Symbol has DEEP meaning

[purpletentacle]

Anyone notice the symbol that recurred in 6 or more places on this episode? First place it showed up was on desmond's locker. Then on the 2 instrument panels above his record player, they both had this sticker (looks like a ying-yang with some funky lines around it). Then again when he was in the hall there was a symbol on one of the lightswitches. And at the end with Jack near the computer you see the symbol again on the very top of the keyboard and on the monitor to the right.

This symbol has meaning, maybe the answer, i'm telling you...

[Raven O'Reilly]

Can someone get a screenshot of this symbol?

[MommaMomma]

There's one on another thread. I'll see if I can find it.

Here: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14041&page=5&pp=15&highlight=pentagon

[Desmond]

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2746/s5dd.jpg

[tommerp]

Check out the lines around the outside of the symbol - each has a different pattern.

[Hiriledhel]

The symbol more than likely means something else for the show, but the design of the lines reminds me of a stadium.

[Newlostaddict]

Sorry to repost a lot of things that I've seen on numerous sites but I figured it's easier to see the pictures side by side. There's no way to avoid accepting the fact that the symbol down in the hatch (and on his jumpsuit) and the symbol from Pa Qua are so similar they have to be connected in some manner.

Pull these 2 pictures up in different pages and compare.

Logo (http://www.thetailsection.com/)

Pa Qua (http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html)

Now I'm no expert so I don't know the meaning of the solid bars over the dashed bars and their different configurations. I figure someone out there IS an expert and can probably help us to look into this further.

It may be just me but I can't help but think that there is somehow a link to this logo and Sun's father's (Mr. Paik) "automobile/watch" company. I searched all over the net and was not able to locate a specific name of his (Mr. Paik's) company's name thus no logo. It's possible that the logo we see from the jumpsuit/hatch (can we call it a shelter now?) may have the company name written across the middle.

Also, I looked at some stills from the "In Translation" episode, specifically when Jin was speaking with Mr. Paik (where we see the back of his head) and there was picture/emblem on the wall behind Jin. Also, in the same episode, while Sun is serving Jin a nice meal, there is a logo on a tapestry hanging on the wall behind Jin as well. Any chance anyone can blow up and see the pictures and/or the name (if there is one) on the logo from the jumpsuit?

Damn my father for making me watch the Lost reruns and getting me hooked!

NLA

[purpletentacle]

Logo (http://www.thetailsection.com/)
Pa Qua (http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html)


Good find and very interesting.

Also, I looked at some stills from the "In Translation" episode, specifically when Jin was speaking with Mr. Paik (where we see the back of his head) and there was picture/emblem on the wall behind Jin. Also, in the same episode, while Sun is serving Jin a nice meal, there is a logo on a tapestry hanging on the wall behind Jin as well. Any chance anyone can blow up and see the pictures and/or the name (if there is one) on the logo from the jumpsuit?


I zommed this episode and didn't find the symbol anywhere...there were several pictures but they weren't the Pa Qua

Here's a shot of more symbols appearing on all the equipment. And here are the symbols on the computer...picture isn't great but when full screen they are definitely the symbols.

[Hiriledhel]

I looked this symbol up on Wikipedia and I found some interesting things ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-Ching) about it.

Check out the trigrams chart. Too bad there are 128 trigrams, not 108.

Yeah, that was my first impression of it. I don't think that connection is important, though. I think that the meanings of the numbers in the hexagram might be.

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase

Fairly interesting.

[relientmike]

Hmm... lines of a stadium. Like the stadium where Desmond first met Jack.

The symbol more than likely means something else for the show, but the design of the lines reminds me of a stadium.

[Cymera]

Did anyone read the description on that page about the Pa Qua symbol?

"The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm."

I have a feeling that's not just coincidence...

[thefonz]

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase

the theme for each season?

season one = 4 = youthful folly = everyone has just arrived on the island.

season two = 8 = holding together = faced with hardships, the group has to try and stick together to survive.

season three = 15 = modesty = people start changing, but are loath to admit to it.

seaon four = 16 = enthusiasm = things start coming together, people have hope that the end is in sight and things will work out.

season five = 23 = splitting apart = there is an event that shatters the belief from the previous season; things get worse.

season six = 42 = increase = whatever has been building up in the past 2 seasons finally speeds up to its end.

just an idea.

[Hans Gruber]

Those lines round the outside... could they be morse code?

[alch3mist]

Sorry to repost a lot of things that I've seen on numerous sites but I figured it's easier to see the pictures side by side. There's no way to avoid accepting the fact that the symbol down in the hatch (and on his jumpsuit) and the symbol from Pa Qua are so similar they have to be connected in some manner.

Pull these 2 pictures up in different pages and compare.

Logo (http://www.thetailsection.com/)

Pa Qua (http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html)

Now I'm no expert so I don't know the meaning of the solid bars over the dashed bars and their different configurations. I figure someone out there IS an expert and can probably help us to look into this further.

It may be just me but I can't help but think that there is somehow a link to this logo and Sun's father's (Mr. Paik) "automobile/watch" company. I searched all over the net and was not able to locate a specific name of his (Mr. Paik's) company's name thus no logo. It's possible that the logo we see from the jumpsuit/hatch (can we call it a shelter now?) may have the company name written across the middle.

Also, I looked at some stills from the "In Translation" episode, specifically when Jin was speaking with Mr. Paik (where we see the back of his head) and there was picture/emblem on the wall behind Jin. Also, in the same episode, while Sun is serving Jin a nice meal, there is a logo on a tapestry hanging on the wall behind Jin as well. Any chance anyone can blow up and see the pictures and/or the name (if there is one) on the logo from the jumpsuit?

Damn my father for making me watch the Lost reruns and getting me hooked!

NLA

Awesome post!

[lost_momma]

In Korean some of those symbols are elements - heaven, earth, water, fire. The Korean flag consists of the yin/yang in the center and the four elements surrounding it on a white background, which symbolizes peace.

That's probably not the meaning of those symbols, but it's a thought. The Korean thing fits along with Jin and Sun.

[RedSimmy]

I know this may sound stupid, bit its kinda interesting, back in my cartoon watching days, i watched jackie chan the cartoon, and on their he had this magic box, with eight symbols, (similar if not exactly the same) each one of these eight symbols, opened a doorway, to a different dimension, to allow 1 demon through, these doors could only be used to enter and exit the other dimension once, thats it lol ... and oh jackie chan saved the day ... :D

Edit : found more stuff, the eight symbols represent the universe, each symbol representing something different ...

check out this site : http://www.kheper.net/topics/I_Ching/trigrams.htm

[Snoman73]

uuhhhh guys, just speculation, i cant recall off the top of my head, but doesnt Jack have a tattoo on his arm that has similar markings to these symbols we are talking about, will someone post a pic of that tattoo please?

[Raven O'Reilly]

Edited: Grand, Blackwolf posted. :)

[BlackWolf42]

I'm going to post this in the correct forum this time.

DHARMA is some Bhuddist term. I wish I knew what the swan and the backwards "R" meant.

http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_1.jpg

And this one, I think Newlostaddict would have an idea what it's about.

http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_2.jpg

[Raven O'Reilly]

lol Sorry, BW. I fixed your post for you. :)

[BlackWolf42]

Thanks RAVEN, you're a hellova guy :)

[Raven O'Reilly]

Gal, actually. ;)

[philotech]

"Dharma" means "protection". By practising Buddha's teachings we protect ourself from suffering and problems. All the problems we experience during daily life originate in ignorance, and the method for eliminating ignorance is to practise Dharma.

Practising Dharma is the supreme method for improving the quality of our human life. The quality of life depends not upon external development or material progress, but upon the inner development of peace and happiness. For example, in the past many Buddhists lived in poor and underdeveloped countries, but they were able to find pure, lasting happiness by practising what Buddha had taught.

If we integrate Buddha's teachings into our daily life, we will be able to solve all our inner problems and attain a truly peaceful mind. Without inner peace, outer peace is impossible. If we first establish peace within our minds by training in spiritual paths, outer peace will come naturally; but if we do not, world peace will never be achieved, no matter how many people campaign for it.

aboutdharma.org

[Anahana]

DHARMA is some Bhuddist term. I wish I knew what the swan and the backwards "R" meant.




Here's a link to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma) for the meaning and origin of Dharma.

The bird symbol could be a crane, rather than a swan... the crane symbolizes longevity. I'm not familiar with what the swan would symbolize.




sorry, philotech.... guess you posted while I was still working on mine!

[Raven O'Reilly]

I'm not familiar with what the swan would symbolize.

Usually stuff like the divine inspiration, ethrealness, wisdom, creativity...

This site has some interesting stuff:
http://www.khandro.net/animal_bird_swan.htm

[philotech]

lol, don't you hate when that happens... I just stumbeled onto that wiki-pedia entry... It seems that the word has many meanings and is quite hard to actually explain...

Again, Nice timing on that post!

[Raven O'Reilly]

Here's something interesting: (from the site I posted just above)

Saraswati

The Hindu goddess, Saraswati, whose name is that of an ancient river that once flowed some thousands of years ago in northern India, and whose bed can be seen to this day although only by satellite, has a swan as her vehicle. Her name means something like "the flow of true existence." Depending on the philosophical tradition, she may sometimes be shown with two birds, the other being the peacock. When that is the case, the reference is to "two forms of knowledge" -- mundane and transcendent, or material and spiritual.

Sounds like our "Man of Science, Man of Faith" theme.

[WaimeaJoe]

A swan is said to have a sensitive beak that enables it to distinguish pure milk from a mixture of milk and water. A swan, therefore, symbolizes the power of discrimination, or the ability to discriminate between right and wrong or good and bad. Saraswatî uses the swan as Her carrier. This indicates that one must acquire and apply knowledge with discrimination for the good of mankind. Knowledge that is dominated by ego can destroy the world.

Check this chart out too I wonder if these combinations go with the numbers.

[BlackWolf42]

I found this, it explains (a little bit) about the meaning of the symbols,

http://www.egoplex.com/2005/09/4-8-15-16-23-42the-numbers-were-all.html

I wonder how it plays into the theme of LOST.

It would be funny if we're all looking waaay too deeply into this. What are the chances that it has nothing to do with the show... heh

[EyesClosed]

That lower chart you posted is commonly used in Feng Shui, the art of finding balance of energy through the placement of objects and the lack of clutter. The different directions are representative of how energy flows through a room or a whole house, and many people use these charts to set up decorations and organization in their homes.

[Backlash]

BlackWolf, the pic you posted (with the bird and "DHARMA") appears to match the one in the episode. But where'd you get the pic??

[DoppelgangerONE]

BlackWolf, the pic you posted (with the bird and "DHARMA") appears to match the one in the episode. But where'd you get the pic??

That's what I was thinking...It looks to me like the exact same symbol...

[jetembers]

i kind of thought it looked Like the word started with a "P".

[henryporter]

regardless of what wikipedia says (it's a western, vastly unreliable source) Dharma is actually most closely translated to mean Truth. At least it was by all my buddhist teachers and books.

[Jack_Bauer]

I found this, it explains (a little bit) about the meaning of the symbols,

http://www.egoplex.com/2005/09/4-8-15-16-23-42the-numbers-were-all.html

I wonder how it plays into the theme of LOST.

It would be funny if we're all looking waaay too deeply into this. What are the chances that it has nothing to do with the show... heh


I was thinking the same thing. They could have added the symbols in as a nice touch, but only as that. However, the show has reached such a popularity that people will pursue these avenues just to find the answers to all the questions Lost poses. Which, can only be a good thing.

[- L - O - S -T -]

The figure consists of 24 sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.
this is what the page says about the symbol.
108 is the sum of all of the numbers.
the writers are goood.

[lovinglost27]

It's pretty safe bet at this point that the symbol means something important, at least to figuring out who this desomnd guy is. Although, I have to say I'm a bit disapointed now that I see the emblem more clearly: I was almost positive that with his scottish accent that the curvy head was nessie, not a swan. :(
All the eastern mysticism stuff was good to know. Thanks to all who posted, I pro'ly never would have gone there.

[DreamForDistance]

Quick note of interest, in the wikipedia entry for Buddhism there's a section on the Three Jewels that talks about Dharma being one of them:

While it is impossible to escape one's karma or the effects caused by previous thoughts, words and deeds, it is possible to avoid the suffering that comes from it by becoming enlightened. In this way, dharma offers a refuge. Dharma, used in the sense of the Buddha's teachings, provides a raft and is thus a temporary refuge while entering and crossing the river. However, the real refuge is on the other side of the river.

What's most interesting I think at the moment and I'll look into more later is that a lot of the eastern religion/philosophy references have a lot of the same basic tenets as recurring themes in the show and among these are dharmic religions that believe everything is cyclical as well as philosophies that infer the same. I'll get more specific later if I have time, but it just gets me thinking that perhaps what's happening on the show is part of a repeating cycle.

d4d

[Raven O'Reilly]

regardless of what wikipedia says (it's a western, vastly unreliable source) Dharma is actually most closely translated to mean Truth. At least it was by all my buddhist teachers and books.

Really? That's very interesting. It kinda puts a spin on the numbers and the hatch, don't you think?

[Lits]

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase

the theme for each season?

season one = 4 = youthful folly = everyone has just arrived on the island.

season two = 8 = holding together = faced with hardships, the group has to try and stick together to survive.

season three = 15 = modesty = people start changing, but are loath to admit to it.

seaon four = 16 = enthusiasm = things start coming together, people have hope that the end is in sight and things will work out.

season five = 23 = splitting apart = there is an event that shatters the belief from the previous season; things get worse.

season six = 42 = increase = whatever has been building up in the past 2 seasons finally speeds up to its end.

just an idea. Omg, this would so make sense! Good thinking!

[Vegeta]

Check out the lines around the outside of the symbol - each has a different pattern.

It's been awhile since I've seen such a symbol but it has stirred up faint memories of the sybol of the Tao. Anyone else know much about to Taoism? To know & not be knowing.

*Edit found this picture http://www.joyofsects.com/art/taoism.jpg

[sugar_slayer]

ok well i started a thread in the theories section about this

you can read what i found out about this symbol here (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14088)

also black wolf where did you get that pic???

[Jonandkyle]

Google define: Dharma :

a) The teachings of the Buddhas (generally capitalized in English); b) duty, law, doctrine; c) things, events, phenomena, everything.

The interesting ones are:

- Events
- Phenomena

:rolleyes:

[xadrian]

So, here's the question. Do Dharma and Desmond (different names from different cultures) mean roughly the same thing?

[Locke For Mayor]

I looked the name Desmond up in a name book that I have and it said it was a dirivative of Esmond and Esmond means divine protection

[polyphenus]

Wasn't there once a TV show called "Dharma and Desmond"? Oh, wait-- that was Dharma and Greg... :)

[Karlene]

Did anyone else notice that the symbol appeared on the Sharks Tail when it was swimming after Sawyer??


Anyone notice the symbol that recurred in 6 or more places on this episode? First place it showed up was on desmond's locker. Then on the 2 instrument panels above his record player, they both had this sticker (looks like a ying-yang with some funky lines around it). Then again when he was in the hall there was a symbol on one of the lightswitches. And at the end with Jack near the computer you see the symbol again on the very top of the keyboard and on the monitor to the right.

This symbol has meaning, maybe the answer, i'm telling you...

[Reddy]

They're I-Ching symbols.

"These eight trigrams are the basis of the I-Ching, the oldest scripture in Chinese culture."

and the I-ching symbols correlate to DNA symbols.

And it's not Dharma - it's DHARMA. It's an anagram.

[Qualary]

The figure consists of 24 sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.
this is what the page says about the symbol.
108 is the sum of all of the numbers.
the writers are goood.

heh, should have done a search for this thread before starting my own. thanks raven :)
the 108 critical points is interesting.. i was thinking more on the lines of this site http://www.circle-of-light.com/fengshui/bagua.html
1 representing man
0 woman
8 the number of sides of Ba Qua (Ba meaning 8)

i'm sure it goes much deeper then just this, but it sure is darn interesting!

[David1991]

And it's not Dharma - it's DHARMA. It's an anagram.

I agree with that, it stands for something, and the fact that the R is backward reinforces that. Of course a backward R is also a Russian letter so there could be a tie in there

[the virtual taco]

And it's not Dharma - it's DHARMA. It's an anagram.

I think you mean acronym. The letters D-H-A-R-M-A stand for something (i.e. USA = United States of America.)

Though it could also be an anagram. What words can you form from DHARMA?

Are there any other posts that touch on anagrams in the show?

[mrsha007]

Did anyone read the description on that page about the Pa Qua symbol?

"The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm."

I have a feeling that's not just coincidence...

interesting

[Reddy]

I think you mean acronym. The letters D-H-A-R-M-A stand for something (i.e. USA = United States of America.)

Though it could also be an anagram. What words can you form from DHARMA?

Are there any other posts that touch on anagrams in the show?

Yes, I meant acronym. An anagram wouldn't really make any sense. I'm thinking this is a genetic experiment of some sort. The symbol is the company logo, and DHARMA is the acronym for the company conducting it.

[kui]

Yes, I meant acronym. An anagram wouldn't really make any sense. I'm thinking this is a genetic experiment of some sort. The symbol is the company logo, and DHARMA is the acronym for the company conducting it.DHARMA is an anagram of had arm and on the subject of arms ethan rom is an anagram of on the arm, im a new poster so sorry if it has been mentioned elsewhere

[FakeBeard]

I might as well be the first one to post something like this :p

http://www.k20a.org/upload/thsirt1.jpg

http://www.k20a.org/upload/shirt2.jpg

http://www.k20a.org/upload/thsirt3.jpg

Trigram Name Nature Direction
1 ||| (☰) Force (乾 qián) heaven (天) northwest
2 ||: (☱) Open (兌 duì) swamp (澤) west
3 |:| (☲) Radiance (離 lí) fire (火) south
4 |:: (☳) Shake (震 zhèn) thunder (雷) east
5 :|| (☴) Ground (巽 xùn) wind (風) southeast
6 :|: (☵) Gorge (坎 kǎn) water (水) north
7 ::| (☶) Bound (艮 gèn) mountain (山) northeast
8 ::: (☷) Field (坤 kūn) earth (地) southwest


in the wikipedia i found this info about the trigram symbols in the dharma-logo/pa-qua-thing. as we have noticed from the black-light map from the lockdown-episode (s2e17) its showing us the locations of the other hatches placed around in a octagramish circle on the island. could this this be the description of the hatches abilities and purposes? It also says that the the south trigram on the octogram, means the direction north, which mean its kind of upside down.
I could now tell from these abilities of the trigrams combined with the the hatchmap, that Locke's hatch (which actually is a really big hatch stretching over three sizes of "normal"-hatch and has some locations called CV1, CV2 and Cv3) has the force, gorge and bound ability, being naturally affected by heaven, mountain and water....and facing north...whatever that means...

...hihi:)

could anyone upload a picture of the blacklight map?

[JayCee]

Did anyone else notice that the symbol appeared on the Sharks Tail when it was swimming after Sawyer??

There's a full thread on the symbol appearing on the shark (which I never noticed originally, but think is very cool). The consensus would seem to be that the shark is part of the island security system.

link (hopefully I figure out how to do this correctly):
Symbol on Shark (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15077&highlight=I-ching)

That lower chart you posted is commonly used in Feng Shui, the art of finding balance of energy through the placement of objects and the lack of clutter. The different directions are representative of how energy flows through a room or a whole house, and many people use these charts to set up decorations and organization in their homes.

Thought I'd post the standard Feng Shui diagram, for those who haven't seen it (it's what the DHARMA logo is based off of).

There's plenty of web based information on Feng Shui, the I-Ching (the broken line symbols), etc., that I won't bother repeating here.

Some links that might be interesting:

Taoism (http://origin.org/ucs/sbcr/taoism.cfm)

I-Ching Patterns (http://www.cfcl.com/ching/index.shtml)

Feng Shui in depth (http://www.feng-shui-institute.org/trigram6.htm)

Numerology and Feng Shui (http://www.simplynumbers.com/html/beyond/sn_bey_Feng.asp)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9057/fengshuibagua4dr.gif

[jenn&tal]

Just a thought, but did it occur to anyone else how the main characters could fit into this diagram?

Marriage= Jin and Sun
Children=Walt
Fame= Charlie
Knowledge=Locke
Wealth=Hurley
Family=Claire and Aaron
Career=Jack
Helpful People/Travel= Kate, Sawyer, Sayid?

That last category is the only one that doesn't seem to have a single character that fits into it. But, maybe that is why it is helpful people and not helpful person...




http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_2.jpg[/QUOTE]

[The D]

Has anyone else done the obvious math for DHARMA, such as D is the 4th letter of the alphabet so D=4, H=8, A=1 R=18 (but the R is backwards so it equals 81), M=13, A=1.
4+8+1+81+13+1 = 108.

[lostpapers]

Has anyone else done the obvious math for DHARMA, such as D is the 4th letter of the alphabet so D=4, H=8, A=1 R=18 (but the R is backwards so it equals 81), M=13, A=1.
4+8+1+81+13+1 = 108.

Wow! not sure anyone done this here... nice catch

[LESLIEx317537]

I was wearing this necklace for 14 years, and took it off 2 years ago.
Handed down by my ancestors.
Maybe I should wear it again.

[J-Abrams]

Have you guys checked this out..
Its a new website i think connected to LOST and that symbol..
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

I still cant get in..
anyone else have luck

[LESLIEx317537]

Cool, when I click on the text that has a link to http://www.kraftkost.se/login.asp it says invalid IP.

This was in the html source code:
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Dharma Industries, one time supply!">

[1 Lucky Texan]

Have you guys checked this out..
Its a new website i think connected to LOST and that symbol..
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

I still cant get in..
anyone else have luck

that R is not backwards

[bugmenot]

Have you guys checked this out..
Its a new website i think connected to LOST and that symbol..
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

I still cant get in..
anyone else have luck

this is the direct address:
http://www.kraftkost.se/login.swf

if someone can deconstruct the flash, I'd bet it's just an animation.

also the page has a hidden counter

<!-- Start of StatCounter Code --><script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">var sc_project=956866; var sc_invisible=1; var sc_partition=7; var sc_security="ac44de28"; </script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" src="http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter.js"></script><noscript><a href="http://www.statcounter.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://c8.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=956866&amp;java=0&amp;security=ac44 de28&amp;invisible=1" alt="invisible hit counter" border="0"></a> </noscript><!-- End of StatCounter Code -->

[xanthari]

The shark that was trying to attack Sawyer had a similar marking on it's tail.

[Category 5]

Just a thought, but did it occur to anyone else how the main characters could fit into this diagram?

Marriage= Jin and Sun
Children=Walt
Fame= Charlie
Knowledge=Locke
Wealth=Hurley
Family=Claire and Aaron
Career=Jack
Helpful People/Travel= Kate, Sawyer, Sayid?

That last category is the only one that doesn't seem to have a single character that fits into it. But, maybe that is why it is helpful people and not helpful person...

http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_2.jpg[/QUOTE]

I think KNOWLEDGE would be Jack. Locke is much more about faith.

[Jordan17]

Has anyone noticed that on the logo, there are "blocks" which get smaller towards the centre of the logo, some of the lines are broken, some are solid.

The TOP RIGHT (between 1 & 2 o'clock / North East) block, has 3 broken lines, like a path leading into the centre. All of the other blocks have no clear path through.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2746/s5dd.jpg

Could this mean something?

Well, if you look at the detailed ying-yang thing....the path leading through is not marriage, because that path is at the bottom left or something.

The dharma logo is not exactly the same, its been modified (or turned round).

[volrathy]

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html

There is link at the bottom of the page to : -

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

[Neighborhood #1]

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase

the theme for each season?

season one = 4 = youthful folly = everyone has just arrived on the island.

season two = 8 = holding together = faced with hardships, the group has to try and stick together to survive.

season three = 15 = modesty = people start changing, but are loath to admit to it.

seaon four = 16 = enthusiasm = things start coming together, people have hope that the end is in sight and things will work out.

season five = 23 = splitting apart = there is an event that shatters the belief from the previous season; things get worse.

season six = 42 = increase = whatever has been building up in the past 2 seasons finally speeds up to its end.

just an idea.


I love this idea and I'm officially backing the Fonz on all accounts due to this awesome post.

[Avantled]

Didn't sayid say magnetic north was different on the island?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c368/avantled/fengshuibagua4dr.gif

which would make this connection.

but according to another picture it would go this way:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c368/avantled/dharma_2.jpg

[mattk25]

Have you guys checked this out..
Its a new website i think connected to LOST and that symbol..
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

I still cant get in..
anyone else have luck

When I click on the pre-member registration link, it takes me to paypal and asks me to pay $30.00! Has anyone done this? Could just be someone who has made their own site and is looking to capitalize!

[Phobia]

I looked this symbol up on Wikipedia and I found some interesting things ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-Ching) about it.

Check out the trigrams chart. Too bad there are 128 trigrams, not 108.

oh well, lol, if it cheers you up, 16 x 8 is 128, two lost numbers lol

[busby]

I'm going to post this in the correct forum this time.

DHARMA is some Bhuddist term. I wish I knew what the swan and the backwards "R" meant.

http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_1.jpg

And this one, I think Newlostaddict would have an idea what it's about.

http://home.comcast.net/~aruguete/dharma_2.jpg

im sorry i was just reading through and i found this... does the Dharma logo actually have a backwards R? cos when i looked round i found this
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/341/dharma11az.jpg
this 1 clearly does not have a backwards R.... explain?

[FakeBeard]

what i also noticed was when looking at the same wikipedia page(: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-Ching), there is a chart called chart of trigrams: when i locate "the numbers" in this chart, it makes this combinations: 4 water-mountain,8 earth-water,15 mountain-earth, 16 earth-thunder 23 earth-mountain 42 thunder-wind. its a chart under this one which youthful folly, holding together etc. etc. could be read when using the numbers.

but what do you think the elements mean?

another thing...since the marriage trigram is the only way open, does this mean that Sun & Jin will find the hatch in a field of earth, which is leading to the truth/or maybe the way out from the craphole island? maybe Sun will find the hatch when she explores the area for new potential crop fields and tells Jin.

[1 Lucky Texan]

Trigram Name Nature Direction
1 ||| (☰) Force (乾 qián) heaven (天) northwest
2 ||: (☱) Open (兌 duì) swamp (澤) west
3 |:| (☲) Radiance (離 lí) fire (火) south
4 |:: (☳) Shake (震 zhèn) thunder (雷) east
5 :|| (☴) Ground (巽 xùn) wind (風) southeast
6 :|: (☵) Gorge (坎 kǎn) water (水) north
7 ::| (☶) Bound (艮 gèn) mountain (山) northeast
8 ::: (☷) Field (坤 kūn) earth (地) southwest

in the wikipedia i found this info about the trigram symbols in the dharma-logo/pa-qua-thing. as we have noticed from the black-light map from the lockdown-episode (s2e17) its showing us the locations of the other hatches placed around in a octagramish circle on the island. it think maybe this is the description of the all hatches abilities and purposes. It also says that the the west trigram on the octogram, means the direction north.
I could now tell from these abilities of the trigrams combined with the the hatchmap, that Locke's hatch (which actually is a really big hatch stretching over three sizes of "normal"-hatch and has some locations called CV1, CV2 and Cv3) has the field, shake and bound force ability, being naturally affected by earth, mountain and thunder....whatever that means...

...hihi:)


DUDE! Do you mean like a 'bound force-field'!!! As in, a force-field that is/must be restrained???

cool

Carl

[Press_Execute]

I don't think that connection is important, though. I think that the meanings of the numbers in the hexagram might be.

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase


has anyone considered that if these number meanings are correct, they may represent people rather than stages of time?

and the significance of the character's seat numbers on the plane in relation to the numbers in the hexagram? the correlation between the seat numbers and what the numbers may stand for are significant too.

for example Jack - 23 C : he could have something to do with splitting the group up? he may be a dividing force?

Ana - 42 F : she could represent increasing something within the group (which could be anything, violence, corruption etc)

[woowhee]

In Korean some of those symbols are elements - heaven, earth, water, fire. The Korean flag consists of the yin/yang in the center and the four elements surrounding it on a white background, which symbolizes peace.

That's probably not the meaning of those symbols, but it's a thought. The Korean thing fits along with Jin and Sun.

http://www.kayelemetrics.com/International%20Reps/kr.gif

http://tcal.net/uploads/dharma.jpg

http://www.legaseekeepsakes.com/images/Wall2.jpg

Do you think that the hatches at the corresponding spots are the important ones?

[FakeBeard]

what do you think about Walts seat...he and Michael is connected to seat nr.8...that makes them "holding together"....which actually makes sence

maybe it means that a korean is the leader of the Dharma Iniative experiment on the island...leading to the only conclusion which make sense...MR.PAIK!!!!!!

this starts to make perfectly sence
family - Claire (baby Aaron)
Wealth - Sawyer (always holding the major part of the stash)
Fame - Charlie (everybody has heard about his group driveshaft)
Knowledge - Locke (knows everything useful, Sayid( technical knowledge), does Mr.Eko fits in here too with spiritual knowledge?
Career - Jack (having a great reputation as a doctor)
Travel - Kate (born to run)
Partnership - Jin & Sun (married couple holding together)
Creativity - Michael (artist)
Children - Walt (being michaels child...but still not family since they've
started to get known on the island)
Helpful people - Hurley (kind of unsure about his potential), the tailies (do helpful deeds but are not very central), Vincent (a dog could help in many ways), Artzt(helped with dynamite and the other wheather stuff) Boone (helped Locke find the hatch and the plane) & Shannon (helped translating the French and watched Vincent)...i think all of the helpful people will die one after another...already lost Boon, Shannon, Artzt, ....soon to come Libby & AnaLucia...hurley is a kind of a holder to something...he did nearly got killed in episode 19 but survived...but kind of unsure about his future...maybe he eat himself to death.
Mr.Eko is a kind of spiritual leader...i dont know about him either...maybe he is the savior!!!!?

i still think rose and bernard are infiltrated others though...

[Press_Execute]

I think there are so many significant things which could be drawn from this symbol. but i think that may have been why the producers chose the symbol, because there is so much symbolism it gives birth to many different theories about it's meaning.

for example, there are numerous features you could consider as significant:

the body parts: eg abdomen - Shannon got shot in the abdomen (this may make more significance when you consider which fatal injuries each of the dead islanders sustained) or claire, she felt that the others were trying to stab her in the stomach when she had the dream about them taking her away. an she is obviously also a mother.

or the body parts could relate to the different skills of various islanders (listeners, observers, manipulators etc)

i think the elements may also have a significance but this may simply be that they are used by the islanders as the things they need on the island? (wood and metal for the raft, fire etc)

the significance (if any) of the colours escapes me

If the religious DHARMA symbol really does have significance to lost, then im sure the categories will be symbolic. possibly of charaters, possibly of situations that the islanders have been through.

Has anyone concidered that these categories (wealth, family, fame, knowledge, career etc) may relate to the reasons WHY the characters were on the plane flight? for example:

BOONE was on the plane to go with Shannon to Sydney: FAMILY

i will revise the reasons for people being on the flight and then provide more possible evidence to support these theories.

HOWEVER, i do have a hunch that it will not be as significant as people speculate. I'm sure it is symbolic and has a hidden meaning but are unlikely to be as deep as the ideas i have expressed.

still it is good fun to try and come up with theories! the show provides so much possible symbolism.

[kaseysgurl09]

Did anyone read the description on that page about the Pa Qua symbol?

"The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm."

I have a feeling that's not just coincidence...

Hopefully no one has already said this, but that totally makes sense because of how Rose had cancer, but now on the island she is fine, and how Locke couldn't walk, but now on the island he can. So technically, they're safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm. :nod:

[gocryemokid]

4- Youthful Folly
8- Holding Together
15- Modesty
16- Enthusiasm
23- Splitting Apart
42- Increase

the theme for each season?

season one = 4 = youthful folly = everyone has just arrived on the island.

season two = 8 = holding together = faced with hardships, the group has to try and stick together to survive.

season three = 15 = modesty = people start changing, but are loath to admit to it.

seaon four = 16 = enthusiasm = things start coming together, people have hope that the end is in sight and things will work out.

season five = 23 = splitting apart = there is an event that shatters the belief from the previous season; things get worse.

season six = 42 = increase = whatever has been building up in the past 2 seasons finally speeds up to its end.

just an idea.

Looking back on this you know this kinda makes sense.

Youthful Folly - Season 1 crash, mistakes made due to being new to the island ("youthful")

Holding Together - Season 2 - Tailies meet Losties, the Other's presence being felt and becoming more apparent (two groups have to hold together)

Modesty - Season 3 - The Others become a regular presence on the show and don't they live such a modest life? Isn't that their whole little deal.

Enthusiasm - Season 4 - Uh hello.. RESCUE! The freighties are coming and most people believe its to save them ! Yay very happy very enthusiastic. Until

Splitting Apart - Season 5 - The losties are literally split in two groups trapped in two separate time lines.
Increase? Season 6..the final season.. Where does "increase" fit in though? We'll have to see.