Hatch map?

[Mojave]

Just as someone has created a very detailed map of what we currently know about the island, someone with some artistic ability and the taped show (not me, in other words) should make a best guess of a map of the hatch/biodome. Where is everything, how is it all connected, etc.?

[Ian]

good idea, but im not sure how its going to be done.

[arnezami]

working on it as we speak. :D

Already got the walls and rooms worked out. working out lots of details now.

PS. this is not easy though. may take quite some time.

[ericcoaster]

awesome :)

[Duff]

great to hear :D

[arnezami]

Here is my concept:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3346/testmap3xp.th.png (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testmap3xp.png)

Keep in mind it doesn't show any details yet. So its not saying much yet. I'm going to post a full analysis soon I hope.

[shred]

Here is my concept:

*IF* there is a mirror image of the place, where would it be? On the opposite side of the dome?

[arnezami]

*IF* there is a mirror image of the place, where would it be? On the opposite side of the dome?I'm not sure what you mean by "mirror image" and why but I do know/think the right-upper part of my concept shows the tunnel which appears to be going on but is not yet explored by Jack.

Jack walks from the lower right upwards and then goes into the dome. When standing in the middle of the dome he sees Locke left to the tennis-table (downwards into the living quarters) and you see the kitchen table (the square).

Again. This is a simple concept. This all needs thourough analysis as most of you are used to from me.

Please be patient.

[1lostlover]

awesome :)

Oh my God! I just looked at your quote of the lottery numbers and decided what the heck I'll add them up. They add up to 108! That number was written/painted on the mural/wall of the inside Desmonds space. Of all the things that were painted on that wall, the number 108 was all I remember (no Tivo).

Did anyone else see that??????????? :o

[Mojave]

I think the reason he suggests a mirror image of the place is that in the scene just after the explosion, you see the dust flying and look out into the room, but it is all reversed. The record player/records/control panel/lava lamp are opposite to what they were earlier. In fact, the chair looks different to me as well as there doesn't appear to be a ping pong table in the earlier shot.

[Frank Sawyer]

the number 108 was all I remember (no Tivo).

Did anyone else see that??????????? :o

Yep, http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14043

[arnezami]

I think the reason he suggests a mirror image of the place is that in the scene just after the explosion, you see the dust flying and look out into the room, but it is all reversed. The record player/records/control panel/lava lamp are opposite to what they were earlier. In fact, the chair looks different to me as well as there doesn't appear to be a ping pong table in the earlier shot.There is no mirror image of the place. Its just a matter of editing. I've seen this before. The hor. flipping you mention in fact throw me off for a few secs in my earliest analysis but it has no meaning. Also the shots of the small mirrors are also duplicated (and horzontally flipped) to let it appear there are a lot of small mirrors while in fact there are only a few.

These are basic editing techniques.


PS. You can see it because the vinil player has its arm at the wrong side. ;)

[ericcoaster]

Oh my God! I just looked at your quote of the lottery numbers and decided what the heck I'll add them up. They add up to 108! That number was written/painted on the mural/wall of the inside Desmonds space. Of all the things that were painted on that wall, the number 108 was all I remember (no Tivo).

Did anyone else see that??????????? :o

heh, yeah. there's been a lot of speculation on what it could represent, like that the interior angle of a regular pentagon (which the symbols in the hatch and on his shirt are) is 108 degrees. Whole bunch of other meanings for 108, but who knows which one is actually relevant to lost.

I think the reason he suggests a mirror image of the place is that in the scene just after the explosion, you see the dust flying and look out into the room, but it is all reversed. The record player/records/control panel/lava lamp are opposite to what they were earlier. In fact, the chair looks different to me as well as there doesn't appear to be a ping pong table in the earlier shot.

I don't think there were any mirror images. when you look closely at places that seem like mirror images, they turn out to be totally different rooms with some of the same decoration.

[in_ferior]

I don't think there were any mirror images. when you look closely at places that seem like mirror images, they turn out to be totally different rooms with some of the same decoration.

that was my theory also. i came up with a drawing of the inside of the hatch also, similar to the one posted in this thread, but what throws me is the stationary bicycle is not in the same place in the two scenes. early on we see the bicycle between the table/booth and the washer/dryer and there is a frame on the wall behind it. a few seconds later he is exercising on the bike and it's in front of the light next to the weight bench. i guess the simple explanation is he moves the bike.

[Mojave]

He also moves the situp bench into the opening in front of the bedroom. So it's completely plausible that he's moving things around.

Let's get these drawings online!

[Spaxx]

Check the map, they made in the following forum:

http://www.lost-fans.de/forum/showthread.php?id=364&eintrag=120

Cheers

Spaxx

[Mojave]

That's not bad, though they have way too many right angles.

[in_ferior]

That's not bad, though they have way too many right angles.

i agree, too many right angles..

for your drawing, don't forget there's also another door in the gun room.

[ericcoaster]

and...uh...it's not in English...

[Spaxx]

try using this for translation:

http://dict.leo.org/?lang=en&lp=ende&search=

cheers lostfans

[Count2Five]

Just as someone has created a very detailed map of what we currently know about the island, someone with some artistic ability and the taped show (not me, in other words) should make a best guess of a map of the hatch/biodome. Where is everything, how is it all connected, etc.?

Where is this island map you speak of? lol.

[Amar]

Hmm. nice map. Is it a biodome?

[arnezami]

that was my theory also. i came up with a drawing of the inside of the hatch also, similar to the one posted in this thread, but what throws me is the stationary bicycle is not in the same place in the two scenes. early on we see the bicycle between the table/booth and the washer/dryer and there is a frame on the wall behind it. a few seconds later he is exercising on the bike and it's in front of the light next to the weight bench. i guess the simple explanation is he moves the bike.Yep. The bicicle has probably been moved because it looks better with the lighting. The producers have been moving other (small) items around as well. Little tables with candles on it etc. Nothing of real concequence though. The garbage container also seems to be moved between shots. The most notable change is a couch that "dissapeared" in the dome. But its very likely a small goof.

[arnezami]

That's not bad, though they have way too many right angles.I agree. Good map to start with but most the angles aren't that right. So its a little misleading.

Some things are incorrect in that map actually. The are two "nuclear"/magnetic rooms with scorched wooden walls in front of it. There is no billiar table: its a ping pong table. And between the telescope and the "insuline" box is an angle in the wall.

My concept is pretty precise when it comes to angles. Thats because every single shot has to "fit" with the map. Only then do you know its correct.

Still working on the details... :cool:

[honestjoe]

hey i'm not sure if you understood the referrence to "mirror". Check out this post (from the official Desmond thread):

http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=445663&postcount=149

It's not just an inverse (or mirrorred image), the orientation of the objects (the lamp base in particular) are NOT the same (leading some to believe that ther are similar rooms in the hatch). IF you agree, then i hope you might incorporate them in your map of the place.

my personal guess is that the place is shaped like the symbol on the locker. I think it definitely has a pentagon perimeter, and a circular center. It is sectioned off into five (equal) areas. Within those slices/or sections the decor varies according to the objects in it.

something to think about, plumbing (warm water) and electricity. I didnt hear any generators, but something is fueling the energy in the hatch, as well as maintaining (breatheable) oxygen and overall climate control (i.e. circulating the air). That something has to take up substantial space (to be structurally specific). Of course it is a TV show, and so perhaps they dont dissect it to that degree when settin up the layout of the "set". But if you wanna be specific/accurate then i think the factors (above) should apply.

my sketch is very rough and undetailed , im just hoping it will help you to understand my explanation. The thicker black lines represent hall ways. It is still a work in progress, so forgive me if it lacks accuracy.

BTW, i do like and agree with the accuracy of the two maps that are prior on this thread, good job on the hard work. I have tried to overlap it so that it would fit into my map.

[Ries]

I have started work on a actual island map, with the fuselage, caves, danielles, place black rock, all that will scan and upload when finished

[Rogue]

Hi all, first time post so apologies if its been covered ( I did check)
I think this is camera trickery at its best as although everything flows on screen from when "Desmond" wakes up to when "Desmond" uses the mirrors to see down the corridor - my belief is we are watching TWO seperate events unfold with TWO seperate people

My reasons for this are as follows -

1) Guy gets out of bed - walks to dining table area and picks up a yellow bowl to take to sink - camera changes to follow him but he is carrying a GREEN bowl.

2) As he is walking to kitchen area notice excercise bike to right near wall - Speedometer is on right of bike - when we see bike in use Speedometer is on LEFT ( 2 bikes ???? )

3) Also notice to right shirts are hung up - there are a couple of empty hangers - during "explosion scene when he grabs a shirt ALL the hangers are full

4) DON'T JUST LOOK AT THE LAVA LAMP - its the easiest thing to fix your eyes on because it is red - look at the ENTIRE unit -
when he puts the record on all the records are to the Left of the player
when we get to the "explosion" part the records are to the RIGHT of the player

5) similar to No 4 but notice when record is put on there is a sofa to the right
During "explosion" there is a CORRIDOR to the right

6) This one is just my personal opinion -
when the safe combo is put in it appears to me that TWO different handles are used to open it AND it looks as though one is taking a pistol and the other is taking a rifle of sorts of which there is no sign when the telescope is being used giving the indication that it is the pistol carrier that is actually looking down the mirrors

Didn't check for anything else as my head is starting to hurt looking for "clues"
Apologies if all this has been said in other threads but I did look to check but there was soooooo much to check through

[arnezami]

hey i'm not sure if you understood the referrence to "mirror". Check out this post (from the official Desmond thread):

http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=445663&postcount=149

It's not just an inverse (or mirrorred image), the orientation of the objects (the lamp base in particular) are NOT the same (leading some to believe that ther are similar rooms in the hatch). IF you agree, then i hope you might incorporate them in your map of the place.

my personal guess is that the place is shaped like the symbol on the locker. I think it definitely has a pentagon perimeter, and a circular center. It is sectioned off into five (equal) areas. Within those slices/or sections the decor varies according to the objects in it.

something to think about, plumbing (warm water) and electricity. I didnt hear any generators, but something is fueling the energy in the hatch, as well as maintaining (breatheable) oxygen and overall climate control (i.e. circulating the air). That something has to take up substantial space (to be structurally specific). Of course it is a TV show, and so perhaps they dont dissect it to that degree when settin up the layout of the "set". But if you wanna be specific/accurate then i think the factors (above) should apply.

my sketch is very rough and undetailed , im just hoping it will help you to understand my explanation. The thicker black lines represent hall ways. It is still a work in progress, so forgive me if it lacks accuracy.

BTW, i do like and agree with the accuracy of the two maps that are prior on this thread, good job on the hard work. I have tried to overlap it so that it would fit into my map.
Its only horizontally flipped it. Nothing more, nothing less. I've seen it before: its a basic editor trick. Later on the small mirrors are also flipped and dubplicated just to let people believe the corridors/rooms are bigger than they actually are.

In your examples its easy to see its horizontally flipped because the vinil player has its arm/needle at the wrong side! Left-armed vinil players do not exist.

Some very high res screenshots below.

Here is the unflipped picture (right-armed player) and the other one just after the dynamite bang (which is hor. flipped by the editor). you can see the vinil player is hor flipped (because its left-armed).

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5926/beforeboom28ol.th.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforeboom28ol.png) http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/337/boom24oe.th.png (http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boom24oe.png)

Besides the obvious wrong vinil player you can see that all the objects in the pics are identical when you flip back the second of the two pictures:

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/7198/beforeboom7hv.th.png (http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforeboom7hv.png) http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/473/boomflipped0dk.th.png (http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boomflipped0dk.png)

There are some things missing or replaced (like the little small black table missing and the racket missing) but these are just tiny goofs. There is noting to base any mirror image theory on. These are just little editing/producing techniques/goofs.

Also the bicicle, the workout bench, the garbage container and a couch are moved but the producers probably moved them for better lighting and positional purposes. And keep in mind these shots are probably filmed over a period of several days. Obects usually aren't exactly at the same place then.

I hope that settles it.

[Mojave]

I have started work on a actual island map, with the fuselage, caves, danielles, place black rock, all that will scan and upload when finished

There's another post on this or another forum that has very detailed maps (3D and texture-mapped) of the island. I "lost" the url and have googled and searched everywhere but to no avail.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from creating your own map, but you might get a lot out of reading the thread and checking out the maps. It was a very long thread with lots of input from many people. I'll keep looking, it's really frustrating that I've lost the url.

[Mojave]

Also the bicicle, the workout bench, the garbage container and a couch are moved

Those are things you expect to be moved by the character himself. Anyone who has had a small apartment knows that space is a premium. A bicycle and workout bench would be put off to the side for storage and brought out into the middle of the space for usage. The bike is against the wall near the w/d early and then is moved out for use. The workout bench is pulled out in front of the bedroom opening. Certainly he wouldn't leave it there all the time, he'd trip too much.

[WobblePot]

Check the map, they made in the following forum:

http://www.lost-fans.de/forum/showthread.php?id=364&eintrag=120

Cheers

Spaxx
that Map looks pretty accurate... thats how I pictured it... :D danke for the link lol :D

[Mojave]

It's good for getting an idea of the layout, but it's not very detailed. There are way too many right angles, the biodome is not that small, furniture and other items are strangely sized and it's in German. ;-)

[lostanswers]

Here is my concept:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3346/testmap3xp.th.png (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testmap3xp.png)

Keep in mind it doesn't show any details yet. So its not saying much yet. I'm going to post a full analysis soon I hope.

I was 3/4 done with my own analysis when i found your sketch, and it looks almost exactly the same as mine! i'm interested to see your analysis arnezami, so we can compare notes. in the meantime, here's mine (www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html) :

www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html

[Mojave]

Wow, what an amazing job! You and arnezami definitely need to compare notes. And there is so much more stuff on that post than just a map - check it out everyone.

[arnezami]

I was 3/4 done with my own analysis when i found your sketch, and it looks almost exactly the same as mine! i'm interested to see your analysis arnezami, so we can compare notes. in the meantime, here's mine (www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html) :

www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.htmlI'm impressed. And I'm not easely impressed ;) . Your analysis looks very good indeed. I'll post my analysis as soon as possible. Since I concentrated on exactness of walls and objects I want to give "camera views" on the map to show that the object/walls/corners are exactly in the right place.

As to comparing one note now:

You might be interested in my high res screenshots of the gun vault combination:

http://lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=450523&postcount=6

It ends with 23 and 47. (not 42 as I first thought)