Was the lawyer meeting the same room that Claire was giving away her baby?

[Mossman]

Am I the only one that noticed this or am I crazy? The room that Claire had trouble with the pen when giving away her baby was the same one that aired tonight that Michael was in.

[LOST_arbiter]

That was my first thought too. But I don't think so because Claire was in Sydney and Michael was in New York. Maybe the rooms had the same layout/design though. Someone wanna grab some screen caps?

[Sway]

I noticed that too. It was just a recycled set, I think. But yes, they are almost identicle.

Adrift/Michael- http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=95

Raised/Claire- http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=646

[LOST_arbiter]

Woah, that's weird that they used the exact same room. Thanks for the pics, Sway.

[Sway]

In these series, usually, NOTHING is coinsidence. I'm sure that even though they were supposed to be in two different countries, it might just be a subtle nod to another character connection..

arbiter- No problem ;) (off topic: your sig pwns XD made me laugh :D)

[BeReady]

I think it's intentional that they look the same. The same angle of the shot of the room makes that clear.

I think it's supposed to show the link between Walt and Claire's kid (forget name). If you remember, the psychic told Claire that bad things would happen of she didn't raise her child. That room was the decision where she decided to keep her child. However, that room was where Michael decided to let Walt go. Well, he didn't raise Walt, and a bunch of bad things happened around Walt as he grew

[ShadowsofGotham]

Perhaps it is the same adoption agency, just located in two different countries. That is at least my take on it.

[xxclachaxx]

Or maybe they didn't feel like spending more money on a different set when they could use an old one? I like BeReady's idea on the connection though.

[Nozoki]

Perhaps it is the same adoption agency, just located in two different countries. That is at least my take on it.

More likely the same law offices. Walt's mom keeps moving to a different office in another part of the world in every episode it seems. It was probably her law firm handling both her case against Michael, and the legal papers for the couple wishing to adopt Claire's baby. Wait, that could be a good theory. Let me work on it.

[JoshHolloway]

If the authors would make such inconspicuous links to all character-connections, they would be damn unbelievable geniuses. Imo that`s just the same set, don`t interpret too much. ;)

[JoshHolloway]

But ... uhhh .... even the candelabrum is the same, allthough all other details have been changed. Omg, it start`s to get me, the sickness, the craziness. ;)

[nikos]

maybe this is just a show and they just wanted to get the scene done with? Come on people..

[JoshHolloway]

But they didn`t changed that candelabrum. And the two lamps on both side of the window are the same, and the table and chairs also seem to be the same. And that while most other details have been changed, why?

[buffyfan145]

I thought the same thing when I saw it last night. They must have used the same set, probably because the flashbacks were so quickly changed from Sawyer centric to Michael centric.

[Sluggo]

The shots are framed almost exactly the same-- it's definitely supposed to trigger recognition in us.

Obviously, they're not the same law offices, as one is in New York and the other in Australia-- but it's what's going on with Michael's character and what was going on with Claire's character that is similar.

One character was willingly giving up her parental rights in that scene, the other was fighting to keep his. Ultimately, their situations were reversed, as she refused to give up her child and he signed away his.

Whether there's supposed to be anything more to the similarities between those two scenes other than a nod to the connection between Michael and Claire's story arcs, I can't say.

[Mal de Mer]

Maybe it's the conference room at the Dharma corporation????

[Sawmill]

The shots are framed almost exactly the same-- it's definitely supposed to trigger recognition in us.

Obviously, they're not the same law offices, as one is in New York and the other in Australia-- but it's what's going on with Michael's character and what was going on with Claire's character that is similar.

One character was willingly giving up her parental rights in that scene, the other was fighting to keep his. Ultimately, their situations were reversed, as she refused to give up her child and he signed away his.

Whether there's supposed to be anything more to the similarities between those two scenes other than a nod to the connection between Michael and Claire's story arcs, I can't say.


Technically Michael signed them away in the judges office NOT the large conference room...if I remember correctly....

[Sawmill]

Maybe it's the conference room at the Dharma corporation????

CRAP. Why do I feel like we are being sucked into some cheesie plot like Vanilla Sky or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind??? :confused:

[Listen to Lenny]

No. How's that for an answer. It wasn't.

[bsteve74]

As cool as it would be to have everything that interconnected.... I think it was just the same set because it was far cheaper than redoing it.

[Sway]

The shots are framed almost exactly the same-- it's definitely supposed to trigger recognition in us.
Perhaps. But consider that that scene is shot (probably) an actual room, not a set; most likely somewhere in Oahu. That means the walls do not detach for the camera to get in at every angle, it leaves them with very few positions.

[Sluggo]

Technically Michael signed them away in the judges office NOT the large conference room...if I remember correctly.... Actually, having rewatched the episode now, he does in fact sign over Walt in the same room in which they had the initial meeting.

And having compared the two rooms in the links on the first page, they are indeed the exact same room-- the only things that have been changed are the wall hangings on either side of the window, the addition of floor-standing lamps for the Michael episode, and the lights on the desk under the window look different. The lighting is significantly different between the two, however.

Additionally, the Adrift shot was lower and from outside the room, so you see the ceiling, the second light fixture hanging from the ceiling, and the frame of the doorway.

[lockeseviltwin]

Technically Michael signed them away in the judges office NOT the large conference room...if I remember correctly....

no, it was the large room. you can see the model of the ship (the black rock?)
in the laywers conference, and then during mike and walts moms discussion

[Vegeta]

Am I the only one that noticed this or am I crazy? The room that Claire had trouble with the pen when giving away her baby was the same one that aired tonight that Michael was in.
As soon as I saw that office I thought exactly the same thing. I was just scanning the board now hoping to find a thread on this :)

[Listen to Lenny]

They had books in the room. Sawyer has been reading books.

[henryporter]

Just a technical point but Michael didn't sign his son away, he merely dropped his injunction proceedings so that Bitch-Face could take his son on a world tour with her new boyfriend. If Walt had been adopted then Bitch Face's boyfriend couldn't have sent him back to Michael when mommy croaked. At least not so easily.

Back on topic, I think the room was filmed like that (it could easily have been dressed or angled differently to disguise it) to trigger a (almost subconscious) connection between him refusing to give up his son and Claire refusing to give up her's.

Maybe these characters are not linked directly but their stories are similar and the "daddy issue" thing features with many characters (Jack, Sawyer, Sun and by proxy Jin, Jin was ashamed of his, the whole Michael and Walt situation, Claire [eluded to by her bf in season 1 and if that's not strong enough, her baby's daddy issues...] Locke, Hurley seems to have no father, Kate [anyone else think the US Marshal might have been her father?] Boone had Shannon's dad for a stepfather, Shannon's dad was possibly killed by Jack's future wife.) Did I leave anyone out?

[Vanillathekatt]

Yes, they are the same conference room and the set designers altered very little to make the rooms look different. Only a few small details from the scene with Claire to the scene with Michael being deposed have been changed like the lamps, table lamps, and the 2 pieces of artwork flanking the window.

The orange padded chairs are the same, the conference table and small parson's table under the window are the same. The windows, the lighting fixture(s), even the tiny thermostat box in the far upper left hand corner is the same. And there is an odd wire looking thing jutting out in the far upper right hand corner of both scenes -- all appear to be the same.

The question is why?

God, I love this show.

[Mojave]

Who is the guy standing behind Michael videotaping with a camcorder? Is that something they do nowadays during proceedings such as this?

[Vanillathekatt]

Yes, Mojave. Nowadays sometimes depositions are videographed. I've been involved in several.

Also, since every person that pops up on this show has had a prior sighting, I've wondered if the videographer in that scene is going to wind up being ... some other character!

And, there is no way that the scene where Claire was about to sign the adoption papers and the scene of Michael's deposition would have taken place in the same city. The courts having jurisdiction over these issues were a world apart: Australia and the U.S. (NYC, in this case).

[The Czar]

i think its just the set they used
there are a couple different objects in the room like the two things on the walls, the window pane, the chairs, etc are different, they probably just used the same room