Complete Visual Analysis of Hatch Interior (+ Maps!) [Archive]

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arnezami

09-27-2005, 07:26 AM

Introduction

This is my analysis of the Hatch interior. I've analyized all the videos of the hatch interior. And its taken quite some of time to get the map right. Especially to let every screenshot "fit" with the constructed map. It was frikin' hard to get everything to match :D . But the result is a very precise map.

I will show an analysis of several areas of the interior. Some screenshots are accompanied by a corresponding map which shows the camera view in color. This is very helpful in understanding what you are actually looking at in context to the rest of the interior. It also proves the map is accurate. I hope you enjoy these context-maps... :cool:

In the end I will give you a complete map of the whole hatch interior. Also a complete labeled map labeling every object in the map and several other maps like a light-path map showing the path which the light takes when Desmond uses his telescope and a walking-path map showing the path Jack walked.

I have split it into several subjects:

First the areas seen in the first scenes of the episode:

1. Bunk beds
2. Living corner
3. Dining table
4. Kitchen
5. Training area
6. The shower
7. Medicine locker
8. Control panel
9. Uniforms
10. Weapons room
11. The telescope

Then the areas seen in the last scenes of the episode:

12. Tunnel
13. Pipes and Boilers
14. The mural
15. Magnetic room
16. Computer dome

And at the end your get the full map:

17. The Maps

I will show screenshots and some analysis regarding each subject. That way it stays organized and readable. In between I will comment on how something fits into the timeline. With certain screenshots I will also show on the map what the camera view is. This will show the map is indeed accurate. I've tried to create one context-map for each subject (keep in mind though that these context-maps are half the size of the real map).

All screenshots have very high resolution (960x544 pixels) which is great for further detailed analysis. Some of them have been brightened to show more details in dark backgrounds.

1. Bunk beds

The episode start with Desmond lying in his bed. You see him lying in the top of two bunk beds. On the lower bed there are books lying which might indicate its being used (by somebody else). This is a first indication he is/was not alone. Or at least the place is not build for one person only.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7299/beds5nf.th.png (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beds5nf.png)

Later you see the beds again from a different angle when Desmond is working out. You can clearly see the (artificial?) daylight in the background. Keep in mind minutes later the hatch is blown so its still midnight. This means Desmond lives at a different time frame/cycle than our beloved survivers.

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7049/beds20xu.th.png (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beds20xu.png) http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/240/bunkbedsmap4bv.th.png (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bunkbedsmap4bv.png)

Its also possible he is awakened by the computer (which has turned on the "daylights") and thinks: "well. now that I am awake lets stay awake and do my things". Its however more likely he lives at night (for him daylight).

2. Living corner

After typing the numbers (4-8-15-16-23-42) into the computer (and the computer stopping to beep) he goes into his living "room" and turns on some music. The following screenshot is accompanied by a map showing the camera view in color.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8831/livingroom5gn.th.png (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livingroom5gn.png) http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1445/livingroommap6gg.th.png (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livingroommap6gg.png)

You can watch at the map and see everything "fits". You can see the locked door to the weapons on the right side. Also the vinil player and the lava lamp. The little black table in the front is in a later shot removed.

3. Dining table

After turning on the music Desmond he goes to his dining table (with two couches). It has a backgammon game on it which indicates he has played a game with another person. There is also a book and a magazine on opposite sides of the table. However you see only one cup and one glass.

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9075/diningtable4mp.th.png (http://img348.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diningtable4mp.png)

Again you see the "daylight" in the back. In a later screenshot you can see they are still lit even though Desmond switched off the lights to see clearly through his telescope.

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/4496/redboxedit9em.th.png (http://img302.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redboxedit9em.png) http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3764/medicinelockermap1ee.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medicinelockermap1ee.png)

You can see its dark but it seems there is a "chamber" behind the window which still emits light. The red medicine locker can be seen on the left which will be discussed later.

4. Kitchen

After picking up some dishes from the dining area he walks to the kitchen table and starts washing them. Interesting because he seems to have a dish washer. Anyway, the following screenshot shows the kitchen area. There is a context-map aswell which gives you a good idea what you're looking at.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9681/kitchen1ir.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kitchen1ir.png) http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4670/kitchenmap1fy.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kitchenmap1fy.png)

You can see the bunk beds in the back. To the left in the back is the working out/training area. You can see some weights. The bicicle on the right is later moved to the back in the left. The black workout bench (just visible behind the kitchen table) is moved towards the bunk beds.

Here you see him washing a bowl.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9352/kitchen22yx.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kitchen22yx.png)

Desmond also makes some breakfast later on. He uses the blender to mix some fruits. How fresh are they?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8069/kitchen38ue.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kitchen38ue.png)

In the back (on the left side) you can vaguely see the handle of what apears to be the oven.

5. Training area

Before he starts making breakfast though he does some training. First he does some cycling.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6277/training3or.th.png (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=training3or.png)

Then he does pull-ups. You can see the dryer/cleaner in the back

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2798/training20rw.th.png (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=training20rw.png) http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4246/pullupsmap9nj.th.png (http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pullupsmap9nj.png)

And some sit-ups.

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7049/beds20xu.th.png (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beds20xu.png) http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/240/bunkbedsmap4bv.th.png (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bunkbedsmap4bv.png)

6. The shower

The location of the shower has not been detected. Its likely its somewhere near the beds or training area. Perhaps in the area which hasn't been filmed yet in the lower left of the map.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/737/shower2en.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shower2en.png) http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6674/shower28rr.th.png (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shower28rr.png)

7. Medicine locker

After doing all the above Desmond goes to a red medicine locker containing vials.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6419/medicine5ve.th.png (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medicine5ve.png)

Here you can see the location of the medicine locker in context with the dining table. Its on the left.

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/4496/redboxedit9em.th.png (http://img302.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redboxedit9em.png) http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3764/medicinelockermap1ee.th.png (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medicinelockermap1ee.png)

On the vials there are the numbers "CR 4-81516-23 42" and the wordings "For Injection", "KmL. Multiple Dose Vial", "RX-1" and "??????????? for use See Package ????". The last sentence probably referring to the storage life of the medicine or a description of how-to-use the medicine. He then injects some medicine into his arm.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/874/medicine23xo.th.png (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medicine23xo.png) http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3180/medicine33jl.th.png (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medicine33jl.png)

At this moment the Dynamite goes off and the music players stops. This means its in the middle of the night. Jack and Locke are looking into the hatch for the first time.

8. Control panel

When Desmond hears the bang he turns around and you see the living corner. The shot you see is horizontally flipped (by the editors). If you flip it back you can see its the same place. (The flipped version cannot be right because the vinil player has its arm on the wrong side.) Here is the screenshot with the flipping restored:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8726/boomflipped3mi.th.png (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boomflipped3mi.png) http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7393/boomflippedmap2ch.th.png (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boomflippedmap2ch.png)

You can see a lot of details in this shot. Desmond walks towards the control panel from which he turns off the lights. You can see the arching metallic wall in the back. The small round thing is the small mirror he later turns. When he switches off the light the camera turns around and you can see part of the corridor and the mural.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4098/controlpanel4wf.th.png (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controlpanel4wf.png) http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9245/controlpanelmap0xr.th.png (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controlpanelmap0xr.png)

It was hard to make all these screenshots fit with the map. The context maps show the map is very accurate indeed.

9. Uniforms

Desmond puts on a uniform. There appear to be four of them.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3152/clothes2ah.th.png (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothes2ah.png) http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6659/clothes27xr.th.png (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothes27xr.png)

He also puts on some shoes which happens in near the beds. When desmond is fully clothed he quickly walks towards the living corner.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/781/clothes33pd.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothes33pd.png)

10. Weapons room

He unlocks a door with a combination ending with 23 and 47.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1683/combination234ea.th.png (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=combination234ea.png) http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1667/combination470nl.th.png (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=combination470nl.png)

He then enters the weapons room. The following screenshot is very hard to match. Take any map you've seen so far and I'm pretty sure it won't match. But as you can see in the context-map my map does match. :D

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1514/weaponsroom6eu.th.png (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weaponsroom6eu.png) http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6818/weaponsroommap2je.th.png (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weaponsroommap2je.png)

The reason why it is so difficult to match this screenshot with the map is because the field of view is very narrow. This means several object have to line up. You can see the wall of the weapons room on the left. A small piece of the garbage container but not the kitchen table itself, the dining area in the back and the pillar to the right (but not the tennis table).

It appears he takes a handgun and a rifle (possibly an AK-47). Clearly he is well trained and well prepared.

11. The telescope

After being armed Desmond walks to the area where in an earlier shot the bycicle was positioned. He pulls some sort of telescope out of the ceiling and turns it towards a little mirror in the corridor. He then uses some switches to turn the mirror so he can see where the bang came from.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1743/telescope9rd.th.png (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telescope9rd.png) http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3424/telescopemap9kq.th.png (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telescopemap9kq.png)

How the mirrors together combine a "light-path" which will be shown later on. But there are actually 4 mirrors involved.

[continued in next post]

arnezami

09-27-2005, 07:26 AM

12. Tunnel

When Jack goes down the shaft he enters a tunnel. The walls are very rough unlike other parts of the complex. In the distance you can see a large pipe close just where the concrete walls begin.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4130/tunnel14hc.th.png (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel14hc.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7038/tunnel1a7qb.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel1a7qb.png) http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5605/tunnel36ou.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel36ou.png)

He also sees a fairly large lamp embedded into the wall. Is it possible this caused the light beam (via the mirror on the floor) when Kate went down the shaft? And can it be turned so that later on the light is pointed into the complex when Jack is 'lit'?

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1930/tunnel25dg.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel25dg.png)

13. Pipes and Boilers

Jack then enters the "boiler" room. I'm not sure the pipes lead to boilers but it sort of looks that way. There is a round "boiler" like large object to the right in the next screenshots. The small "hole" in it is in fact a small mirror which will be discussed later on. The large pipe is to the left.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2061/pipes28iu.th.png (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes28iu.png) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5808/boilermap2rf.th.png (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boilermap2rf.png)

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5605/tunnel36ou.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel36ou.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1580/pipes36ab.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes36ab.png)

The large pipe on the left appears to be connected with another "boiler" on the left. In the next shot Jack has walked past the pipe and looks to the left. There is some kind of electronic box/switch with a lamp next to it.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4861/pipes46qq.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes46qq.png)

A bit to the right you see another larger box which has some black pipes or thick cables attached to its top. In fact this box can also be seen in a different screenshot from the beginning of the episode where it has a sign/logo on it.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6357/pipes57jx.th.png (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes57jx.png) http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2964/boiler2map3zc.th.png (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boiler2map3zc.png)

As you can see you are now looking at it from the other side. You can see the lamp, the electronic switch and the thick pipe. Also you see the sign/logo on the box with black pipes attached to the top. Note the large round "boiler" like object to the right and the fact there is a small mirror on it.

We also see what appear to be Locke's shoes.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4103/shoes8dk.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoes8dk.png)

14. The mural

Jack keep on walking and reaches the painting/mural. There are quite some numbers on it and all kind of clues (I'm not going to discuss that here). The painting tools lie in front of it indicating this mural was painted not so long ago (or isn't ready yet).

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5553/mural0dw.th.png (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mural0dw.png)

15. Magnetic room

When Jack looks to the right he sees two different alcoves. One has a green and red indicator lights the other one has not. The bars on front of them are also arranged differently. Both seems to have some burn scorching.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2676/magneticroom4xh.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom4xh.png) http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4259/magneticroom29oq.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom29oq.png)

It almost looks like the room behind it is barricaded with wooden planks. The alcove with the indicator lights has some buckets in front of it which seem sprayed by a fire extinguisher. When Jack looks into the hole in the wooden planks his key is drawn towards the room behind it.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5934/magneticroom40hw.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom40hw.png) http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6048/magneticroom55ql.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom55ql.png)

Here is a screenshot when looking at it from the other side of the corridor. You can clearly see the "arching" of the metallic walls indicating this could be part of a huge electromagnet.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/700/magneticroom38ej.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom38ej.png) http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9702/magneticroommap3uf.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroommap3uf.png)

Is it possible the arched metallic walls are part of a giant electromagnet? And something gone horribly wrong with in that "magnet room"?

17. Computer dome

Jack hears the small mirror turn and looks at it. The music begins to play loud and a bright light comes from the direction of the hatch shaft.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/1536/mirror0on.th.png (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mirror0on.png) http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3599/light8um.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=light8um.png)

Jack runs into the computer dome and is probably as amazed as we were at what he sees there.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5274/dome6qt.th.png (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome6qt.png)

He takes a look around at all the equipment and then walks to the Apple computer in the center.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4034/dome21al.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome21al.png) http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1526/dome40xz.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome40xz.png)

When he wants to press the execute button Locke says he shouldn't do that and we see Locke standing in the living area of the complex. Desmond then points a gun at him. And Jack recognizes him.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6624/longshot9hd.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=longshot9hd.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8899/longshotmap1ep.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=longshotmap1ep.png)

This screenshot shows there is again a very narrow field of view into the living area. But the context-map shows the map is correct.

Here is another (closer) shot:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2158/shortshot5mu.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shortshot5mu.png)

You can see parts of the kitchen in the background and the oven in the back wall.

18. The Maps

Here is the full map (click to enlarge):

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5246/maprealthumb5ve.png (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal0ar.png)

And this is the labeled full map (click to enlarge):

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6505/mapreal2thumb0yu.png (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal29kw.png)

1) Beds
2) Light behind beds
3) Bicycle
4) Pull-up tube
5) Weights
6) Cupboard
7) Workout bench
8) Dish washer and cleaner
9) Uniforms
10) Oven
11) Kitchen table
12) Tap
13) Garbage container
14) Telescope
15) Metalic handle?
16) Medicine locker
17) Dining table
18) Chair
19) Table
20) Couch
21) Combination lock
22) Weapons room
23) Unknown closet
24) Vinil player
25) Control panel
26) Lava lamp
27) Tennis table (in side folded upwards)
28) Mural and painting tools
29) Movable mirror
30) Buckets
31) Alcove with indicators
32) Alcove without indicators
33) Magnetic room
34) Another/connected magnetic room?
35) Control panel
36) Small couch
37) Desk
38) Oscilloscopes
39) Reel to reel machines
40) Reel to reel machines
41) Main control panel/console
42) Apple computer
43) Mirror on "boiler"
44) Another mirror on a "boiler"
45) Electronic/steam box
46) Locke's shoes
47) Big lamp
48) Big mirror

The light-path map (click to enlarge):

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7006/mapreal3thumb8eu.png (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal34th.png)

The walking-path map by Jack (click to enlarge):

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2118/mapreal4thumb2rr.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal49gv.png)

arnezami

09-27-2005, 07:27 AM

Some notes:

I will keep updating the above posts when new things are found and when I create more context-maps.

If you think you found something new or if you think something is wrong please post it. I can add/change it then.

Hope you enjoyed reading/watching it.

MissJenniPenni

09-27-2005, 07:34 AM

I thought Jack walked right by the mural? Or does your map show that and im just being thick (which is probable!)

Fantastic work though! well done

AsHLeE

09-27-2005, 07:42 AM

woah...

thats...

alot of work.

good job though, it really detailed

J-Abrams

09-27-2005, 07:47 AM

Very nice stuff..
Thanks heaps for putting that all together..

Karen

09-27-2005, 08:33 AM

Wow! I'm impressed!

You have put a lot of work into those maps!

murbot

09-27-2005, 08:37 AM

Extremely impressive. I think you've found your calling.

Melantha

09-27-2005, 08:38 AM

Great work!

I'm really impressed!

Emeline

09-27-2005, 08:41 AM

This is so amazing!!! Great work ;)

AmyMac

09-27-2005, 08:52 AM

Arnezami was the king of promo analysis last season, and most of the time he was dead on. Nice job again, I've been waiting for you to come back and wow us!

arnezami

09-27-2005, 09:00 AM

Arnezami was the king of promo analysis last season, and most of the time he was dead on. Nice job again, I've been waiting for you to come back and wow us!Its nice to be back. :)

Jack_Bauer

09-27-2005, 09:03 AM

Someone start paying this guy. Excellent.

henryporter

09-27-2005, 09:15 AM

arnezami

09-27-2005, 09:23 AM

Jesus, that's some in-depth analysis!

Really well done getting all the screenshots to fit and nice work showing how you came at the results, no doubt many people will question certain things because of the whole "mirror-image" scene and the moving objects but I think this is spot on and answers many questions about the spatial settings.Its nice to hear it helps understanding the layout of the place. That was the main intend.

One thing though, where the places are "fuzzed out", is that because there wasn't a good enough screenshot to see what was actually down there? There seems to be scope for many other corridors and rooms off the main entranceway if this is the case.
Yes. The "fuzzed out" parts are unfilmed places. Basicly no idea whats there. I think the showers are at the fuzzy part near the training area/bicycle.

Oh, and special commendations for plotting the light path, that's genius!That was indeed very hard because there were half-a-dozen horizontally flipped and duplicated shots in there. I still got a headache ;).

BoyBandElfLover

09-27-2005, 10:21 AM

<~~ bows..

I am very impressed. And when I have a little more time I am going to fo study all the stuf closer...

~Alie

redemtion

09-27-2005, 10:55 AM

Thank you! Thank you for all of your hard work in putting this together for us. You have made a huge impact so the rest of us can understand the show better. Bless you.

arnezami

09-27-2005, 11:01 AM

I've just added a few more context-maps.

Thanks for the appriciation you all! :cool: It makes it all worth it.

Listen to Lenny

09-27-2005, 11:24 AM

I will join everyone else in saying "Great Freakin Job!" I have run out of time and you have made me late for work!! I will have to come back later tonight to check this out further.

Metoz

09-27-2005, 11:43 AM

Awesome stuff! Thanks for the effort :)

Cueshark

09-27-2005, 11:53 AM

Yeah , very nice job........now seeing as you know so much about this freaking hatch can you please tell me....WHAT THE **** IS IT!? jk. :confused:

aurigus

09-27-2005, 11:56 AM

Thanks for the layout - very detailed. We all appreciate it.

LOSTSOL

09-27-2005, 12:34 PM

Great work, really puts a perspective on everything.

Nizz49

09-27-2005, 02:24 PM

Very nicely compiled...

Anyone else think ARNEZAMI is the 2nd person in the hatch???

;)

dennerman

09-27-2005, 02:28 PM

I've been reading this forum for a little while now but I have to say that after reading your post and checking out the outstanding map I was so blown away I just registered with the site specifically to be able to post this message telling you what an awsome job you did. Thanks very much, your effort and input has made all of our viewing of the show more enjoyable.

dennerman

rufus77

09-27-2005, 02:29 PM

YOU KICK ASS! I would like to say that you are amazing at what you do. I dont have time to read the whole thing but it seemed like with the telescope there were several cooradors that lead to what I can only assume is different hatches but I dont know.

henryporter

09-27-2005, 02:34 PM

The two mirrors oposite each other on the curved walls could be repositioned to look down the "fuzzed out" area. This is very interesting.

Mojave

09-27-2005, 02:55 PM

AmyMac

09-27-2005, 03:10 PM

Iamjulier

09-27-2005, 03:45 PM

It has already been said.....but wow great job.

shred

09-27-2005, 04:14 PM

Backlash

09-27-2005, 04:15 PM

BRAVO! (And can you take a look at the Zapruder film next?)

Duff

09-27-2005, 04:23 PM

Daamn..now that looks great :D
Good work people

Quiet Tempest

09-27-2005, 05:30 PM

dreamrus

09-27-2005, 05:42 PM

Amazing Work! Thanx A Lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lostnfound

09-27-2005, 06:35 PM

WOW! OMG that must have taken forever! Awesome job though! :)

Listen to Lenny

09-27-2005, 07:34 PM

Observation:

The picture with the close-up of the Apple computer. Does that look like stacks of film on the left?

ScottOrSteve

09-27-2005, 08:22 PM

Wow. Great effort. I'm going to study these maps a bit to get a better understanding.

relientmike

09-27-2005, 09:11 PM

For some reason I can't see the maps and screen shots you refer to. Why is that?

12. Tunnel

When Jack goes down the shaft he enters a tunnel. The walls are very rough unlike other parts of the complex. In the distance you can see a large pipe close just where the concrete walls begin.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4130/tunnel14hc.th.png (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel14hc.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7038/tunnel1a7qb.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel1a7qb.png) http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5605/tunnel36ou.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel36ou.png)

He also sees a fairly large lamp embedded into the wall. Is it possible this caused the light beam (via the mirror on the floor) when Kate went down the shaft? And can it be turned so that later on the light is pointed into the complex when Jack is 'lit'?

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1930/tunnel25dg.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel25dg.png)

13. Pipes and Boilers

Jack then enters the "boiler" room. I'm not sure the pipes lead to boilers but it sort of looks that way. There is a round "boiler" like large object to the right in the next screenshots. The small "hole" in it is in fact a small mirror which will be discussed later on. The large pipe is to the left.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5605/tunnel36ou.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tunnel36ou.png) http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2061/pipes28iu.th.png (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes28iu.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1580/pipes36ab.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes36ab.png)

The large pipe on the left appears to be connected with another "boiler" on the left. In the next shot Jack has walked past the pipe and looks to the left. There is some kind of electronic box/switch with a lamp next to it.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4861/pipes46qq.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes46qq.png)

A bit to the right you see another larger box which has some black pipes or thick cables attached to its top. In fact this box can also be seen in a different screenshot from the beginning of the episode where it has a sign/logo on it.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6357/pipes57jx.th.png (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes57jx.png) http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2964/boiler2map3zc.th.png (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boiler2map3zc.png)

As you can see you are now looking at it from the other side. You can see the lamp, the electronic switch and the thick pipe. Also you see the sign/logo on the box with black pipes attached to the top. Note the large round "boiler" like object to the right and the fact there is a small mirror on it.

We also see what appear to be Locke's shoes.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4103/shoes8dk.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoes8dk.png)

14. The mural

Jack keep on walking and reaches the painting/mural. There are quite some numbers on it and all kind of clues (I'm not going to discuss that here). The painting tools lie in front of it indicating this mural was painted not so long ago (or isn't ready yet).

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5553/mural0dw.th.png (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mural0dw.png)

15. Magnetic room

When Jack looks to the right he sees two different alcoves. One has a green and red indicator lights the other one has not. The bars on front of them are also arranged differently. Both seems to have some burn scorching.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2676/magneticroom4xh.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom4xh.png) http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4259/magneticroom29oq.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom29oq.png)

It almost looks like the room behind it is barricaded with wooden planks. The alcove with the indicator lights has some buckets in front of it which seem sprayed by a fire extinguisher. When Jack looks into the hole in the wooden planks his key is drawn towards the room behind it.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5934/magneticroom40hw.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom40hw.png) http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6048/magneticroom55ql.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom55ql.png)

Here is a screenshot when looking at it from the other side of the corridor. You can clearly see the "arching" of the metallic walls indicating this could be part of a huge electromagnet.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/700/magneticroom38ej.th.png (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom38ej.png) http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9702/magneticroommap3uf.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroommap3uf.png)

Is it possible the arched metallic walls are part of a giant electromagnet? And something gone horribly wrong with in that "magnet room"?

17. Computer dome

Jack hears the small mirror turn and looks at it. The music begins to play loud and a bright light comes from the direction of the hatch shaft.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3599/light8um.th.png (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=light8um.png) http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/1536/mirror0on.th.png (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mirror0on.png)

Jack runs into the computer dome and is probably as amazed as we were at what he sees there.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5274/dome6qt.th.png (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome6qt.png)

He takes a look around at all the equipment and then walks to the Apple computer in the center.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4034/dome21al.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome21al.png) http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1526/dome40xz.th.png (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dome40xz.png)

When he wants to press the execute button Locke says he shouldn't do that and we see Locke standing in the living area of the complex. Desmond then points a gun at him. And Jack recognizes him.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6624/longshot9hd.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=longshot9hd.png) http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8899/longshotmap1ep.th.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=longshotmap1ep.png)

This screenshot shows there is again a very narrow field of view into the living area. But the context-map shows the map is correct.

Here is another (closer) shot:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2158/shortshot5mu.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shortshot5mu.png)

You can see parts of the kitchen in the background and the oven in the back wall.

18. The Maps

Here is the full map (click to enlarge):

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5246/maprealthumb5ve.png (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal0ar.png)

And this is the labeled full map (click to enlarge):

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6505/mapreal2thumb0yu.png (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal29kw.png)

1) Beds
2) Light behind beds
3) Bicycle
4) Pull-up tube
5) Weights
6) Cupboard
7) Workout bench
8) Dish washer and cleaner
9) Uniforms
10) Oven
11) Kitchen table
12) Tap
13) Garbage container
14) Telescope
15) Metalic handle?
16) Medicine locker
17) Dining table
18) Chair
19) Table
20) Couch
21) Combination lock
22) Weapons room
23) Unknown closet
24) Vinil player
25) Control panel
26) Lava lamp
27) Tennis table
28) Mural and painting tools
29) Movable mirror
30) Buckets
31) Alcove with indicators
32) Alcove without indicators
33) Magnetic room
34) Another/connected magnetic room?
35) Control panel
36) Small couch
37) Desk
38) Oscilloscopes
39) Reel to reel machines
40) Reel to reel machines
41) Main control panel/console
42) Apple computer
43) Mirror on "boiler"
44) Another mirror on a "boiler"
45) Electronic/steam box
46) Locke's shoes
47) Big lamp
48) Big mirror

The light-path map (click to enlarge):

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7006/mapreal3thumb8eu.png (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal34th.png)

The walking-path map by Jack (click to enlarge):

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2118/mapreal4thumb2rr.png (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal49gv.png)

ace_ryan_icon

09-27-2005, 11:46 PM

Someone has wayyyyyyyyyy to much time on their hands

arnezami

09-28-2005, 12:40 AM

For some reason I can't see the maps and screen shots you refer to. Why is that?Thats probably because the pictures are hosted by imageshack.us and sometimes their servers are not reachable (or your firefox adblock is filtering imageshack.us out). Try refreshing your screen. Or try again later. It should work since everybody else can see the pics.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 12:49 AM

Honestly guys, this isn't his best work....his best analysis was of the "The Greater Good" promo. Remember that one Arnezami? He was so spot on on his analysis of that 30 second promo, that you almost didn't need to watch the episode. I was freakin blown away after watching the episode because of how close he was. You would have thought that he had watched an advanced copy of it.

Did I mention I'm a huge fan of Arnezami?Thanks. I have to agree my best post was my first one. I can't beat that one. I spend days of work on the TGG promos and they were a gold mine of information. Back then I still just did this for myself but I found so many great things in those promos (like who shoots Locke and reversed playback etc) that I had to post it for others.

Since then the promos have "dried up" a little when it comes to revealing information. I guess they learned quickly ;). For example: in the TGG promo we see Locke getting shot. In the exodus 2 promo we don't see Saywer gettings shot. I bet the ABC editor wanted to put it in the promo but probably didn't because they knew every pixel of every frame would be analyzed by us!

I never expected to do a post analysis like this ("post" as in: after the episode aired). But this episode gave so much information somebody had to put it all together and integrate it. The analysis is not really revealing buts its helpful I think for "the bigger picture".

arnezami

09-28-2005, 12:58 AM

Incredible! It will be interesting to see what more details you can add after tomorrow's and next week's shows. Three things:

1) I have a hard time understanding why Desmond would move the bicycle so far just to use it. It is to the right of the w/d in early shots, but then is over near the beds/bathroom? when he uses it. Why not just pull it away from the wall near the w/d and use it there? What is the closet area to the left of the bicycle (when he's using it)?

2) Under bunk beds, you context map of the shot of Desmond on the workout bench does not show the workout bench. It missed it. But it does show the weights, however those don't appear in the actual screenshot.

3) In the promo for Adrift, we see Locke find Kate and then Desmond show up behind them. The wall in that shot has a lot of tally marks (I think) on it. Anyway, where do you think that wall is in relation to the map?

Thanks again! The writers should make a character in the show just for you: the Mysterious MapMan.1) I personally think the bicycle was moved by the producers because of the lighting: it just looked better. But I can't be sure.
2) Yeah. The workout bench is moved (among other things). I only made one map where the bench is placed somewhere else. So thats why. Good watching though.
3) I guess this is sortof a spoiler. You see Desmond counting the days on that wall. Almost like he is a prisoner himself. I believe this wall is part of the entrance to the dome. But its very hard to see so it maybe a new place. It looks like Locke first enters the dome and sees Kate lying on the floor of the dome. Interestingly it is pretty much the only wall we didn't see in the first episode.

Thanks for the support. :)

arnezami

09-28-2005, 01:09 AM

You have done a great service for us all. We bow down in gratitude.

However (I always have a "however") I'm not sure I fully agree with your analysis of the "flipped" shot. Well, yes, it's flipped, but I think this is not a simple editing trick for the heck of it but is meant to suggest that this room is reflected in a mirror. So, shed, where do you get this idea? I'm glad you asked. I am actually READING "The Third Policeman," a novel mentioned by a producer (see Chicago Times thread), and one of the important themes is mirrors. So I'm convinced those flipped shots will be explained by mirrors (not the twins, clones business but real mirrors.)

And again--seriously--we all thank you.I'm very reluctant to see meaning into horizontal flipping. But IF you want to believe it has meaning a mirror-theory would probably work best.

In the episode though every shot through a mirror can be identified because you see the mirror itself too. So its unlikely. Theoretically it might be possible to get this shot if there were a mirror next to the medicine locker. In fact there is something on that wall what I called a "handle" (in the labeled complete map) which does look a bit like a mirror in the shot when looking at the kitchen table. But its orientation seems wrong.

Here is a screenshot. The supposed "mirror" is on the far right. You'll have to boost your brightness settings to see it.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2548/mirroronwall9wv.th.png (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mirroronwall9wv.png)

So I think a mirror theory is really unlikely although I can't just dismiss it.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 01:10 AM

Observation:

The picture with the close-up of the Apple computer. Does that look like stacks of film on the left?I think those are tapes for the reel to reel machines. Data tapes.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 01:11 AM

Yeah , very nice job........now seeing as you know so much about this freaking hatch can you please tell me....WHAT THE **** IS IT!? jk. :confused:I which I could. Or: I am glad I can't. I'm not sure which one :D.

I guess there has to be some mystery left over...

Listen to Lenny

09-28-2005, 01:23 AM

I think those are tapes for the reel to reel machines. Data tapes.

Of course. Thanks.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 01:54 AM

Just speculating here:

If you look at this screenshot you do not only see the bucket/cans being sprayed upon but you also see that directly behind them there is some kind of "filling". The area behind the buckets/cans is almost filled as high as the cans/buckets themselves.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5934/magneticroom40hw.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom40hw.png)

Is it possible some hot fluid (or lava?/fluid metal?) leaked from that room and they had to stop it from entering into the corridor so they barricaded the doors/entrances. It went wrong because at one place it breached and they "fixed" it by putting som cans/buckets in front of it and cooling the fluid/lava down with a fire extinguisher?

Like in the movie "Volcano"...

alch3mist

09-28-2005, 02:12 AM

I can't believe I just found this thread :( arnezami.. you are the master! Lemme read through it all with a fine tooth comb before I embarass my self by trying to post something relevant..heh

Just speculating here:

If you look at this screenshot you do not only see the bucket/cans being sprayed upon but you also see that directly behind them there is some kind of "filling". The area behind the buckets/cans is almost filled as high as the cans/buckets themselves.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5934/magneticroom40hw.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticroom40hw.png)

Is it possible some hot fluid (or lava?/fluid metal?) leaked from that room and they had to stop it from entering into the corridor so they barricaded the doors/entrances. It went wrong because at one place it breached and they "fixed" it by putting som cans/buckets in front of it and cooling the fluid/lava down with a fire extinguisher?

Like in the movie "Volcano"...

I wondered if this blast had/has anything to do with the hole that Locke was nearly dragged into. We know that Kate threw dynamite into that hole, and that could have caused a breech and a fire. Plus having a magnet pulling Locke into a hole is more plausable than some whiff of smoke.

Follow with me on this one. Locke has an accident right? His legs need repair. Steel rods are placed in them.. therefore the magnet could pull him and not effect the others... it is a long shot, but it all ties into the theory that the mess in the hatch could be from Kate's dynamite throw... I dunno :help:

honestjoe

09-28-2005, 02:22 AM

arnezami

09-28-2005, 02:38 AM

first off, awesome job dude! BIG ups to Arnezami for the in-depth and ultra accurate analysis. Second, i would like to pose a question.

Why did Jack pass by the entrance to the "living" quarters? He's been walking down this tunnel, and finally there is an opening, so why doesn't he investigate? Wouldn't he be taking a huge chance in just passing it by? We see him checking out the buckets, and the MURAL (the table with the paints is practically inside the "living" quarters). But he cruises past it even though it is to his immediate left. And what about Locke and Desmond? Are they already in the room when Jack's passing by? OR did they arrive after he is checking out the "dome/computer" room?

Maybe it was strictly done for DRAMATIC enhancement, you know to help build suspense, but it doesn't make "tactical" sense to me, because you could easily get snuck-up on from behind. The red line in the pic is that of the clear shot Desmond would have on Jack. (i'm not saying he would HAVE to shoot Jack, but i would think he could just simply get Jack's attention).Good points. I been asking this question myself. Why didn't he enter that room? Or at least check it?

Some possible anwsers:

1) The room was very dark. He couldn't see much in it (although the dining table with "daylight" would probably be visible).
2) Jack was distracted by the weird buckets.
3) Desmond turned on the music later on. This means Desmonds stood at the position of the vinilplayer/control panel (he also turned on the big light which caused Jack to move further along the corridor into the dome). So Jack couldn't directly see Desmond and vice versa.
4) He did "check" it (he pointed his flashlight into the room just after checking the mural) but didn't see anyone or anything interesting.
5) Its more dramatic: the producers wanted to show off and let us see the dome. In fact if you include the first scenes of the episode we have pretty much seen the entire complex. They really "fed" us.
6) My map is not accurate...

(the last one is a joke :D )

arnezami

09-28-2005, 02:47 AM

I can't believe I just found this thread :( arnezami.. you are the master! Lemme read through it all with a fine tooth comb before I embarass my self by trying to post something relevant..heh

I wondered if this blast had/has anything to do with the hole that Locke was nearly dragged into. We know that Kate threw dynamite into that hole, and that could have caused a breech and a fire. Plus having a magnet pulling Locke into a hole is more plausable than some whiff of smoke.

Follow with me on this one. Locke has an accident right? His legs need repair. Steel rods are placed in them.. therefore the magnet could pull him and not effect the others... it is a long shot, but it all ties into the theory that the mess in the hatch could be from Kate's dynamite throw... I dunno :help:Interesting. Especially the steel rods.

I had a wild theory that the black smoke is actually iron dust particles moved and directed by large (focused) magnets under the ground. Maybe a (large) super computer could control these metal powders and turn them into whatever the user (Desmond?) wants. Like a (dusty) chain that pulled Locke over the ground and into the hole.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5806/chain4bw.th.png (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chain4bw.png)

When the dynamite blew inside the hole in the ground the magnets (or the dust) were disrupted and Locke was freed. It may also have caused an overload or fire in the "magnet room".

It would explain a lot. But its kinda exotic.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 05:35 AM

MissJenniPenni

09-28-2005, 06:10 AM

What about the door off the gun room? you think its another room, or storage space?

gabby

09-28-2005, 06:38 AM

does any of you guys know when will LOst season two be aired here in the Philippines? thanks

arnezami

09-28-2005, 06:42 AM

What about the door off the gun room? you think its another room, or storage space?I'm very curious about that door. It sort of looks like a closet. But maybe there is a room.

Anyway it is also behind the combination lock (which Desmond just opened) so whatever is behind that door is worth protecting...

High explosives maybe? :cool:

Dezdemona

09-28-2005, 06:49 AM

Great work on those maps! I'll just be printing those off now to have around for when I re-watch the premiere tonight.

black smoke

09-28-2005, 07:23 AM

good work. all that derived from just looking at the episode? sure u dont have the blue-prints?

HDS

09-28-2005, 09:13 AM

Great map! But I have a few speculations

1. Where does the light come from?(I think he moves the mirrors to adjust the light so it can travel up tha hatch opening)
2. Where's the bathroom in this place?(Probobly next to the shower that might be, as you said, next to the bedroom)
3. If he has other exits, where might they be?

These are questions who are probobly best answeared at the end of the upcomming episode(if we get to see something new) and we can only take our best guesses now.

Poetic Girl

09-28-2005, 10:19 AM

OMG that's great work!!! :D Thanks for sharing!!

filostlover

09-28-2005, 10:47 AM

WHAT A POST! Great reasearching must have taken you ages. niiiiice. Also just got thinking of this, can anyone tell how many of those barrels there are? 4? 8? :)

kayla

09-28-2005, 10:52 AM

all i can say is:wow! i was looking at the maps and stuff and its all really impressive!

MissJenniPenni

09-28-2005, 11:47 AM

I'm very curious about that door. It sort of looks like a closet. But maybe there is a room.

Anyway it is also behind the combination lock (which Desmond just opened) so whatever is behind that door is worth protecting...

High explosives maybe? :cool:

Looking at your map, there is room for quite a lot of space.... hopefully we will get to see whats in their soon! It must be something, you just dont put a door in for no reason

arnezami

09-28-2005, 03:20 PM

lostanswers

09-28-2005, 05:36 PM

Just added this context-map:

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2061/pipes28iu.th.png (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pipes28iu.png) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5808/boilermap2rf.th.png (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boilermap2rf.png)

It seems the map is missing a concrete small wall/opening of about a few feet high in the back of the picture. Maybe we'll see more in the next episode.

hi again arnezami. superb analysis, if i might say so. i was interested to see the parts of your map that differed from mine. in those cases i think yours is always right. but here are some things ive noticed post map-making:

in this image during the telescope part (brightened, and flipped for accuracy [notice which way the swan is facing on the dharma logo]) on the left of the screen there appears to be a black door/locker with a silver handle:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture58.jpg

now, this couldnt be the same pipe connecting to the boiler thing on the right side of the hall....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture57.jpg

could it be a little beyond the 2 power boxes on the left?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture60.jpg

also when the bright light shines on jack it looks like there is a black opening in the wall (i think this is the correct flippage, look at jacks arm- no tatoo):
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture56.jpg

im confused.

arnezami

09-28-2005, 09:33 PM

in this image during the telescope part (brightened, and flipped for accuracy [notice which way the swan is facing on the dharma logo]) on the left of the screen there appears to be a black door/locker with a silver handle:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture58.jpg

First off: man you're good! :)

Spotting those things and detecting its significance really shows you've done the analysis yourselves. Because these are probably the toughest pictures to analyze. High praise here.

Ok. Back to your questions.

The above picture is correctly flipped. But you're not looking at a door with a handle. The black "rectangle" is de opening from which Jack came/comes.

To show you. Here are two pictures both showing (marked by colors) the opening itself, the big pipe and the attachment of the pipe. But the pictures are from opposite sides.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9159/boiler20gc.th.png (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boiler20gc.png) http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5954/boileropp27ex.th.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boileropp27ex.png)

The second picture is from the other side. When Jack enters the "boiler area". The "silver handle" in your picture must be something in the tunnel reflecting some light. I'm not sure if it is an object or just an edge in the wall.

As you can see the big pipe is really "in the way". Its basicly blocking half of the doorway. Thats why its so confusing I guess.

now, this couldnt be the same pipe connecting to the boiler thing on the right side of the hall.... Exactly.

could it be a little beyond the 2 power boxes on the left?I´m not sure what you mean here but what you say here sounds right. I hope the above pictures explains it all.

also when the bright light shines on jack it looks like there is a black opening in the wall (i think this is the correct flippage, look at jacks arm- no tatoo):
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/lostanswers/Picture56.jpgHihi. Now this one had been bugging me as well for quite some time. But after looking at his right hand I saw he was holding his flashlight there. As you might guess: thats the wrong hand! In other words: the picture is flipped. And his tattoo is probably not clearly visible because of the bright light (for comparison just look at his face: you can't see a thing). The doorway you are seeing is in fact the doorway to the dome area.

Here is the correct (unflipped) picture:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3149/light29kr.th.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=light29kr.png)

And to show Jack is holding his flashlight is his left hand:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5023/light31rn.th.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=light31rn.png)

pt2005

09-29-2005, 01:42 AM

Anybody think it was weird that there was a brand new set of washing machine and dryer and liquid detergent in the kitchen. Desmond must have some sort of outside world contact from another part of the hatch interior.

pt2005

09-29-2005, 01:56 AM

honestjoe

09-29-2005, 03:10 AM

Your #8 item Dishwasher is actual a new washing mashine and dryer from Sears. They just started offering the line last year.

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?vertical=APPL&bidsite=&pid=02645087000&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&subcat=Front%20Load%20Washers

hey not to split hairs or anything, but the washer dryers came out in 2001. I was working at Sears at the time, and i remember putting up the promotional stuff (display) that went with them. But here is a press release, and a newspaper clip:

http://www.applianceadvisor.com/2001Appliancephotos/searspressrelease.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/News/070701/news_pf/Homeandgarden/Sears_introduces_fron.shtml

apparently they (the specific washer/dryers) sucked cuz the motherboard would go bad on them (more often than not), and cost alot to fix. My search netted all sorts of angry conusmers b*tching and moaning about them as well as Sears' lack of customer support and help.

REALITYCHECK

10-01-2005, 01:13 PM

Vanillathekatt

10-01-2005, 05:42 PM

I was SO hoping someone would attempt a diagram of the underground lair -- insofar as we know it.

Thanks, arnezami!!!

VTK

shred

10-01-2005, 07:14 PM

Doogz

10-01-2005, 08:43 PM

'Right Click, Save Picture As' x100

Wow, Great post and a lot of hard work, cheers arnezami!

car88win

10-01-2005, 09:40 PM

alch3mist

10-02-2005, 01:14 AM

The table tennis table may be a bit confusing in the map. The second half of the table is folded upwards.

Here is a better (partial) map showing the folded up 2nd half of the table:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3011/tennistableedit3xu.png

Hopefully that clears it up.

We played a ton of PingPong in grad school, and if there was noone to play with we would tip the table up like Desmond had it so we could practice.

This particular positioning suggests to me that Desmond is in there alone. *shurg

arnezami

10-02-2005, 03:38 AM

Is it possible we could use your pictures on our encyclopedia based website? We aren't up and open to the public yet, we're working on a few tech issues. But your information is awesome. We'd give you credit and copyrights. Let me know if your interested. If not, no hard feelings...Thanks !Do whatever you want with it. There are no copyrights on it at all. If you use the pictures please also put a link to this thread so people can see the explanations I gave. My story is as important as the pictures themselves (in my opinion).

Also keep in mind that since Adrift has now aired my map needs some "tweaking" ;). So its possible I'm going to update/correct it depending on whether the hatch is going to be blown up or not :cool: (i'm not going to invest more time if we won't see it anymore).

ooooohdoggie

10-02-2005, 05:12 AM

Incredible job with your analysis of the hatch. Thank you for sharing your work with everybody. Off subject ... Where is your avatar picture from?

Is your avatar Evangeline Lilly as Kate in an episode from Lost? It looks more like Colleen Haskell from the first group of Survivor and later the movie Animal.

arnezami

10-02-2005, 07:38 AM

car88win

10-02-2005, 09:09 AM

Do whatever you want with it. There are no copyrights on it at all. If you use the pictures please also put a link to this thread so people can see the explanations I gave. My story is as important as the pictures themselves (in my opinion).

Also keep in mind that since Adrift has now aired my map needs some "tweaking" ;). So its possible I'm going to update/correct it depending on whether the hatch is going to be blown up or not :cool: (i'm not going to invest more time if we won't see it anymore).

Awesome, I will do that. Your story is a must to go with the pictures and diagrams. When you get updates I'll just check back here after an episode airs that has more hatch info in it. I realize it will not be overnight and will take some time. I understand about not wanting to spend more time on it then what amuses you. Thanks again, and once the site is open to the public you will be specially invited.

arnezami

10-02-2005, 12:19 PM

We played a ton of PingPong in grad school, and if there was noone to play with we would tip the table up like Desmond had it so we could practice.

This particular positioning suggests to me that Desmond is in there alone. *shurgYeah. Its puzzling a bit. We see two beds and a backgammon game (a two player game). And then we see a table tennis table clearly configurated for one person. So whats going on here? Doesn't his roommate like playing table tennis? Or does he like to switch beds and play backgammon with himself? Was the place designed for two persons? Or for a short two-person period? (where one instructs the other what to do exactly)

I don't know. :cool:

jacobsteel

10-02-2005, 03:40 PM

wow. that was amazing. :)

you'll probably get hired as continuity by the writers of the show any day now... ;)

nsmith12916

10-02-2005, 04:32 PM

Damn... Arnezami, this is definately some of your best work... I am just stunned beyond belief! Just make sure you be aware that you are doing a lot of multiple posting...it's really bad for the system, and if the mods catch this...you could seriously be banned. Just make sure you edit your posts...instead...

I am honestly a huge fan of yours...have been from the beginning! I was waiting for your return! You rule!

Raven O'Reilly

10-02-2005, 06:29 PM

What the hell... why in gods name did you use all your time making this utter useless stuff? It makes me so angry. I can think of a thousand things more productive than this, really did you ever think that what you were doing was a tad CRAZY?!

I like lost too...but get a :censored: life.

How about you stay out of the threads that make you angry and let everyone else go about their business. If you keep up this kind of attack with inappropriate language, I'm not going to hesitate to ban you for a couple days, weeks... forever.

San

10-02-2005, 08:09 PM

Great job with the analysis, and thanks for the huge amount of work you put into this.

I noticed that the mirror/image flipping thing happened several times, so I think it was done on purpose.

The table tennis thing is a little puzzling, but maybe Desmond used to have somebody else down there, and now the person is gone? He left the backgammon game because he's sentimental, or simply too lazy to put it away, but set up the table tennis table so he could play alone. Or maybe it is just set up like that so there is more room to move?

One thing I noticed though, the first scene in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" doesn't look like it happened mere minutes before Kate and Locke came down into the hatch. Everything looks cleaner, brighter, the light is different from the lights later on. It doesn't look like artificial light at all. Also, Desmond looks younger (his physical appearance does) and I think his hair is shorter as well. Another thing, the medical cabinet he takes his drugs or whatever they are out is all new and clean and shiny in that shot. A little later when he is threatening Locke and Kate with the gun, you can see the cabinet in the background, and it's all dirty and old! (I will try to attach two pictures, hopefully it'll work!)

I personally think that the first we saw of Desmond is a flashback, and they only want to make us believe it happened right before the hatch was blown open by Locke and the others.

Just a thought....:)

San

10-02-2005, 08:21 PM

hey not to split hairs or anything, but the washer dryers came out in 2001. I was working at Sears at the time, and i remember putting up the promotional stuff (display) that went with them. But here is a press release, and a newspaper clip:

http://www.applianceadvisor.com/2001Appliancephotos/searspressrelease.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/News/070701/news_pf/Homeandgarden/Sears_introduces_fron.shtml

apparently they (the specific washer/dryers) sucked cuz the motherboard would go bad on them (more often than not), and cost alot to fix. My search netted all sorts of angry conusmers b*tching and moaning about them as well as Sears' lack of customer support and help.

Well, I don't really think it matters if the machines came out in 2001 or 2004....I mean, hello, the computers are 20 years old. He's got a record player, no CD or anything, all the other kitchen appliances are about 20 years old, but the washing machine is more or less brand new? If they were replaced at some point, why haven't they replaced some of the other stuff as well? That's really strange as far as I am concerned....but I guess that's Lost for you....*lol*

San

San

10-02-2005, 08:35 PM

One more thing....I just now remembered. The mirrors...the ones Desmond uses to see the others come inside. Why did he have to adjust them? If the hatch was really the only entrance/exit to the caves, why would he ever change the position of the mirrors?

That makes me believe that there is more than one entrance/exit, or there are other things down there that Desmond has an eye on. Maybe the second person down there got sick and he locked him/her up in there somewhere, and uses the mirrors to make sure he/she is still there??

San

Quarantine

10-03-2005, 06:40 PM

I think he changed the mirrors so in case anyone came down the hatch without him knowing (?) they wouldn't be able to look at the one pointing up the hatch and see inside the fort. Its a stretch, but I don't think theres another person that he has to keep watch on.

honestjoe

10-04-2005, 02:39 AM

Well, I don't really think it matters if the machines came out in 2001 or 2004....I mean, hello, the computers are 20 years old...San

That's exactly why it matters. Think about it: If those washers and dryers were a 1970's model instead of newer ones, then we could be more certain that no one has updated or been in the the hatch anytime recently. BUT because they are NEWER we have to wonder if sometime after 2001 they were brought there. Oh yeah, and it seems the timing of Jack and Desmond's meeting was about 4 years ago, so 2001 again becomes an important clue. So the info i provided helps to pinpoint the time frame more accurately.

ANYWAY,

i read in another post that the dining room table has a lamp that changes between the 2 episodes. In epi1 we see a somewhat more 70's looking lamp at the dining room table/booth. Then when Locke is sitting there (at gunpoint by Desmond), a newer more "modern" lamp is at the table. Do you (arnezami) think that was a "flub" or intentional?

i just found another inconsistency:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4
VS
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

Did you find it? The reel to reel player has only one reel in epi1 but has 2 reels in epi2.

One last thing to mention: you can play backgammon alone. You simply roll/move the pieces for the opponent yourself. There is no winner (duh) but it's good practice (and yes i have seen it, im not making it up).

alch3mist

10-04-2005, 02:53 AM

What the hell... why in gods name did you use all your time making this utter useless stuff? It makes me so angry. I can think of a thousand things more productive than this, really did you ever think that what you were doing was a tad CRAZY?!

I like lost too...but get :censored: a life.

ass.

forgive me Raven for repulling this post... but that is all I have to say to someone that comes in and mocks someone's time and effort.

arnezami

10-04-2005, 02:57 AM

i read in another post that the dining room table has a lamp that changes between the 2 episodes. In epi1 we see a somewhat more 70's looking lamp at the dining room table/booth. Then when Locke is sitting there (at gunpoint by Desmond), a newer more "modern" lamp is at the table. Do you (arnezami) think that was a "flub" or intentional? i think this a goof. most likey filmed on different days. thats why.

i just found another inconsistency:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4
VS
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

Did you find it? The reel to reel player has only one reel in epi1 but has 2 reels in epi2.
nope. its a dark gray/black reel in both pictures. can't give you caps right now. my comp is sort a broken. :(

[edit]Here you go (brightened high res cap):

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5574/reels4te.th.png (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reels4te.png)

honestjoe

10-04-2005, 03:26 AM

i think this a goof. most likey filmed on different days. thats why.

nope. its a dark gray/black reel in both pictures. can't give you caps right now. my comp is sort a broken. :(

I agree that due to the lighting it is NOT definite (so it's debateable). But in the same 2 pics, look what is else is different/missing:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=30

Did you catch that one? The art-deco 70's lamp (the long wooden one) is now replaced with a smaller one (bottom left, waist high on Desmond). And the lava lamp is missing also.

Could they really miss that many things accidentally? Of course they could. But it definitely raises some "reasonable doubt"...

Rasputin

10-04-2005, 04:28 AM

The buckets have cement in them. The sloppy metal braces and cement are a hasty repair. When I first saw it live, I thought it was where Desmond had sealed a tunnel or doorway. It could be a ceiling repair, but I think it serves to keep the two curved metal segments from sliding toward eachother.

The lap desk (?) on the dining table would be in the way if there was someone else playing backgammon with Desmond. I think he rolls the dice for an imaginary opponent. He plays solo ping pong. The Mama Cass song on the record is one of her solo songs after she left the Mamas and Papas. I think Desmond was alone, but I can't figure why the gun room is locked. He should have known the hatch was unburied long before it was blown, because daylight would be coming through the little window in the hatch.

He doesn't live a 24 hour day. That's why his daylight is out of sync with the outside world. His "day" is probably a fraction of 108, like 18 or 27 hours.

If Locke did have metal rods in his legs, then they would be stainless steel which is not very magnetic.

San

10-04-2005, 08:09 AM

That's exactly why it matters. Think about it: If those washers and dryers were a 1970's model instead of newer ones, then we could be more certain that no one has updated or been in the the hatch anytime recently. BUT because they are NEWER we have to wonder if sometime after 2001 they were brought there. Oh yeah, and it seems the timing of Jack and Desmond's meeting was about 4 years ago, so 2001 again becomes an important clue. So the info i provided helps to pinpoint the time frame more accurately.

ANYWAY,

i read in another post that the dining room table has a lamp that changes between the 2 episodes. In epi1 we see a somewhat more 70's looking lamp at the dining room table/booth. Then when Locke is sitting there (at gunpoint by Desmond), a newer more "modern" lamp is at the table. Do you (arnezami) think that was a "flub" or intentional?

i just found another inconsistency:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4
VS
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

Did you find it? The reel to reel player has only one reel in epi1 but has 2 reels in epi2.

One last thing to mention: you can play backgammon alone. You simply roll/move the pieces for the opponent yourself. There is no winner (duh) but it's good practice (and yes i have seen it, im not making it up).

That's what I meant, sorry if I worded it misleading. What I meant was that it doesn't matter if the model is from 2001 or 2004, because in both cases it is newer than anything else in the hatch. Something I realised though, those washers were only new for the USA, in Germany we always had those front loading washing machines for example. So these machines could be a remake of old ones. That still doesn't explain the washing liquid (instead of washing powder), which definitely isn't from the 70's at all.

The lamps are a flub I'd say, it's got something to do with the lightning and whatnot, it looks like the same lamp just a different angle and lightning.

True, you can play backgammon alone, just like table tennis. That still doesn't explain the second bed though. Maybe there was somebody down there at some point, but now the person is gone. Guess we will all find it out at some point.

San

10-04-2005, 08:15 AM

He doesn't live a 24 hour day. That's why his daylight is out of sync with the outside world. His "day" is probably a fraction of 108, like 18 or 27 hours.

If Locke did have metal rods in his legs, then they would be stainless steel which is not very magnetic.

He can't live a 24-hour day. If he really is alone down there, he has to reset the clock every 108 minutes. (And it is minutes, nothing else. If you look at the clock when it only shows 2:38, you can see that it counts down seconds). That means he has to get up every hour, which would mean that he has no day/night rythm whatsoever.

I am still convinced that the first shots of "MoSMoF" are NOT in the same time frame as anything else. The light is definitely natural light, not the artifical light we see down in the hatch later on. Additionally, the person (Desmond?) looked younger and in better shape, and his hair was somewhat shorter.

San

lostpapers

10-04-2005, 08:19 AM

San

10-04-2005, 08:22 AM

I agree that due to the lighting it is NOT definite (so it's debateable). But in the same 2 pics, look what is else is different/missing:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=30

Did you catch that one? The art-deco 70's lamp (the long wooden one) is now replaced with a smaller one (bottom left, waist high on Desmond). And the lava lamp is missing also.

Could they really miss that many things accidentally? Of course they could. But it definitely raises some "reasonable doubt"...

Wow....I never noticed that. Maybe it was just too obvious. *lol*...but yes, lamps are different, lava lamp missing. Accidents? No, I definitely don't think so. Same with the 'mirrored/flipped' shots. I really don't believe that it is coincidene.

The lamps do make me believe even more that the first shots happened at a different time than the rest. I think that the beginning of the first episode was a flashback, until about the time that Jack goes down there. Everything else happened years back already. That would explain the changes in interior....

San

San

10-04-2005, 08:27 AM

In any case, even if those machines are from 2001, I thought that Desmond could have been posted here in this period.

As it seems, he is waiting for replacement. It is easy then to correlate that he has replaced someone here when he arrived. Perhaps people are replaced here every 4 or 5 years, with new elements and supplies for the bunker.

those machine may have been replaced during this 'shift'

There is also a last point that I can't get rid : how did those element were delivered? It is clear the hatch is too narrow... This means that bigger elements must have been delivered through a second entry.

I guess it is in a different corridor, near the sea to facilitate delivery. So the whole complex should be bigger definitely

Question is, why would they only replace the washer and drier? Why would they leave him there with an antique computer and age old kitchen equipment, but give him a new washer and drier?

I agree, he was waiting for somebody, and I assume that this somebody should have arrived 40 days ago, exactly at the day the crash happened. Maybe that somebody (HIM) was even killed in the plane crash. Maybe what caused the crash (a second plane??) has killed his replacement?! And maybe because the replacement never showed up, Desmond thought that everybody was dead in the outside world?

And I agree again, there must be other entrances to the caves. I mean, how did they get ANYTHING down there through the hatch? I assume that the hatch is the only exit/entrance to the island, but it has a connection to a larger facility, which is most probably located under water, somewhere close to the island. That would also be where the cable came from that Sayid found on the beach.

San

lostpapers

10-04-2005, 08:35 AM

Question is, why would they only replace the washer and drier? Why would they leave him there with an antique computer and age old kitchen equipment, but give him a new washer and drier?

It's the same answer as in the industrial world: Why would you replace your old computers with new ones if they do their task and work really fine.

For instance, I was amazed to find old computer, running fortran code in some companies, even now... Just because they do their assigned task at peak efficiency and because cost of replacement would be too heavy. You could still find old "green" screens displays for heavy machinery

However, I guess that some replacement equipment must be available somewhere in case of problem. Desmond should be able to repair any computer if something wrong occur during his shift. We all know how reliable are computers ^^

(in any case, let's not forget it is a tv show, and perhaps they forgot such detail. IT happened to me to rent a new flat, only to realize just 2 weeks before moving in that the doorway was too narrow and that it would be necessary to get every piece of furniture through the second floor window :p )

San

10-04-2005, 08:39 AM

It's the same answer as in the industrial world: Why would you replace your old computers with new ones if they do their task and work really fine.

For instance, I was amazed to find old computer, running fortran code in some companies, even now... Just because they do their assigned task at peak efficiency and because cost of replacement would be too heavy. You could still find old "green" screens displays for heavy machinery

However, I guess that some replacement equipment must be available somewhere in case of problem. Desmond should be able to repair any computer if something wrong occur during his shift. We all know how reliable are computers ^^

Okay, makes sense, I know that those old computers are much more reliable than the new ones. But why not replace some of the other stuff? Why not give him a dishwasher or at least new training stuff, like a new bike or whatever? Can't have to do anything with money, cause the washer/drier look very expensive, so that can't really be a reason....

San

arnezami

10-04-2005, 08:40 AM

I agree that due to the lighting it is NOT definite (so it's debateable). But in the same 2 pics, look what is else is different/missing:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=30

Did you catch that one? The art-deco 70's lamp (the long wooden one) is now replaced with a smaller one (bottom left, waist high on Desmond). And the lava lamp is missing also.

Could they really miss that many things accidentally? Of course they could. But it definitely raises some "reasonable doubt"...Yes. That lamp is indeed (re-)moved. It could be removed because they didn't want the actors to trip over it or they didn't have it available anymore and had to settle for the smaller one. Or they simply liked the smaller lamp in this particular shot. I believe they were moving things around and reusing things in other scenes and possibly shooting scenes over a period of several days. I don't read much into it.

But yeah. There is some doubt. Maybe there is a reason for this moving around of objects. But there doesn't appear to be any consistent pattern. Just "random" movements and replacements.

arnezami

10-04-2005, 08:45 AM

Okay, makes sense, I know that those old computers are much more reliable than the new ones. But why not replace some of the other stuff? Why not give him a dishwasher or at least new training stuff, like a new bike or whatever? Can't have to do anything with money, cause the washer/drier look very expensive, so that can't really be a reason....

SanComputer hardware usually is very reliable (unless you spill coffee over your keyboard like I did yesterday :D ). Software on the other hand (if its changed or added) is not at all reliable. But I don't picture as Desmond to be a programmer or installing new software. He seems like a non-tech user to me.

San

10-04-2005, 08:48 AM

Computer hardware usually is very reliable (unless you spill coffee over your keyboard like I did yesterday :D ). Software on the other hand (if its changed or added) is not at all reliable.

*lol*...did the same thing not too long ago.

Yepp, that's true, but it makes you wonder, how could they use newer software (and it's just an assumption that they changed the software somehow in 20+ years) on the old computers?

San

lostpapers

10-04-2005, 08:50 AM

*lol*...did the same thing not too long ago.

Yepp, that's true, but it makes you wonder, how could they use newer software (and it's just an assumption that they changed the software somehow in 20+ years) on the old computers?

San

A little off-topic somehow... but :
Moreover, how do you change software and hardware in less than 108 minutes? :rolleyes:

San

10-04-2005, 08:54 AM

A little off-topic somehow... but :
Moreover, how do you change software and hardware in less than 108 minutes? :rolleyes:

Errhm....very true. For me it usually takes longer than that. And that's in times of plug&pray....erh...play....*lol*

Another thing...how can a person survive longer than a few months without any REM sleep? You can do that for a short amount of time, get up every 2 hours or so, but after a few months you will go crazy. Plus, at some point, you would just collapse and sleep, and nothing and nobody could wake you up.

Makes me think that there has to be a second person down there, or at least there was at some point.

San

arnezami

10-04-2005, 08:54 AM

Yepp, that's true, but it makes you wonder, how could they use newer software (and it's just an assumption that they changed the software somehow in 20+ years) on the old computers?I'm more concerned about the reel tapes. I don't think they would last that long. They tend to degrade.

lostpapers

10-04-2005, 08:58 AM

I'm more concerned about the reel tapes. I don't think they would last that long. They tend to degrade.

Unless he has some tapes for replacement... However I'm not sure about this : do we see those Reel tapes functionning?

Rasputin

10-04-2005, 03:12 PM

I think the bunker might be built into a lava cave, or uses parts of an existing cave. That would explain the rough wall in part of the tunnel. The cave could open out to a precipitous drop to the ocean. When lava flows downhill, the outside of the lava cools first, and the inner, molten lava flows out leaving a tube or tunnel. It's not unusual for these tubes to be forty or fifty feet in diameter, and many miles long. Subsequent flows can add upper tunnels that melt through and connect to the lower levels.

The concrete isn't that unusual. The lime for cement can be made from coral, and that type of cement production is an environmental problem in that part of the world.

I don't know about the timer having to be reset every 108 minutes. Maybe that has to be done at the most vulnerable times of the day. Something I read on one of the other threads about the Dharma symbol about the times of the day you are most likely to be injured. Perhaps it sends out the shark and clanking, old Cylon to do a 108 minute security patrol.

honestjoe

10-05-2005, 01:23 AM

arnezami

10-05-2005, 04:03 AM

IMHO:
since we saw the counter at 108:00 for at least a full second (without it counting down), then we can assume for the moment that the counter doesn't automatically begin counting down again after its been reset. Perhaps something HAS to trigger it to count down, and its not automatic.

Please read this post:

http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=492442&postcount=216

The timer will most likely start counting again after approx 2:36 minutes/hundred seconds.

Its all about "rythm". :cool:

marvins_dad

10-06-2005, 01:48 PM

Looking forward to updated maps after last nights episode!

Great work!

mara

10-07-2005, 07:47 AM

omg!!! that's awsome...
great job!!

Eddie 3:16

10-10-2005, 01:19 AM

I agree that due to the lighting it is NOT definite (so it's debateable). But in the same 2 pics, look what is else is different/missing:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=736&pos=270

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=4

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=30

Did you catch that one? The art-deco 70's lamp (the long wooden one) is now replaced with a smaller one (bottom left, waist high on Desmond). And the lava lamp is missing also.

Could they really miss that many things accidentally? Of course they could. But it definitely raises some "reasonable doubt"...

Also, the record player changes, when we first see it it's got a silver front like in image 2&3, but in episode 2 it's got a wooden front, like in image 1...

What's also interesting is that in episode 3 the lava lamp and 70's lamp are back and the record player has switched back to the original!!!
Look:
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/5629/lostandfoundlamps0wx.th.jpg (http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostandfoundlamps0wx.jpg)

Also, if you look at the first image behind Desmond is a chair, but in the image I've posted there is no chair, infact there's another bookshelf there like in the second picture!!!

Either there are two different shelves with record players on or there some kind of timerift, which would explain how the cabinet goes from being brand spanking new to dented and filthy...

Either way, there are too many differences for this to be a continuity error

kanamit

10-10-2005, 02:44 AM

Dunno if this was posted before, and no disrespect to arnezami,
who has done a wonderful job of plotting out Desmond's bunker,
but this other floor plan was "hatched" almost simultaneously:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html?view=2388#t2388

scroll up!

Taurus

10-11-2005, 07:23 PM

I can't wait to see the new maps.Most impressive.Take care Ami.

pulsemm

10-11-2005, 08:31 PM

great stuff!

Sluggo

10-12-2005, 12:14 PM

Please read this post:

http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=492442&postcount=216

The timer will most likely start counting again after approx 2:36 minutes/hundred seconds.

Its all about "rythm". :cool:

Actually, it's just that the timer doesn't start counting seconds until the beeping starts at the four-minute mark. Every shot of the timer when it's above 4 minutes shows 00 on the second timer.

LD916

10-12-2005, 03:29 PM

There definitely is additional areas beyond the computer room. Where the glass is missing from the dome behind 37 on the labeled map you can see another room. Also behind 40 there is another room. Maybe the same room. Maybe the facility is inside another building. Excellent job with the map. That must have taken a lot of time! :-)

arnezami

10-12-2005, 03:54 PM

Actually, it's just that the timer doesn't start counting seconds until the beeping starts at the four-minute mark. Every shot of the timer when it's above 4 minutes shows 00 on the second timer.
You are completely right. This can now clearly be seen after watching the episode "Orientation". There appears to be no fixed rythm. The seconds only count under 4 minutes.

Funny Hat Man

10-12-2005, 05:23 PM

You missed the pantry...

its between the telescope and the dining booth :)

le_ETHAN

10-14-2005, 03:33 PM

you have way too much time on your hands.

Jed

10-14-2005, 04:43 PM

...but you use it for good and not for evil.

Well done. :)

lbstupar

10-15-2005, 12:28 AM

I've been following Lost Message boards on ABC since May, this is my first post/& or registraton. That was amazing, there have been 'others' that have plotted, pinpointed, etc. You got it. Amazing, I agree; Too much time, I agree; Lost-fanatic; I agree, etc. Helping others who follow the show and get more intrigued every week ---- Completely!

arnezami

10-15-2005, 02:48 AM

You missed the pantry...

its between the telescope and the dining booth :)
This is an analysis of "2x01: Man of Science, Man of Faith" which didn't show anything about the pantry. But you are completely right about the position of the pantry.

murbot

10-16-2005, 11:21 AM

Arnezami,
You prolly already know this, but your map was mentioned in an article and a link was to your map was included. I haven't checked to many other articles, but it's prolly been mentioned a few times. Awsome!!

http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/lost/001297.php

Funny Hat Man

10-23-2005, 09:24 PM

Are you going to make any changes to this??

GreatWhiteHunter

10-29-2005, 02:08 AM

This is an analysis of "2x01: Man of Science, Man of Faith" which didn't show anything about the pantry. But you are completely right about the position of the pantry.

I spend most of my time on the forum http://www.4815162342.com and there is a link to a detail map of the "bunker" there; but it is not as good as yours. I noticed that the pantry was missing from that persons' map as well. I found the reply from Funny Hat Man about the pantry as soon as I registered here. So many forums, so little time.:D

Now that there have been a few more episodes and a long break before ep. #6. Will you be updating the map to include the pantry and the front door? (ie. when Rose and Hurley enter the bunker in ep.#4)

Anyway great job!!! :)

GreatWhiteHunter

flub

11-06-2005, 08:28 AM

bump for a great post

Funny Hat Man

11-08-2005, 09:48 PM

Off chance... but to anyone who plays Counter-Strike:Source will definately be interested in this.

Its a map based on lost (particularly the hatch) obviously due to the limited things you can do with the game... certain things are obviously different looking... but its damn good :)

Spread the word! Screenies and download here:

http://www.forumplanet.com/counterstrike/topic.asp?fid=4965&tid=1776884

arnezami

11-13-2005, 02:58 AM

Funny Hat Man

11-15-2005, 04:57 PM

Thanks a bunch... tell your friends! ;)

Jordan17

11-16-2005, 03:00 AM

That is brilliant!

Ty is here

11-17-2005, 08:38 AM

Of course, you noticed the medicine has the numbers on it. Any conjectures as to why it's associated with them? Does the medicine somehow counteract the "number disease" that has drawn the subjects to the test site?

Great job on the maps, by the way!

Funny Hat Man

11-20-2005, 02:27 AM

We'll find out, won't we? ;)

rahul543

11-20-2005, 08:00 PM

Someone has wayyyyyyyyyy to much time on their hands
Hahha, I agree. It's just a :censored: TV show...damn.

Brisbane_rob

11-20-2005, 08:28 PM

so are we getting an updated map to show pantry and the front door ..??

{Mimsy}

11-20-2005, 08:30 PM

Woah! You must have alot of spare time on your hands!

Not meaning that negtively or anything. It's really much appreciated. Thank you very much.

johnlockerules

11-25-2005, 03:15 PM

this needs to be bumped up

car88win

11-25-2005, 03:39 PM

I agree. I still have notification when this thread gets posted on from way back when! Such hard work deserves to be noticed.

jadegalz

11-28-2005, 11:27 PM

Great thread!

Emilie Fan

01-13-2006, 05:09 AM

Just wanted to bump this amazing thread back up for any who might not of see it. And I want to say, if I haven't before, thanks to arnezami for all of this unbelievable work. May there be many more hatches for you to guide us through in the future!

Mr.Eko1987

01-18-2006, 12:16 PM

I love the work you put into this............great job

lelisa13p

03-11-2006, 03:05 PM

Tremendous effort with incredible results! Maybe this thread should be a Sticky, too. How about it, Mods? :)