Genetic Twin Theories/Clones

[darth_coolius]

Has anyone posted this yet? It was posted on the ABC forum:

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.


4 8 15 16 23 42


Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory. Thats where I got it from.

[shred]

Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen.


This is seriously creepy.

[darth_coolius]

here's some more:

Doppleganger
Category: Human Enigmas


A double, an identical replica of a person. The idea behind this is that everyone has a Doppleganger, an identical copy of themselves somewhere in the world. If the person is good, then the Doppleganger will be evil and vice versa. It is even said that if the two should meet, then they will both perish.

Although there is no evidence that Dopplegangers exist, some people have actually reported claims of witnessing what they believe to be their Doppleganger. In all likelihood however, Dopplegangers are an aspect of myth only.


Also:
German for "doublewalker", a doppleganger is a mythological creature or concept. As legend has it, everyone has a doppleganger, which is forged from the real counterpart's own will and soul. No one can see it unless it chooses to appear. It will manifest itself before its real counterpart first, and announce its intentions. The ideal time for a doppleganger to appear is during the new moon, when the real counterpart does not cast a shadow.
Provided the real counterpart is inherently good, the doppleganger will attempt to provide helpful assistance to the real counterpart. Dopplegangers can be mischievous however, and rarely ever get good deeds right. Benevolent dopplegangers can impart advice to their counterpart, or they can subtly affect their counterpart's actions and thoughts. In fact, theoretically when one chooses to listen to one's conscience, they may be dealing with their doppleganger, unrealized and trapped within the shadow. If the deep center of the real counterpart's soul is malevolent in any way, the worst qualities of the real counterpart will be used to create the doppleganger. The results can be disastrous.

This could explain some of the black and white symbology. One twin is good, the other evil...

[*~*CelticBreeze*~*]

Whoa man, that is some fascinating stuff. Very good theory. One of the few I am willing to get behind.

[BOONE182]

they even said twins are important ! crazy !

[gonfreaks]

Very, very interesting. I like this theory.

[IamLOST922]

That sounds amazing. If that theory is indeed true, I'm betting that you are onto something. Only thing is, why would it take so long for someone to mention this when the numbers were given months ago?

[hobbit]

On the "if the two meet, then they both will perish" bit...

Anybody remember what the voice on the other end of the radio sounded like when Boone was in the drug plane? It didn't sound like him, did it?

[Kazen]

AS i said in another post
IT MOST BE TRUE!
"Jack chrashers into the muddy earth -- scrambling to turn himself around -- to throw a punch, a kick -- anything to get out from under his *something* --

-- until his eyes focus on the face staring back at his.

HIS OWN."

That sentence is hidden on http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ site... (klick barcode and the code is theislandiswaiting

So there are twins there, and Quarantine is the God for cracking the meaning!

[Kazen]

Read the first page and there is a theory on it...


And was thinking of Desmond in hatch twin? two of "the others" are twins.

[thomasmarc]

Can anyone say "Blair Witch Project"? I hated the movie - some loved it, but the reason it got so much publicity and everyone ran to see it was the BRILLIANT pre-release Internet Marketing. So it's entirely likely that the theory posted at the beginning of this thread and the "ficticitous" person whose "fictictious" writings it's based on are all created by show's writers - possibly because they created it as a basis for what they are writing or perhaps just as something to throw us off. Either way, just because the guy doesn't really exist and someone made him up doesn't necessarily mean the theory has nothing to do with the show.

If this show is to continue to be successful and not end up being extremely disappointing, then the producers and writers had to start with a huge backstory completely written even before laying down the first episodes. When shows try to make it up as they go along, there always ends up being giant loop holes that make the end of the show extremely disappointing. Hopefully Lost won't be that way. And hopefully they'll end it while it's still good and not after they've dragged it out for years and it's started to suck!

[Demonolith]

I remember hearing somewhere about a clone theory. What if the others created a clone of Michael and sent him to infiltrate the Losties?

[you think?]

I think that Michael was changed somewhat and is now part of the others:shock: The others let him escape so he can bring the losties to the LINE and others will take them:nod:

[grey real steam]

sounds pretty good, after doing google search, library search, and a search on ebay and amazon, cant find a thing about that book that is supposed to be published in 1988? if somebody can offer a link showing that book, id be impressed.

i think that this book is just a hoax by a third party or the writers to throw us off, or get people distracted or something.

[shred]

Yep. Hoax.

[AdamJohnson]

My first thought was 'poppycock' then i carried on reading replies; and i started to believe, then came to my senses, and realised 'poppycock'. Pretty interesting theory like, and I'm prepared to eat these words if im proved wrong.

[Kelsonater]

Gees, this is one of the better theories out there except for the fact it sounds all faux. I could definetly believe it except for the fact that the guy who created the theory sounds so much like the french chick- french name, travveling on a boat, crashed on an island. I dont know what to think. It's most probably going to be a well thought of story. So if I'm right in this being a big story well someone must have alotta time on their hands. If it is true though, where's the link or source to this guys book.:confused:

[Phlebas]

Do you not think that maybe this theory has been strenghtened with the arrival of Michael? What if he is a "Bad Twin"? Just a thought.

[elffeet]

I truly beleived this too, but it has been proven COMPLETELY WRONG. Sorry, i would have liked to believe it too...

[clone]

A mod locked my thread, and said I should discuss this here (even though there's nothing "Dead Horse" about it, since it addresses things brought up in the most recent episode - AND it's quite different from this Genetic Twin Theory, but what mod wants, mod gets...)

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This is now my #1 theory:

Theory: Primary Dharma Research Project - Cloning

I am convinced that cloning is a major part of Dharma and LOST. Here are the clues that lead me to this theory:

1) Gary Troup's book "Bad Twin". Gary Troup was on Oceanic 815. He was the author of the manuscript Sawyer is reading. That book is titled "Bad Twin" - a reference to cloning. Even more telling, from the book's description - "Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike".

2) One of the passwords given to us by Persephone on the Hanso Foundation site is "Missing Organs". Missing organs are a known issue in cloning.

3) Marvin Candle / Mark Wickman. The same person appears in both the Swan and Pearl station orientation videos, but calls himself by different names. However, in the Swan video, Candle is missing his right arm, and they made sure we saw that he had both arms in the Pearl video. Again, deformaties and missing limbs / organs are one of the issues of cloning.

4) Locke can walk, Rose no longer has cancer, Jin is no longer impotent, etc. Could the island have cured them? Possibly. However, if the Locke, Rose and Jin that are on the island *are* clones, then they wouldn't have those medical issues.

5) The memory interconnections. Clones wouldn't have the memories of their originals. So these memories would have to be implanted (as in the movie, "Total Recall"). However, the program has either glitches or is purposefully implanting memories of the other Losties. There are far too many interconnections for this to be a coincidence. It would also explain why some of the Others / Dharma researchers are appearing in these memories (after the season finale, we will see further proof of this). The numbers could also tie into the memory implants to make people do what was needed of them.

6) This may be the most telling thing of all: Flight 815 LANDED in Los Angeles! See for yourself at Oceanicair's website. (BTW, There were *two* tracking pages - the one I am referring to was before it changed - could just be part of the conspiracy...)

Who was on the plane? It was a combination of clones and originals. The original Claire is still on the Island; the Others needed baby Aaron. Likewise, the original Locke, still paralyzed, is on the plane that landed in Los Angeles.

There's so much more too - like Desmond not noticing Jack, because the one Jack met first could be a clone. Or the girl in Eko's flashback that came back to life could be a clone with implanted memories of Eko's brother.

It also explains why Jack saw his dad, Eko his brother. Their bodies landed on the island, they could have made clones of them.


This theory is not flawless, but it is the best one so far that wouldn't be a cop-out or a cheat, and has A LOT of things to back it up.

[shred]

http://lost-forum.com/search.php?searchid=502991

[Phlebas]

There's so much more too - like Desmond not noticing Jack, because the one Jack met first could be a clone.

But Desmond did remember Jack.

Jack
"You don't even know what you're running from!"

Desmond
"Yeah, I remember you now, running. You were the guy in the stadium, said you had promised a girl you would fix her. So how is she, the girl?"

Or something like that, don't quote me on it :D

Good theory none the less. Still alot to be explained though.

[skyche]

I think the most reasonable theorie is this
it s also considered gene' s have memories
but still dont explain the countdown clock

[Phlebas]

Hasn't this story line been done before multiple times? I know you could say this about any show or film but surely the underlying plot will be something really original, a new twist on an old tale?

[asgx32]

I am also beginning to think that the Dharma Initiative is a cloning project. That is why the others took a blood sample from Michael when he first arrived at their camp. Also, on the cover of "Bad Twin", the stick to the bottom right has a shadow that looks just like the Dharma Initiative symbol.

Check it out http://abctvstore.shopthescene.com/detail.php?p=8789&v=abclstfan&SESSID=455381d106aced0eaa50e0dca99ae314

[dhalgren]

This could explain some of the black and white symbology. One twin is good, the other evil...

and that's why the Others are trying to figure out who's good? they are trying to weed out the bad clones? (that would also explain why they are so cavalier about human life...)

gosh, this is such a cool line of thinking, are we sure it's a hoax? even if it was planted by ABC, couldn't it be a "true" part of the Lost universe?

[NotoriousCPC]

The map says something about KEV-4, specifically:
"KEV-4. Or possible location of zoological research facility."
I typed up KEV-4 and found this:
http://abstracts.co.allenpress.com/pweb/ssr2000/abstracts/KEV-4-427-203.html
Read it. It has to do with animal cloning. Maybe this explains Mr. Candle/Wick.

[AliCat]

We have a thread for cloning theories. Off we go!

[Comet]

I saw this months ago on another forum, it's a big fat hoax.

I can find you the link if I am lucky.

EDIT* http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=1261&postdays=0&postorder=asc

There, big fat fat fat fake.

[island searcher]

Sounds like one of the best theories so far, espcveaily with the connections between characters in flashbacks.

[V82Slo]

Wow, this theorey definitely peaked my interest. I'm almost tempted to use the comparison to the recent move "The Island". Maybe the losties are twins of wealthy people outside of the island being held for when they are needed for parts.

It sort of fits a lot of the clues we've been given;

- The career ad for Organ transport on Hansocareers.com.
- Wealthy people on island possibly buying a twin (Hurly, Libby (Elizabeth), etc.)
- explains why the survivors blacked out between the plane falling and waking up on the island.
- The "Others" collecting/capturing certain people.
- Children (new twins) being special
- The Snowglobe effect (can't leave) of the island
- Lock's able to walk (in wheelchair in real world)
- Cancer lady's cancer no more

[mxlegend99]

False or not - i love the theories in this thread. Reading some of the stuff, a clone theory seems very plausible.

Maybe "the others" are looking for the better humans amongst the survivors (hence lists), ie. Jack, Kate and Sawyer are "good" in the sense they're primary candidates for being cloned... and having the clone turned into others/having the clone used to infiltrate the camp while killing the originals/locking them up etc.

I can't see why Michael was sent off and they actually gave him Walt. Maybe they gave him a clone so he would be none the wiser... or maybe they cloned him and are using the clone to turn into another. Possible even manipulating the DNA or whatever.

It's probably far fetched... but it's good to think of all the possiblities. This is one of my favorites.

[PinkChilliBomb]

This is seriously creepy.
You got that right.
Although I think I might have seen mine....... :p

[shred]

Hey kids! I know we have done a bit with the Gary Troup "Bad Twin" thing in this thread, but I wanted to let you know we have a more plausible theory going on in Speculative. We have aaaallllll summer, so let's disect that guy and his book.

[jet_returns]

if this twin theory is correct, then maybe the twins are people in the tail section, and people in the front section of the plane and the others.
e.g.
Jack = Ana Lucia
Hurley = Libby
Charlie = Eko


yay... my first post :p :cool: :p :cool: :p :cool: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

[kurt14204]

It seems possible that others working for dharma take the good people, (children and people that havent commited sins) and they take the stronger people...they then use the people they take to develop there own habitat and environment. they are basically building there own world on the island...
any pregnant women that arrive on the island are taken and they attempt to take the baby from the mother and clone it? (hence the bad twin link)
that way the parent keeps the child but they also have there own which they can mature into their own ways...
they then take the strong people and use to work for them...(SPOILER: thats why they took jack, kate and sawyer to use them to interogate new arrivals on the island?!)

Might be way off but let me know what you think

[Dominic1978]

Well, I read somebody saying that the writers said that one of the
(new) characters had a (bad) twin.

NOT SURE IF THE WRITERS REALLY SAID THIS! So this theory
might be way off, since I'm assuming something I do not sure
is true.


However, I got a gut feeling that Julliet has a twin sister.
The Twin sister is the one we see in Ep 1 shocking Sawyer
and also in Ep 2, offering water to Sawyer, however in both
instances she has not talked.

(Did she talk when she aimed the gun at Kate?)

This could indicate a different in voice.


As said, just a theory, I am not sure there is going to be a twin character
but if there is one then I belive it's Julliet.

D

[magnitude]

Well, I read somebody saying that the writers said that one of the
(new) characters had a (bad) twin.

NOT SURE IF THE WRITERS REALLY SAID THIS! So this theory
might be way off, since I'm assuming something I do not sure
is true.


However, I got a gut feeling that Julliet has a twin sister.
The Twin sister is the one we see in Ep 1 shocking Sawyer
and also in Ep 2, offering water to Sawyer, however in both
instances she has not talked.

(Did she talk when she aimed the gun at Kate?)

This could indicate a different in voice.


As said, just a theory, I am not sure there is going to be a twin character
but if there is one then I belive it's Julliet.

D


Maybe they all have clones. Two factions... hmmm

[Dominic1978]

Of course all is possible on Lost, but with Julliet I have
a serious feeling about this cause of the Julliet we see
with Sawyer is not speaking at all.

Also, with trying to crack Jack, I think Julliet has better things to do
then guard Sawyer & Kate while carrying some rocks.

So, of course, all is possible, but if the writers really said one of the characters
has a twin, then I would put my money on Julliet.
In that case curious about what her sister's name is :)

D

[Cammie||]

She did say that he had to drop the weapon, so she did speak... But yeah, maybe they have "clones" or something :p Would be interesting.

[wuzzup3003]

What if her twin was Colleen...

[starbuck]

That would definitely be interesting...

[runrun]

I realized this is probably the better forum for my DHARMA related ramblings.

I tend to agree with some of the other grand theories about magnetisim and the poles, etc. I think it's a combination of some of those theories and gene manipulation for telekensis. My reason for this is largely due t the fact that there is so much animal research.

See below.

[Exie]

If you cant be bothered to paste your theory here with a decent summary, we cant be bothered to go offsite to read it.

If you would like to have this thread reopened so you can paste in your theory, please let myself or AliCat know.

ETA: Reopening thread for original poster to paste in theory.
Please realize that if your theory is related to one already being discussed, it may be merged with the existing thread.
Please dont forget to read Theories Forum Orientation and FAQ.
Thanks!

[runrun]

I think that the Lost DHARMA might have more to do with gene splicing/cloning then viruses. Benry's spinal tumor, polar bears, underwater examination labs, and Juliet being an animal doctor...

Basically, due to the unique magnetic properties of the island, genetic experiments on animals were performed. This gave way to human experiments by the Others. They experimented on themselves or they are experimenting on the Losties.

Or just maybe the DHARMA initiative on Lost is actually being run by a Dolphin?

From:
http://www.genesdev.org/cgi/content/full/12/15/2345
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&list_uids=9694799&cmd=Retrieve&indexed=google
http://www.genesdev.org/cgi/content/full/12/15/2345/F1

The isolated clone contained an 802-bp cDNA fragment that encoded a novel protein consisting of 192 amino acids and containing a homeodomain (Fig. 2A). We named this novel gene dharma, because embryos injected with it form eyes and a head but no trunk or tail (Fig. 1A,D), resembling a Japanese dharma doll (named for the famous Buddhist priest). The Dharma homeodomain was most closely related to those of Goosecoid (Gsc) and Drosophila brain-specific homeoprotein-9 (BSH9). The Dharma homeodomain contains 33 amino acids identical to both Gsc and BSH9 homeodomains, which consist of 60 amino acids (Fig. 2B). Outside the homeobox, no significant similarity between Dharma and other proteins was found.

Division of Molecular Oncology, Biomedical Research Center, Osaka University Medical School; Osaka 565-0871, Japan.

The formation of Spemann organizer is one of the most important steps in dorsoventral axis determination in vertebrate development. However, whether the organizer forms autonomously or is induced non-cell-autonomously is controversial. In this report we have isolated a novel zebrafish homeobox gene, dharma, capable of inducing the organizer ectopically. The expression of dharma was first detected in several blastomeres at one side of the margin soon after the mid-blastula transition and continued in the dorsal side of the yolk syncytial layer (YSL) under the embryonic shield, the zebrafish organizer, until the onset of gastrulation. Furthermore, dharma expressed in the YSL induced the organizer in a non-cell-autonomous manner. These results provided the first identification of a zygotic gene to be implicated in the formation of an organizer-inducing center. Division of Molecular Oncology, Biomedical Research Center, Osaka University Medical School; Osaka 565-0871, Japan.

http://www.genesdev.org/content/vol12/issue15/images/medium/gad.12f2.gif

Figure 2. dharma encodes a novel homeoprotein. (A) Amino acid sequence of Dharma. The homeodomain is underlined. (B) Comparison of the homeodomains of Dharma, Gsc, and BSH9.

http://www.genesdev.org/cgi/content/full/12/15/2345/F2

What is a homeobox?
"Since their discovery in 1983, homeobox genes, and the proteins they encode, the homeodomain proteins, have turned out to play important roles in the developmental processes of many multicellular organisms. While certainly not the only developmental control genes, they have been shown to play crucial roles from the earliest steps in embryogenesis - such as setting up an anterior-posterior gradient in the egg of the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster - to the very latest steps in cell differentiation - such as the differentiation of neurons in the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans (C. elegans). They have a wide phylogenetic distribution, having been found in baker's yeast, plants, and all animal phyla that have been examined so far. Since their original discovery, hundreds of homeobox genes have been described"

"The homeobox was originally described as a conserved DNA motif of about 180 base pairs. The protein domain encoded by the homeobox, the homeodomain, is thus about 60 amino acids long. The first genes found to encode homeodomain proteins were Drosophila developmental control genes, in particular homeotic genes, from which the name "homeo"box was derived. However, many homeobox genes are not homeotic genes; the homeobox is a sequence motif, while "homeotic" is a functional description for genes that cause homeotic transformations."

These excerpts were taken from Bürglin, T.R. (1996) Homeodomain Proteins. In Meyers, R.A. (ed.), Encyclopedia of Molecular Biology and Molecular Medicine, Vol 3., VCH Verlagsgesellschaft mbH, Weinheim, pp. 55-76.

The dorsal gastrula organizer plays a fundamental role in
establishment of the vertebrate axis.

They basically spliced some dharma mRNA into some embroys and the resulting difference ressembled a Japanese dharma doll (named for the famous Buddhist priest), thus they named the gene responsible dharma.

They found this gene through differences in the spinal column or vertabra in the zebrafish:

http://www.genesdev.org/content/vol12/issue15/images/medium/gad.12f1.gif

Expanding on the telekinesis, it would also be possible that Eko was killed by telekinesis or even that the plane was brought down by it.

Explanding it further with the magnetisim and everyone's interconnectivity... while far far fetched, maybe there is some sort of x-men type of telepathy going on by some entity which brought everyone on the plane together and then caused the crash?

More interesting information.

Caenorhabditis elegans is a small (about 1 mm long) soil nematode found in temperate regions. In the 1960's Sydney Brenner began using it to study the genetics of development and neurobiology. Since then the community of C elegans researchers has expanded several thousands.

C. elegans was the first multicellular organism to have its genome completely sequenced. The finished genome sequence was published in 1998 [4] although a number of small gaps were present (the last gap was finished by October 2002). The C. elegans genome sequence is approximately 100 million base pairs long and contains approximately 20,000 genes. The vast majority of these genes encode for proteins but there are likely to be as many as 1,000 RNA genes. Scientific curators continue to appraise the set of known genes, such that new gene predictions continue to be added and incorrect ones modified or removed.

Apparently, the dharma gene is responsible for neuron differentiation in these organisms. Furthermore, work in this area started in the 1960's.

Sydney Brenner is a very distinguished nobel prizer winner in Physiology. Very interesting video on his family is http://www.peoplesarchive.com/browse/movies/4106/.

Brenner made seminal contributions to the emerging field of molecular biology in the 1960s, notably in the elucidation of the triplet code of protein translation through the Crick, Brenner et al. experiment of 1961, which discovered frameshift mutations. This insight provided early elucidation of the genetic code. Brenner then focused on establishing Caenorhabditis elegans as a model organism for the investigation of animal development including neural development.

In 2002, the Nobel Prize for Medicine was awarded to Sydney Brenner, H. Robert Horvitz and John Sulston for their work on the genetics of organ development and programmed cell death (PCD) in C. elegans.

Programmed cell death (PCD) is the deliberate suicide of an unwanted cell in a multicellular organism. In contrast to necrosis, which is a form of cell death that results from acute tissue injury and provokes an inflammatory response, PCD is carried out in a regulated process that generally confers advantages during an organism's life cycle. PCD serves fundamental functions during both plant and metazoa (multicellular animals) tissue development.

More on the buddist dharma doll...

Making a wish

Using black ink, one fills in a single circular eye while thinking of a wish. Should the wish later come true, the second eye is filled in. Until then the daruma is displayed in a high location in one's home, typically close to other significant belongings such as a Butsudan (a Buddhist praying box).

If the daruma doll was purchased within a temple, the owner can return it for burning. Dolls purchased at a temple are often marked; most temples will refuse to burn dolls not exhibiting the temple's mark. Burning usually occurs at the year's end. This is done as a purification ritual to let kami know that the wisher did not give up on the wish, but is on another path to make it come true.

More on the Caenorhabditis elegans worms.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2992123.stm

Aparently, NASA was performing experiments with these organisms as well as some moss cells to see how they behave without gravity. Samples actually surived re-entry during the doomed Columbia disaster.

Japanese Dharma doll from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daruma.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Daruma3.jpg

More relation to the Dharma doll. Dharma gene gets its name from the basic shape of the zebrafish pics. "We named this novel gene dharma, because embryos injected with it form eyes and a head but no trunk or tail (Fig. 1A,D), resembling a Japanese dharma doll (named for the famous Buddhist priest)."

And we have from http://en.lostpedia.com/wiki/Adam_and_Eve

Re the Cave where Adam and Eve bodies are found, Jack finds black and white stones...

"In the dream Claire has while sleepwalking, before finding blood in her baby's crib, Locke is playing cards on a tree-stump. When he looks up towards her, telling her about her child, the black and white stones are in the place of his eyes."

Mod edit: Don't double post. Just edit your last post.

[shred]

This sound suspiciously like cloning to me (a Dead Horse topic.)

[runrun]

This sound suspiciously like cloning to me (a Dead Horse topic.)

I don't think it's cloning, I think it's more like gene splicing. Cloning is simple in comparision. Just getting a copy of someone doesn't get you much. Assume they mapped the human genome and are advanced enough to manipulate it. So, they'll be looking for certain qualities in people. Perhaps someone like Walt is useful and is 'good.' Perhaps some of the other Losites are good or bad for other reasons. But with Walt, if you can manifest birds flying into windows... this opens a whole can of worms when talking about changing the world.

The only way to know, is to test them.

It seems like this is only part of it. Modifying the human genome and changing the 'numbers.' It seems there are other parts of the projects dealing with the environment.

[kenny907]

the word clone will never be used in lost.
the twins are Clifford "Cliff" Widmore is a metafictional character who appears in Bad Twin, a novel written by Flight 815 passenger Gary Troup.

[edit]Facts
Mirror twin brother of Alexander Widmore.
Birthday is on 8-16
Son of Arthur Widmore.
Was married to Shannon Widmore before she died.
Hired Paul Artisan to find his brother who he hadn't heard from in 4 months.
Age: 35ish
Has dark blue eyes
Right handed
Has pictures of himself stalking polar bears
His Mother (the 1st Mrs Widmore) died when he was 3 years old in a drunk driving accident.
Called "Gods Gift" by Zander's friend Keith Baker.
Acting CEO of the Widmore Corporation. While his father, Arthur Widmore is still officially the CEO, he has little to do with the day-to-day operations of the company.

"The Bad Twin"
Son of Arthur Widmore
Twin brother of Clifford Widmore
Birthday is on 8-15, born 23 minutes before Clifford
Disappeared on 4-15. The day of Shannon Widmore's funeral.
Paul Artisan is hired by Clifford Widmore to find him.
Very charming but lies for no reason, steals money he does not need, betrays friends, has sex with women he shouldn't.
Travels the world
Part of a naturist (nudist) colony in Luna, CA - The Helios Foundation
Left-Handed
Friends with Keith Baker. They went to High School together.
Friends with Sky
Went to Sydney Australia, where he hoped to see some former associates with whom he'd once tried to launch a business in black pearls...Then he would probably head up the barrier reef, to an unnamed island some ways out into the coral sea, where he said he had an appointment.
Flew on Oceanic Airlines
Stays at a hotel on Lizard Island under the name "Mr. Cameron Purdue".

[Exie]

Dominic1978:
Merging your thread with the existing Genetic Twin Theory thread.

[kitten091182]

if this theory is correct, or in part correct, then it could explain the disapearance of all the hairbrushes from off the plane. Remember in the pilot episode that claire said she couldnt find a single hairbrush amidst all the wreckage and that it was strange?
Maybe the others took the hairbrushes from the wreckage, as they needed it to get the losties dna samples from their hair? the hairbrush disapearance has been bugging me since the pilot episode. why would they have fit its mention into the episode if it wasnt important?

[-HG-]

Hm.. I don't remember the part of the hairbrushes. And that the others would have searched the crash site or something (while the losties where al there) for hairbrushes and then got back to their camp to make clones (that's what your saying, right?) sounds a little bit.. uhm.. odd.
But I do agree with you that is was mentioned for a reason.

Interesting theory tough :)

[KungFu_Sam]

I have always thought about a clone theory ever since the middle of season one. I think that the survivors are all clones. And when i hear about a different plane that crashed and there were no survivors makes my clone theory even more powerful. It's kind of like the movies "The Island" and "Dark City" combined. I haven't figured out why these certain people were cloned, but i might get a better idea next season.

The Others are the scientists while the survivors are the test subjects. Remember, the first thing we saw on the pilot was Jack waking up in the forest. For all we know, they could have already been on the island before that. I read somewhere that clones are sterile, so maybe that's why the Others are so intrested in Juliet before she came to the island. I know i have a hole in my theory with Claire giving birth, but I think she could be an exception to the rule.

Remember when Sawyer and Kate was hauling rocks for the Others and Sawyer started fighting with the guards? Well, he stopped once Juliet held a gun to Kate's head. Later on, Sawyer tells Kate that he wanted a good read on the Others, and he said that Juliet would have pulled the trigger without hesitating. Now, looking back at Juliet's flashbacks, she does not seem like a person that would kill an unarmed person, but if Juliet knew they were clones, then it shouldn't be a big deal to her.

I also compared this theory to the movie "Dark City" because i think the Others put the survivors in different situations to see how they will respond. That's why there's cameras everywhere. I think "Patchy" might have been a clone, and the black girl that he killed might have been a clone too.

[ratio]

i think i got something!
u said, somewhere in the world, there is your exact twin

the guy/guys ont he orientation video
he/they used 2 names

on the first orientation it was widmore
and on the other it was a completely different name
do you think these fit into your theory, and these being some of the few who have met there twins,

maybe
one is on the island
and one isnt

[xiLeF]

I have no idea what the current theory is with Libby and how she seemed to be a completely different person in the Desmond flashbacks compared to the Hurley flashbacks, but I know there were a lot of twin/clone/2 of her theories flying about.

In the trailer, Charlie is shown, but he's pulling sunglasses off his face in a really weird "un-Charlie-like" way. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it seemed a possibility to me that it may be related to that?

Charlie is dead, but I know Dominic Monaghan is considered a key part to the show, so maybe the writers have brought him in in another way?

Anyway, I'm not too up to date on my lost rumours and spoilers, so I'm sure there's plenty of stuff to counter this, but it's worth considering.

[AliCat]

So are you a proponent of the idea of clones? We do have a thread for that (which I may have to dig around to find and resurrect), but the way things are with Lost right now, you may end up being correct. :p

Going to go find that thread and merge now. :)

[xiLeF]

Thanks AliCat. To be honest, I'm not sure what I make of it, just thought people with more knowledge and time to dedicate to lost might find it interesting :P

[thedocloc]

I was reading about Star Wars - Spaarti Cloning Cylinders - used in Star Wars Episode II and in many Star Wars books (interesting reading about). Could it be that cloning is one of the studies done on the island. Or what about ressurection of a deceased person? That's a crazy thought. Like i said before. Where is Jack's dad's body? What happened to Eko's brothers body? Why have they been taking blood samples from the castaways? They took a vial of blood from Michael. And clearly took one from Kate and Jack (remember the cottonball w/ band-aid that they each pulled off in beginning of Season III)

Creating life wiht DNA ... Jurassic Park-like...

[sweet-breit]

Remember cloning is legal in Europe, maybe the lab isn't a vet and the animals are tests. I think Ben has found a way to clone himself and put himslef in different times and places, thus the many passports and names. Somehow I think each clone then bounces knowledge back to him on the island. In my mind it makes me wonder if the mass grave are Bens of the past or present he needed to rid himself of. And just because they are clones, doesn't mean they have to be identical twins. Maybe Ben has different looks too. He could be the spy on the ship. This is why the need mothers on the island. He needs woman to implant his DNA to clone.

[Lob]

WOW! That would be cool!

[nickw23]

cool theory/catch!

[Brittany.Brooks]

Wow that would be creepy. I would have nightmares.

[108_Minutes]

This could also explain the many Mikhails, maybe he is a clone, too. :shock:

[bobyo]

haven't the writers ruled out cloning?

[AliCat]

haven't the writers ruled out cloning?

Yes, in the first season the then-writers did an interview debunking the idea of Clones. However... I think we can safely say that lots of things about Lost have changed since then, writers included. So who knows.

However, I feel that this would be better discussed in the Clone Theories thread we have in the Theory Forum as this is not entirely episode specific and does deal with theory speculation. Moving there. :)

[buttaz420]

Here is a theory and if it has been posted before I apologize. I didn't want to read through seven pages of threads.

The theory pertains to cloning.

In the pilot episode, as Oceanic 815 was flying and it started to feel the turbulence, what if, the entire plane and the passangers on it were cloned, and entire plane and everyone on it died (which is said to have happened during season 4, supposedly) and the clones are the Oceanic 6 and the people who are currently living on the island.

Just a thought. It sounds a little far fetched though.

[Jacob_is_every1]

Here is a theory and if it has been posted before I apologize. I didn't want to read through seven pages of threads.

The theory pertains to cloning.

In the pilot episode, as Oceanic 815 was flying and it started to feel the turbulence, what if, the entire plane and the passangers on it were cloned, and entire plane and everyone on it died (which is said to have happened during season 4, supposedly) and the clones are the Oceanic 6 and the people who are currently living on the island.

Just a thought. It sounds a little far fetched though.

The fake wreckage of Oceanic flight 815 was all a set up of Widmore. They even said that they dug up buried bodies in a cemetary in like Thailand for the wreckage. The fake Oceanic flight 815 was all a hoax to get the resecue crews to stop looking for the island and the survivors. Unless the buried people were there clones. Hmmmmm........:ponder:

[TimeTravelBunny]

haven't the writers ruled out cloning?
I don't think they are any clones in LOST.

But that doesn't mean that there can't be any duplicates, due to a time travel anomaly. That's exactly what happened with the bunny no.15 in the Orchid orientation video shown at the 2007 Comic Con. The two rabbits are not clones, they're one and the same rabbit, that's why it would de disastrous to let them meet each other.

A clone is another person created from the same DNA placed in an empty ovum. It's like an identical twin, but not born out of the same ovum or womb. But the Orchid video was about time travel, not cloning, and the second bunny no.15 was a duplicate of the first... It was as much the real bunny n.15 as the other one was.

Think of the two Will Rikers in Star Trek: TNG episode "Second Chances" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chances_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) When Dr. Crusher was asked "So which is the real Will Riker", she answered "They both are." However, this was a case of mistake in transport beam that produced two versions of Riker living in the same time, although at a different place. But, if time travel is involved, as it seems to be the case with bunny no.15, the two versions of no.15 were more than even that. They were the exact same bunny in two time frames... who incidentally found themselves in the same time frame.

[Chinababes]

you are very correct timetravelbunny...

thats is why jack is being warned by charlie not to raise him...

and claire warning kate not to bring HIM back... they're referring to jeremy bentham...:shock:

[lordsulldemort]

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What if sayid shooting ben and running away causes him to join the others and become 'bad'?

What if being shot (and surviving) causes Ben to stay with the dharma initiative and become 'good'?

What if this seperate reality the dharma initiative wins, and the others/hostiles lose?

What if this seperate reality is in opposites, ying and yang, black and white, good vs evil?


I mean lets look at the facts here in opposites. The losties are all working for the Dharma initative. Sawyer and Juliet are together. Sawyer is the leader instead of Jack, and Jack is doing janitorial work. Sayid is potentially going to go with the others, the dharma iniative will go strong now that Ben wont kill them.

[Lightivity]

Maybe we have a case of concept that was shown in the 1969 movie "Journey to the Far Side of the Sun" (aka Doppelgänger)? An exact duplicate version of Earth is located behind the sun, where everything is mirror-reveresed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064519/