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Rhianna
10-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Howdy all, I saw a show (Proof Positive) on SciFi the other day and in it Remote Viewing was discussed. I had seen something about Remote Viewing on SciFi a long time ago but it wasn't until this time that it clicked where I had recently seen that phrase used.

I looked around and didn't see any threads on the subject so I thought it might be one of interest to all the other LOSTphiles who love discussing the theories surrounding the Hanso Foundation.

So to help out those who didn't ever catch anything about it on SciFi I've gathered up a few links to introduce the idea. :)

www.remote-viewing.com (http://www.remote-viewing.com/)

skepdic.com/remotevw.html (http://skepdic.com/remotevw.html)

www.irva.org (http://www.irva.org/)

www.rviewer.com/main/aboutrv.html (http://www.rviewer.com/main/aboutrv.html)

www.rviewer.com/main/articles/rvtimeline.html (http://www.rviewer.com/main/articles/rvtimeline.html)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing)

www.remoteviewing.com (http://www.remoteviewing.com/)



Feel free to look around those links and get an idea for what RV is... but accelerated RV? Hmmmm... this could be reallllly interesting... anyone care to form their own theories about this project?

Z3R0C00L
10-23-2005, 03:32 PM
Hard to say. RV is made up, so it really could mean anything in tv land. I suspect this island has some really crazy magnetic things going on, which lends to research on the mind and possibly mind control.

SurfCityUSA
10-23-2005, 07:29 PM
Great post!

"Remote viewing is a skill by which a person (a "viewer") can perceive objects, persons, or events at a location removed from him or her by either space or time.

In other words, one does not actually have to be there, nor does one need any so-called "physical" connections, such as television, telephone, etc., to gain information about the target.

RV exploits and improves upon what is more commonly called "psychic" ability (an overused word that has accrued unfortunate connotations), and works whether the target is in the next room or on the other side of the planet."

Z3R0C00L
10-23-2005, 07:40 PM
But RV is made up. So on a show you can have it be anything. People tried to do RV for a long time, no worky. That pesky science again!

deesnuts
10-23-2005, 08:24 PM
I just picked up the Season 1 DVD set tonight to review the previous episodes. I noticed Vincent seemed to be 'watching' the tailies in Pilot 1. He locates Jack in the bush right after the crash. He also discreetly follows them as threy try to find the cockpit. Coincedence that the 'monster' shows up right after? And if my memory serves me correct this isn't the only episode where this is happening.

Also (side note, tangent), after the monster makes a couple of passes, the tailies are discussing it. I believe it's Rose that says, "The sound reminds me of something back home". She is asked where she is from and replies, " The Bronx" What the hell sounds like that in the Bronx?

And if my memory serves me correct this isn't the only episode where this is happening.

Donatien
10-23-2005, 10:57 PM
Z3 I think you are missing something. You don't believe in RV, fine. It still has an agreed upon definition. I doubt the creators would just make it be something else. If so why call it Remote Viewing? I'm sure their definition of RV will be the same as anyone elses. It doesn't matter that RV isn't real.

Z3R0C00L
10-23-2005, 11:16 PM
Do we know RV even is going to happen in the show?

I mean to say, sure the basics will be the same, but knowing lost, I dont think we are going to have dudes in a hatch on the island in sensory dep. tanks messing with the people. It will be more complex, possibly magnet related. Thats all im saying. Allow for tv land stuff!

PopsKrock
10-23-2005, 11:23 PM
In real life there was at least some progress in RV. I remeber seeing an Army captain who had RV'd a ship get hit by a missle, drew a fairly compelling picture, and sure enough that happened. I'm not saying it is fully real, but I can't disprove it either. I mean if you were the government would you come out and say , "Yes we now have a very powerful new intelligence gathering tool, and would like to share it with the world so it will be of no use to use."

Rhianna
10-24-2005, 02:41 AM
Woah Z3R0C00L... wasn't trying to stir up a bunch of drama.

I hope someone finds the info interesting and gets to enjoy the thought provocation... We've already seen two stations in the show. The one Desmond was in which I think we can assume has something to do with the Electromagnetic Research Initiative mentioned on the site. The other we found the tailies holed up in, but no real clues as to what station it is.

Is it possible that we won't see any of these other 'projects' in the series? Of course.

Is it possible that we could see the other 'projects' in the series? Why not?

Which is why discussing them and what they could be is fun. :) No different from all the people suggesting any other probablities and toying around with the tidbits the writer's keep feeding us.

Infinity108
10-24-2005, 07:50 PM
I thought it was really Interesting Rhianna....and yes, just so you know, RV DOES work.
I KNOW someone who does it.
Very interesting stuff. I, for one, am glad you brought it up - I enjoyed the links!

Remember, they told the Wright Brothers that flight was impossible and Galileo that he was just plain wrong. Last time I checked, this series was about a crashed AIRPLANE, and I just looked at some planets through my telescope....LOL

I am finding - at least on this site - that the more OPEN minds that play with these theories, the more interesting it gets....when we poo-poo everything, it isn't fun anymore.

Keep thinking and theorizing!

Z3R0C00L
10-24-2005, 07:57 PM
"I'm not saying it is fully real, but I can't disprove it either."

Thats the problem, we have this split conversation. I think RV is a factor in this show, its tv land after all and that is within plenty of reason. Its x files type science, and I personally welcome that. But the other half is people suggesting RV is real. It is not real, and way too much money and time has been spent on it to document that it is not real.

You cant disprove anything. Santa, tooth fairy, RV... That doesnt make something real. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, not on the one expected to believe it.

No one of any concern told the wright brothers that flight was impossible, but if they had, it would be the kind of people who think RV is real. The people with an open mind about fake science are the same people who told gallileo that he was just wrong. Galileo was the one breaking with superstition, remember. And since he is the closest I could come to a hero, he is probably the last person to get me to calm down in a conversation. :)

RV is not flight. After time and money and efforts were spent on flight, it turned out to be rather easy for people to fly. After time on RV, it still has not occured. That doesnt prove it is fake, but we must operate on what we know not on what could be. Do you constantly wear a bullet proof vest around? Because you know you cant prove that you wont get shot today. Wear scuba because there could be a flood also.

PopsKrock
10-24-2005, 08:58 PM
Sorry if that post seemed confrontational. No aggro intended.

Z3R0C00L
10-24-2005, 09:19 PM
Same here, I think sometimes my limited typing ability (I have a hard time with english) makes me seem crazy or angry. I am just thinking outloud, since you guys generally let me and it is a good therapy. :)

All im saying is, there is real life then there is tv land. And there is real life me, and tv land theories me. And they constantly battle here. So with RV, or VR for that matter :), it is something I dont think is real. And it just bugs me when sometimes people (web pages for example) just spread made up stuff about it.