Official Desmond Thread

[arnezami]

There are several clues in the shots you see of his "appartment" which could indicate either conclusion.

Is he alone or not?

Two beds, with books on the lower bed (non-lovers?):

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9122/beds2gc.th.png (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beds2gc.png)

Backgammon? (normally played by two). A magazine and book on opposite sides of the table.

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/3900/backgammon1hf.th.png (http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backgammon1hf.png)

Table tennis table (for only one person because of vertical plate?):

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/862/tabletennis6cx.th.png (http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis6cx.png)

But why a second racket on the couch?

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9472/tabletennis24ef.th.png (http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis24ef.png)

Four of the same overalls/uniforms?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1710/overalls9hm.th.png (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overalls9hm.png)

Food for thought... :)

[xxclachaxx]

About the picture of the table - If Desmond just woke up, but there is already dishes out, is that a sign that there's another person? Or maybe he just doesn't clean up after himself.

[EchoBrain]

he's probably not alone

[*Pauly*]

That would kinda mess up the meaning of the song which suggests he is living by himself. doing his own thing.

[~Faith~]

I think, ethan lived with him there

[xxclachaxx]

Maybe there's more than one hatch that other people live in? Maybe it's a whole community of others? Maybe all their tunnels are connected.

Just a thought.

[tommerp]

We actually don't have an actual time sequence on Desmond's actions. A lot could be left out, and pieced together to "mess us up".

[Britt]

I sorta agree with PolarBear......... but also i think someone with him down there 2!!

[JesSickUh]

I don't think it's his appearance that alerted Jack, so much as the 'brother' remark. Desmond's face isn't all that distinctive tome, and the only other time we've seen him, his hair is tied and he's all sweaty and gnarly looking.

I thought Danielle was only aware of people if they traipsed along her territory. The hatch isn't anywhere near there is it?

Interesting theory. Although I have to wonder how they would get along. I see them both as bad guys, but Ethan in a more obvious 'I'm gonna kill you' way, while with Desmond it's like as someone said, he's more of a Devil's Advocate.

[AlexanderDelarge]

I am guessing Ethan used to live down there before Charlie snuffed him.

[Mojave]

Was that Desmond's glass of orange juice, bowl and plate on the table? Did he have a normal breakfast before the protein shake? If not, then it was someone else's. Some people have speculated that Ethan is Desmond's bunkmate, but Ethan is dead, so he doesn't need to have breakfast. ;) But Ethan is the "other man". All very confusing!

[*Pauly*]

or it could just be leftover plates he was hardly too enthusiastic in his washing up hehe

[bibwis tolstarx]

Danielle said she heard whispers, if there is a big stretched out network of hatches, there would have to be some sort of ventilation system--esp if they basically stay underground. That would explain why she heard whispers and never saw anyone. Ethan may have been pulled from an underground hatch to infiltrate, and now he's dead, so he may have bunked with Desmond until they released him on his mission.

edit--I guess we're all pretty much thinking alike on this.

arnezami--great screen caps!! : )

[AlexanderDelarge]

Ethan had scary strength possibly from the serum injections that Desmond was taking.

[lost_freak121]

I personaly don't think Ethan was his "bunkmate" but I do think someone else lives, or whatever they do there, with him. How do you think Desmond got there, he told Jack he was preparring for a "World race", so maybe he somehow got on the island, and maybe the people that were on the island at that time (I'm guessing the "others") purswaded him to stay there, or took him prisoner...
But when is said quarantine on the bottom of the hatch door, I started thinking, and people or animals with a suspected disease go to quarantines, and remember Danielle's crew got really sick.

Oh, does anyone have screen shots of that stuff Desmond was injecting? I'd like to see I can read the label.. I bet people've tried already though...

AlexanderDelarge, that maybe be possible that he got his strength from that.

[romack]

Ethan is not connected with Des, Ethan is connected with Danielle - They have nothing to do with desmond - idon't think daniell even knows about Des.

Remember they both tried to take Claire's baby to trade with the "others" for Alex.

We know this because Ethan kidnapped Claire, and when Claire encounters Danielle at the camp she remembers Danielle gave her the scratches on her arm.

[bibwis tolstarx]

Ethan and Des aren't connected yet, but they may be downline. So far we only know the Ethan/Danielle connection. Maybe Ethan convinced Danielle (using her longing for her Alex) to kidnap Claire so he could conduct experiments on the unborn Aaron. We just don't know yet.

[Quiet Tempest]

That doesn't necessarily mean that Danielle was in league with Ethan. She may well have been trying to rescue Claire.

That's the only connection between Ethan and Danielle that I can think of. I'm more inclined to believe that Ethan is connected to the hatch and Desmond (and any others that might be living down there). Locke and Boone found the hatch following tracks left presumably by Ethan. So, why not? It's as good a theory as any.

What I don't understand, though, is if the glass of juice and bowl of food was left behind by Desmond's roomie, how could it be Ethan if Ethan was killed days ago? Surely he wouldn't have left those dishes lying out for that long... Are there bodies for each of those four suits? If so, who and where are the other two?

[lost_freak121]

Well, we don't know Danielle kidnapped Claire, though we know she did something to her, cause of the scratch mark, while Claire was gone. I doubt Ethan wanted to do experiments on an unborn baby, maybe he just wanted to have Claire, and wait for the baby to be born, then let Claire go and keep Aaron for the same reason as to keep Alex. But how did Claire escape? Maybe Danielle was supposed to watch her, and Claire somehow got away, and that's how she gave Danille those scratches

[bibwis tolstarx]

That doesn't necessarily mean that Danielle was in league with Ethan. She may well have been trying to rescue Claire

Quiet Tempest--that very well could be true. Claire may have been out of it and thought Danielle was trying to hurt her, not help her.

As far as the four shirts go, it's standard to have extra uniforms in case they get dirty--it doesn't mean a bunch of people, but I think one roomie isn't out of the question. I'm thinking Ethan because of his superhuman strength and that could have come from those vials.

[romack]

Firstly , superhuman strength from injections, if desmond had ethans strength Via the 'injections' why does he need a gun, he could strangle locke with one hand.

Ethan tried to inject claire at the camp with the same kind of needle Danielle used to drug Said, i.e to incapacitate her. Ethan and Danielle were in league to kidnap Aaron to trade the others for Alex. This is why Charlie said all 'THEY' (ETHAN AND DANIELLE) wanted was claire.

Ehan and Danielle both infiltrated the survivors to kidnap claire, Ethan lived among them and was only found out when Hurley took a census. Then Danielle came later to trick the survivors into thinking the others were coming for them so she could take Aaron in the confusion.

[bibwis tolstarx]

He could, but we don't know what he's up to yet. It depends on his motivation. Maybe they're to be subjects of experimentation or something.

[Hurleys_Spry]

It doesnt make sense that Ethan and Danielle are in league, because then who took Alex from Danielle? I think Danielle was trying to kidnap Claire BEFORE Ethan could get to her, because then she would have leverage to make a trade for her Alex. Maybe Des and Ethan are scientists (Des was almost a doctor, maybe he went crazy with his skills) and need the children to test on.

[Quiet Tempest]

Claire invisioned a needle like the one Danielle had used on Sayid. It never happened, though. It was more a "things to come" sort of vision. Like the dream about losing her baby, and she wrote about the Black Rock in her diary. I think Claire has heightened intuition.

I still don't think this puts Ethan and Danielle in cahoots.

[LAH924]

are we forgetting about claire's baby and the premonitions by the psychic during her pregnancy? just what is the deal with aaron anyway? he is another "walt?" what do the others need these children for? alex probably was the same way...

[Carrie123]

Is it possible that the Adam and Eve skelatons at the caves were connected with the Hatch? Given that there were 4 uniforms hanging on the rail in the hatch, the table tennis table and the bunk beds, can we presume from that until fairly recently Desmond has not been alone? Could it be that 'Adam' and 'Eve' were the original inhabitants of the hatch (would they be the right age for the 60's/70's stuff), or even that theyhad a family and Desmond is a son - or is that too wierd?

[Raven O'Reilly]

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Thank you.

[alch3mist]

I just noticed a Lava Lamp in there too, with I am fairly certain they were not around until the 80's or even 90's....

about the uniforms, everything in there seems to be clues.. and there are two empty hangers... which suggests to me that he either only wears those shirts 6 days per week or there is someone else there.

[lost/wwe fan]

I don't think that Ethan and Danielle are together. I also don't think Danielle made up the Black Smoke thing. I think the Others did that.

I think that the other bunk could belong to a unknown roommate or it could belong to Alex.

[Soxgirl]

I just noticed a Lava Lamp in there too, with I am fairly certain they were not around until the 80's or even 90's....

about the uniforms, everything in there seems to be clues.. and there are two empty hangers... which suggests to me that he either only wears those shirts 6 days per week or there is someone else there.

you are showing your age! the 80s, 90s were the resurgence of lava lamps, they were around in the 60s, maybe even the 50s!

then again, I am showing my age too!

[tutorbell]

I just noticed a Lava Lamp in there too, with I am fairly certain they were not around until the 80's or even 90's....

about the uniforms, everything in there seems to be clues.. and there are two empty hangers... which suggests to me that he either only wears those shirts 6 days per week or there is someone else there.

Per wikipedia.org:

An Englishman (some sources say Belgian), Edward Craven Walker, invented the original and best-known lava lamp in the 1960s. He named it the "Astrolight" or "Astro Lamp" and presented it at a Hamburg trade show in 1965, where the entrepreneur Adolph Wertheimer noticed it. Wertheimer and his business partner Hy Spector bought the American rights to the product and began to produce it as the "Lava Lite"® via a corporation called Haggerty Enterprises and trading under the name Lava World International®. The lava lamp became an icon of the 1960s.

[ImSoLost]

Maybe when Desmond told Jack he was preparing for a World race, he meant World "Race" like a "Super Race" of people?

[murbot]

Maybe when Desmond told Jack he was preparing for a World race, he meant World "Race" like a "Super Race" of people?

Did Desmond say "World Race"? I thought he said "a race around the world".

[Soxgirl]

Maybe when Desmond told Jack he was preparing for a World race, he meant World "Race" like a "Super Race" of people?

I thought he said a "race around the world" not "world race"

[deanna]

Posted this on another thread that got locked, and I must know! :

Didanyone on here notice that Desmond was around for 2 paralyzation healing miracles.

Just after Jack operated on Sarah, he went for the run, met Desmond, told him he had failed Sarah and couldn't fix her. Then Desmond says "what if you did" ...and hey! Sarah can move her toes!

Also! Desmond was on the Island when they crashed there, Locke, who was paralyzed could suddenly walk. Any connection? Whattaya think??

[Ellen]

Backgammon? (normally played by two).

Backgammon? OMG Locke was playing backgammon in one of the first episodes! That fits in with the "Locke lived with Desmond" theory.

[Evi*Is*My*Hero]

Posted this on another thread that got locked, and I must know! :

Didanyone on here notice that Desmond was around for 2 paralyzation healing miracles.

Just after Jack operated on Sarah, he went for the run, met Desmond, told him he had failed Sarah and couldn't fix her. Then Desmond says "what if you did" ...and hey! Sarah can move her toes!

Also! Desmond was on the Island when they crashed there, Locke, who was paralyzed could suddenly walk. Any connection? Whattaya think??

maybe hes a healer...

or maybe the island is part of his race around the world.

[LUKEYP]

I can't see Locke having lived with Desmond.

As it's been said before Locke was only on the plane due to not being able to complete the Walkabout.

Also i read somewhere that in the first season only 44 days had past on the island. So it would seem that Desmond has been there for a while

[Lost Mirage]

What I'm thinking is that the hatch has been around a lot longer than Desmond IN the hatch. If he was around for that whole thing with Jack (who was obviously younger, considering the awful hair)....then how does he end up in the hatch---with electronics and furnishings from what looks like another era?

Did I explain this right? :D It made more sense to me last night with 3 glasses of wine. :D

[lost/wwe fan]

I read that if Locke had did Walkabout, then he wouldn't be on the plane. Maybe that guy at the Walkabout office was connected with Desmond and the Island. Maybe he knew Locke needed to get on that island. Anyone agree?

[BelleOfTheBall]

wow, ok, i just read through all of this and theres so many thoughts.

On the 4 extra pairs of shirts: They show Desmond doing all these kind of routine things in the morning. Biking for a certain number of minutes. Eating. Showering. Turning the music on. Etc. Maybe wearing that shirt is just part of his routine? Maybe hes just some sort of wierd person who likes to wear the same outfit everyday? Haha. kinda funny sounding, but thats what I thought when I saw the shirts.

On the other hand, there were two bunks, and each looked like they had at least been previously occupied. Maybe Ethan did live down there, but if he did, that means there has to be another way out (and therefore into) the hatch. Where is it?

On the 70s themed stuff: Why does Desmond have all that? If you figure that Jacks age is late 30s (maybe? do we know how old he is?) then if he had been a new doctor when he met Desmond at the football stadium, he had to at least be 25, considering he was an actual surgeon and not a student or resident or intern (are those the same thing? I'm not a medical person, excuse me, haha). So if Jack was around 25 when he met Desmond, and hes now late 30's that places Desmond at being on the island for around 16 or so years at most. Who else has been on that island for 16 years that we know of? So that doesn't explain how everything down there is from the 70s.

Maybe he found it there and someone had already used it? Maybe Adam and Eve had lived down there, Desmond showed up, they were already dead (or he killed them? hmmm), he brought them out of the hatch and put their bodies somewhere. Maybe they had carried the disease and then he ended up getting it. They had left medicine down there. He decided to move into the hatch.

Um, that is a such long shot, but eh, I'm just letting my brain ramble off ideas.

[Lostinlife3]

I can't see Locke having lived with Desmond.



i cant either, if anyone lived with him i think it was probably Ethan

[ImSoLost]

I thought he said a "race around the world" not "world race"

My bad, you're right. But "see you in another life" line is intriguing as well.

[BelleOfTheBall]

My bad, you're right. But "see you in another life" line is intriguing as well.

thats what i thought. but then again, JJ has said they aren't dead. so....*sigh* this is hard.

[Ellen]

I can't see Locke having lived with Desmond.

Why can't you see it? :p

[Lostinlife3]

cause Locke is cool...and Desmond is freaky....LOL!

[LUKEYP]

Because as i mentioned with the time passed in season 1. Also if Locke did live with Desm ond, wouldn't any of the other survivors realise he's not staying at the cave or the beach?

[rufus77]

OK so if Desmond is looking down several coradors to fine the one that blew. He obviously is expecting someone to invade the hatch. I'll tell you what I would have done keep throwing torches down there until they stoped going out and try to smoke him out if he puts out the fire I would drop the dynamite down there!!!! Tear some stuff up!

Should have cut that damned wire on the beach LOL

[BelleOfTheBall]

OK so if Desmond is looking down several coradors to fine the one that blew. He obviously is expecting someone to invade the hatch. I'll tell you what I would have done keep throwing torches down there until they stoped going out and try to smoke him out if he puts out the fire I would drop the dynamite down there!!!! Tear some stuff up!

Should have cut that damned wire on the beach LOL
reading through the first sentence of what you posted, I had this thought:

if he had to look down several corridors before, does that mean that there are other entrances to the hatch? Otherwise, wouldn't he have known to go look immediately?

[LUKEYP]

I thought he was looking down the same corridor and the mirrors all reflected the image of the hatch back into the main room

[lost/wwe fan]

I can't see Locke living with Desmond or Locke would have known how to get into the hatch. He wouldn't have gotten so frustrated or he wouldn't look as scared when Desmond pointed the gun at him.

[hodge0914]

Oh, does anyone have screen shots of that stuff Desmond was injecting? I'd like to see I can read the label.. I bet people've tried already though...

AlexanderDelarge, that maybe be possible that he got his strength from that.

The Numbers were on the stuff he was injecting. CR 4-81516-23 42 is on the label.

[Ellen]

Because as i mentioned with the time passed in season 1. Also if Locke did live with Desm ond, wouldn't any of the other survivors realise he's not staying at the cave or the beach?

Maybe he just visits him occasionally... lol.

And sorry if this has been brought up before, but when Jack went down the hatch did anyone else notice the cameras? So maybe the survivors HAVE been watched.

[Soxgirl]

i gotta say it, i am officially sick of the numbers.

it is getting way too cutesy and over the top.

[lost/wwe fan]

Maybe he just visits him occasionally... lol.

And sorry if this has been brought up before, but when Jack went down the hatch did anyone else notice the cameras? So maybe the survivors HAVE been watched.

I didn't notice any cameras. Do you or anyone have a pic of this?

[Ellen]

Yeah, they showed Jack's reflection in a camera.

I'll go see if anyone's posted a pic.

[polyphenus]

Here's a thought I just had:

The strange mural on the wall was definitely child-like in design. There's only one child we know about who wasn't where she was supposed to be: Alex. She might have been taken by the "Others" (meaning those inside the hatch) to live in a quarantined environment to survive whatever sickness everybody on Danielle's team was infected with.

It could be like Michael Crichton's novel "The Andromeda Strain" where certain age groups (in this case newborn children) are immune to a disease and therefore must be quarantined ASAP. If this was the case, whomever she was inside the underground facility with may have allowed her to paint the mural on the wall, including the imagery about the numbers and sickness that she learned as time went on. And who knows, maybe she's still down there with Desmond...?

Keep in mind this is all purely speculation on my part. Take it with a grain or two of salt... :-)

[Screen-name]

it wasnt a camera it was a mirror

[Hurleys_Spry]

it wasnt a camera it was a mirror
Are you kidding me? It even rotated a little to look at Jack.

[LUKEYP]

Desmond can adjust the angles of the mirrors it shows u this in the opening sequence

[Save_Charlie]

Yep. Definitely a camera.

Did anyone notice that all the sounds in the hatch combine to make the noise the "monster" makes? Maybe I'm nuts, but if you disect the monster noises you can definitely hear individual sounds. I think thats where the noises from the security system are coming from and Desmond is the one that created it and is activating it when anything comes within a certain distance of the hatch or whatever else its guarding.

[lostmjm]

Desmond tells Jack that he is participating in a "race around the world". Does that mean anything?

[cmgames]

Does anyone think Desmond is some sort of holyman and that the eppy title man of science, man of faith applies to him. First off he wanted to become a doctor but obviously something persuaded him to go on another path. He made reference to miracles when talking to Jack, his tone of voice and also kept calling him "brother" in a way a religious person would say it.

[LUKEYP]

I thought the title of the episode was referring to Jack & Locke

[BelleOfTheBall]

the thing that looks at Jack is a mirror. Definately a mirror. He can adject the mirrors to look at certain things or areas.

[Kazen]

A thing i noticed is the "desmond" that wakes up is shaved, at the end when you se Desmond he is not shaved. So that could mean there are two diffrent people there.

Or it could just be a mistake, "bug"...

[lost/wwe fan]

I thought it was a mirror. I knew I didn't see any cameras.

[polyphenus]

I agree with cmgames's last post. Man of science: Desmond was almost a doctor and whatever he's doing down below is definitely a science experiment of some sort. Man of faith: Desmond seems to be trying to convince Jack to have more faith in miracles, as seen during the stadium scene.

Maybe Desmond is the counterpart to both Locke and Jack. He represents each part of the two men in one person. And if you notice, he seemed to be doing a good job controlling both the man of science (Jack) and the man of faith (Locke) at the end of the episode...

[lost/wwe fan]

I think that Jack was the Man of Science and that Desmond was the Man of Faith in this episode.

[allnite]

First Time post go easy on me.

Sorry if i am repeating what someone has already posted, but i think we already saw the 2 people living in the hatch.

at the beginning we saw someone in the hatch(maybe desmond) waking up working out eating showering and seemed to be very well gromed. thats one person in the hatch. Now at the end of the ep we saw desmond holding the gun to lockes head but i don't think he was the person at the beginning of the ep because the guy holding the gun had dirt under his finger nails he had facial hair(stuble) and looked like he just came from a hard days work(didn't look like he just showered).

so my theory is there are two the person we saw first and desmond who seemed to have come back from somewhere it's like there are 2 guys taking shifts working on something

any thoughts wld be appreciated

[Lost Mirage]

Wasn't there BOTH a camera and a mirror? I remember the two shots: One of the mirror, leaning against a wall, and one of Jack's reflection as he looks into the lens.

That whole scene was very Silence of the Lambs-ish to me. :D

[grish2001]

what about those shoes they wanted you to see? one of the first things jack saw in the hatch? i would imagine they belong to someone other than desmond, but who? and why are their shoes off? maybe he has kate?

[Screen-name]

Wasn't there BOTH a camera and a mirror? I remember the two shots: One of the mirror, leaning against a wall, and one of Jack's reflection as he looks into the lens.

That whole scene was very Silence of the Lambs-ish to me. :D


The last mirror is what is leaning against the wall by the shaft. The other mirrors are the ones he can adjust to see different areas of his underground lair. It works similar to a periscope but with his adjustments he can view many different areas.

And Polyphenus i didnt think of that i think it is a good theory. Desomnd almost being a doctor, now i realize that he trusted faith instead of science hence not choosing to become a doc.

[Lost Mirage]

Oh duh, there were multiple mirrors? :o I suppose my mind just kinda grouped them all together. :D

The shoes---did anyone else get reminded of Jack walking past the white sneakers in pilot? I'm thinking/guessing that they're Kate's...but why would they be off? They're very neatly placed on the ground, so my guess is that they weren't taken off in a struggle--you know, just lying there. Either KATE herself took them off (because she likes bare feetsies or Desmond asked her to), or Desmond knocked her out in some way and then took the shoes off.

[Lost Man]

There's obviously something different from the first minute of the show, when the person is working out, etc...and when Kate, Locke and Jack finally make it down there. Computer desk, biodome lighting, equipment, dirty nails, etc...Should be fun next week!

[jigsawyer]

It was a clever system of mirrors and lenses. No cameras involved.

Locke & Desmond? Possible.
Ethan & Desmond? Likely.

I'm sure he is not one of "The Others", maybe he doesn't even know about them. And guys, you forget one important thing about "is/was he all alone all the time?":

- if there is no other exit, who the hell put all the plants and dirt onto the hatch?

[lost/wwe fan]

If he is not an Other, than he knows about them. Why else would he have all those guns and mirrors. He's protecting himself if he's not one of the Others.

[ericcoaster]

It could be like Michael Crichton's novel "The Andromeda Strain" where certain age groups (in this case newborn children) are immune to a disease and therefore must be quarantined ASAP. If this was the case, whomever she was inside the underground facility with may have allowed her to paint the mural on the wall, including the imagery about the numbers and sickness that she learned as time went on. And who knows, maybe she's still down there with Desmond...?


I also thought about "The Andromeda Strain" as soon as I saw the Quarantine thing. Another similarity to the book is what happened to the plane that flew over the infected city in the book (it crashed), and what happened to flight 815 when it flew over the island (it crashed). So if Desmond injected himself with something that had the numbers on it, maybe it prevents him from being affected by the "numbers virus". However, I've never heard of a virus that affects luck and probability.

So does anyone know if anyone from Lost said how realistic all the answers are?

[gzee]

... Maybe Ethan did live down there, but if he did, that means there has to be another way out (and therefore into) the hatch. Where is it? ...



Back at the place where they got the dynamite, when Locke was almost dragged into a hole, but Jack saved him.

[lost/wwe fan]

That would be a very rough entrance.

[gzee]

That would be a very rough entrance.

Yeah. But it could be secured underground instead of at the surface. The entire island could be undermined with tunnels and rooms, an underground "city."

...I've never heard of a virus that affects luck and probability.

Check out the movie "Code 46" for ideas about how sophisticated future viruses might become.

[B-Sharps]

what if desmond is really the monster and that stuff he was injecting himself with, were the stuff that kept him from transforming into the monster?
or... the stuff made him trasform into the monster.

also has anyone noticed that the monster hasnt actually harmed anyone? wait the pilot in the first couple of episodes, but that could've been the polar bears

[ericcoaster]

lol, I don't think so...

Hmmm...I really want to know what Desmond injected himself with, it would really reveal a lot of stuff.

and I've never heard of a polar bears that can fling people into trees while sounding exactly like the monster

I still think it's a disease or virus...

[redemption]

Alright. Has anyone thought about how the numbers were on the outside of the hatch.. and then their also on whatever he shoots into him. He has enough bottles of that drug to last him a life time. The Hatch was buried under ground and no one really has been to this island in how long? Clearly no one really knows about it. The ladder is destroyed..


.. Anyone else think it's a little well... odd that the numbers are on the drugs and on the hatch?

[PenguinJanitor]

I think the "others" were experimenting on desmond.....and something went wrong so they others locked him up and continuely supply him with food and drugs?? or something...guns! why would they give him guns? bah, nevermind.

[Talio]

thats what i thought. but then again, JJ has said they aren't dead. so....*sigh* this is hard.

Remember back, way back to Tabula Rosa. Remember Kate and Jack sitting on the beach. Remember their conversation:

Kate

I want to tell you what I did - why he was after me.

Jack

I don't want to know. It doesn't matter, Kate, who we were - what we did before this, before the crash. It doesn't really. . . 3 days ago we all died. We should all be able to start over.

We all died. Not literally, but figuratively. They all have a new life.

And Desmond said he'd see him in another life.

Didn't anyone else catch that at the time? As soon as he said that, I knew it was him in the Hatch.

[wherearewe?]

i have three ideas:
1) desmond has been cursed by the numbers of the island and he is the one on the transeiver that danielle and her crew heard 16 years ago.

2) there is someone else with desmond, walt acted very strange, like maybe he was sick and the others had him messed up. maybe walt his now desmonds bunkie.

3) it's posible in the season final that locke wanted to be drug down that whole because he believed it to be anoth entrance to the hatch. and if it was another entrance then that would explain if the others wre able to take walt there or not.




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Remember back, way back to Tabula Rosa. Remember Kate and Jack sitting on the beach. Remember their conversation:

Kate

I want to tell you what I did - why he was after me.

Jack

I don't want to know. It doesn't matter, Kate, who we were - what we did before this, before the crash. It doesn't really. . . 3 days ago we all died. We should all be able to start over.

We all died. Not literally, but figuratively. They all have a new life.

And Desmond said he'd see him in another life.

Didn't anyone else catch that at the time? As soon as he said that, I knew it was him in the Hatch.



yeah i caught that, did you see the way he was running, like he was running for dear life. maybe he used to be with the others but then got sick and was quarantined away from them, just a thought.

[Lilypotter37]

Maybe it's just me but I'm confused about what Desmond was eating. I saw him each fresh eggs but what confuses me is where did he get them from? How can he get fresh food if he was living in the hatch? any ideas?

[jigsawyer]

Maybe a bunch of chicken are his only friends in there.

[jetembers]

I am sure the shots are just some kind of supplement. Living underground for X amount of years, I'm sure you would lack essential nutrients. Vitamin D comes mostly from the sun, I bet there is something in it to help with maintaining muscle.

did he have fruit too?

and did any one notice the tide bottle on his very modern washer drier.

[Lilypotter37]

I don't remember if he had fruit. He was making one of those healthy- disgusting shakes and he was exercising which makes sense because he is a runner... or was....

[Spigot]

He added what looked to be maraschino cherries, only a little bigger, and a lemon slice to it.

[Quiet Tempest]

Well, if the theories surfacing now from the find on "John Desmond Bernal" (see thread here: http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14177) are accurate, then it could be that the hatch (and perhaps the rest of the island) is part of a huge self-sustaining biodome. So, Desmond can probably get all the foods and make 'organic' cleaning supplies (such as the liquid dish detergent) whenever he needs them.

I think it's a great theory.

[ericcoaster]

But what about the eggs? I didn't see a chicken coop... I think he gets some essential supplies from outside the island, and the injection was somethin else

lol, well the others have a boat, so it's possible they import the food

[sam2005]

I think Desmond was actually training to go into the facility when he met Jack, and just used "Race around the world" as a facetious cover story. If it is a biodome, then "quarantine" would make plenty of sense because the whole point would be to keep the people inside isolated from the outside. But then there is that matter about the guns and the secrecy and the pirates and everything.

[*Pauly*]

I dunno I get the feeling he was just a fitness freak and the main reason he still builds himself up is habit and a need to survive on the island. I don't think he has any creepy hidden agenda.

[jetembers]

He added what looked to be maraschino cherries, only a little bigger, and a lemon slice to it.
I was wondering what the other fruit was, I thought it was a pear.
AND WHY IN THE CRAP DOES EVERYONE THINK THAT DESMOND IS INCOGNETO WITH THE OTHERS!

[Locke For Mayor]

I wasn't sure exactly where to post these two observations that I have had, so I'm going to put them here. I apologize if I step on anyones toes who may have already posted similar ideas.

1) I believe the numbers on the vial that Desmond injects himself with refer to him. Maybe he is patient number 4-8-15-16-23-42. That's also why the hatch has the numbers on the outside. Its a designation as to who is inside.

2) The name Desmond. I looked it up in a baby name book that I have and it said it's a dirivative of Esmond. Esmond mean divine protection.

[LUKEYP]

I wasn't sure exactly where to post these two observations that I have had, so I'm going to put them here. I apologize if I step on anyones toes who may have already posted similar ideas.

1) I believe the numbers on the vial that Desmond injects himself with refer to him. Maybe he is patient number 4-8-15-16-23-42. That's also why the hatch has the numbers on the outside. Its a designation as to who is inside.

I like this theory

[lost/wwe fan]

I haven't heard that theory that that's his patient number, but that doesn't explain how the numbers cursed Hurley.

[LUKEYP]

I haven't heard any theory that explains the numbers

[SKaN0n56]

this is kinda off subject 2 wat every 1 else is discussing on this thread but it has 2 do wit desmond.as i was watchin an idea hit me out of the blue. i thought, "wat if every 1 ran into desmond b4 da crash. then they would all b connected in some way." they didnt have 2 actually talk 2 desmond jus, u knoe,accidentally bump into him or something.that would fit wit all da theories about da survivors "meeting" each other pre-crash. they met each other through desmond.i dont knoe, im jus throwing it out there.

[andrewbash]

I like this theory

Yes, so do I. I never thought about that untill now, but now it seems like the most probable numbers theory.

[tru_angel]

HOLY Crap! Someone post a cap of his medicine...it says CR 4-81516-23 42

NOT EVEN JOKING!

Go read my LJ for my full theory.

[zapp645]

also it looks like his gun cabinet combo ends in 23-42...

[LadyDragonfly]

Hey all! This is my first post so bear with me if I haven't gotten all the board-isms yet :)

Here are my ideas/thoughts on Desmond: The "Quarantine" was on the inside of the hatch, making the island the "zone". What Desmond has nothing to do with the Others but is in fact hiding/guarding the hatch to make certain the Others don't get through to wherever he is? I guess I keep thinking of that movie "The Island" where there was something else beyond the world that we see. Since we know Ethan had ALOT of power/strength, perhaps Desmond is "beefing up" to fight against possible infiltration to his area by Others.

Basically:
Danielle = other survivor
Ethan = Others
Desmond = something else entirely

It just seems that the writers love stories within stories within stories and that maybe they are just complicating the mix to add more story possibilities/plotlines.

What do you think?

[BigB]

I haven't heard any theory that explains the numbers

If you enter 4.815 162.342 for latitude and longitude you will find that the numbers roughly give there location.

[dkastrinos]

Here's a thought. I've read people theorizing about multiple people in the biodome. What about cloning? Could Desmond have cloned himself? And continue to do so? That could explain the fact that everything in the hatch is so 80's. Another clone of him got out a few years back and ran into Jack. There are several clones in the hatch to do experiments........

This probably isn't the case, I just think it could be cool. Cloning is a hot topic right now. And totally works with the sci-fi vibe.

[LostDee]

Anyone notice Desmond rearranged is Demonds?

[rudy619]

does anybody know the name of the song that Desmond was listening to on his record player?
....thank you.

Make your own kind of Music - Cass Elliot

thank you.

[BigB]

does anybody know the name of the song that Desmond was listening to on his record player?
....thank you.


Make your own kind of Music - Cass Elliot

[Quiet Tempest]

Anyone notice Desmond rearranged is Demonds?

Demonds? Is that significant? I don't know of any Demonds...?

[Locke For Mayor]

about the clone thing. Someone else posted that it is a scientific fact that clones wouldn't end up looking exactly like the original. In cats they start to show physical differences from the original after just a few years, or something like that.

The person who originally posted the cat thing was talking about ethan and the possibility that he may be a clone

[Desmond]

About Desmond's weapons. I think the assault rifle he takes is a M14(?)

[Sauron]

Clones look the same, maybe a few physical experience differences (scars and stuff), but they look basically the same. The proof is all around you. Twins are what we call natural clones, so its like twins, only artificial

[sobient]

My bet is that Desmond has some of a disease, and have to take those vials.

And ofc, Locke *will* kick his arse :]

[Willow the Entwife]

When I was watching the beginning, trying to figure out who it was, I thought it was a flashback & the whole time, was saying, "It's Locke, no it's Sawyer, no, it's Locke. NO, Sawyer!"

[ace_ryan_icon]

Did Desmond remind anyone else of Alex De Large?

[Save_Charlie]

When I was watching the beginning, trying to figure out who it was, I thought it was a flashback & the whole time, was saying, "It's Locke, no it's Sawyer, no, it's Locke. NO, Sawyer!"

OMG! My fiance and I were arguing over it too! It drove us both nuts until we figured it out!

[jetembers]

The clone idea would be unoriginal, and I doubt that Lost would use it.
Plus there is no reason to even believe it's a possiblitity for the show.

BTW what is the deal with the three letter thing?

[Whit]

What is the name of the actor who plays Desmond?

[yarborg]

I watched the show again and there is definately some new stuff in there. Check out the washer and dryer. Yeah the computer stuff is way old so obviously something has been going on a while there. My guess is that the 60's-80's stuff is from other people that have camped out there in the past. But the washer and dryer are from the last 2 years.

As for Walt, I think it was a projection of himself, either from Walt or the Island. Vincent seemed to have led them right to him.

[tru_angel]

sorry...to lazy to type it all up here, but I have a decent (I think) theory up at my LJ:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/arabella_hope/2005/09/22/

Just leave your sceen name for here if you post anonomously (can't spell...sorry) >: l

[shred]

The uniforms: in the screen cap (around here somewhere) the uniforms look to me to be different sizes. The sleeves fall on different places on the ends of the hangers. So there are more people down there?

[sam2005]

Desmond is played by Henry Ian Cusick. Here (http://imdb.com/name/nm0193738/) is his imdb page (has a very minor spoiler that shows how many of the next 2 episodes he's in).

[rytonj]

Has anyone mentioned the meaning of the name Desmond?

Name Gender: Male
Origin: Celtic, Latin
Meaning:
1) Man of the World, Society
2) Gracious Protector

[dangdang]

As you must have noticed Desmond is an anagram for "mend dos", The hatch is probably a microsoft project. And the other bed in the bunker is for Bill Gates.
Because the anagram of Bill Gates is among many other things "Balls I Get.

[Teddy7734]

At the very beginning, Desmond woke up due to the computer beeping. I definitely think this was when the security system was close to Jack, Kate, Locke, and Hurley in the jungle when they were on their way to the hatch with the dynamite, and he immediately gets up and presses the execute button causing the security system to attack them. Due to the beginning montage, it's hard to keep a sense of time, but I think that's what happened.

[mipac]

yeah maybe

[cam]

There are several clues in the shots you see of his "appartment" which could indicate either conclusion.

Is he alone or not?

Two beds, with books on the lower bed (non-lovers?):

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9122/beds2gc.th.png (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beds2gc.png)



Where's that "natural" light coming from?

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6627/label6qm.th.png (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=label6qm.png)
Here's the label if you didn't see it already... sorry if somebody already posted it.

[UConnBigO]

I believe that the answer to the clues that were found wherever are DESMOND and MAN,

but I thought I'd add that another thing that had alot of emphasis in this episode was

EXECUTE which is 7 letters and begins and ends with an E, just noticed it, but i think desmond is the answer to that hint

[cam]

Ok so Desmond is wearing the suit/jumpsuit that he put on earlier in the episode. So was iit a montage of previous happenings, or the begining of the "get into hatch" idea?

My bad, you're right. But "see you in another life" line is intriguing as well.

That struck me as intriguing also when i heard it.
The first thing i thought was;

"See you in another life"

another life = the island?

[RedSimmy]

Right, so at the beginning of this thread people were saying who they think is in the hatch with Desmond, if there is someone ... right ? Well originally wasnt it ment 2 be this emeka person, i heard the actor is still on the show but playing a different character which was described as "a mysterious island man living on the island" ... so couldnt it be this guy in the hatch ??? (If you dont know who this is its the guy of rufus777 avi) ...

[galligirl]

Did anyone notice that the beeping they opened the episode with was the same beeping as the equipment in the raft when it showed them a "ship" was in the water?

Danielle has definitely been alone the whole time. She has no connection to anyone.

Even with the anagram deal, I still think Ethan is part of The Others.

Locke has never been down there, or he wouldn't have been so excited to open the hatch.

Do you think it's possible that Desmond somehow heals these people and then they do his bidding? We still don't know what happened to Jack's wife (the chick from Ed). Maybe she will end up on the island too? Locke is obviously doing his bidding or the Island's, even though it appears like he's not (i.e. desmond training a gun on his head).

[J-Abrams]

I dont think Desmond was alone in the hatch..
The other bed, the other shoes.. the other coats...I think this is shown to let us know there are more then one person down there..
oh and i dont think they were Kates shoes, why would she take them off..Maybe could be DR shoes..

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4043/losthdtvlolvtvavi37707ay.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9583/losthdtvlolvtvavi506638nn.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/927/losthdtvlolvtvavi12331qi.jpg

[cam]

Yeah i thought the 4 coats could have been more then one person, but then it could just be back up coats just in case the other ones get dirty :p

[honestjoe]

correct me if i'm wrong, but if you look at the these two pics (from first page of this thread) the two rooms are NOT the same. Look at the orientation of the lamp, and even the reel-to-reel tape player. They are in totally different positions and placements:

http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis6cx.png
http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis24ef.png

Now it could be an oversight/mistake of the set-people or director during shooting, or it could be a different BUT similar room. Note* i thought it could be an "inverse" image (happens when a negative is flipped over) but even then the orientation of the objects (check angle of the lampbase in the 2 pics) is not the same.

Maybe no big deal, but since everyone is so specific abou the details, i thought it would be worth mentioning.

(sorry i couldnt figure out how to shrink the size of the pics so that i could attach them).

[J-Abrams]

yeah i can see that, nice find..
its mirrored, or at least it looks like that..
But why do that for, or is it another room all completely..

[Noetic]

what about those shoes they wanted you to see? one of the first things jack saw in the hatch? i would imagine they belong to someone other than desmond, but who? and why are their shoes off? maybe he has kate?
They were Desmond's running shoes - presumably the ones he was wearing when he talked to Jack in the flashback sequence.

[LostPack]

correct me if i'm wrong, but if you look at the these two pics the two rooms are NOT the same. Look at the orientation of the lamp, and even the reel-to-reel tape player. They are in totally different positions and placements:
http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis6cx.png
http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis24ef.png
Now it could be an oversight/mistake of the set-people or director during shooting, or it could be a different BUT similar room. Note* i thought it could be an "inverse" image (happens when a negative is flipped over) but even then the orientation of the objects (check angle of the lampbase in the 2 pics) is not the same. Maybe no big deal, but since everyone is so specific abou the details, i thought it would be worth mentioning..
Wow. Yes - that is certainly weird. Using the "music/entertainment center" where the albums are as a reference - that area is sort of mirrored - as though we're seeing it from the other side - very weird

[Noetic]

also has anyone noticed that the monster hasnt actually harmed anyone? wait the pilot in the first couple of episodes, but that could've been the polar bears
I am not sure whether polar bears have a habit of being x feet in the air and being able to grab people from above... at least that is what *whatever took the pilot* seemed to be doing.

Wow. Yes - that is certainly weird. Using the "music/entertainment center" where the albums are as a reference - that area is sort of mirrored - as though we're seeing it from the other side - very weird
I thought part of the scene in the hatch was from the past, when they went inside it definitely looked a lot older, grubbier somehow.

.. Anyone else think it's a little well... odd that the numbers are on the drugs and on the hatch?
I don't know... I think the hatch is numbered with the ID number of the vaccine... perhaps there are others, other hatches, in other places, or at least whoever was originally put in there THINKS there are.

I think perhaps the island was an experiment to test a virus, and Desmond and/or whoever was originally in there were used to test a vaccine on (the stuff he injects). He believes that the rest of the world is infected, at war or something.

The reason why he was transmitting the numbers (before Rousseau overwrote the message) could be that whoever was originally put in the hatch was made to believe that the rest of the world to be infected with a virus, and he was trying to communicate that the vaccine with that number (batch number?) was working?

This also explains the numbers on the outside of the hatch - if the vaccine works, transmitting the signal would help whoever (authorities?) came to find the survivor(s) in there identify their location.

[jigsawyer]

I'm dead sure Desmond knew that he'd see Jack again, right on that island. The moment he saw Jack, he knew who was standing in front of him - therefore he hid in the shadows first.... smells like a big, big conspiracy.

Hopefully no one lets loose and kills him in a stress minute, like they did with Ethan.

[J-Abrams]

I don't know... I think the hatch is numbered with the ID number of the vaccine... perhaps there are others, other hatches, in other places, or at least whoever was originally put in there THINKS there are.

I think perhaps the island was an experiment to test a virus, and Desmond and/or whoever was originally in there were used to test a vaccine on (the stuff he injects). He believes that the rest of the world is infected, at war or something.

The reason why he was transmitting the numbers (before Rousseau overwrote the message) could be that whoever was originally put in the hatch was made to believe that the rest of the world to be infected with a virus, and he was trying to communicate that the vaccine with that number (batch number?) was working?

This also explains the numbers on the outside of the hatch - if the vaccine works, transmitting the signal would help whoever (authorities?) came to find the survivor(s) in there identify their location.

i like this theory, and most of it actually makes sense..
For all we know, Desmond thinks the outside world no longer exists. or that tehy are all infected..

[Killing_Spree]

I think he has special powers like "Walt", "Aaron".
Its obvious Des has been there for quite a while, so I think he remote projected himself to Jack in the hospital, how else can you explain why
he just seemed to appear out of nowhere, Just like the Polar Bear.
And how he knew that Jacks ex was gonna walk again.
Maybe The Meds enhance his power or maybe even stifle it so his brain doesnt blow up.

Well not so Desmond related but (sorry if somebodies already stated it);

Where the music stops (when Desmond is shooting himself with the medicine) it starts up where it left off in the end of the episode when Jack is down the hatch looking for Locke & Kate.


Yeah
timeline is:
He started shooting himself up,
right in the middle of it
the hatch blows up (you can hear the boom in the background).

[Johnni]

what may happen is that desmond will appear in most of the castaways flashbacks in S2 and that in some way got them all onto the island i.e by getting them on the plane in some strang way.
It could end up one big experiment in that the 'Quarantone' sign was on the inside of the hatch therefore suggests the virus was on the island but if the virus is true that what does it do?.

[cam]

Well not so Desmond related but (sorry if somebodies already stated it);

Where the music stops (when Desmond is shooting himself with the medicine) it starts up where it left off in the end of the episode when Jack is down the hatch looking for Locke & Kate.

Yeah
timeline is:
He started shooting himself up,
right in the middle of it
the hatch blows up (you can hear the boom in the background).
Ok just re-watched it all and everything just clicked then lol thanks

[Noetic]

I'm dead sure Desmond knew that he'd see Jack again, right on that island. The moment he saw Jack, he knew who was standing in front of him - therefore he hid in the shadows first.... smells like a big, big conspiracy.
Not necessarily - what if from Desmond's PoV, the first meeting with Jack is actually happening AFTER the events on the island? He had an air of "I know what's gonna happen" about him, perhaps he knows from the island that Jack's patient will be able to walk, because from his PoV, Jack already told him about it?

That might also explain why the hab module in the hatch is "stuck in the past" - because the guy inside is stuck in the past (when he came to the island, it was the 70ies or 80ies or something)?

i like this theory, and most of it actually makes sense..
For all we know, Desmond thinks the outside world no longer exists. or that tehy are all infected..
Certainly would explain why he's armed to the teeth and not very keen on visitors! Anyone who had spent a long time on their own would normally be glad to be freed in most circumstances, unless they have reason to believe that something is wrong with the outside world.

[SlayerVixen]

Sorry this is a little late but i just wanted to say i don't think that Desmond/Locke are in cahoots or whatever but perhaps Locke knows about the virus and wants to be infected so that he doesn’t need to leave the island if and when the time comes? Locke seems so intent on staying i think he would probably do something crazy like that and because i think he's probably afraid of losing his ability to walk again.

[Sanka]

I think that the clips they are showing in the beginnng like when he is taking a shower,training and makes food, is from when he lived there with Ethan. Because there was 2beds and 4 white unfiroms 2 for each person. And another thing is when he hear the boom he wear this white unfirom and in th end of the episode when he meet jack he wear a green unfiform and he´s hear,nails and face is all dirty. So i dont think the day he heard the boom is the same day/month as when he met jack

cant see any stubb, give time.

[Tanny]

It's probably just my weird imagination, but I keep getting the feeling that Jack has something Desmond needs/wants and that he somehow managed to 'draw' Jack too him, to the island. Like someone mentioned earlier, he could have projected himself to the stadium where he met Jack. He obviously knows stuff about Jack, than Jack doesn't even know.. Like that he was going to fix Sarah...
...or maybe I just need some sleep!

[LUKEYP]

It is the same day. Desmond had stubble when he was looking down the telescope.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3209/desmondstubble1mw.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondstubble1mw.jpg)

Here you can see stubble on the right side of his face

[Addicted]

Ok. Quick idea. We never see the face of the first guy that lives in the hatch, but we see the face of the other one later. We know that Desmond lives there and he was the second guy, but we cant confirm he was the first one. As previously posted, the first guy was cleaned and shaven, but the desmond we see later is covered in dort and not shaven. He may be the person who lievs with the first guy because as we see in the closet, one suit is already missing.

Also, what if the first guy we saw had taken Kate, and then Desmond has Locke and Jack. Therefor Desmond would not have Kate as well.

[Turd Ferguson]

I personaly don't think Ethan was his "bunkmate" but I do think someone else lives, or whatever they do there, with him. How do you think Desmond got there, he told Jack he was preparring for a "World race", so maybe he somehow got on the island, and maybe the people that were on the island at that time (I'm guessing the "others") purswaded him to stay there, or took him prisoner.

It could also be that Desmond was in the habit of telling people that he was going on a race around the world because he knew he was about to go off to some secret deserted island experiment. It was his cover story.

[ace_ryan_icon]

When Kate threw the Dynomite down the hole Locke was being dragged into was that what triggered the computer? Or was it part of his daily regiment. Because he exercised and ate breakfast like it was a daily thing. So i don't think he controls the Sercuirty System. But it is interesting about maybe Ethan being his buddy down there, but if Desmond shoots himself up, then Ethan would had to have too, and if the area above is the infected area, why would Ethan be allowed to surface? See, i kinda think their are 4 different entities. Desmond, The Others, Danielle (Who i believe was in league with Ethan) and The Island.

[sparkosu]

The opening sequence doesn't show any eggs. The stuff he puts in the blender is obviously powder of some sort, 2 maraschino cherries, a slice of canned peach, and a liquid. So, nothing fresh.

As for the shoes, they aren't his running shoes, they're hiking boots. If anyone has the episode where Kate takes the shoes off the dead woman we could compare.

[elleesa]

Okay, I like the idea of two people. It makes sense. We see man#1 getting up, checking the computer, showering and making breakfast. But it's man#2 (Desmond) who has his morning routine interrupted when they blow the hatch. Nice.....

[Carrie123]

I don't remember seeing him shave in the intro, just wash and shower

I'm guessing his hands were dirty from grabbing Kate and Locke - Kate presumably atleast put up a fight when she was dragged out the last bit of the hatch shaft as she was obviously stressed enough to shout for Jack a lot, Locke maybe not so much. Remember that the base of hatch had a puddle in it and so if he was taking shoes off or messing around with the cabling that got dragged with Kate (where did that go) Desmond would have gotten dirty.

Also we don't know what D was doing when Locke, Jack, Kate and Hurley went back to the camp - they must have been gone for about 30 mins atleast (guessing by the half mile walk either way), I doubt D would have just stood there looking at the mirror the whole time - he was probably scrabbling about checking the rest of the 'dome' was ok.

[LJ Squared]

The opening sequence doesn't show any eggs. The stuff he puts in the blender is obviously powder of some sort, 2 maraschino cherries, a slice of canned peach, and a liquid. So, nothing fresh.

As for the shoes, they aren't his running shoes, they're hiking boots. If anyone has the episode where Kate takes the shoes off the dead woman we could compare.

Yes thats definately tinned fruit and im pretty sure there Kates Boots.
Everything points to the guy at the start being down there a long time.
I originally liked the theory that that guy is Desmonds twin but now have a new theory:

The guy at the start is the "Man of Science" and Desmond is the "Man of Faith". Don't forget that the hatch was open , unguarded, for a least an hour when the Jack, Locke and Co. went back to talk to the people at the cave. Desmond could have got down there during the period of time before Locke and Kate go back to the hatch.

[sier]

http://sier.home.comcast.net/desmond_shirt.jpg

Desmonds shirt while talking to Jack in the stadium. It has a "drawn" on pentagon with a two headed bird. Pretty strange.

Pentagon's angles are 108 degrees by the way.

[LJ Squared]

Damn Carrie you beat me , I spend to long thinking about my posts

[LUKEYP]

I'm sure thats the logo on the cabinet holding the serum.

[sier]

I'm sure thats the logo on the cabinet holding the serum.

No, the logo you are referring to is a bagua:

http://images.google.com/images?q=bagua&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi

The emblem on his shirt is entirely different.

http://sier.home.comcast.net/desmond_shirt.jpg

[Lost Man]

It appears that Desmond (assuming it's him) is wearing the shoes, that Jack sees later on, while he's riding the bike.

[powercell99]

Ok, we know we see one man, clearly clean shaven and cleaned hands. And yet later that man that we thought was the same man, now has razor stubble, and dirt or mud on his fingers. the title of the episode is "man of science, man of faith. i dont think desmond was in there with ethan, but rather with his twin brother. one brother is a man of science (probably who built or maintains many of the things in the hatch) and his brother the man of father (this is who i think jack met, Desmond) i think the man of science is the one with dirt on his fingers, holding the gun on John. He didnt appear to recognize jack.


the question is, if he is a twin, what could his brother's name be?

[soumya86]

i read they were kates shoes

[pijo]

Since we don't know the exact timing of when Desmond met Jack for the first time, Could the "race around the world" comment be in reference to Desmond trying to travel around the world setting up the necessary steps to bring these different people together, and then getting on the island before them?

Also: the numbers that Hurley supposedly heard from some guy in an institution... that was obviously somebody connected to the island... could that have been Desmond in the institution?

[rachelsbox]

Did anyone notice that on the bottle of the medicine Desmond injected were the numbers??

Also, what if the first guy we saw had taken Kate, and then Desmond has Locke and Jack. Therefor Desmond would not have Kate as well.

He had to have Kate too b.c. Locke said she was fine to Jack and hes probably dirty now b.c. hrs have passed from when they blew the hatch open and then when Kate and Locke went down and he probably struggled with both

Also Desmond means Man of the World

[soumya86]

Did anyone notice that on the bottle of the medicine Desmond injected were the numbers??

yep hun its been mentioned a lot :)

[Pepper1o1]

Ok a couple of my thoughts after having read through this (very long!) thread.

As for the title - I think it is very clear that the Man of Science refers to Jack and the Man of Faith to Locke - If you'll remember, Locke even says something about his being a man of faith. This is a Jack-centric episode and I think that particularly the later events, where Locke argues with Jack about entering the hatch, are meant to contrast their two personalities.

Desmond's name... Now, I don't pretend to be a French scholar, I only know Spanish really, but I seem to remember that there is a phrase in French that is something like "des monde" which means "of the world". This makes total sense, as it seems Desmond is truly "of the world" when he talks about his race around the world.

Now for the crazy theory - bear with me -
1. Desmond came from the island... was born there (possibly of Adam and Eve) and then left to join the real world. (I'm not sure how I feel about this as the beginning of my theory, but it's a possibility anyway. This part is not necessary for the rest of the theory though, it just gives it a good set-up.)
2. For some reason, Desmond wants to get a particular group of people together on this island (I like the longitude/latitude theory that was posted... the numbers giving the location of the island), perhaps to create some sort of new civilization. We have no idea what's going on on the outside world right now... it seems like no one is looking for these survivors. Could it be that everyone in the outside world has died EXCEPT the people on the island? Desmond has brought them there either to create a master race, or as sort of a twisted Noah's Ark.
3. I think it's likely that Desmond has crossed the paths of everyone on the plane, and somehow influenced their lives/their paths to the plane. He could have gotten Hurley in contact with the numbers, or talked to the psychic who saw Claire. Since Jack is the only one who we've seen that has a flashback with Desmond, and we haven't really had time to see Locke's relationship with Desmond, they could ALL have known him from their past lives. Desmond made a race around the world to coordinate all of his people getting on the plane, then went back to the island and made sure that the plane would crash (perhaps by using the huge magnet he has to disrupt some electronics in the plane or something. this could explain the other plane crashings too).

Wow this was really long. Still thinking about everything though :-) any more thoughts?

[LJ Squared]

You've got a point about Jack=science Locke=Faith

And I just checked the blue jumpsuit you see the guy put on at the start looks like the same thing Desmond is wearing at the end although you dont get a clear look.

This brings me back to the Twin theory but I still think the fact that the hatch was left unguarded for a period of time has some significance.

[Mahub]

"Also: the numbers that Hurley supposedly heard from some guy in an institution... that was obviously somebody connected to the island... could that have been Desmond in the institution?"

No, it cant. Because that guy is dead, for one. Secondly, he has a wife in Australia that looked considerably older than Desmond.

[LJ Squared]

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't we see the guy in the institution and didn't he get the number from the guy in Kalgoorlie so it passed through two people before it got to Hurley.

And by the way that woman had probably the worst Australian accent I've ever heard in Film or TV. Sorry that really pissed me of at the time

[Lost__Jedimaster]

There is something Desmond says to Jack in the stadium that really stuck out to me. He tells Jack, "I was almost a doctor at one time." Now, I think this is a big clue as to who Desmond is and why he is on the island.

[LadyDragonfly]

There is something Desmond says to Jack in the stadium that really stuck out to me. He tells Jack, "I was almost a doctor at one time." Now, I think this is a big clue as to who Desmond is and why he is on the island.

GREAT catch!

Since we don't know the exact timing of when Desmond met Jack for the first time, Could the "race around the world" comment be in reference to Desmond trying to travel around the world setting up the necessary steps to bring these different people together, and then getting on the island before them?

Also: the numbers that Hurley supposedly heard from some guy in an institution... that was obviously somebody connected to the island... could that have been Desmond in the institution?

Maybe not, but what I like about this is that it could mean that the person who told Hurley is connected to Desmond.

_____________________

After reading through everyones thoughts since my page 9 post, I still think that Desmond is not connected to the Others, Ethan included. The quarantine is on the INSIDE of the door meaning the island is the quaranteened zone. If that is true, Desmond would likely have a bunkmate to help him protect the door. As for the biodome, that is because someone knows this island is cursed/has issues and they built the undergound biodome as a center to keep tabs on the place. Desmond might be a military guy and the injections make him more physically able to fight off the Others or make him immune to their ways - or might even make him SEE them since they don't seem to easy to see. He and Jack meeting was FATE and not some plan - this show has alot of themes that deal with a persons fate. I think that this show is as popular as it is because we all see fate around us every day and it's even better to see it all interlaced into a fantastic show.

My 2 cents :)

[theothers]

i totally dont think that ethan and des are in any way connected. first of all desmond was in that quarantined hatch with food and all these cool gadgets and guns. ethan was always hunting for food and fighting with his hands. why would he have to do that if he had guns? he wouldnt have to hang charlie, he couldve simply shot him. :rolleyes:

could desmond been put on the island? like the "adam and eve" skeletons. in the bible it says that adam and eve were banished from the garden of eden. the garden was then protected by an angel waving a sword. could des be like the angel protecting the island with that big security system thing? just one of my theories....and what did he do with kate?! :eek:

[lost/wwe fan]

I think that Desmond will become a good guy when he realizes Jack is the one he is talking too.

I think that those were Kate's shoes. I remember looking right at the shoes when she was going down the hatch. Both pairs looked exactly the same. I don't know why they're for though.

[Carrie123]

Maybe Desmond thinks the 'sickness' is soil-borne

[00scotty]

Rational explaination time (i hope):

Desmond was in a 'round the world in 80 days event (running around the world). Plane crashes, boat whatever and lands on island. He explores the hatch is open, closes it behind him climbs down, ladder rungs break, he is stuck.

There are books down there (by the bed) and he gets an idea what's going on and to just survive and stay "sane" he exercises, injects himself to avoid getting sick and paints because he is bored.

The magnet, explains the malfunctioning plane and crash, which went off accidentally when he forgot to reset the computer with the numbers. The "pulse" (arrow into the sun in the mural) shoots upin the sky like the light we've seen on occasion.

Can't explain how they met in the past but would rationalize the timeline.

I don't think he knows anything otherwise he could answer all the questions about the monster, others etc and the show would be over except for getting off the island

[Spigot]

Something I just noticed. In the opening scene when Desmond goes to collect the dishes off the table theres a game on it (backgammon??). Some of the peices are still on the board, as if people were playing it..... Would Desmond be playing alone???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Anyone mention this already?

[Carrie123]

He might have contact with the outside world and is playing 'virtually'. What bothers me most is what the point of all the computers is? They are obviously recording data (presumably about the Island) so what does it mean? Why does the hatch need to be so heavily defended and why was it hidden in the first place?

[lost_not2b_found]

I am curious why Des refers to Jack as Brother. Could he truly be his Brother, maybe thats why he was almost a doctor.

Or could it be more like a brotherhood thing, like they are both members of some cult and he recognized his tats while he was running. Did Des have any tats in the showwer scene?

[Turd Ferguson]

Something I just noticed. In the opening scene when Desmond goes to collect the dishes off the table theres a game on it (backgammon??). Some of the peices are still on the board, as if people were playing it..... Would Desmond be playing alone???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Anyone mention this already?

Are we absolutely sure that the one we see in the opening sequence looking through the telescope is Desmond? If you ask me, their jaws looked a little different.

[ThePolarBear]

Are we absolutely sure that the one we see in the opening sequence looking through the telescope is Desmond? If you ask me, their jaws looked a little different.

I thought it seemed like two different people. I think the man from the beginning is someone else. He was clean shaven, but Desmond had stubble.

PS and slightly OT: I love your name and the icon!

[MissJenniPenni]

Also, when Desmond says to Jack at the stadium "you have to lift it up" dont you think he watched Jacks face VERY intently? Its like he was expecting some sort of recognition. so when Jack looked blank, he acted like he meant his foot. that leads on to the "see you in another life" He KNEW he would meet Jack again. I wonder why he expected some sort of reaction from Jack though?

[charodei]

New to the forum, but I noticed that nobody has yet mentioned Desmond's weaponry. While I won’t begin to postulate on WHY he has them, it seems that he has a nice collection of Russian/Soviet/Warsaw Pact hardware. For starters there's the AK-47. This weapon is ulta-common, and alone wouldn't really be significant at all. However the pistol that he places against Locke and fires/points at Jack is a Makarov. A military issue sidearm used by most of the communist bloc countries.

The shot that really tells me he has SOME connection to one of these combloc countries is a few frames (I love having HD and a DVR) showing his gun case as he makes his way down to the AK47. There are a few frames that show pistols. There are two silver Tokarevs. Those are also soviet/combloc and are rare outside those lands. There is one frame in particular that really clearly shows the star on the grips. This gun would certainly NOT be included randomly.

I'll leave it to everyone else to wonder why.

Thanks for listening.

[BelleOfTheBall]

the thing about him saying "brother"...I just thought that was part of where he was from. Kind of like Hurley says, "Dude" all the time. I don't think it's that significant.

the gun thing is interesting, although couldn't anyone really get any type of gun if they really want to? if they were really really intent on it? But then again, if hes been stuck on an island for so long, he wouldn't really have time to do that. Hmmm...maybe it does have significance. But, he's def. from Australia, cuz of his accent. So he's not from Russia or whatever.

And I knew that the guy that looked through the telescope was different! Does anyone have the screen cap of that?

[A05]

what time did desmond wake up? or was the whole scene him waking up in the morning until night when they blew the hatch door. To me it looked like from the minute he woke up to when the hatch blew, roughly 30-40 mins passed. If so why is he getting up at that time and working out, having a shower, eating ect....... has he lost track of time?

[Leper]

Where the magnate was located it was pretty messed up, sort of like a fire or explosion took place. Electromagnetism is pretty toxic, and the field of electromagnets is pretty awsome if you look up HAARP, and SCALAR technology especially the SCALAR HOWITZER....... I'm thinking along these lines of sci. fi. which are borderline real fi.

[ericcoaster]

Tell you the truth, I didn't have any idea who the guy in the hatch was until Jack recognized him (how? i have no idea). He looked crazy too, and it reminds me of the french chic saying how her crew went crazy and she had to kill them. I think that's something we're gonna have to wait until wednseday for, too hard to speculate.

[Darcy]

I am a complete newbie, so please be gentle with me if I end up somewhere other than I ought.

Des's pad seemed rather clean and tidy at the beginning of the show, and pretty gross at the end. Like, a lot more time than minutes had passed.

Didn't he put what looked like fresh eggs in the blender? I don't recall any visible fowl, ever.

The shot in the arm he gave himself...Yes, the numbers on the bottle were THOSE numbers. And, the shot was courtesy of a very retro looking contraption, designed for innoculation. So, if THE numbers were on the hatch, and on the medicine bottle, perhaps he vaccinated himself against a known virus?

My gut feeling is that the hatch guy at the beginning is not the same guy (Des) at the end. If it is him, then the early part of the show was a flashback.

For one thing, the early guy is kind of husky - beefy, but we know Des is a runner, and I don't know too many beefy runners.

And, let's not forget, we see that he showers at the beginning, yet when Locke's being held at gunpoint, his captor's fingernails are positively grimey.

Just some things over which I'm puzzling. Any comments (remember, NEWBIE, somewhat clueless) are welcome.

Darcy

[LOSTFOREVER]

dont no if this has been posted but maybe desmond has a twin and the opening sequence is showing both of them its pretty possible i think,that might explain the two breakfasts the bunkbeds and the game on the table.

[ericcoaster]

and that's why people support the genetic mirror theory, but I have a feeling it's the same guy who's been affected in some way by the numbers or whatever is causing the quarantining.

[Scoobing]

I wonder why the computer needed the numbers to be input at that time? If it was transmitting or using them to control some power source (may explain the weird magnitism), why would it need to be typed in all the time. All it did was beep too, and then Desmond input the numbers, and hit "Execute", not Enter, which reminds me of the military.

[Shomperlen]

I thought it was interesting that Desmond said "See you in another life" when he left Jack on the steps.

[BigB]

dont no if this has been posted but maybe desmond has a twin and the opening sequence is showing both of them its pretty possible i think,that might explain the two breakfasts the bunkbeds and the game on the table.

Something I just noticed while watching the premiere again. For sure Desmond doesn't live alone. There are actually two living quarters for two different people.

When Desmond gets up in the morning he turns on the radio where there is chair with a pingpong paddle on it and a lava lamp to the left of the shelf. (Living quarters number 1). Later on when he is giving himself the shot and the explosion occurs there is a shot of the other living quarters (number 2). Everything is reversed!!!

Why would someone have two chairs, two reading lamps, and two identical radios and records if they were living alone!

[Scoobing]

It may have just been a continuity error by the crew.

[BigB]

It may have just been a continuity error by the crew.

If you see the scenes there is no possible way this could be a continuity error. It is a totally different setup. Everything is opposite. Maybe the crew took down the record player, records, and the equipment on the shelf and reversed it all. Then changed the position of the chair, lamp and table. The point is that I don't think that continuity is the problem. The creators are very careful of what we see. They know that everything will be examined again and again.

Check out the pics from the first post in this thread. Pics three and four hold the truth.

[Scoobing]

Hmm yes it does look that way. I wonder why it's exactly mirrored though. If they wanted to make it look like a different room or like some time had passed, then you would think that they would move the objects but not exactly mirror them. Perhaps a clue to a possible cloning theory?

[lol157]

All they would need to do is flip the film to make it reversed...but would this make it accidental, probably not.

[mipac]

i think its fair safe to say that the dude at the beginning is NOT the dude at the end

[Scoobing]

I dunno, with a show like this, you can never say something with certainty. :)

It's definately a possibility though...

[Burned_Alive]

I posted the reversed room thing here earlier:

http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14471

[Scoobing]

It's certainly possible that we see one person going through a routine, and then switch to another when we hear the bang of the hatch being blown.

[mipac]

yeah theres probly heaps of people down there who are like twins or something thats why you can hear the whispers in the forest, its the people talking and there voices travelling through the ventillation

[Burned_Alive]

Ive just reviewed a few episodes and presuming that Kate still has the same boots that she stole off the body in the first ep and that locke hasnt found some other shoes/boots than his own, the boots in the bunker do not belong to Kate or Locke.

[Scoobing]

Well Desmond must have shoes to go shopping in. ;)

[Burned_Alive]

Scratch that, they are definitely Locke's boots after looking further.

Can be seen at 19:18 in episode 4 "Walkabout"

[LadyDragonfly]

It's certainly possible that we see one person going through a routine, and then switch to another when we hear the bang of the hatch being blown.

Or maybe all the mirrors are some parrallel to "Through the Looking Glass", Imean they DID fall down a "hole" and now they are dealing with a mad hatter.

[kkina]

New to the forum, but I noticed that nobody has yet mentioned Desmond's weaponry. .

Good eye Charodei. I noticed all the Soviet weapons too, but didn't know what to make of it. I don't think it's accidental. The producers seem at least somewhat gun-savvy. Sawyer mentions the Sig 9mm's, for example, by name. Well, on the other hand he also brings down a dang polar bear with a 9mm. I guess it COULD happen.

[lostophile]

I definitely think there are (or were) two people living down there. Aside from the actual stuff in the room, Desmond seems way too organized and precise to leave dishes with food or drink in them "overnight". Notice that he takes them off the table and washes them before he begins his routine. If it were me, I would just wash all the dishes together after drinking that shake. Either there are two different people, or two Desmonds. Not sure!

[mipac]

Scratch that, they are definitely Locke's boots after looking further.

Can be seen at 19:18 in episode 4 "Walkabout"

cool nice research

[lost/wwe fan]

Did it seem like Desmond came out of nowhere in Jack's flashback. It was like he was inplanted into the flashback. Maybe everyone has made up flashbacks created by the island or something else. And they can mess with them anytime they want.

[ericcoaster]

hold on...if parts of the hatch looked reversed, is it possible we were viewing it through a one of the mirrors?

[lost/wwe fan]

I think it's the same room but we're looking at it from a different perspecitive or through a substance or something.

[ericcoaster]

correct me if i'm wrong, but if you look at the these two pics (from first page of this thread) the two rooms are NOT the same. Look at the orientation of the lamp, and even the reel-to-reel tape player. They are in totally different positions and placements:

http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis6cx.png
http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis24ef.png

Now it could be an oversight/mistake of the set-people or director during shooting, or it could be a different BUT similar room. Note* i thought it could be an "inverse" image (happens when a negative is flipped over) but even then the orientation of the objects (check angle of the lampbase in the 2 pics) is not the same.

Maybe no big deal, but since everyone is so specific abou the details, i thought it would be worth mentioning.

(sorry i couldnt figure out how to shrink the size of the pics so that i could attach them).

ok scratch my mirror theory, they are all separate rooms with the same props...I don't think the decorations department expected us to be so observant. I was trying to find the pics of the 2 bike excersizer thingys in totally different spots, but the ones honestjoe posted clearly show a different room with some of the same decorations, like the lamp. So I conclude that objects showing up in more than one place isn't that important. :)

[buzmeg]

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/862/tabletennis6cx.th.png (http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabletennis6cx.png)

Next to the shelves where the turntable and the LPs are located there is a "lava lamp"

For the younger generation, here is the scoop on the Lava Lamp:

Lava lamp inventor dies in London
Lava lamp inventor Edward Craven Walker spent a decade perfecting his product, which he launched in 1963

August 21, 2000
Web posted at: 1:54 PM EDT (1754 GMT)

LONDON (CNN) -- Inventor Edward Craven Walker once said, "If you buy my lamp, you won't need drugs."

Walker, who died Tuesday of cancer at age 82, was talking about that blob-filled symbol of psychedelia, the lava lamp.

Inspired by another kind of "blob light" that mixed oil and water, Walker decided the lamp would be more interesting if the oil were thick enough to form sculptural shapes. He spent a decade developing his "Astro lamp" before he began manufacturing it in 1963 from a factory in southern England.

By the 1970s, the lamp had become must-have furniture for the funky fashion-conscious. But the lamps' success faded in the 1980s, and Walker sold the rights to Mathmos, one of Britain's fastest-growing firms.

Walker, who flew reconnaissance missions for the Royal Air Force in World War II, also developed an interest in nudism and owned a nudist resort on the south coast of England.

But the Singapore native will be best remembered for his lava lamp, which he believed had staying power.

"I think it will always be popular," he said. "It's like the cycle of life. It grows, breaks up, falls down, and then starts all over again."

[galligirl]

Maybe they work in shifts?? The morning guy cleans up for the night guy who is off doing something...........?

Also, JJ used the Alice in Wonderland parallels in Alias, so I don't think he would use that again......

I definitely think there are (or were) two people living down there. Aside from the actual stuff in the room, Desmond seems way too organized and precise to leave dishes with food or drink in them "overnight". Notice that he takes them off the table and washes them before he begins his routine. If it were me, I would just wash all the dishes together after drinking that shake. Either there are two different people, or two Desmonds. Not sure!

[shred]

Maybe they work in shifts?? The morning guy cleans up for the night guy who is off doing something...........?

I'm leaning toward this explanation. Desmond leaped out of bed and did his morning routine--like he needed to get going so the other guy could sleep?

[gzee]

I wonder why the computer needed the numbers to be input at that time? If it was transmitting or using them to control some power source (may explain the weird magnitism), why would it need to be typed in all the time. All it did was beep too, and then Desmond input the numbers, and hit "Execute", not Enter, which reminds me of the military.

Not only military lingo, but "execute" can mean "kill."

[brb8y215]

does anyone think that the plane that killed boone was the plane desmond (and/or ethan) flew in on considering it was a small plane? Just a thought.....

[ThePolarBear]

What's on Desmond's shirt when Jack first meets him in the stadium. I can't really tell. It looks maybe like a pheonix.http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=395

[Cin]

About the logo on his shirt, doesn't it look like this in a way?:

http://www.jhom.com/topics/birds/double_eagle.html

In both general and Jewish folkart the eagle often appears as symbolic of the divine powers of deliverance and watchful protection…

In many civilizations, the dualism represented by the eagle's two-headedness stood for the spiritual ambivalence which strikes a balance between good and evil.

[darth_coolius]

The second bunk belongs to Ethan. He and Desmond are actually opposing the Others, and Ethan wanted to inject Claire's baby with a vaccine or take it away to protect it.

[honestjoe]

the first episode of season two, opens with this shot:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=0

Thats the guy in the hatch. He wakes up with a sickly looking eye. But check out Desmond at the end:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=602

No redness under the eyes. NOt even the same eye color (but thats debateable due to the lighting in the two pics). But DEFINITELY no redness under the EYES. In my opinion they are not the same guy. I dont think the guy in the hatch ever goes outside, definitely not through the opening that Jack & Co. blew up. He is fully self sustained down there, and does not want to risk (further) EXPOSURE to the outside. I think Desmond got down there once the hatch been opened by JACK + CO. Thats why his eyes are fine, but his hands are dirty and grimey. But when he got down there he didnt know what to expect either. What's strange is this, near the end of the episode Jack has a gun pointed at Locke, rite? At that moment he (jack) does NOT trust Locke and wants to know where Kate is so he is actually pointing the gun at LOCKE. But why would Desmond choose to point his gun at Locke (instead of at Jack)? Why would he assume that Jack would care about Locke, if he (jack) is ALREADY pointing a GUN at Locke? Why didnt Desmond ever point the gun at Jack? And doesnt Desmond seem French? He may be connected to Danielle somehow (her husband possibly?). The guy in the hatch has been infected (hence the red eyes) but he has had the vaccine and so he has been fine, so long as no one brought the disease in. Desmond probably lives above the surface BUT has been aware of the group and the hatch. When he saw the opportunity to go in the hatch, he took it. The hatch guy is the guy with the red eye, and is someone we have yet to meet. By the way didnt anyone pay attention to the amount of weights that were in the early shots of the episode?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=10

The dumbells for curls (whoever) is using were pretty big. I dont think Desmond's arms were that built. Plus the guy we were shown didnt actually do any weight lifting, it was all cardio. Situps and bike (jogger?). Hmm. I change my mind, maybe Desmond is the guy. Maybe his eyes were RED because they always are when he wakes up, and it goes away once his daily vaccine kicks in. Hmm. But that definitely means there is another, bigger guy there (who DOES lift weights). There is a pic of the table (first page of this thread) the one where there is a backgammon board and a cup with orange liquid, and a bowl , all positioned (left side) closer to the viewer. In the distance though, there is a coffee cup with the handle pointed towards the opposite seat (right side). Just another clue that there are two people. But is it Desmond? I thought i knew...

[Noetic]

I think that the clips they are showing in the beginnng like when he is taking a shower,training and makes food, is from when he lived there with Ethan. Because there was 2beds and 4 white unfiroms 2 for each person. And another thing is when he hear the boom he wear this white unfirom and in th end of the episode when he meet jack he wear a green unfiform and he´s hear,nails and face is all dirty. So i dont think the day he heard the boom is the same day/month as when he met jack
I agree - there is no way that the scenes at the start, with the hab module clean & tidy, are in the same time as those at the end, where it is all dirty and dark.

Is it possible that the boom we see/hear is when Locke tries to get into the hatch, after building the ram thingy with Charley? Or even much further in the past, like when the Others first arrived?

Also, as my other half remarked, "Quarantine" originates from French for "40 days" - isn't that how long the survivors have been on the island?

[Carrie123]

Desomd might be Australian - but he has a fairly poor Scottish accent in what I've heard so far

[J-Abrams]

the first episode of season two, opens with this shot:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=0

Thats the guy in the hatch. He wakes up with a sickly looking eye. But check out Desmond at the end:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=602

No redness under the eyes. NOt even the same eye color (but thats debateable due to the lighting in the two pics). But DEFINITELY no redness under the EYES. In my opinion they are not the same guy. I dont think the guy in the hatch ever goes outside, definitely not through the opening that Jack & Co. blew up. He is fully self sustained down there, and does not want to risk (further) EXPOSURE to the outside. I think Desmond got down there once the hatch been opened by JACK + CO. Thats why his eyes are fine, but his hands are dirty and grimey. But when he got down there he didnt know what to expect either. What's strange is this, near the end of the episode Jack has a gun pointed at Locke, rite? At that moment he (jack) does NOT trust Locke and wants to know where Kate is so he is actually pointing the gun at LOCKE. But why would Desmond choose to point his gun at Locke (instead of at Jack)? Why would he assume that Jack would care about Locke, if he (jack) is ALREADY pointing a GUN at Locke? Why didnt Desmond ever point the gun at Jack? And doesnt Desmond seem French? He may be connected to Danielle somehow (her husband possibly?). The guy in the hatch has been infected (hence the red eyes) but he has had the vaccine and so he has been fine, so long as no one brought the disease in. Desmond probably lives above the surface BUT has been aware of the group and the hatch. When he saw the opportunity to go in the hatch, he took it. The hatch guy is the guy with the red eye, and is someone we have yet to meet. By the way didnt anyone pay attention to the amount of weights that were in the early shots of the episode?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=10

The dumbells for curls (whoever) is using were pretty big. I dont think Desmond's arms were that built. Plus the guy we were shown didnt actually do any weight lifting, it was all cardio. Situps and bike (jogger?). Hmm. I change my mind, maybe Desmond is the guy. Maybe his eyes were RED because they always are when he wakes up, and it goes away once his daily vaccine kicks in. Hmm. But that definitely means there is another, bigger guy there (who DOES lift weights). There is a pic of the table (first page of this thread) the one where there is a backgammon board and a cup with orange liquid, and a bowl , all positioned (left side) closer to the viewer. In the distance though, there is a coffee cup with the handle pointed towards the opposite seat (right side). Just another clue that there are two people. But is it Desmond? I thought i knew...

im starting to agree with you..I like this explanation about the eyes, that is strange.. I dont think that Desmond is by himself down there, im pretty sure that he has help with whatever he's doing in the hatch..

[Vegeta]

Also, on the third pic you posted. See the shoes? Do they look to you to be the same shoes left outside the doorway?

[Noetic]

Also: the numbers that Hurley supposedly heard from some guy in an institution... that was obviously somebody connected to the island... could that have been Desmond in the institution?
Nope - the guy at the institution heard the words from the radio transmitter, this is stated clearly in the Hurley episode where we learn how he got the numbers.

[kate-is-great]

As I read through all these posts, i thought the same things.

Two bunks, both with personal effects (books, etc), if you were alone wouldn;t you sleep on the bottom bunk? I know I would. Why climb into the top one and sleep?

Two ping pong paddles, one on couch, one on table. The table is folded for one person, but it could be to save space.

On the table were remnants of someones breakfast, OJ and scrambled eggs(?) and magazine on one side and a notpad with pencil on the other.

When the man woke up his eye was green, it looks like Desmond might have brown eyes.

The ultimate question would be where did he get all the post 70's stuff? The computer equipment looked to be ancient, but check out all the background stuff and kitchen equipment.

He washes his dishes with a flip top container of dish detergent (1990's)
Flourescent light on wall and ceiling have rounded molded plastic covers (mid 80 - 90?)
Plastic laundry detergent and softener containers above washer and dryer (Mid 80- 90?)
The ultra modern front load washer and dryer (I'm pretty sure that particular style only came out a few years ago)
Rocker type light switches (on wall, visible when man is riding exercise bike)
Chrome and black trash can with step on opening
Blender with black base (until 1990 most blenders were beige, although in the 70's I think you could get Havest Gold or whatever color that crappy green was)

Med Vials are barcoded (that may have started late 80's?)

[solost4u]

I hate to put a damper on things because I love the show, however, how can Jack have a clue who Desmond is. We have all met people for 10 minutes and no way remember them. Plus he met him in a darkened stadium, years and years ago. Maybe it is just me, but that is stretching it. Oh and BTW, I did say in last years posts that the hatch was like a sunken submarine and was living quarters, and I was blasted. Nice to have vindication :)

[kate-is-great]

Oh and BTW, I did say in last years posts that the hatch was like a sunken submarine and was living quarters, and I was blasted. Nice to have vindication :)

I posted the same thing last year too. Great minds think alike!!!

[Mr. E]

I hate to put a damper on things because I love the show, however, how can Jack have a clue who Desmond is. We have all met people for 10 minutes and no way remember them. Plus he met him in a darkened stadium, years and years ago. Maybe it is just me, but that is stretching it. Oh and BTW, I did say in last years posts that the hatch was like a sunken submarine and was living quarters, and I was blasted. Nice to have vindication :)

I think he would remember him because of the whole miracle talk. After Sarah's miracle recovery immediately after, I'm sure he must have thought many times about Desmond or atleast that conversation they had.

[J-Abrams]

yes i believe we will be seeing more of Desmond in some Flashbacks...

[Noetic]

I hate to put a damper on things because I love the show, however, how can Jack have a clue who Desmond is. We have all met people for 10 minutes and no way remember them. Plus he met him in a darkened stadium, years and years ago.
Well, Desmond's encounter with Jack was related to a very significant event in Jack's life, i.e. a risky operation he performed on the woman who later became his wife [but the relationship seems to be over now - quite possibly being stranded on the island brought back all those memories for Jack]. Plus he acted like some mysterious creepy psychic, you're bound to remember someone like that!

Also - we do not yet know how or why Jack's marriage ended. Perhaps Desmond had more involvement in Jack's life at a later stage?

Also, when Desmond says to Jack at the stadium "you have to lift it up" dont you think he watched Jacks face VERY intently? Its like he was expecting some sort of recognition. so when Jack looked blank, he acted like he meant his foot. that leads on to the "see you in another life" He KNEW he would meet Jack again. I wonder why he expected some sort of reaction from Jack though?
He wanted to make sure that Jack had not already been to the island? As I said yesterday, I am convinced that when Desmond sees Jack, he has recently LEFT the island. He seems to look almost the same as when they first met, whereas Jack has aged a fair bit.

Hmm yes it does look that way. I wonder why it's exactly mirrored though. If they wanted to make it look like a different room or like some time had passed, then you would think that they would move the objects but not exactly mirror them. Perhaps a clue to a possible cloning theory?
I think perhaps it means that there's more than one person livign in shelters like this one? Or perhaps part of it, where it's still pristine, is from when he first went to live there, the mirror image representing the flashback nature of the scene?

[GentleMocchi]

I hate to put a damper on things because I love the show, however, how can Jack have a clue who Desmond is. We have all met people for 10 minutes and no way remember them. Plus he met him in a darkened stadium, years and years ago. Maybe it is just me, but that is stretching it. Oh and BTW, I did say in last years posts that the hatch was like a sunken submarine and was living quarters, and I was blasted. Nice to have vindication :)

I think Jack recognized Desmond's "brother". :D

[thefonz]

why should it be the same person?

i love the ideo of the mirror-image thing; so why isnt it simply the Desmond who Jack met in the stadium is the mirror image of the one in the hatch.

therefore, by that logic; everyone in the world has a mirror image on the island or one of three islands.

therefore the plane crash was not on purpose; merely an accident and so they have 'stumbled' onto the island of clones/mirror images.

...

[MissJenniPenni]

He wanted to make sure that Jack had not already been to the island? As I said yesterday, I am convinced that when Desmond sees Jack, he has recently LEFT the island. He seems to look almost the same as when they first met, whereas Jack has aged a fair bit.

Id agree with that. They went to a lot of trouble to make Jack seem younger (and it worked!) yet Desmonds hair seemed the same length & everything.

He was definately looking for a reaction or recognition of some sort from Jack.

[Noetic]

Id agree with that. They went to a lot of trouble to make Jack seem younger (and it worked!) yet Desmonds hair seemed the same length & everything.

He was definately looking for a reaction or recognition of some sort from Jack.
Good point about them making a lot of effort to make Jack younger (mullet and all) so it isn't a coincidence that Desmond still looks the same.

The clues about how "nobody on the island ever left" are still true - they haven't left yet, and strictly speaking, Desmond is not on the island but under it.

[J-Abrams]

ok this is just something i came by, not sure if its been posted.. but i found this to be a bit strange.. kinda like when the terminator appears in the movie, how the lighting comes.. lol

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7560/s294th.gif

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4641/losthdtvlolvtvavi432726my.jpg

but its probably nothing..

[OHannigan]

Okay I hate to go there, but what if we take "world race" in a different light say like Nazi's Arian race. That got me thinking in a completely different direction! If the injections produce some kind of strength boost that could explain why Desmond took it up a couple notches when he was running at the stadium, why Ethan lifted Charlie (was that who it was, I remembered he beat the crap out of Jack too), and possibly why Locke can walk now. That also makes me wonder about why Danielle was so quick to steal Claire's baby.

[Noetic]

Okay I hate to go there, but what if we take "world race" in a different light say like Nazi's Arian race.
Didn't he say "race around the world" rather than "world race"? ;)

[OHannigan]

Didn't he say "race around the world" rather than "world race"? ;)
Yeah I think you're right, I just saw how someone else typed it. It still kinda works, but I'm pretty sure that would take the show in a really weird direction.

[lost/wwe fan]

I hate to put a damper on things because I love the show, however, how can Jack have a clue who Desmond is. We have all met people for 10 minutes and no way remember them. Plus he met him in a darkened stadium, years and years ago. Maybe it is just me, but that is stretching it. Oh and BTW, I did say in last years posts that the hatch was like a sunken submarine and was living quarters, and I was blasted. Nice to have vindication :)

Maybe we will see Desmond again in another jack flashback. I only saw Jack talk to him once. They could have talked again after that. But I think that it looked like Desmond came out of nowhere. Like he was inplanted into Jack's memory. That got me thinking that everyone could have inplanted memories that aren't real.

[ShadowsofGotham]

ok this is just something i came by, not sure if its been posted.. but i found this to be a bit strange.. kinda like when the terminator appears in the movie, how the lighting comes.. lol

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7560/s294th.gif

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4641/losthdtvlolvtvavi432726my.jpg

but its probably nothing..

I was the episode again last night and I caught that too. I didn't post anything about it but I am glad someone did. I am not sure what it can be. I have never seen a light like that before in the stadium. It was rather strange. It appeared and disappeared.

[Milesy]

firstly that accent was awfull... was it irish was it scottish lol.
im scottish and i definately heard scottish artefacts coming through
plsu the fact they dont say "aye" in southern ireland afaik. only in the north.
and what i heard irishwish sounded more southern than nothern..

just sounds like a bad american effort.. its like it was said before that
many americans can actually not even tell the difference between a
scots man and an irish man. probably much like i could not tell the difference
between the accents of two american states -sounds the same to me.

the graffiti did not look child like to me... it looked a lot more proper grafiti
artist to me.

and thats definate an anti-virus imho.. he is in the clean area and the
island is the quarantine area. which i suppose once i read the quantine
thread i will speak about it in there.

also the music... Cass Elliot - Make Your Own Kind of Music which came
out in 1969 which fits with the ancient computer technology.

[lost/wwe fan]

I think the lighting in the stadium could just be a mistake by the producers but it would be cool if it turned out to be something of importance.

[ilsa lund]

One of www.ew.com blogs for today:

No one's in Desmond's Hatch... except Mama Cass?!

The season premiere of Lost introduced us to Desmond, a mysterious new character who lives in the Hatch and apparently has a thing for self-injection, protein shakes, and... Mama Cass Elliot?!

We're guessing it was no accident that creator J.J. Abrams chose the inspirational lyrics of Elliot's "Make Your Own Kind of Music" for the scene that introduces us to the Hatch and its occupant, but what does it all mean? Just like everything else on this complicated series, IT.MUST.MEAN.SOMETHING.

So... listen to the song (courtesy Music for Robots), read the lyrics, and get back to us. You're our only hope, Obi-Wan!

(P.S. Don't EVEN get us started about that Walt played backward thing -- eerie...)

Emily Zemler | 09.23.05, 05:59 PM
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[colilon]

Well, hey.
This is my first post, so i haven't got time to explore this thread...

Anyway (in a hope it is the first time ya'll here this),
on the first time Desmond meets Jack he says:"Meet you in the next world."

Well, what if the theory of the "next world" island was true,
Do you think Desmond had it all planed?

Again, sorry if i have repeated,
Yair.

[shred]

Why does Desmond have a picture of Joshua Tree National Park in California hanging on his wall? (If you've been there, you recognize the place, right?)