment when Cindy 'disappeared' is meant to be ironic. As a few minutes later, Ana shoots Shannon.

-------------------------------EDIT------------------------------------

Ok i take this back, the 2 scenes are not connected to one another, after carefully looking at the evidence and looking at everything in slow mo. You can clearly make out that the shooter is left handed, but Ana is right handed. Therefore she could not have shot Shannon.

But who fired the gunshot? The unknown person near Sayid? Or Ana Lucia?

ahkcasfm

11-12-2005, 06:54 AM

Erm, she was blatently shot...

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x06-abandoned/9/normal_abandoned-cap863.jpg

Does that look like a bullet wound to you?

She is blatantly NOT shot. Ana Lucia will get blamed at first, but believe me, she didn't do it.

lost/wwe fan

11-12-2005, 04:05 PM

I the moment, i'm going to say see was shot. This is based on the evidence we've seen from the episode. But I think after Colision or even Other 48 Days, I will be proven wrong.

dcstealth

11-12-2005, 04:35 PM

I've seen exit wounds you could put a grapefruit in, and exiting thru the
sternum could create a slightly linear appearance.

Mouseykins

11-12-2005, 05:50 PM

Okay, I may not be able decide if Shannon was dead from stabbity or dead from BANG, but I stand by the fact that Danielle killed her:
If it was a stabbity, Danielle stabbed her and Ana-Lucia tried to shoot Danielle.
If it was a BANG, Danielle fired the shot with her rifle and Ana was going to try and shoot her.
I don't think Ana did sucessfully shoot Danielle, but she must have tried.

-sparky-

11-12-2005, 06:48 PM

TBTB are probably reading forums like this and revelling in the FACT that they have caused such a rumpus about whether Shannon was shot or stabbed and who shot or stabbed her...

And what is the point in argueing about it...

Shannon was DEFINATELY shot... AL did it...
Shannon was DEFINATELY stabbed... Danielle did it...
Locke did it, Jack did it, Kate did it...
Shannon ran into one of Danielle mantraps which sprung a pointy stick into her...

Yadda yadda...

The only people who know what happened are TPTB and they aren't giving away anything as yet...

Lets all just agree to disagree and wait and see what develops over the next few episodes...

(One thing does bother me though... If Shannon is yelling at the top of her lungs 'Walt... Walt...' how did Michael not hear this and shout back... IMO the two scenes do NOT take place in the same part of the jungle... But hey... agree with me... disagree with me... whatever!!)

Gawain

11-13-2005, 09:29 AM

Obviously I'm not sure (I don't think anyone can be :p ) , but I think the wound was a little too long to be a shot. The blood was all around (even from left to right) but the wound I saw protracted up-down.
However my reason makes me think she was shot by Ana-Lucia. There was nobody else around (nobody we were able to see) and look at her face :p I guess she was driven by the whispers and shot Shannon without even seeing what she was shooting at.

Besides all... Who cares! Shannon's dead!!:D

kimbowarrior

11-13-2005, 12:16 PM

how do we even know theyre in the same place though gawain?

Gawain

11-13-2005, 12:27 PM

Because in one of the last shots we clearly see Ana-Lucia's arm in front of the camera and, ahead, Sayid holding Shannon.

rhamsis

11-13-2005, 12:34 PM

Im not sure... because the wound is kind of broad for a 44mm gun.. If they or whoever shot her with a shotgun then i'm certain she was shot (or the invisible monster/others inflicted the wound).

dcstealth

11-13-2005, 02:04 PM

A high velocity rifle, like those Dannielle had, could rip her entire sternum off if she was shot in the back. At close range, a 9mm like Anna had would do the same.
And if her rounds came from the Marshall, they are probably hydrashocks, designed to do just that

tabjai

11-13-2005, 02:07 PM

I honestly think that Danielle took no part in the killing of shannon. It is evident that Ana-Lucía shot her. Her reaction clearly told people she aimed at shannon and killed her. Ana Lucía was a cop, she must have had good aim

dcstealth

11-13-2005, 02:27 PM

I've watched it a fw times, and can't get a good picture of their orientation with each other. The chest is the exit wound, if the make up guys did their jobs.
If she turned around, to be shot in the back, then was Walt running toward the tailies?

lost*in*love

11-13-2005, 02:36 PM

I'd say she was stabbed.

yellowsubmarine

11-13-2005, 04:12 PM

I voted for stabbed. Mostly because the wound doesn't look like a bullet wound to me, not that I have any expertise in wounds or something but yeah. I guess I'm comparing it to Sawyers shoulder.

I read that maybe Ana-Lucia and the others with her may not even be by Sayid and Shannon so I rewatched the ending and sure enough they're not once in the same frame, which has me convinced that no matter how Shannon died, Ana-Lucia didn't kill her, despite how much I wanted Sayid to kill her.

I have a new theory that Ana-Lucia actually killed Cindy. That would kind of twist the comment she made to Mr. Echo about "This one's on you." And maybe they're close enough for Sayid to have heard the gun shot, but if they were close enough for it to have been Ana-Lucia, Michael would have heard Shannon yelling Walt and you'd think he would have said something?

Ana Lucía was a cop, she must have had good aim
Where'd you get that from?

Arcadion

11-14-2005, 03:13 AM

I'm going out on a limb and saying that Ana shot Shannon, the look on her face says it all. And the Others set it all up, they want the 2 groups against each other.

Jordan17

11-14-2005, 03:22 AM

I think she was shot by Ana Lucia. I don't think that she was stabbed/shot/whatever by someone else (or "the others"), and Ana Lucia killed someone else.

If you look at the way the episodes are shaping up, the tailenders have now met up with the original Lost crew, which is now the perfrect time to show "The Other 48 Days".

I think it made more sense to show "The Other 48 Days" when the two groups met up. Therefore I think that Ana Lucia shot shannon, now both of the groups are all as one.

Now we see what happened to the tailenders before.

xhajkx

11-14-2005, 01:20 PM

Because in one of the last shots we clearly see Ana-Lucia's arm in front of the camera and, ahead, Sayid holding Shannon.
Did you see AL's face in that scene where Sayid was holding Shannon? I didn't. Actually nobody saw that. So how can you say that it was so clear that we saw AL in that scene?

Fitty Page

11-14-2005, 01:50 PM

I've seen exit wounds you could put a grapefruit in, and exiting thru the
sternum could create a slightly linear appearance.

It is not an exit wound. Here is a screen cap right before Shannon turns around and there is no wound on her back.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=809

Like you said dcstealth...exit wounds are very large. Especially if you are shot with a large caliber gun like Ana Lucia's. Since there is no exit wound on Shannon's back, Shannon was stabbed in the front.

IamLOST922

11-14-2005, 01:58 PM

What a close vote! I think that she was shot. I don't know much about guns but the sound of it shotting sounded more like a rifle to me than a hand gun, thus, it Ana didn't do it but it was still done by a gun.

jjaxe13

11-14-2005, 02:28 PM

hey i havent voted but does anyone think that walt could have killed shannon? or been forced to by the others?

Fitty Page

11-14-2005, 02:35 PM

hey i havent voted but does anyone think that walt could have killed shannon? or been forced to by the others?

No not really, I think Walt was trying to protect Shannon.

Ravenous

11-14-2005, 03:25 PM

MrSark

11-14-2005, 03:33 PM

Im sure she got stabbed, her wound looked like but now, we have to explain why Sayid heard a gunshot before Shannon died

Brisbane_rob

11-14-2005, 03:43 PM

i think the evidnce speks for itslef..

and people should realsie that nothing is as it seems on t eisland. what is obvious is thast the writers will try to make us think one way but reality is totaly different.

they have painted ana as being bad from the start jsut so that eveyone would thin kshe did the shooting

-sparky-

11-14-2005, 05:15 PM

It's clearly not a gunshot wound. It looks like a large piece of metal stabbed her in the gut (not unlike the Marshall's wound), then was yanked out.

I just can't fathom the producers going to all the trouble of making such a large and conspicuous wound, if it was just the result of a gunshot, from a 9mm no less. There is clearly more to this scene than meets the eye.

Am I the first person to mention in this thread... the name Goodwin!

Remember how Jin find him dead... and how was he killed...

Think back people...

He was found with a stake in his chest...

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x05-found2/2/andfound-cap252.jpg

Doesn't THAT look similar to Shannons injury...

Now... put 2 and 2 together...

Mouseykins

11-14-2005, 05:21 PM

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x05-found2/2/andfound-cap252.jpg

Doesn't THAT look similar to Shannons injury...

Um, in my opinion, not really. That is more of a stabitty jabbity. I can't see any visible ripping, just a big OMGHOLE.
Shannon=slashed up. Like, flesh rip of death.

Jordan17

11-14-2005, 05:25 PM

I see you're point.....

Also, now that I think back - i'm wondering why they let Shannon run off into the jungle, and show Sayid's reaction after the gunshot sound.

Why didn't they just show Ana-Lucia shooting Shannon. Its making me think that this is 2 seperate incidents edited as one even more.

Mouseykins

11-14-2005, 05:28 PM

EXACTLY! Why not just show Ana killing her? Because they are separate scenes! Danielle is the person with their back turned in the Sayid shot. That's why Sayid has a clear look of recognition and OMG HOW COULD YOU on his face. Meanwhile, Ana shot either Cindy or Libby. Cindy disappeared and Libby wasn't shown in this scene.

Gawain

11-15-2005, 04:01 AM

Did you see AL's face in that scene where Sayid was holding Shannon? I didn't. Actually nobody saw that. So how can you say that it was so clear that we saw AL in that scene?

Well it seemed to me that was AL's arm and I think I recognized the weapon she has on her side.Plus we see her holding the gun(the gun from where the bullet came, clearly) with Mr. Eko and the other survivors on the background.
Perharps there is a little doubt, I get you point... Normally with Lost I don't do that, but this time I believe what I saw and what I saw was AL shooting at Shannon ;)

Jordan17

11-15-2005, 06:51 AM

So, we are going to learn about the first 48 days of the tailenders. Now, when would be a perfect time to show this episode?

When the two groups meet up together, and become one group. Because then - we know what both groups have been through since the crash, and they will now go about things as one group.

Why would they show what happened in the previous 48 days for the tailenders, while they are still wondering about the jungle, lost?

It just makes more sense to catch up with their background since the crash when the 2 groups meet up and become one.

And what happened in 2 x 06 ? They meet up at the end - Ana-Lucia shot Shannon.

Tim77

11-15-2005, 10:45 AM

No not really, I think Walt was trying to protect Shannon.by leading her towards certain death? If walt was trying to protect shannon he woulda been smarter to not appear in the tent and have her go off chasing him

xlostxjoeyx

11-15-2005, 10:49 AM

I understand that a lot of you people need clarity, but Shannon WAS shot by Lucia. They arnt pulling our strings on this one.

nwtim

11-15-2005, 01:40 PM

I understand that a lot of you people need clarity, but Shannon WAS shot by Lucia. They arnt pulling our strings on this one.Okay, let's say that we're not having a fast one pulled on us because of it being sweeps month and Shannon was shot. I still need an explanation for how Shannon's blouse was cut/torn like it was right where the bleeding was. Got one?

We've seen traps before on the island. Why couldn't she have come across a trap that sent something very sharp up through her abdomen and into her heart? In that case nobody's directly guilty of killing her but since it was raining so hard everyone will first assume that AL shot her. When Jack (presumably) does the autopsy he'll find that it's not a bullet wound that killed her.

I've also got a suspicion about those sharpened boomerangs that some of the tailers had strapped to their sticks.

Whatever it is, it had to be sharp enough to tear Shannon's blouse in a fairly straight line. Hard to visualize how a bullet could do that.

kimbowarrior

11-15-2005, 01:53 PM

also if it was a bullet, wouldnt there be an exit wound in her back?

Ravenous

11-15-2005, 03:02 PM

Um, in my opinion, not really. That is more of a stabitty jabbity. I can't see any visible ripping, just a big OMGHOLE.
Shannon=slashed up. Like, flesh rip of death.

Yeah, Shannon's wound is HUGE!

Having immersed myself in the study of bladed weaponry, it looks like she was ran-through with a large European greatsword or war sword. I own several Euro swords, but not even any of them are large enough to cause that kind of wound. We are talking something very wide and very powerful.

Of course, the writers will tell you that it was caused by Ana's 9mm, as we all know that 9mm bullets make holes the size of my fist. ;)

Gawain

11-15-2005, 03:06 PM

also if it was a bullet, wouldnt there be an exit wound in her back?

Not necessarily. It depends from the distance she was shot, the type of bullet and what did the bullet hit.

Tibbz

11-15-2005, 03:32 PM

That wound is too big for me to believe that a handgun did that to her. I say she was stabbed.

kimbowarrior

11-15-2005, 05:06 PM

if she was shot from that distance there would have to have been an exit wound, it was pretty close, like a few metres

Whit

11-15-2005, 05:12 PM

She was shot by Ana Lucia.

Trent reznor

01-15-2006, 01:22 PM

most undoubtably shot by dannielle. that was sooo a rifle wound. And Shannon was kind of facing to the left when AL's bullet supposably hit her. so i think it was rousseau (or however u spell it)

*Pauly*

01-15-2006, 01:27 PM

I find it funny how you can question the fact she was shot by Ana and then say it was definetly Danielle cause it was a 'rifle wound.' After the seventh episode I don't see how there can be any doubt she was shot by Ana which has been confirmed by the producers aswell.