Don't be mislead

[JohnLocke]

I think that all these theories people are comming up with aren't correct. When producers make shows they always mislead you into thinking you know whats going to happen and then throw it back in your face with a completly new idea.

Don't you think its to much of an obvious idea? I thought lost was going to take a completly new idea? Then who knows, apart from the actors, crew, producers ect!

Does anyone agree?

[jigsawyer]

Guess, we can rule out the tuna theory now. Damn, loved that one.

[Lostinlife3]

*cracks up laughing*

i refuse to believe in purgatory, government experiment....its all been done or been said, Lost aint about whats been done before....Lost stretches the limits...is its own thing

[themoth]

Since when do "completely new ideas" ever show up on television?

In order for something to be sold, it has to have some kind of successful antecedent.

I believe this is completely new and untested television and I also believe that even the producers and writers aren't sure what is happening and they are writing as the season goes on. They have an outline (for 5 seasons if I heard correctly on the interview on the DVD) but they are constantly re-writing episodes.

I am looking forward to this for that specific reason. They have the idea, they have the outline of where they are going, but anything can happen between now and then. Remember, Jack was supposed to be dead by the second show.

I have to make a comment here though. As much as I love speculating and theorizing and trying to figure out what is going on. I am also just as excited to wait and watch episode to episode and just put together clues because to me that is what is making the show.

[Raven O'Reilly]

I have to make a comment here though. As much as I love speculating and theorizing and trying to figure out what is going on. I am also just as excited to wait and watch episode to episode and just put together clues because to me that is what is making the show.

I totally agree with you. :)

[get-lost]

Since when do "completely new ideas" ever show up on television?

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Since Sept. 2004 when a show called "Lost" aired its pilot.

[Count2Five]

The only thing I would hate is if it were a dream, like Jack waking up at the end of the series finale and being all like, "whew, what was that about?" THAT would really piss me off to no end!

[drumfu]

I believe this is completely new and untested television and I also believe that even the producers and writers aren't sure what is happening and they are writing as the season goes on. They have an outline (for 5 seasons if I heard correctly on the interview on the DVD) but they are constantly re-writing episodes.

I am looking forward to this for that specific reason. They have the idea, they have the outline of where they are going, but anything can happen between now and then. Remember, Jack was supposed to be dead by the second show.

I have to make a comment here though. As much as I love speculating and theorizing and trying to figure out what is going on. I am also just as excited to wait and watch episode to episode and just put together clues because to me that is what is making the show.

sorry, there is nothing new or untested in literature; drama being a genre of literature. depending on who you talk to, there are only 7 basic stories. some writers postulate more, some less. the bottom line is that there are only a set number of types of stories. this is why, when you go to watch a romantic comedy, you know that (a) boy meets girl, (b) they fall in love, (c) something happens which threatens the relationship, and (d) they eventually end up together. the same is true for every story out there. names, settings, etc. change, but not the general plot.

see here (http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html) for a description/breakdown.

in addition to the above link, the following list, by Booker, is the most accurate, IMO...

It may be worth noting that Christopher Booker in his "Seven Basic
Plots -- why we tell stories" has a different take -- and it took him
35 years to draw his conclusions, having started in 1969!!

The man vs xxxx plots above would all be summarised as "overcoming the monster".

He gives us, (fogive me for desperately oversimplifying his magnus opus):

1. Overcoming the monster -- defeating some force which threatens...
e.g. most Hollywood movies; Star Wars, James Bond.

2. The Quest -- typically a group setoff in search of something and
(usually) find it. e.g. Watership Down, Pilgrim's Progress.

3. Journey and Return -- the hero journeys away from home to somewhere
different and finally comes back having experienced something and
maybe changed for the better. e.g. Wizard of Oz, Gullivers Travels.

4. Comedy - not neccesarily a funny plot. Some kind of
misunderstanding or ignorance is created that keeps parties apart
which is resolved towards the end bringing them back together. e.g.
Bridget Jones Diary, War and Peace.

5. Tragedy - Someone is tempted in some way, vanity, greed etc and
becomes increasingly desperate or trapped by their actions until at a
climax they usually die. Unless it's a Hollywood movie, when they
escape to a happy ending. e.g. Devils' Advocate, Hamlet.

6. Rebirth - hero is captured or oppressed and seems to be in a state
of living death until it seems all is lost when miraculously they are
freed. e.g. Snow White.

7. Rags to Riches - self explanatory really. e.g. Cinderella &
derivatives (all 27,000 of them)!!!

Each of these plots goes through 4 or 5 main phases which are
universally recognisable and re-used. Some stories choose to jump in
at phase 3 or leave early and often leave us feeling unsatisfied.

What is much more interesting is Why are there only seven basic plots;
how are they important. For this you need to read his book, but the
answer is connected strongly to the psychology of Jung, the Ego and
the Self.

[Count2Five]

The show may draw on several genres of literature/television/storytelling, whatever. But what the writers do is take these ingredients and use them in a new and interesting way. They make it their own somehow. Some of it may be predictable, but a lot of it isn't. That's why they show is so successful.

[andrewbash]

There's no way the Island is a government experement, maybe Desmond is but not the security system, the others, and the strange healing powers of the Island.

[pocohontas619]

There's no way the Island is a government experement, maybe Desmond is but not the security system, the others, and the strange healing powers of the Island.I agree, there are too many co-incidences and people are way too connected to be a government experiment. If an experiment were the case, the people on flight 815 would have been completely random and had no connections to eachother whatsoever.

[JesSickUh]

The only thing I would hate is if it were a dream, like Jack waking up at the end of the series finale and being all like, "whew, what was that about?" THAT would really piss me off to no end!
Agreed. That would be too...Dallas (or was it Dynasty?) And that would totally negate this comment here:
Lost aint about whats been done before....Lost stretches the limits...is its own thing.
...which I'm in total agreement over.

[murbot]

The only thing I would hate is if it were a dream, like Jack waking up at the end of the series finale and being all like, "whew, what was that about?" THAT would really piss me off to no end!


Yeah, if Jack wakes up in the bed of the old Bob Newhart set, I'll be pretty pissed. :p

[Count2Five]

Agreed. That would be too...Dallas (or was it Dynasty?) And that would totally negate this comment here:

...which I'm in total agreement over.


Dallas. :mad:

[DawnMarie]

The only thing I would hate is if it were a dream, like Jack waking up at the end of the series finale and being all like, "whew, what was that about?" THAT would really piss me off to no end!
Eek, I never thought of that... it would be awful! :confused:

[DoppelgangerONE]

There's no way the Island is a government experement, maybe Desmond is but not the security system, the others, and the strange healing powers of the Island.

I agree 100%.

I believe that the shelter and Desmond may be some sort of experiment (the whole John Desmond Bernal thing is just too perfect of a fit for it to be anything else), but I don't think that you can explain all of the strange things on the island with "experiment."

Some major strange things are:

The hatch.
The "Others."
The black smoke that moves like it's alive
The island's healing powers (Locke walks now)
The security system/monster
Walt's powers
A pirate ship in the middle of the island
The fact that all of the people on the island are somehow connected to each other.


So, even if you can explain away the hatch as being an experiment of some type, you still can't explain everything else as some kind of experiment.

[Count2Five]

Yeah, and what's the deal with Jack's Father's body missing? I always wondered about that!

[phill]

the thing is, the more wild the theories get the more worried the writers will get as they have to meet the viewers expectation, to be sucessful. the theories are so elaborate that i hope it all doesnt disappoint in the end!