Why does everyone hate Ana?

[elysian_fields]

Why does everyone seem to hate Ana-Lucia? And if I hear one more person say it's because she's played by Michelle Rodriguez I'll freak :-P. Do people actually have a decent reason for not liking this character? We hardly know anything about her and already there's an ungodly uprising against her.

Personally, I think she's a fantastic character. She's another very complex person that will add plenty of spice to the show. She's definitely got her own personality, more commanding than Kate and more in control than the rest of the girls on the show. I think she's a great add. Completely awesome how they tricked Sawyer, Jin, and Mike into telling her where they were from.

So anyway, yeah, I hear a lot of "I hate Ana!" posts but I don't see any follow-up reasons. I completely respect your views cause hey, if I knew her in real life I'd probable hate her too, I'm just wondering why people do.

[Scarlett]

Sigh.

I'll leave Michelle out of this. My major reasons for hating Ana have little to do with her anyway, although that doesn't help.

From the airport scene, she rubbed me the wrong way. And let me assure you, it's not just some shipper jealousy--I enjoyed the Jack/Sarah story, as well as Jack flirting w/ Cindy the flight attendant. But Ana's demeanor during the airport conversation just grated on me--I found her harsh and too forward. I like directness, but she didn't seem to be direct in a candid, endearing way but rather abrasive. Except for that one parting comment to Jack that "the worst part's over," her attitude to his father's death seemed callous. She didn't have to trip all over herself saying awkward "I'm sorry"s, but she could have been a little more sensitive. If you turned down the sound and looked at her expressions, they could have been talking about his favorite football team losing.

As for this season, every word out of her mouth--except for when she said "I'm sorry" to Michael when he asked if she'd seen Walt--has confirmed my suspicion. I get that shes' been through hell, and is probably a very brave person. But past experiences, no matter how horrible, don't warrant being bossy---a commading and in-charge leader, but not bossy in the way my 6-year-old sister can be. Her whole 'When I say walk, you walk..." speech made me want to vomit. I get that she felt threatened by the original survivors at first, and that's why she was so hostile. But AFTER she realized that they weren't enemies, the only possible motivationfor her physical abuse of Sawyer was cockiness. She didn't like him mouthing off to her, so she tried to verbally control him and then stepped in his shoulder gunshot wound with her boot. Nice.

I see that she's a survivor, and that's cool. I get that people willl do anything to survive. That's not my problem with her though--all our survivors have done things that are despicable--even after their arrival on the island. But that's lessened by the fact that they're interesting, complex characters. Even Sawyer, who I hated at first, redeemed himself with his complexity. Even when he was an ass in the beginning of season 1, he was just cocky and annoying--not in-your-face bossy and wanting to be in control of everything.

Ana's mannerisms also grate on my nerves. She has to be rough to survive out there. But so does everyone else, and you don't see them swaggering around w/ a gun and a stick on their hip, barking out orders to everyone who's around. Most of the characters have held guns and been in tense situations where their body language reflected that, but never in the cocky, swaggering way AL walks and carries herself. Even in the airport, her demeanor exuded overconfidence and arrogance. Sawyer walks with confidence, and Kate's certainly not a wallflower. But their characters have huge weaknesses, and they're not these inhuman cardboad cut-outs of someone on the LAPD or something. AL tries too hard to be in control and portray herself as some ultimate jungle leader, and that's manifested in her body language.

As for pure character, it's true we haven't seen much of her yet. But I've seen nothing--except that one line to Michael that I mentioned from 'Orientation"--to suggest that she has any side to her personality other than "rambina." Mr. Eko seemed like a typical violent badass at first, but the second he realized Sawyer/Jin/Michael weren't enemies, he immediately changed his behavior, even sacrificing himself to save them after merely a few days. People who say AL can't be nice because she's the "leader" forget that Eko is instrumental to their survival, too. Tonight when he wasn't there, she was lost. He's a leader too, just not in a bossy, "it's my party" way. And yet he can maintain that position of control without alienating others and being a total b****.

Here's an objective, factual list of a few reasons why fans might dislike Ana Lucia, all actress prejudices aside:

--as a new cast member, her prescence automatically takes screen time away from characters we've all come to know and love
--JJ and others have made it pretty blatant that she will be someone's love interest, which automatically arouses shipper territorial feelings
--she punched Sawyer twice and stepped in his bullet wound with her boot: as Sawye'rs one of the show's most popular characters, that's going to stir some hatred up
--her behavior contrasts starkly with that of Eko and Libby, who are in the same boat she is but manage to be kind to our survivors
--she suggested they leave Sawyer behind several times, a fact many original fans would resent
--she basically belittled Eko for going to help Jin, another popular character, find Michael
--Boone and Shannon died, and yet instead of focusing on the original survivors new ones are brought in.

You get the idea. Between all those reasons, it's no wonder that she's such an unpopular character. Add to that that Michelle Rodriguez is an actress who rubs many people the wrong way (just as she's loved by many others) and is coming onto this popular, character-driven show as not only a full cast member but a love interest for the most loved men on the show, "competition" for the most loved woman, and someone who will doubtless try to upset the roles already established on our side's society. Maybe the question is, Why does anyone LIKE Ana? ;)

[Lloyd_SanDiego]

I don't hate her!

[*Pauly*]

It's not just her actions.. beating up on Sawyer, KILLING SHANNON it's her general character traits. She seems to think she is superior and didn't care whether Sawyer died or not. I honestly don't know how she landed the leadership of the tallies. She is horrible. Mr Eko should beat her upside the head and take control.

[Scarlett]

It's not just her actions.. beating up on Sawyer, KILLING SHANNON it's her general character traits. She seems to think she is superior and didn't care whether Sawyer died or not. I honestly don't know how she landed the leadership of the tallies. She is horrible. Mr Eko should beat her upside the head and take control.

Yep. It's not so much her actions, although they're horrible, too. It's her superiority complex. Even Jin and Sawyer, who most people disliked at first, were never like this. SHe's in-your-face about how supposed skills, and seems to be more concerned with being a toughass than being a human being.

Eko's the true leader beacuse he commands respect as well as obedience.

[tipntop]

It's not just her actions.. beating up on Sawyer
Come on, everyone beats up Sawyer ;) . There's nothing wrong with that :p . We love Sawyer getting punched :D , and so does he... I am always very happy when Sawyer gets beaten up :) , because it's quite fun and makes Sawyer even more defiant and say even more (funny) mean stuff.

I personally like Ana Lucia. Like Jack, she's put in command by her fellow survivors but has always to justify her decisions. She acts tough because the situation requires her to be tough, it seems that Goodwin was too lenient and it was that that got him killed. As for killing Shannon, I feel the same way towards her as I did for instance with Sawyer missing the Marshal's heart or killing the wrong Sawyer. They didn't meant to do what they did and they suffer for it.

I don't see Mr Eko as a leader. He doesn't seem that sure of himself. His willing to help the rafties seems to hide a kind a will for redemption, like he's done something bad and wants to compensate.

[celes]

I think Ana Lucia's a fine character. I definately prefer her over Kate. >< But that's another argument.

From the airport scene, she rubbed me the wrong way. And let me assure you, it's not just some shipper jealousy--I enjoyed the Jack/Sarah story, as well as Jack flirting w/ Cindy the flight attendant. But Ana's demeanor during the airport conversation just grated on me--I found her harsh and too forward. I like directness, but she didn't seem to be direct in a candid, endearing way but rather abrasive. Except for that one parting comment to Jack that "the worst part's over," her attitude to his father's death seemed callous. She didn't have to trip all over herself saying awkward "I'm sorry"s, but she could have been a little more sensitive. If you turned down the sound and looked at her expressions, they could have been talking about his favorite football team losing.


When I first saw Ana in "Exodus", I immediately liked her. Yes, she was forward but that's her personality. Her motive to me was to get Jack to loosen up in regards to Jack's father's death. To some, it come off as harsh and insensitive. To others (aka: those who like her), it came off as a conversation that loosened Jack up, made him smile, and made him laugh. Forget my shipping opinion, but Jack looked like he appreciated Ana's efforts and Ana looked happy that she could get Jack to relax.

As for this season, every word out of her mouth--except for when she said "I'm sorry" to Michael when he asked if she'd seen Walt--has confirmed my suspicion. I get that shes' been through hell, and is probably a very brave person. But past experiences, no matter how horrible, don't warrant being bossy---a commading and in-charge leader, but not bossy in the way my 6-year-old sister can be. Her whole 'When I say walk, you walk..." speech made me want to vomit. I get that she felt threatened by the original survivors at first, and that's why she was so hostile. But AFTER she realized that they weren't enemies, the only possible motivationfor her physical abuse of Sawyer was cockiness. She didn't like him mouthing off to her, so she tried to verbally control him and then stepped in his shoulder gunshot wound with her boot. Nice.

I think it's understandable about her actions in this season have some truth to it. Wednesday, she told Michael that the Others kidnap three people on the first day they crashed. Then two weeks later, nine people disappear. I can see why as a leader she would come off as bossy. If twelve people disappear under your noses, you are going to be highly suspicious of anyone and anything. It's hard not to. She wants to go back to find the other survivors without harm falling onto anyone by the Others. You can't do this without exerting some sort of bossiness. I will admit that stepping on Sawyer's wound was a bit harsh. I guess it's time to insert the ever popular cliché here: Nobody's perfect.

I see that she's a survivor, and that's cool. I get that people willl do anything to survive. That's not my problem with her though--all our survivors have done things that are despicable--even after their arrival on the island. But that's lessened by the fact that they're interesting, complex characters. Even Sawyer, who I hated at first, redeemed himself with his complexity. Even when he was an ass in the beginning of season 1, he was just cocky and annoying--not in-your-face bossy and wanting to be in control of everything.

Couldn't the same be for Ana? I mean, I hated Sawyer in the beginning too. And I didn't think I could find a way to like him. But there was a way: I saw his backstory. I learned why he is the way he is. Backstory episodes of a character can swing your opinion in the opposite direction. Ana's is coming up. I think this will help everyone understand her a little bit more. People will still hate her (or just be stubborn and not open minded) but at least then they can see a little bit deeper into why Ana is the way she is. That's the purpose of a backstory.


Ana's mannerisms also grate on my nerves. She has to be rough to survive out there. But so does everyone else, and you don't see them swaggering around w/ a gun and a stick on their hip, barking out orders to everyone who's around. Most of the characters have held guns and been in tense situations where their body language reflected that, but never in the cocky, swaggering way AL walks and carries herself. Even in the airport, her demeanor exuded overconfidence and arrogance. Sawyer walks with confidence, and Kate's certainly not a wallflower. But their characters have huge weaknesses, and they're not these inhuman cardboad cut-outs of someone on the LAPD or something. AL tries too hard to be in control and portray herself as some ultimate jungle leader, and that's manifested in her body language.

I don't think she exerts overconfidence or arrogance (then again, I don't pay attention to her walk :p ) and she doesn't try too hard. Ana does have a certain demeanor that lets people know that she's direct, forward, and not afraid to take control of a situation. Who's to say Ana doesn't have weaknesses? We did learn the biggest weaknesses through Kate's and Sawyer's episodes. The same will be with Ana Lucia. As for trying to be the jungle leader, well why would she attempt to be like that? I doubt that her biggest concern right now is to have the look of a leader. Her confident demeanor can help serve to intimidate threats.

As for pure character, it's true we haven't seen much of her yet. But I've seen nothing--except that one line to Michael that I mentioned from 'Orientation"--to suggest that she has any side to her personality other than "rambina." Mr. Eko seemed like a typical violent badass at first, but the second he realized Sawyer/Jin/Michael weren't enemies, he immediately changed his behavior, even sacrificing himself to save them after merely a few days. People who say AL can't be nice because she's the "leader" forget that Eko is instrumental to their survival, too. Tonight when he wasn't there, she was lost. He's a leader too, just not in a bossy, "it's my party" way. And yet he can maintain that position of control without alienating others and being a total b****.

Sawyer was that way too. There were very few exceptions showing that Sawyer had a compassionate side. Again,. Sawyer's backstory exposed his flaws and the other side of his personality: his insecurities and his guilt of his life. The same could be for Ana Lucia.

Eko is a leader and at first it surprised me that he wasn't the leader. Now I figure that he really doesn't want the role of leader, otherwise he would be in Ana's position (minus the "gruffness"). He enjoys being the side leader and keeping Ana in check. The two balance each other out nicely. A leader doesn't always have to harsh and a leader doesn't always have to be compassionate.

--as a new cast member, her prescence automatically takes screen time away from characters we've all come to know and love
--JJ and others have made it pretty blatant that she will be someone's love interest, which automatically arouses shipper territorial feelings
--she punched Sawyer twice and stepped in his bullet wound with her boot: as Sawye'rs one of the show's most popular characters, that's going to stir some hatred up
--her behavior contrasts starkly with that of Eko and Libby, who are in the same boat she is but manage to be kind to our survivors
--she suggested they leave Sawyer behind several times, a fact many original fans would resent
--she basically belittled Eko for going to help Jin, another popular character, find Michael
--Boone and Shannon died, and yet instead of focusing on the original survivors new ones are brought in.

Just making arguments to contrast the list. I do agree with two of them though (not for hating Ana but just in general).
-She's not the only new character. If that were the case, why don't people hate Eko? Or Libby?
-That is true but it also gives new possibilities for ships that entertain people (even going as far as Ana/Artz :rolleyes: ). Sometimes people like a little change.
-That does stir up a bit of controversy. But there are still people who like her. Again, nobody's perfect. They make mistakes (even large ones such as that).
-It's all about balance. You can't expect all of them to be kind to our survivors. And contrasts makes things more interesting.
-That is harsh but she was trying to think of how to get the most number of people to safety. Saywer does cause a conflict with this.
-WHy wouldn't she? She disagreed with his decision to go after Jin to find Michael in the jungle where the Others rule. She felt that doing that would have risked a very important member to their group.
-New characters give the show a little more flavor. Having too many characters can cause confusion and/or a feeling of being overwhelmed.

You get the idea. Between all those reasons, it's no wonder that she's such an unpopular character. Add to that that Michelle Rodriguez is an actress who rubs many people the wrong way (just as she's loved by many others) and is coming onto this popular, character-driven show as not only a full cast member but a love interest for the most loved men on the show, "competition" for the most loved woman, and someone who will doubtless try to upset the roles already established on our side's society. Maybe the question is, Why does anyone LIKE Ana? ;)

Again, my opinion on Kate's for another argument. And it was bound for these new characters to become love interests for the old ones. Sparks flew between Michael and Libby. The survivors weren't going to find love within their original groups. And as mentioned before, people love to explore the new possibilites of ships (I do tremendously).

It's not just her actions.. beating up on Sawyer, KILLING SHANNON it's her general character traits. She seems to think she is superior and didn't care whether Sawyer died or not. I honestly don't know how she landed the leadership of the tallies. She is horrible. Mr Eko should beat her upside the head and take control.

She accidently killed Shannon. It was a tragic mistake, yes but a mistake nonetheless. You can tell she regrets it. I am upset that Shannon died but Ana had no intention (nor did she realize) that she killed another survivor.

Like I said before, Eko could have taken that role long ago. I just don't think he wants to.

Yep. It's not so much her actions, although they're horrible, too. It's her superiority complex. Even Jin and Sawyer, who most people disliked at first, were never like this. SHe's in-your-face about how supposed skills, and seems to be more concerned with being a toughass than being a human being.

Eko's the true leader beacuse he commands respect as well as obedience.

She's more concerned with getting people to safety. She believes doing that is taking the strict way. And Eko does command that respect and obedience. Again, they both balance each other out.

(I don't mean to pick on you scarlett_106. You just provided a long list of arguments. Sorry if it comes off that way. :) )

[LostTop10]

I dont hate Ana Lucia or anyone else for that matter.
But i could very easely state a few members and their past,who are much worst then Ana,but i like them too.We have a Murder,every one loves her (so do i).
We have a recovering junky,i also like him,at least since hes been clean.Another con artist who is has a great script,i even feel sorry for him right now.

So you since,there are worst scripts then AL,But i dont understand,nor do i care.

Scarlet 106,you post is very complete on many of those reasons.But after the next episode,and we see what the hell hapen to Anna,ill just wait

[LarryDavid4Prez]

Here's an objective, factual list of a few reasons why fans might dislike Ana Lucia, all actress prejudices aside:

--as a new cast member, her prescence automatically takes screen time away from characters we've all come to know and love
--JJ and others have made it pretty blatant that she will be someone's love interest, which automatically arouses shipper territorial feelings
--she punched Sawyer twice and stepped in his bullet wound with her boot: as Sawye'rs one of the show's most popular characters, that's going to stir some hatred up
--her behavior contrasts starkly with that of Eko and Libby, who are in the same boat she is but manage to be kind to our survivors
--she suggested they leave Sawyer behind several times, a fact many original fans would resent
--she basically belittled Eko for going to help Jin, another popular character, find Michael
--Boone and Shannon died, and yet instead of focusing on the original survivors new ones are brought in. Thank you, you said it all.

AL's personality is so unappealing and honestly, while I may dislike some of the ORIGINAL cast, seeing those characters marginalized/harmed because of NEW characters ones is going to piss me off.

The major reason why I can't stand AL is her incredible lack of empathy (not to mention her over-enunciating), which is maddening. Seeing a new character boss around and mistreat characters that I've grown attached to is NOT endearing at all. At least when Jack took charge, I could see it being justifiable because a.) he's a doctor and therefore knowledgable & b.) he actually seemed to give a damn about people's feelings.

You want me to like a new character? See Bernard, Eko, or even Libby. Those are good examples of new characters who I can sympathize with because they themselves show compassion/concern for others.

And no, I have no shipper-oriented agenda(s) seeing as how I also can't stand Kate or Jack, therefore the appeals of "Jate" or "Skate" are totally lost on me.

[ShinyThings]

Well said scarlett_106. I think for me, the over all reason is that she's excessively brutal and rude in situations where she doesn't need to be - which is why she can make the mistake of getting trigger happy and killing someone accidentally. At least when Sawyer was being a jerk he made into a joke and he waited to see the polar bear before he shot it.

I know she's on edge because the 'others' took so many of their survivors but that's the perfect reason to not panic. And that's what she does, she panics and covers it up by being a royal btch - like when she was lost and Sawyer knew it.

[Scarlett]

You want me to like a new character? See Bernard, Eko, or even Libby. Those are good examples of new characters who I can sympathize with because they themselves show compassion/concern for others.


Exactly. celes, it's true that Ana is not the only new character. But note that that wasn't my sole rason, either. It's a combination of factors that contribute to people's hatred or at least dislike for her. Libby and Eko are new, but many people (including me) like them because although they do take screen time away from the originals, I enjoy their scenes and think they will contribute to our survivors' welfare.

As I've said before, I'm sick of using "what happened during the other 48 days" as an excuse for everything Ana may say or do. Especially when a direct contrast can be made with Eko, who--unlike Libby--has also stepped to the forefront of the tailies. It's obvious that horrendous experiences don't HAVE to make you cruel and uncaring. Harsh, yes. Stern, yes. But never in the abusive way that Ana is.

Not every character will ultimately be likeable. This isn't some afterschool special on how life experiences shape people's current personalities. You're not a slave to your past--even Sawyer, Kate and other people we've come to love were never completely one-dimensional and in-your-face. They had issues, yes--but those issues never disgusted me the way Ana's do. From day one, when we saw Kate sewing up Jack, Sawyer just separating himself and smoking a cigarette--it was obvious that despite their problems, they didn't have a god complex and werent' trying to take over the island--and our favorite show.

[Marystat]

I think it has allready been said but I am gonna repeat it lol

Right NOW, and I stress right NOW, I hate her..it is not just what she has done so far...it is her ATTITUDE..her bossyness..I have personal issues with ppl being that bossy and it always brings my claws out. I do NOT tolerate being bossed around being ordered what to do without a reasonnable explanation. The only time she did explain why they had to keep moving blabla was when Michael (loved him in that scene!) stood up to hear and demanded to know why. She did..but did it in yet a snotty bossy way. I really dislike ppl like that!

Now I DID like Ana in Exodus..she came across as a cool girl there...I hope to see more of THAT side of her..then maybe I can get to like her again. However if the Ana we have seen so far is what her main trait will be that will be hard for me to do.

It is not just what she did to Sawyer that makes me feel this way, allthough some Sawyer haters may think that Sawyer fans hate Ana cos of that. To me it is how she behaves. I get annoyed with Jack too when he get all bossy. I just do not care or respect ppl who has to act overly bossy! Quiet authorities like Mr. Eko, or say Sayid..now those I have massive respect for.

In the scene where Sawyer ask Ana if she was married and she answers back..that banter, Ana showed some sense of humor there...and after Shannon got shot, stabbed whatever REALLY did happen the expression on Ana's face did give a glimps that there MAY be some hope for this character. But the bossy and brutal attitude has GOT TO GO..and yes that goes for any gender on the island!

As for Michelle Rodriguez...I think she is doing a great job though! And if Ana turns out to be the female character we love to hate...hey so be it :). I guess all TV shows have those characters LOL

[celes]

As I've said before, I'm sick of using "what happened during the other 48 days" as an excuse for everything Ana may say or do. Especially when a direct contrast can be made with Eko, who--unlike Libby--has also stepped to the forefront of the tailies. It's obvious that horrendous experiences don't HAVE to make you cruel and uncaring. Harsh, yes. Stern, yes. But never in the abusive way that Ana is.

People react differently to situations. Some give up hope, some accept it, some don't even care. Not all of them can end up reacting to the crash and what happened to them the same way. Based on Ana's actions, the past 48 days obviously affected her. How did she go from "Exodus" Ana to "Island" Ana? There is a reason why she changed during those 48 days. She didn't land on the island and suddenly decide to be a bitch.

Not every character will ultimately be likeable. This isn't some afterschool special on how life experiences shape people's current personalities. You're not a slave to your past--even Sawyer, Kate and other people we've come to love were never completely one-dimensional and in-your-face. They had issues, yes--but those issues never disgusted me the way Ana's do. From day one, when we saw Kate sewing up Jack, Sawyer just separating himself and smoking a cigarette--it was obvious that despite their problems, they didn't have a god complex and werent' trying to take over the island--and our favorite show.

Kate and Sawyer are deeply moved by their past still. Look at Sawyer who carries around a letter and took the name of the man that he had come to hate and turn into. Look at Kate who desperately tried to keep her past a secret, who tried to lie to Jack when it came to her past (Whatever the Case May Be in season one).
Your past has an affect on your future; you can change that effect into a postive or negative one.

Ana isn't taking over the show. Has Ana become the main focus of the show? Has her character solely become the purpose as to why 'Lost' was created? No. She, like every other character, contribute to the show in their own way.

This isn't an afterschool special about how life experiences change people. But this show does involve how these people change and grow up because of their experiences. Claire went from a single soon-to-be mom ready to give up her child to not so single and not ready to give up her child mom. Shannon went from materialistic brat to having a loving relationship with Sayid and forgetting about her selfish needs. These characters grew because of their experience on the island. If this show doesn't deal with that, how is the audience supposed to connect with the characers? How can we, as people, believe that being stuck on an island can change people? Lost is very character driven: it would be hard not to incorporate the change in characters' personalities because of their experience.

[Scarlett]

People react differently to situations. Some give up hope, some accept it, some don't even care. Not all of them can end up reacting to the crash and what happened to them the same way. Based on Ana's actions, the past 48 days obviously affected her. How did she go from "Exodus" Ana to "Island" Ana? There is a reason why she changed during those 48 days. She didn't land on the island and suddenly decide to be a bitch.
Of course the island and her experiences have affected her, I'm not arguing against that. And I have no doubt that once things settle down, she'll become a little less harsh and in-your-face. No doubt.

That being said, I didn't like her in Exodus, either. Just personal preference. Didn't strike me as anything but a too-direct, bad-at-flirting woman who licks her fingers. I'm not saying she was a bad person, just annoyed me. On the island, she's horrible and cruel--but I know that will soften up a lot. Doesn't mean she still can't annoy me, though.


Kate and Sawyer are deeply moved by their past still. Look at Sawyer who carries around a letter and took the name of the man that he had come to hate and turn into. Look at Kate who desperately tried to keep her past a secret, who tried to lie to Jack when it came to her past (Whatever the Case May Be in season one).
Your past has an affect on your future; you can change that effect into a postive or negative one.

Of course the past directly impacts our characters. I hated Sawyer at first,a nd love him now. But I"m just sick of being applying faulty logic and saying that since I like Sawyer, I will like Ana. It's not that simple. I dislike Ana for different reasons than I like sawyer. Even when I couldnt' stand him, I found Sawyer's character enjoyable for the humor and eye-rolling material he provided. Ana's prescence is offensive in the sense that it's in-your-face, and not in a good way. Just because I hate her as a "person" less, doesn't mean I have to eventually like her and enjoy her being on the show, you know?

Ana isn't taking over the show. Has Ana become the main focus of the show? Has her character solely become the purpose as to why 'Lost' was created? No. She, like every other character, contribute to the show in their own way.

I totally agree, and with all the examples you provided. I'm a big character person, so I'm all about seeing dynamic, interesting, developing, multi-dimensional characters on the show. That's what separates it from most other TV shows, IMO. But the point is, I have something invested in all those characters. Even in season 1, when I had problems with a few characters, I still had a sense of being invested in them because they were there from the beginning.

Ana comes onto the show, takes Boone's place in the cast photos, and what does she do--flirt with the leading man, physically abuse the other "heartthrob," bosses people we care about around, and demands obedience. To me, that's why most peole don't hate Libby or Eko. They're new in the same way that Ana is, but they're not as in-your-face. If they had brought Ana on as a guest star, I bet the reception would be a lot different. But the fact that she comes on to our original cast not even slowly or in a way that will make her palatable, but in a harsh, in-your-face way? Of course there will be resentment.

Point is, even though Ana the character might become more tolerable--in fact I know she will--to me doesn't mean that I will ever like her. It's not as simple as good/bad (as I'm sure you know). These characters are complex, and so are reactions to them.

[walkindude]

I actually don't mind Ana-Lucia, I especially love the chemistry between her and Sawyer. If you ask me, I believe she is a character designed so that everyone loves to hate her. She also could be the female version of Sawyer. Now I know for a fact that the one person who is going to wind up hating Ana-Lucia guts is Sayeed.

[pftsobfreak]

Okay, my 2 cents. I am an Ana fan. I think people are being very judgemental and are not giving her a chance. I find it odd that people are harping on Ana so much. I don't remember this stuff happening with Kate, Jack, Sawyer, or any of the others. I can only hope that people would stop being so closed-minded after we see more of her character and the other tail-endies this week. The two major things I noticed why people hat her are they're either Jaters and are jealous or scared that she might win Jack. But if Jate really is fate, why are you so scared? Or they don't like Michelle Rodriguez and are being a bit biased. I'm NOT saying those are the only reasons, but that the major ones. And I am not saying that all Jaters are jealous and scared, just a lot of the Ana-haters are.

[juniper]

Okay, my 2 cents. I am an Ana fan. I think people are being very judgemental and are not giving her a chance. I find it odd that people are harping on Ana so much. I don't remember this stuff happening with Kate, Jack, Sawyer, or any of the others. I can only hope that people would stop being so closed-minded after we see more of her character and the other tail-endies this week. The two major things I noticed why people hat her are they're either Jaters and are jealous or scared that she might win Jack. But if Jate really is fate, why are you so scared? Or they don't like Michelle Rodriguez and are being a bit biased. I'm NOT saying those are the only reasons, but that the major ones. And I am not saying that all Jaters are jealous and scared, just a lot of the Ana-haters are.

Once again: This stuff didn't happen with them because they were different characters. They all received a different fan reaction, otherwise what would the point in adding new characters? I'm pretty sure we aren't meant to like Ana at this point, or the writers would have given us some reason to do so, and no offense, but exactly what's to like? Besides, for all the Ana fans trying to lump the "Ana-haters" into one category i.e. Jaters (sorry, but I disagree), most of you guys seem to be die-hard fans of Rodriguez from her Girlfight days or whatever - in which case you're also biased. You guys are going to instantly take a liking to her, and others have taken an instant disliking. We're not any more close-minded (I'm sorry, but just don't go there - it's not helping your case) than any other fans, thank you very much. They're opinions, so no one's in the wrong.

I'm fairly certain that at this point the writers intend for us to be "against" her and then take pity upon her and forget why we didn't like her in the first place - and in my case I doubt it will take, and I consider it an arrogant assumption.

Unfortunately, I think that as brilliant as the writers are, they may have overestimated themselves on this one. My opinion of all the characters at some point did a complete 180 from the first episode to the last of season one, but even the characters I disliked didn't rub me the wrong way like this one does. Sawyer was easily the greatest offender, but even at his worst, you could visibly see and sense the strong insecurity and inner conflict and empathize with his character. Ana needed that substance from the get-go, but instead her first impression was an incredibly damaging (albeit impressive) portrayal of an extreme-to-the-point-of-being-evil shell-like character. Sawyer she is not.

[Scarlett]

Unfortunately, I think that as brilliant as the writers are, they may have overestimated themselves on this one. My opinion of all the characters at some point did a complete 180 from the first episode to the last of season one, but even the characters I disliked didn't rub me the wrong way like this one does. Sawyer was easily the greatest offender, but even at his worst, you could visibly see and sense the strong insecurity and inner conflict and empathize with his character. Ana needed that substance from the get-go, but instead her first impression was an incredibly damaging (albeit impressive) portrayal of an extreme-to-the-point-of-being-evil shell-like character. Sawyer she is not.

Exactly. Couldn't agree more, juniper.

[Irina]

I'm an AL fan and i hadn't seen her in anything when she first started on Lost (i've since seen the fast and the furious, but nothing else with her). so you can't call me biased in that sense.

even if she "rubbed me the wrong way" i would still give her a chance. i happen to not like michael too much, but i don't go around telling everyone that he should be the next one to go. who knows, maybe i will change my mind about it.

p.s. i wonder how embarrassed the ana haters will be if she turns into a really cool character.

p.p.s. i wonder how embarrassed the ana lovers will be if she turns into a psychopathic killer.

EDIT: i personally would like her more if she were a psychopathic killer. of course, i'm biased, because i almost always like the bad guys in shows/movies. unless they're too steriotypical.

[Leigh]

most of you guys seem to be die-hard fans of Rodriguez from her Girlfight days or whatever - in which case you're also biased. You guys are going to instantly take a liking to her, and others have taken an instant disliking. We're not any more close-minded (I'm sorry, but just don't go there - it's not helping your case) than any other fans, thank you very much.

Well that's pretty presumptious of you. I'm the biggest MR fan of all and I will be the first to tell you when I dislike a character she plays/when she plays one badly....before I am a Michelle fan I am first and formost a film/tv fan. I don't just like Michelle, I criticize her performances and think "No. you should have looked that way! Yikes, you looked bad there!" Its the director in me I guess...but anyway, I liked the first Ana we saw b/c she seemed flirty and cool....whether it was Michelle or not she was a confident fun-seeming character....I for one hate how harsh she is...it does make me dislike the character SOMETIMES, but overall I'm thinking she is an awesome character b/c of those first moments....b/c every character has multiple dynamics.

Being close minded is going "Yuck the girl at the airport is pushy and rude! Then with Sawyer she's evil and cruel....then she's also stupid and bossy!" It's like, ok, um...how about you try to see her good moments? I only have a problem with the close minded haters....the ones who's hate comes from no real reason....if you dislike Ana that's cool with me...heck, her comments irk me too....but I am still waiting for her to show her good side, and all I want is for people to be open about it....some have even gone as far as to already act like "I don't care who she saves later....she sucks! I don't care what she does, she should die!" It's like, whoa...that's not annoying at all lol.

You don't have to like or dislike anyone you don't want to...just don't bring your mindless bashing, or heck even loving (have you seen how some people act about Jack and Sawyer? It's like they can do no wrong) around me....:D

[Joan Locke]

About Ana-Lucia I´m really indifferent.In the airport scene,I saw her as really anoying.It´s quite impertinent to ask a stranger such personal questions.
After seeing how she treated Michael,Jin and especially Sawyer,I found her even worse.Shooting a´t someone,without really looking isn´t a nice behavior,too.
But she also has a lot of good qualities.It was really nice of her to comfort that little girl.She saved many people after the crash and she put herself in danger,trying to stop the others from taking the kids.
To the murder:I really understand her.With a good lawyer that:censored: who shot her,wouldn´t have been accused for tried murder,just for assault.He would have gotten only a few years for killing her child.That does not seem just to me,either.
So,all in one,I think,Ana is so afraid,that she could be attacked,that she is dangerous while having a gun.She really has complexes.But she isn´t a bad person.In "Collison" and "What Kate did" I really felt sorry for her.She didn´t mean to kill Shannon and I think she suffers as much as Sayid because of her death.I understand,that the people who knew Shannon don´t give Ana-Lucia a warm welcome.But sitting there alone the whole time,with nobody saying a word to her or asking her to hear her version simple wasn´t right.

[p_e_r_d_i_d_o]

i wouldn't say everyone hates ana-lucia. there are plenty of ana-lucia fans out there. :)

[Leigh]

perdido, EXCELLENT banner! I'm not even a decided shipper and I adore it!

[Fish1941]

Sounds like many dislike Ana-Lucia because:

a) She had put Jin, Michael and Sawyer through a rough time. Even though the episode "The Other 48 Days" explained why, people refuse to forgive her for this or understand.

b) She possesses attributes in her character that are usually associated with men - toughness, strong-minded, strong-willed, clever, ruthless and a little intimidating - that she does not really bother to hide. This is really unforgivable, because she is a female character . . . and she does not adhere to society's expectations of female behavior in both real life and in fiction.

[beantotherescue]

I think that people get used to the whole blatent good guy vs. blatent bad guy....example Jack=Good guy Ethan=Bad guy. When you throw someone into the mix that is not evil...like Ethan...but clearly not a loveable character..I think people get confused by it and there only reaction is to start slapping labels on her "she's a bitch" "she's ruining the show" etc. and all the writers are doing is creating even more hype.
She's not my favorite but Im not going to get all upset over it like the show isnt supposed to be about conflict and resolution.

[juniper]

I don’t think I am being presumptuous, Leigh. Even though you admit she isn’t perfect, you are predisposed to like her, even if you don’t conscientiously realize it. It doesn’t equal close-mindedness or wrongness, just given the gray you’ll see more lightness and I’ll see more darkness in her. :)

I get the impression that this role was created because writers liked this character in previous roles, since MR’s clearly been typecast.

I’m not saying that character is bad period, but for me it ruins the show because the reason I love(d) Lost is because it’s similar to a literary technique that I’ve always loved called magical realism (geek here :p ), that involves blending reality and surreality in a way so that they blend into something more complex and meaningful than either alone. It’s beautifully complicated, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it done a televised series, and that says a lot.

This character alone appears to have been drop-kicked from some random action-adventure/sci-fi flick and crash-landed in the wrong genre entirely. It fits better within a scheme where random things happen really fast without any meaning and characters are one-dimensional, but they look cool firing a gun. They cry and laugh and imitate humanity but there’s really no point in analyzing them because they’re not reality-based, just clichéd flat characters amidst the action. I don’t think that’s mindless character-bashing, Leigh because I’d probably like her in other circumstances. I’d just rather analyze than guess who AL will shoot next and why. In my opinion, when AL’s being focused on, it sort of causes the entire illusion of Lost to collapse into a bizarre Lost/MR flick crossover. So please kindly stop asking for insight and then reducing everything to: I’ve only seen 1-2 reasons to hate AL and they’re both irrational, or I don’t understand why they hate AL. It must mean they hate women, because you're obviously smart if you enjoy analysis, but you know that isn't the case and it invalidates the purpose of debating.

[Genuine.]

'cause She Freakin' Killed Shannon!!!
:'(

[Kater]

I never really cared for her one way or the other but when she went fishing with Jin and was all "does it look like I speak Korean?" and almost making fun of him and being condescending I just thought, damn, this girl's a bitch. I dont think people are just deciding to hate her on a whim. The writers definitely have a lot to do with it.

[Darbi]

I think that people get used to the whole blatent good guy vs. blatent bad guy....example Jack=Good guy Ethan=Bad guy. When you throw someone into the mix that is not evil...like Ethan...but clearly not a loveable character..I think people get confused by it and there only reaction is to start slapping labels on her "she's a bitch" "she's ruining the show" etc. and all the writers are doing is creating even more hype.
She's not my favorite but Im not going to get all upset over it like the show isnt supposed to be about conflict and resolution.

Exactly! Very well stated. :clap:

[Raven O'Reilly]

I'm just glad Ana's here so people can hate on her and not on my John Locke. ;)

[Marystat]

I'm just glad Ana's here so people can hate on her and not on my John Locke. ;)

That still puzzles me why ppl would hate him...poor Locke :(

Sorry I went OT there....

[rebeccapollak]

I thinks Ana Lucia Rocks! She's such... a character!
Especially since What Kate Did... I like that Ana isn't dependent on anyone, like most of the other female characters are. *cough*Kate*cough*

[InspiredByAKiss*]

I read all the arguments about why she's so bossy, mean and a bitch. I saw the eppy with her past...

Guess what?

I still hate her ! :rolleyes:

Ok. not really hate hate. she's not worth that kind of energy :p but if she's going to have a Sawyer - Jack - Kate foursome, i can't hold back my hatred feelings.
That storyline SUCKS!
and her past isn't that interesting. Ok, she lost her baby, sad and all, but the rest of the episode was kinda boring. And the story seems... over now, i don't see her having another flashbackepisode anytime soon. So, let her do a Sayid and isolate herseld. HE did it because he hurt Sawyer! She did that, too. So come on woman, do what's gotta be done!

[Darbi]

Heck, I think the woman is justified for being as catty, bossy and agressive as she is, I mean, if I'd been wearing the same underwear for the past fifty or so days...I wouldn't be that likeable either.

:P

[rebeccapollak]

Heck, I think the woman is justified for being as catty, bossy and agressive as she is, I mean, if I'd been wearing the same underwear for the past fifty or so days...I wouldn't be that likeable either.

:P
:rotflol::rotflol: lol

[Raven O'Reilly]

Heck, I think the woman is justified for being as catty, bossy and agressive as she is, I mean, if I'd been wearing the same underwear for the past fifty or so days...I wouldn't be that likeable either.

:P


LOL I hadn't thought of that and... you're absolutely right.

[Darbi]

The only issue I took with Ana Lucia was her digging her heel into Sawyers shoulder (completely unnecessary since the man was already down with a gimp arm). And although I understand her reasoning in wanting to get everyone to the other side of the island without getting snatched, and having seen Sawyers indifferent, seemingly selfish attitude about going after Micheal, and looking out for himself, wanting to leave him in the jungle to die alone when Michael and Jin obviously didn't (and really, wouldn't they know better then her how much of an ass he can be?)...not cool.

Part of me says this because I'm a huge Sawyer fan, ( I mean, c'mon...how priceless are those one liners, huh?) but I would have felt the same way if it would have been Michael or Jin with a wounded shoulder...

However, having said that, I generally like Ana Lucia because she isn't an easy pill to swallow. Yes she's forward, yes she's aggressive, yes she's seemingly unapologetic about her approach in handling things, (traits most of us, if we're being honest would admire immensely if she were a man) but I think we've seen that's not entirely the case. Every person on the show has shown some undesirable qualities at times...some more evident than others, we just happened to have seen hers amplified to the 10th degree due to the circumstances she was dealing with.

[juniper]

I think that people get used to the whole blatent good guy vs. blatent bad guy....example Jack=Good guy Ethan=Bad guy. When you throw someone into the mix that is not evil...like Ethan...but clearly not a loveable character..I think people get confused by it and there only reaction is to start slapping labels on her "she's a bitch" "she's ruining the show" etc. and all the writers are doing is creating even more hype. She's not my favorite but Im not going to get all upset over it like the show isnt supposed to be about conflict and resolution.

Actually, I think the point last season was that you were supposed to realize they were all flawed; there wasn't supposed to be a single good or evil character. Jack is flawed as well - remember he lost it after Boone died. Hence the recurring redemption theme.

[tailee]

Heck, I think the woman is justified for being as catty, bossy and agressive as she is, I mean, if I'd been wearing the same underwear for the past fifty or so days...I wouldn't be that likeable either.

:P

AHHHH!!! I never thought about that before! LOL :crackup:

[lkopans]

So far, I actually really like Ana Lucia. She's tough and all that, not that strange for a woman who was a pretty kicka** cop and trained to be suspicious of everything and everyone. As far as how she treated Michael and crew, she had no reason to believe that they were really survivors of the crash, and if I was in her situation, I'd be liable to get pretty testy with anyone who called me "cupcake".

I think I'm especially fond of Ana Lucia because of her nurturing nature with the kids - she totally flipped when they were taken. Since the end of the last episode, she seems to have lost her "everyone here potentially wants to kill me" attitude. She was pretty chill with Jack, and seemed relieved that she could let her guard down.

My impression of this whole "I hate some character I don't even really know" phenomenon is that people see her as a threat to either Jack/Kate or Sawyer/Kate and the little imaginary world of love and happiness so many people wish for those characters (I'm a Jater, by the way!).

Let's just remember that Kate was the fugitive who had a marshall relentlessly chasing after her, telling Jack not to trust her no matter what. Behavior on the island is no indication of any of these people's whole characters - it's way too early in the game to be determining that.

[sawyerfriendly]

I think she's too bossy
She's a loose cannon, she looses control to easily.
Im sorry I just don't like her.

[jate.4.alwayz]

ok it is mostly Jaters who hate Ana because they fear she will come into the already complicated Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle.

I don't hate her although I am a Jater. But I don't want Jack to start to like her. :cool:

[InspiredByAKiss*]

I'm a skater and I hate Ana mostly because of har bossy, mean character, but I don't want her anywhere near Jack and Sawyer..
Jack/Kate, fine, I don't like them as a couple but I'd handle it, Sawyer/Kate, would be awesome!
But Jack/Ana or Sawyer/Ana?
Nooooo :(

[jollyrancher418]

The reason I dislike her is because I find her to be very annoying. It has nothing to do with any of the 'ships (in fact, I find most of them to be annoying, except for Rose/Bernard and Claire/Charlie). It has to do with her demeanor. I'm all for taking charge and being a leader, but you don't have to be all high and mighty to do so. She comes across as thinking she's better than everyone else and that her way is the only right way. The same things make me dislike Jack.

AL seems like the character who does not give at all; she doesn't have an open mind and has no flexibility. Her mind is only set on only what is good for her, which she thinks is good for everyone else. Her life, even from her flashbacks, make it seem like everything is a battle for life or death.

[*Shell*]

Ana Lucia Rocks!
*Runs away from all the anti Ana people*

[Hufflepuff]

I don´t hate Ana-Lucia. I just don´t like her.

[wahinetoa]

I love her, and haven't seen her in any movie or whatever. Yeh, sure she was forward at the airport, a little rash in some actions, but hey.. she ain't some damsel in distress, ya know? Warrior woman. Xena with hotlips!

Girls got guts and smarts to handle those 48days in the sharp toothed maw of the Others. Her compassion for the children, saving that little girl, pulling people from the water the first chance she got. Just like Jack. Sawyer was being a jerk, waving a gun around and threatening her right hand man, Eko. Of course she was gonna smack him down. I would've too. As for the stomping shoulder incident -- well, he had that rock looking for revenge, and knowing his 'revenge' modes can get bloody, she had to make her point.

No matter whatelse, she still HELPED lug his arrogant tooshy up that huge cliff with the rest. Her remorse for Shannon was obvious. And when she cut the ropes on Sayid, then willingly gave him the knife and the gun... wow...

That is totally brave. I love her character.

[mondobizarro]

One of the reasons that I don't like Ana is because she killed Shannon. I know that it was an accident, but she shot before thinking. She knew that they were approaching a camp where roughly 50 survivors would be, some of them would be out in the jungle. She didn't even consider that before shooting. I pity Ana Lucia for what happened and I know that she's remorseful, but she's trigger happy. She didn't think before shooting and that is why Shannon is dead.

I think Ana was forced on us too much. Up until and around Collision, Ana was forced on the audience so much that people were going to form strong opinions of her.

[BattleRoyale]

Not everyone hates Ana. She's got flaws, but there are more dislikeable characters for me. I hated her in the beginning of season 2, but now she's just plain sexy and cool.:w00t:

[*Pauly*]

She has to be one of the most hatable characters on the island just look at what she has done. She's also very rude, obnoxious and generally a very unpleasant person. The hitting that comment goes to show how blunt and common she is. They are trying to mellow her out but I think they have taken her way too far for me to ever accept her.

[BattleRoyale]

She has to be one of the most hatable characters on the island just look at what she has done. She's also very rude, obnoxious and generally a very unpleasant person. The hitting that comment goes to show how blunt and common she is. They are trying to mellow her out but I think they have taken her way too far for me to ever accept her.

I personally think that she's both a very hatable character AND a very popular. I would say that she's the most contoversial character (just look at the polls), and I don't consider that a bad thing. AL, like many other characters, has her ups and downs, but right now I think the writers have her in a good place. It's just too bad that....:(

[Raven O'Reilly]

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[Lady Voldything]

I think she has a very love-her-or-hate-her personality, I'm the same way. Loud, annoying, bitchy, harsh, crude. Assertive, strong, real, honest, funny. How do you see it? It depends on your own personality. She is what she is. How you see her depends on the kind of glasses you're wearing.

[LoganT]

It's not just her actions.. beating up on Sawyer, KILLING SHANNON it's her general character traits. She seems to think she is superior and didn't care whether Sawyer died or not. I honestly don't know how she landed the leadership of the tallies. She is horrible. Mr Eko should beat her upside the head and take control.

You make it sound like she purposely meant to do that. It was an obviously an accident, and she apologized to Sayid for it. You could see the guilt in here eyes when she realized she had shot an innocent person.

[Fish1941]

Ana-Lucia has an assertive and ruthless personality. Which most of society believe is not fitting for a female - whether in real life or in fiction. It's all about sexism and adhering to the ideal. Characters like Kate and Claire adhere to the feminine ideal, despite their backgrounds and Ana-Lucia doesn't.

[Joan Locke]

I am starting to warm up with Ana-Lucia.I was never a fanatic Ana-Lucia opponent,but I didn´t like her either.I always found her interesting,because she is a complex personality,but that didn´t make me like her.
Now,I think she is more reasonable than most of the other survivors.The way she behaved towards Henry showed that too me.And she never refused,when somebody asked for her help.

[Fish1941]

I am starting to warm up with Ana-Lucia.I was never a fanatic Ana-Lucia opponent,but I didn´t like her either.I always found her interesting,because she is a complex personality,but that didn´t make me like her.
Now,I think she is more reasonable than most of the other survivors.The way she behaved towards Henry showed that too me.And she never refused,when somebody asked for her help.

Does "reasonable" mean . . . more mellow? Or the fact that she's no longer a leader? In other words, she now knows her place?

[BattleRoyale]

Does "reasonable" mean . . . more mellow? Or the fact that she's no longer a leader? In other words, she now knows her place?

She's feeling more accepted by the group I think. If you see her flash episode, she's mostly OK in society and is not bitchy or crazy, just heartbroken. Now, she's got a chance to calm down about the situation.:rolleyes:

[IceKat55]

It's all about sexism and adhering to the ideal.
Fish, this statement is just as inaccurate on this board as it is over on the Fuselage. ;)

It's nothing to do with sexism, or adhering to anything. It's to do with rudeness, crudeness, snarling and barking, being generally disagreeable, constantly scowling, ordering people around with a "My Way Or the Highway" attitude, waving a gun threateningly and needlessly in people's faces, being rash, making lousy decisions, and being unnecessarily belligerent 99.999% of the time.

Sexism? Please. If Jack or Sawyer or Locke or Eko or Charlie acted the way Ana Lucia acts, I'd hate them just as much as I hate her, for all those same reasons.

[Pie]

I hate when people say they hate Ana because she killed Shannon. One word, people: ACCIDENT. Don't you think she's feels horrible for killing an innocent person? I wish some people would just leave her alone...*hugs her*

[nitemare]

Fish, this statement is just as inaccurate on this board as it is over on the Fuselage. ;)

It's nothing to do with sexism, or adhering to anything. It's to do with rudeness, crudeness, snarling and barking, being generally disagreeable, constantly scowling, ordering people around with a "My Way Or the Highway" attitude, waving a gun threateningly and needlessly in people's faces, being rash, making lousy decisions, and being unnecessarily belligerent 99.999% of the time.

Sexism? Please. If Jack or Sawyer or Locke or Eko or Charlie acted the way Ana Lucia acts, I'd hate them just as much as I hate her, for all those same reasons.

Thats funny, I think you just did describe Sawyer's actions 99.999% of the time, although you missed out manipulative. :D

[BattleRoyale]

Her episode, judging from the preview, will be awesome. I love AL and I will not change my opinion (don't hate me).:w00t:

[*Pauly*]

Thats funny, I think you just did describe Sawyer's actions 99.999% of the time, although you missed out manipulative. :D

Actually Sawyer is generally cheerful, rarely scowls. Yes he is manipulative but we love him for it.

[Vaporized]

I really like Ana-Lucia. I'm also a big fan of Michelle Rodriguez (loved her in RE, especially when she turned into a zombie. xD). I think the character is really interesting, and amusing at points. Plus, I think it's better to have a "tough" girl in Lost.

[Nokoolaidforme]

Actually Sawyer is generally cheerful, rarely scowls. Yes he is manipulative but we love him for it.
Lol, love Sawyer i may, but he is exactly everything Icekat called Ana.

Its just everyone knows another side to Sawyer now, so now we can take his insults and actions with a more complex analysis. Because know you know he isnt all bad, hes got a heart, way down there. So everything he does is taken with a grain of salt. However some fans like to chug that salt, lol.

Same with Ana. We are seeing her softer side too. And despite her still large Anti-Ana fanbase, shes getting alot more fans.

[Pie]

I really like Ana-Lucia. I'm also a big fan of Michelle Rodriguez (loved her in RE, especially when she turned into a zombie. xD). I think the character is really interesting, and amusing at points. Plus, I think it's better to have a "tough" girl in Lost.
w00t! I totally agree with you. I loved her in Resident Evil as well, and whenever I see her on a talk show she's so vibrant and bubbly and fun. ^__^

[*Pauly*]

I hate when people say they hate Ana because she killed Shannon. One word, people: ACCIDENT. Don't you think she's feels horrible for killing an innocent person? I wish some people would just leave her alone...*hugs her*

If it had been anyone else holding that gun I don't think they would have shot Shannon. She shoots the first thing that moves. Very impulsive is not usually a good quality to have. Calling it an accident is an insult to Shannon. An accident is when you knock over a glass of milk. Killing someone is not an accident regardless of circumstances, it is a tragedy.

[Pie]

Ok, than. It was an accidental tragedy. And you're right, no one else would have shot Shannon. That's because no one else has seen almost their entire camp picked off one by one. The tailies have had it so much worse than anyone else. By the time Shannon was shot, Ana was so aware of how dangerous these people are, her instincts kicked in, telling her how to survive. Her mind was telling her They took Cindy. They're following us. They're whispering to us, they're going to take us or kill us. Than Shannon runs by, and she pulls the trigger. It was a reflex. There's nothing she could have done about it.

I don't see the word "accident" as an insult to Shannon. People are killed in accidents all the time. Car accidents. Plane accidents. They just happen, and people get hurt. it's terrible, but's sometimes things just happen.

[*Pauly*]

Eko, Libby etc. I don't think they would have acted like her and they were in the same boat. When it comes down to it she is to blame for Shannon's death and you can't ignore that. You can come up with excuses but you can't deny that fact. And it is a very good reason for Shannon lovers to hate her. It is certainly more plausible than Boone's supporters hating Locke for 'killing' Boone. Now that was an accident.

[Pie]

Eko, Libby etc. I don't think they would have acted like her and they were in the same boat. When it comes down to it she is to blame for Shannon's death and you can't ignore that. You can come up with excuses but you can't deny that fact. And it is a very good reason for Shannon lovers to hate her. It is certainly more plausible than Boone's supporters hating Locke for 'killing' Boone. Now that was an accident.
I never denied that Ana is to blame. I just wish people would look at the situation logically, instead of automatically pointing at Ana and saying "Shannon killer! Die!"

A child can break a window or a vase, and even though the child is to blame, you should'nt hate the child because of a mistake.

[juniper]

That would be because they presumably love the child more than the vase. Not so for Ana. I believe the writers forgot to take that into account. ;)

I'm not sure I would compare a vase to a person's life, but okay.... I'm less sympathetic and a bit disturbed when I hear of either children or adults using guns thoughtlessly. Anyway, I'd rather be hated than dead, so I'd be sympathizing for Shannon before Ana.

Not only that, but most of us learn from our mistakes and try not to make the same one repeatedly...as in killing people. And she's an officer of the law. She should have been assessing the situation. The situation was that she didn't know who she was shooting, she had one bullet and her other fusies. There wouldn't have been much point in using a single bullet on a single person, but if there were more she would have been doubly screwed. She was perfectly aware that they were heading for a camp of forty-odd other survivors. It would have been wise not to shoot them. Her character has been portrayed as trigger-happy; the other characters weren't. I think some people are looking at the circumstances and forgetting the personality.

[Pie]

Yeah, that was a pretty crappy metephor. But you get the picture, right? Yes, Ana is a police officer, but she was scared. She's only human. She made a mistake. I just hope this won't be held against her forever.

[BattleRoyale]

NOT everyone hate her. Some love and appreciate her character. It's mainly because of the Shannon/Sawyer thing, but she was scared and just acting on her instincts to protect the survivors.

[juniper]

Originally posted by Pie
Yeah, that was a pretty crappy metephor. But you get the picture, right? Yes, Ana is a police officer, but she was scared. She's only human. She made a mistake. I just hope this won't be held against her forever.

Yes, I understood. Personally, I can't imagine I'll ever like her. People get attached to their favorites and resent when they don't have them around anymore. Many old favorites got a raw deal when she joined, even the ones that were just pushed into the backburner... If Ana had gotten a raw deal instead, I'd imagine her fans would probably be equally unforgiving.

For whatever it's worth, though, I think people in general enjoy Ana better now that she's warmed up than they did at first. :)

[Joan Locke]

Does "reasonable" mean . . . more mellow? Or the fact that she's no longer a leader? In other words, she now knows her place?

No,not at all!Sorry if I used the word wrong.Is sensible better?I wanted to say,that she doesn´t make overhasty decisions like many of the other survivors.She is willing to hear both sides of the story (like with Henry) and she doesn´t do something before she has a plan.

[iorwen]

It is certainly more plausible than Boone's supporters hating Locke for 'killing' Boone. Now that was an accident.
huh? didn't Jack say he based his medical treatment of Boone on the LIE Locke told him? How is lying an accident?

[*Pauly*]

When did he lie? Locke said he fell off a cliff. That is true. I don't see how falling off a cliff in a plane is any different o.O Besides he was bleeding internally and was always going to die anyway. I was talking about the fact Boone chose to go up there. Locke did everything possible to help him, tried to warn him, carried him back to camp. He forgets to mention he fell down in a plane. Not really a big deal. Many Boone supporters sided with the clueless Jack who labled Locke a murderer just because he didn't get the full story from him. That is an example of an accident where noone is to blame. For me Ana is to blame for Shannon's death.

[IamLOST922]

Here is my question. Sayid eventually was able to forgive Ana. Why can't the fans? If it was someone like Jack or Sawyer who accidently killed someone, I bet that people would be so much more sympathetic towards them. I really don't think that people are being entirely fair to Ana Lucia.

[*Pauly*]

I think it also depends if you liked Shannon or not though. Granted I am biased because I care for the character. I also find it unbelievable Sayid cleans Ana of all blame for the death when he was so vehmently going to attack her. If I was him I would at least ignore her. He blames the others which I find ridiculous because personally I think the whispers are psychological and it was all in their heads.

[Raven O'Reilly]

I agree with Paul in the sense that it depends if you liked Shannon or not.

I hate/hated Shannon with a passion.
I'm not "elated" that she's dead because I still hate her. lol
I don't like Ana because she killed Shannon.
I don't really care for Ana either way, nor do I care for Kate - like many Ana lovers accuse Ana haters of doing.

My number one female character is Sun, next to her is Claire.

I think Kate and Ana are both archtypal female characters you always see on TV. There's nothing new and improved nor, arguably, anything "true" about them.

I don't think "everybody" hates Ana. There's a whole thread that attests to that. I think the majority of Lost fans seem to either love her or hate her, at least the majority of fans that feel very vocal about her. I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there that don't feel two ways about her at all.

[Pie]

Here is my question. Sayid eventually was able to forgive Ana. Why can't the fans? If it was someone like Jack or Sawyer who accidently killed someone, I bet that people would be so much more sympathetic towards them. I really don't think that people are being entirely fair to Ana Lucia.
I agree. I think Ana has it harder because we didn't really know her that well before the incident happened.

[HermS]

The reason I didn't like Ana Lucia is because when I watch a show like this I can't help but put myself in the shoes of the characters and the way she talks to people I'd have certainly given her a left hook by now if I were Sawyer or Michael.

The fact that she looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp most of the time does not help matters, the one or two times we've seen her smile she looks like a completely different person... almost attractive in fact.:eek: Perhaps if she starts to relax a bit now they are re-united with the other 815 survivors we'll begin to feel a little more sympathy for her? I hope so anyway.:cool:

[Raven O'Reilly]

The one or two times we've seen her smile she looks like a completely different person... almost attractive in fact.:eek: Perhaps if she starts to relax a bit now they are re-united with the other 815 survivors we'll begin to feel a little more sympathy for her? I hope so anyway.:cool:

That's my feeling also. :nod:

[sarah-neve]

How can anybody NOT like her? She is great!! Just like for what she adds to the story, if you can't think of anything else. She's brilliant :D

[Comet]

I used to dislike her because she was a new character and I didn't want her and the other taillies to draw away from the fusies. They didn't and towards the end I started to like her.

I think a lot of people dislike her because she kept Michael, Sawyer and Jin captive and then shot dead Shannon.

[PB+Jer_4_life]

I didnt like her before because she killed shannon and killed shayidness from lost but i like her now

[BattleRoyale]

I liked her after seeing her flashbacks and saw more depth to the character. Beginning of season 2 showed her in a very bitchy role that didn't make sense. Now I like her, and I like Kate. Her killing Shannon was an accident, and while I liked Shannon, I can't hate AL for it.

[tv-fan189]

I hate Ana Lucia because I feel Michelle overplayed the anger on the character to the point where Ana was a flat out bitch. I hate her character, she's pointless and added nothing to the plot, plus she slept with Sawyer.

[TimeTravelBunny]

I didn't hate her.

I don't see what liking Shannon or not has to do with it. Ana never intended to kill Shannon, she didn't even know her, for all she knew she was shooting at some Other who was attacking them. If you are going to blame her for something, it would make more sense to blame her for the guy she murdered for revenge, or for the way she treated Nathan or Sawyer, things she did intentionally, not for shooting Shannon. Other characters have done as bad or worse things, but people are very forgiving of them (i.e. Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, or even Ben).

I agree with Pauly, though, that it makes even less (and a lot less) sense to blame Locke for Boone's death.

I understand why Sayid didn't blame her, and it does make sense. He knew that she didn't intend to kill Shannon, and he probably understood why she did what she did. He himself has shown himself capable of doing pretty extreme things to protect himself and people he cared about. He blamed the Others for terrorizing the survivors and creating the entire atmosphere of fear that caused it all to happen.

I hate Ana Lucia because I feel Michelle overplayed the anger on the character to the point where Ana was a flat out bitch. I hate her character, she's pointless and added nothing to the plot, plus she slept with Sawyer.
She was actually the main driving force for some of the second season's strongest plots, and IMO the season's best episode, The Other 48 Days.

Sleeping with Sawyer is hardly a reason to hate someone, but I can see why one could hate her for the reason she did it.

[TimeTravelBunny]

Fish, this statement is just as inaccurate on this board as it is over on the Fuselage.

It's nothing to do with sexism, or adhering to anything. It's to do with rudeness, crudeness, snarling and barking, being generally disagreeable, constantly scowling, ordering people around with a "My Way Or the Highway" attitude, waving a gun threateningly and needlessly in people's faces, being rash, making lousy decisions, and being unnecessarily belligerent 99.999% of the time.

Sexism? Please. If Jack or Sawyer or Locke or Eko or Charlie acted the way Ana Lucia acts, I'd hate them just as much as I hate her, for all those same reasons.

Thats funny, I think you just did describe Sawyer's actions 99.999% of the time, although you missed out manipulative. :D
I think it actually describes a combination of Sawyer's and Jack's actions.

[tv-fan189]

She was actually the main driving force for some of the second season's strongest plots, and IMO the season's best episode, The Other 48 Days.

Sleeping with Sawyer is hardly a reason to hate someone, but I can see why one could hate her for the reason she did it.

I hate her because she was mean spirted and she was a killing machine! She had no emotions and rarely stopped to think about the consequences of her actions, thats why she killed or injured so many people without reason and without fear. The only highlighting of her character is that Sawyer comforted Kate when she died and I got a nice hug out of it in season 2 hehe.

I'm a big Skater, so I am biased and I hate her for sleeping with Sawyer. I only like Kate with Sawyer:D

[Obsidian76]

I didn't hate her for screwing Sawyer, but I thought his reaction to her death was ...silly. One screw and all of a sudden he's in love with a woman he hated a few minutes ago? Ahahaha. No. Crappy writing right there. It would have made more sense for him to feel guilty about being indirectly responsible for her death since she was shot with his gun.

I did hate her for aggravating Sawyer's open gunshot wound by grinding it with her nasty, filthy bootheel, and for repeatedly threatening to leave him behind to die alone in the jungle, when he became too much of a burden. Not to mention what she did to others. Sayid, Nathan, Michael, Jin, her own friends. She was just completely and totally unsympathetic, even after we found out why she acted that way.

I did feel bad for her death, though. She seemed like she wanted to turn over a new leaf, and Michael robbed her of that chance. I doubt I would have started liking her anyway, but at least she expressed the willingness to change.

[TimeTravelBunny]

I hate her because she was mean spirted and she was a killing machine! She had no emotions and rarely stopped to think about the consequences of her actions, thats why she killed or injured so many people without reason and without fear. The only highlighting of her character is that Sawyer comforted Kate when she died and I got a nice hug out of it in season 2 hehe.
She was hardly a "killing machine". That would be someone like Keamy. She was screwed-up, scared, and angry, and made many mistakes as a result. Nothing like a machine, by any means.

As for the killing part, Sawyer has murdered at least 3 people, Kate has commited a premeditated murder and never felt any remorse, but that's OK?

I didn't hate her for screwing Sawyer, but I thought his reaction to her death was ...silly. One screw and all of a sudden he's in love with a woman he hated a few minutes ago? Ahahaha. No. Crappy writing right there. It would have made more sense for him to feel guilty about being indirectly responsible for her death since she was shot with his gun.

I didn't think he acted like he was 'in love' with her. I thought it was because he felt bad because what happened indirectly lead to her death.

What I did find silly, was Kate crying. It was like, what the hell is this about? All three men present there had more reasons to feel sorry, they all had spent more time with Ana and/or Libby and knew them better. She hardly even knew Libby, I don't remember if she had ever spoken two words with her, and she hated Ana. Why would she of all people cry?! :rolleyes:

[tv-fan189]

As for the killing part, Sawyer has murdered at least 3 people, Kate has commited a premeditated murder and never felt any remorse, but that's OK?

To me Kate and Sawyer were rationalized in their killing based on the fact that I saw their backstories and saw how their childhoods shaped who they became as they got older. While Ana did seem fearful of people based on the rape she experienced, I felt as a cop she should know better and ended up looking like a mean spirted bitch. Anyways, Sawyer gave Cooper a chance to live, and he dismissed it by ripping up the letter. Likewise, Kate couldn't move on until she killed her father, but Ana Lucia didnt have such reasons.

Why would she of all people cry?!
I don't think Kate was crying because she felt devastated about Ana Lucia's death though. I think it all became too much for her, seeing people on the same side as her continously dying and that's why she was crying. I don't think she was emotionally invested in Ana, nor did she pretend to be.

[TimeTravelBunny]

To me Kate and Sawyer were rationalized in their killing based on the fact that I saw their backstories and saw how their childhoods shaped who they became as they got older. While Ana did seem fearful of people based on the rape she experienced, I felt as a cop she should know better and ended up looking like a mean spirted bitch. Anyways, Sawyer gave Cooper a chance to live, and he dismissed it by ripping up the letter. Likewise, Kate couldn't move on until she killed her father, but Ana Lucia didnt have such reasons.

You mean her shooting, she wasn't raped. I'm not sure what you mean by, Ana Lucia didn't have such reasons. She had more reasons to kill Jason (the guy who shot her) out of revenge than Kate had to kill her father, or even Sawyer to kill the original Sawyer (who, while he was a real b@stard, never killed or tried to kill either Sawyer, his father or his mother), and she very likely felt she couldn't move on until Jason was dead. Of course, murders out of revenge and hate are never right, but we were given reasons and psychological explanations why Ana commited hers just as we were given with Sawyer or Kate. We never actually got to see what Ana was like before she was shot and lost her baby, which must have left her deeply traumatized. But most likely, she was more reasonable and far less violent - her partner was obviously surprised at her behaviour in the incident with the guy with the TV. He and her mother both understood that it was a result of her trauma and that she was psychologically still not ready to go back to duty. She must have been really angry not just at the guy who shot her, but at herself for having trusted him when he told her he was a student, not a criminal, and pretended to reach for his ID. And all this happened not that long ago before she crashed on the island, and the crash itself and everything that happened in the following days was a real trauma in itself. I thought that the show did a good job of showing her state of mind in those days. The Tailies had it much worse than the Mid-section survivors, for starters, they didn't have a doctor or any medical supplies (and several people died of their injuries during the first week) and they had more trouble finding food (none of them was experienced in hunting, and they didn't come across a hatch full of food and other supplies), but most importantly, they were attacked by a mysterious group of people on the first night, who took 3 of them, and the attacks continued, with 9 more people being taken. From over 20 survivors, they were left with just 5. Being a cop, Ana was already someone who was used to think of herself as a person who needs to protect people from "bad guys", and she was especially eager to protect the two children. We know that Ana really wanted to be a mother and that the loss of her unborn baby was painful to her. She had promised Zack and Emma that she'd take them back to their mother, and she must have felt horrible when they were abducted. The Tailies had no idea what was going on and who the Others were, all they knew is that those people were attacking and terrorizing them, and they had no way of knowing if those people were alive, or if Others had killed them or were torturing them. For all Ana Lucia knew, the Others could have been abusing the children, or killed them. In addition to all this, since they found the list, the Tailies knew that there a spy among them, so paranoia was rampant. The experience with Jason probably made Ana less inclined to trust people, and more likely to "shoot first, ask questions later". Once bitten, twice shy. This might not be enough to excuse her behaviour with Nathan, or Sawyer, Michael and Jin, when she suspected them of being Others, but it does explain it. Yes, she acted overbearing, aggressive, unreasonable, treated people badly, and made many mistakes, but she was traumatized, scared, angry, confused, and trying hard to stay in control in awful circumstances.

And when she shot Shannon, the situation had just gotten even more chaotic and scary: after having 12 people abducted by the Others, Cindy also disappeared, the whispers were heard, and it seemed like the Others were attacking again, when Ana saw a figure running out from the woods. Sure, Eko, Libby or Bernard probably wouldn't have shot that person immediately, but Ana probably wouldn't have done it, either, if the situation wasn't so confusing and terrifying.

It certainly wasn't right to tie Sayid up, but we saw that she obviously felt guilty about Shannon's death, so much that she eventually even offered Sayid to execute her. After they got to the beach camp, she became more reasonable, and less violent - compared to Jack, who was all about running into the jungle with guns to fight ther Others and wanting to start an army, or Sayid, who went postal on "Henry". She did want to kill "Henry" after he tried to strangle her, but she changed her mind shortly before her death, which showed that she could have turned around and changed for better.

[*Pauly*]

You can go on about the facts and figures but she just rubbed me up the wrong way and she doesn't have any likeable qualities to her as a character imo. She killed a major character (Shannon) Sawyer killed Tom friendly, some random dude and Cooper who I hated. It's all about who she killed not how many she's killed. I really don't think she seemed to work in scenes with other characters. One notable one was when she was talking to Kate the whole you hitting that? phrase was cringeworthy.

[shred]

I'm agreeing with Paul here. I hate to reopen the whole AL debate again, but I think TPTB wanted us to dislike AL. They wrote her as a character that way. For me, it worked.

[TimeTravelBunny]

I'm agreeing with Paul here. I hate to reopen the whole AL debate again, but I think TPTB wanted us to dislike AL. They wrote her as a character that way. For me, it worked.
They might have wanted her to be controversial and polarizing and annoying at the beginning with the way she was treating Sawyer, Michael and Jin, but they certainly didn't want her to be absolutely hated. Listen to the podcasts, they were talking about The Other 48 Days and Collision and saying that we'll get to understand why she is the way she is and that we'll maybe see her in a more sympathetic light.

You can go on about the facts and figures but she just rubbed me up the wrong way and she doesn't have any likeable qualities to her as a character imo. She killed a major character (Shannon) Sawyer killed Tom friendly, some random dude and Cooper who I hated. It's all about who she killed not how many she's killed. I really don't think she seemed to work in scenes with other characters. One notable one was when she was talking to Kate the whole you hitting that? phrase was cringeworthy.
I don't understand that argument. Is a main character more of a person than a recurring character or a one-episode character? Are only main characters human beings? Unintentionally killing a main character is more of a crime than intentionally killing "some random dude" with premediation? :confused:

When Ana Lucia shot that gun at a figure coming out of the jungle, she had no idea who it was, so what difference does it make (to our judgment of her act) who it was? It's not as if Ana wanted to kill Shannon, so who Shannon was and whether we liked her or not, is irrelevant to Ana Lucia's crime. It would be as bad (no more, no less) if it was a redshirt, or even an Other. All that counts is the intention.

[shred]

I don't understand that argument. Is a main character more of a person than a recurring character or a one-episode character? Are only main characters human beings? Unintentionally killing a main character is more of a crime than intentionally killing "some random dude" with premediation? :confused:

I don't want to put words in Paul's mouth (though I guess it wouldn't be the first time :D) but I think he means that he had developed more of a "relationship" with the Shannon character because she was a main character and that the more minor characters weren't as important to him because they were more minor. Hence, he cared more when Shannon was killed by AL and cared somewhat less when someone else killed the more minor characters. I don't think any of us are talking about AL in a logical context. We like her or don't. That's the topic of the thread.

[JPW]

so i'm guessing i'm the only one who thought Ana Lucia was hot.

Not to mention I kind of liked the connection Ana Lucia had with Jack. And I always though Jack would find out that Ana Lucia was with his Dad on his last days. And feel a bit more greatful when he found out.

Sure she gave all my favourites a hard time. But I like that sort of conflict in a show. It's what keeps it going. And it's good to see someone who's always to get that bitter end of the stick too.

Sawyer always created conflict. But then he got a taste of his own medicinie with Ana Lucia and I just found kind of funny.

Don't get me wrong I loved Sawyer, Jack, Ben, Kate, Locke, Charlie but I also liked Ana. She brought that mean streak with her. And to me she was a good character for what the show needed at the time.

They needed someone with a bit of an edge. They needed a sort of leader for the tailies. And an ex cop was the perfect thing in my view.