Official Walt and What He Said Discussion

[Roanna]

remember almost all of the episodes begin with a zoom out from one of the characters eyes. Last episode was Desmond's eye

wow! I had noticed that, but like everything else with the first eppie of Season II, I was so blown away that I couldn't pick out too much of anything. Glad they are re-running eppie 1 tonight so I can DVR it along with eppie 2.

cool stuff to be sure

[Captain Panda]

I´ve been listening to the slow version for ages now and I still can´t fit: "The button is bad" Maybe "Tho button is bad" but not "the", if it is, then the boy needs serious pronounciation lessons.

To me it still sounds like "No button is bad"

Anyone else?

[murbot]

I´ve been listening to the slow version for ages now and I still can´t fit: "The button is bad" Maybe "Tho button is bad" but not "the", if it is, then the boy needs serious pronounciation lessons.

To me it still sounds like "No button is bad"

Anyone else?

The actor that plays Walt was on Jimmey Kimmel last night and said it's "Don't push the button, the button is bad".

[Captain Panda]

The actor that plays Walt was on Jimmey Kimmel last night and said it's "Don't push the button, the button is bad".

Yes I know, I´m not retarded thank you, I can read one page up.

That was my point entirely that even though the actor said that, I can´t make out that he says: "The button is bad"

[Listen to Lenny]

I´ve been listening to the slow version for ages now and I still can´t fit: "The button is bad" Maybe "Tho button is bad" but not "the", if it is, then the boy needs serious pronounciation lessons.

To me it still sounds like "No button is bad"

Anyone else?

Hey Cappy,

I understand what you are saying, and I kind of commented about it in an earlier post. Here is what I had to say about it then:

"From a linguistics point of view: As far as whether one of the key words in quote is "The" or "No", in a whisper a lazy "Th" can sound pretty close to an "N". In fact, it would sound like a soft "D", coming out more like "Da button's bad" (Da Bears...interesting...). Walt speaks a little lazily (which is only to say that like most people he does not make a great effort to annunciate). It could be either, but I am hearing "The" (or more accurately, "Da")."

Doesn't totally answer your question. It does tend to "sound" more like "no" then "the", but I think a lack of annunciation can easily explain that.

[Captain Panda]

Well, the actor said he said "The button is bad", so I guess I´ll have to trust him. My point is that if they actually wanted us to play it backwards and figure it out they could have made the boy speak out properly.

[xannaxberryx]

Well I guess that kind of closes the subject then, although until now I had agreed with the person who thought it said "Press the button, they'll put us back." It sort of made sense and I agreed with the person who said that the "sickness" is connected with eyes, I think there may have been a painting of an eye in the hatch? :confused: Now we just have to wonder about why he would say that? Lost is so confuzzling, lol. :)

[LoVe4LoSt]

go to www.lostlinks.com
you can play Walts message backwards and it has a lot of other cool stuff...

[San]

So...the actor says something, and you want to close the discussion because of that? Oh come on!! The actors are DRILLED to say certain things, they are deliberately misleading people more often than not. Especially with producers like JJ I don't believe a single word they say until it is confirmed on the show. It is common knowledge that they spread rumours to mislead people and give them something to discuss.

Now....I freely admit I don't entirely know what Walt said. I am sure about a couple of things though. He did not say "Don't" in the beginning, the first word is "Press", you can hear that there is no additional word in both versions, forward and backward.

The last word is not 'bad', unless Walt has a very strange way of speaking. It sounds more like 'bare', something with an 'e' in the end.

Next: Why does everybody think The Others are bad? Because Danielle said so? Yeah, because she is such a reliable source. Has anybody ever considered that they are just desperate? That they want to get off the island? That they know something about the hatch and what everything is about that we don't? They didn't seem like sick maniacs when they took Walt, they were actually pretty organised.

So....what was Walt? Real? -- No. Definitely not.

A hologram? -- Oh please....I am sure that there is some sort of military experiment or whatever involved in this, but that's really pushing it.

A vision? -- Maybe, but I am gearing towards an astral projection of sorts. Walt made Shannon see him (even though I am not sure it was specifically adressed at Shannon, or if it was just coincidence that she saw him). He was trying to pass a message to the other survivors.

Why was the message backwards, and why was Walt wet? -- Simple. It was backwards, cause it was send back in time. I firmly believe that timeline is a key thing of the whole show. Walt is in the future (from our point of view), sending the message back. And in the future he could have ended up wet, maybe he tried to swim back to the others, or jumped off the boat or whatever. That will probably be revealed later.

Why didn't his lip movement and what he said match? --- Cause his 'video' was playing forwards. Only the 'audio' was backwards. Play the backward sound to the forward images (or the other way around) and it matches.

Is Walt dead? -- Definitely not. That would make no sense whatsoever. He's needed.

One thing to whoever put that 'transcript' of the whispers up (not Walt's, the others)....nice, but it is what you WANTED to hear, right? I heard versions that had any background noise removed, and even then there is no way to hear what is being said THAT clearly, only bits and pieces of it.

San

[Lotto#4815162342]

Okay, I know that the kid who plays Walt said he said "don't push the button, the button is bad," but last wednesday I was watching Extra on NBC and they had something on it where they analyzed it and went to a sound guy and he proved that it said something like "Push the button, no buttons bad." I just mention this because this is the last page and some people still think it's the other thing. Just want to help clear it up=)

[xannaxberryx]

I suppose it's possible San, Lost writers like to mess with your head, thats for sure. Thanks for clearing that up Lotto.

[Just4Robin]

But Jack's father died, he saw his body in the morgue.

But there was no body in the coffin.

[AngeloShrine]

Well, the actor said he said "The button is bad", so I guess I´ll have to trust him. My point is that if they actually wanted us to play it backwards and figure it out they could have made the boy speak out properly.

Look, it's possible the producers made Malcolm David Kelley say a whole bunch of things -- The button is bad, No button is bad, Da button is bad -- and then they used the one that sounded the best. Malcolm likely has no idea what one they went with. He just knows that at one point he said "the" and that's what stuck with him.

Angelo

[jigsawyer]

I'm pretty sure this was just meant to be "creepy", not insightful. Same for the comic and Walt's Backgammon games. There's no deeper meaning behind that, but that's just my 2 cents.

[Frutiger Cn]

or, is it "press the button -- no, button's bad"? that kinda mirrors what happens - jack tries to press it - and locke says no, that its bad.

maybe its press the button.
w/ the options Yes or No

"No" button is bad.

they're going to take walt, brain wash him put him in a hatch in another island.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1610/alanis454wb.jpg

I not only think the producers have the actors say false things during interviews but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't plant people on these forums to plant false leads. :)

One thing that no one has discussed is pushing the button is bad for WHO?

Everyone seems to have defaulted to thinking Walt is contradicting himself by saying you press the button even though the button is bad for you.

What if he is instead saying you press the button because the button is bad for the Others?

Oh, and Walt probably was dripping with oil instead of water.

Water wouldn't stay on an actor long enough to shoot the scene but oil will.

what did he say to shannon
i think i may know... i recorded it and played it backwards....
http://www.thiscursiveocean.com/lost
it sounds like - "press the button, no button's bad"

Do you remember the orientation video? There were 6 areas of interest on this island that were being researched. One of which (station 3, the Swan) was electromagnetic reasearch. I wonder if there aren't 5 more stations on this island with people pushing buttons or dead or whatever. And another area of interest was para-psychology. Which we think Walt most definitely has. After all he is "special" according to Brian. And when he touched Locke's arm he saw something. So.... what if those people are from "para-psychology" and are taking him back to do research?

[Jed]

It's my belief Walt is being written out of the show. To be more specific he's being written out as a regular character.


http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=493112#post493112

[Mama Cass]

The "execute" button, in my opinion. Walt has been "altered" (dare I say "brainwashed") by the Others. Pressing the "execute" button is somehow beneficial to the Others and detrimental to the crash survivors. Thus, Walt's instruction and subsequent qualification that "no button's bad" is an attempt at deception and manipulation. Why he had to say it backwards, I do not know.
And if you remember in season one Walt set the first raft on fire. Then when they had the second raft, he told his dad that he did it. His dad said that thats ok and we dont have to go, but Walt said No we have too. So he must have known that the "others" were going to be out that night.

Rock on Man You have a good theory!!!

[mikehaley]

i don't know if this is still a discussion / debate or not (and i don't really feel like reading over the whole thread), but...

walt mp3, reversed at normal speed (http://www.electrichumanproject.com/misc/walt.mp3)

and

walt mp3, reversed and slowed down (http://www.electrichumanproject.com/misc/waltslow.mp3)

sorry if a ton of these mp3s have already been posted... i'm sure two more wont really hurt anyone.

[mia 55]

well to me Walt seems to know what's going on the island. First he says to Lock not to open the hatch and know he tells shannon that the button is bad. but like Lazy Boy said we don't know for who the button is bad

[murbot]

i think i may know... i recorded it and played it backwards....
http://www.thiscursiveocean.com/lost
it sounds like - "press the button, no button's bad"


Are you kidding?:)
The cuts of the recording played backward that sound like he's saying "Press the button, no button's bad" are cut short. The word "Don't" was cut off, because it was low and most people didn't hear it. He said "Don't press the button, the button's bad".

The actor who played Walt was on the Jimmy Kimmel show and told us what he said.:)

[Frutiger Cn]

i didn't catch that. that's amazing.
i dunno though... i recorded this myself. didn't cut off anything at all. And it really really sounds like he says "Press the button, no button's bad" - seriously. And I've been reading threads all over saying that people were wrong and it does say that.
serious.. check it out:
http://www.thiscursiveocean.com/lost

[1234567890123456]

Has anyone realized that the numbers 4-8-15-16-23-42 add up to 108?

[Frutiger Cn]

i did.... but this is what i've been working on with those numbers at the moment....
http://www.thiscursiveocean.com/myspace/pics/Lost.jpg

[1234567890123456]

it would be in the right area... and the numbers being entered could be re-setting the supposed "field"

[ThePlotThickens]

i have DVR. i recorded and and when i played it backwards. i heard "push the button. no buttons bad." but some people think its "dont push the button, the buttons bad" here is a web i got that i can show you a really good sound of him.

http://waltreversed.ytmnd.com/

[Frutiger Cn]

"push/press the button. no button's bad"

great link!

[BaldIsBeautiful]

I'm new here and got tired of reading everything on this post, so if this has been covered, forgive me...but has anyone speculated that since Walt has the ability to see things in his mind's eye and project them to reality, he is doing the same thing with himself? The only reason that Shannon saw him is because he has some sort of mental connection to Vincent and can use him as a conduit.

[Brisbane_rob]

till someone comes u pwith why he spoke backwards , i think what he said is less improtant , because speaking backwards means that no one on hte island wil lunderstand him

it cantbe a warning, becasuenit would be as useful as speaking in Martian to Shannon.

[Benthabits]

I have the sound files at my site.

http://88redmedia.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,50/func,select/id,2/

[ahershdorfer]

In Jin's flashback, you can clearly see Hurley on the TV, but the writers/producers tried hiding, hoping that maybe a few people might see, but everybody saw it.[/QUOTE]
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So where was Hurley in that episode and why was he there?

[ahershdorfer]

I think we should reverse all the whispers heard from the "others". I can totally see them incorporating something like this... http://www.reversespeech.com

I can't believe people are spending this much time reversing totally random and unimportant sound clips and trying to make sense. Sandra Bernhardt in a Madonna video saying "they pulled out the grass"? Who cares!! This is ridiculous but I can see the writers of Lost having fun with it.

[ahershdorfer]

who in the world figured that out, or heard it????

Here is a transcript of the whispers from Lost Links - Whispers Text (http://www.lostlinks.net/whispers.htm)

Sayid in the Jungle
From "Solitary"

Man's voice
Just let him get out of here

Man's voice
He's seen too much already

Man's voice
What if he tells

Woman's voice
Could just speak to him

Man's voice
No

Sawyer in the jungle
From "Outlaws"

Woman's voice
Maybe we should just talk to him

Man's voice
No if he see us it will ruin everything

Man's voice
What did he see

Woman's voice
They could help us

Man's voice
Can't trust

Man's voice
Come back around

(Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)

Man's voice
What did he see

Man's voice
Nothing he was following it

Woman's voice
Speak

Man's voice
Nothing

Frank Duckett's voice
It'll come back around

[ahershdorfer]

Then either "Dumb button's bad" or "[something indecipherable] button's bad"

I hear "Press the button,no(or don't) button is bad"

[xannaxberryx]

I'm new here and got tired of reading everything on this post, so if this has been covered, forgive me...but has anyone speculated that since Walt has the ability to see things in his mind's eye and project them to reality, he is doing the same thing with himself? The only reason that Shannon saw him is because he has some sort of mental connection to Vincent and can use him as a conduit.

Thats my theory! :)

[FeelLikeANut]

First, does anyone know if there is some kind of transcript for that Jimmy Kimmel thing?

Second, people tell me that Kelley confirmed that he said "Don't push the button, the button's bad", but I've listened to it thoroughly (I have the entire episode digitally recorded) and there was definitely no "don't" in there. So, I'm still a bit skeptical.

[Roanna]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BaldIsBeautiful
I'm new here and got tired of reading everything on this post, so if this has been covered, forgive me...but has anyone speculated that since Walt has the ability to see things in his mind's eye and project them to reality, he is doing the same thing with himself? The only reason that Shannon saw him is because he has some sort of mental connection to Vincent and can use him as a conduit.

Thats my theory! Thats my theory! :)

mine too! although I didn't think he needed Vincent as a conduit, but that's a good thought. I just thought he was doing some kind of astral projection thing. Isn't that one of the projects on the island?

YAY! It's Wednesday!!!!!!!!
gotta get off the forum & go home before I give into curiosity & see if anyone's posting yet .....

woo hoo!!!! I love wednesdays!!!!

[manninew]

Tried to read this post entirely but didn't finish, so I don't know if someone noticed it but... When whispers are heard, it's raining or it has just been raining, imo the rain is related to the others, they use some kind of technology or some bugs(google this) to interfere with the weather.

Why do I post this here ? Because when I saw Walt, I thought it was a projection of him under heavy rain...

[Smultron]

A quick reply here, abaout what Walt is saying..
First of all, some insane dude is in fact listening on Walt backwards..
that is just crazy! Ha ha.. but.. back to the subject...

Some people think he is saying;
"Don't press the button. No, the button's bad."
Other say;
"Press the button, no buttons bad"

I think it's the first one, cause why would he like them to push
the button if he didn't want them to go inside the hatch??

[dgcurtis]

Just my 2 cents on it. I captured the sounds from the HDTV captures using sound recorder in Windows.

To me it sounds like:

"Press the button. ** button's bad"

The first work of the second sentance sounds like it starts with a "D". Some people have said "Dumb" button but I got thinking about it a little.

What if he is saying "Dome button is bad." ?

It fits the context but I still am not sure what it means.

Again, just my 2 cents.

[dumwaldo]

i havent read every single post in this discussion but i did read a good amount of the thread. i do not think anybody has posted what walt has been confirmed to have said so i thought i would post it.

what walt said was "Push the button, Don’t push the button. Bad."

that quote was confirmed by Damon Lindelof in an interview with TV Guide. here is a scan of the article. read the answer to the question about what happens if the survivors do not to put the numbers into the computer...

http://www.talesofinterest.com/lost/wp-content/uploads/lost2.gif

of course that statement is open to interpetation but to me it sounds like he is saying they SHOULD push the button because not pushing the button is bad.

[dumwaldo]

BTW
here are pages one and three if anybody was getting into reading the article...

http://www.talesofinterest.com/lost/wp-content/uploads/lost.gif

http://www.talesofinterest.com/lost/wp-content/uploads/lost3.gif

[Boone_lover]

How you guys think of doing things like playing something backwards never ceases to astound me...

[Remus Lupin]

Well, you can listen to things backwards with QuickTime for example. There are millions of programs for it. And in MOSMOF, Walt said "Don't press the button." Malcolm David Kelley confirmed this at Jimmy Kimmel a long time ago. I don't know if that's been brought up and frankly, I don't care either. Just pointing out, even if someone probably already has.

PURILAINEN!

[dumwaldo]

again not me saying this is what i think i remember. not me saying this is what i think i hear. DAMON LINDELOF is directly quoted. its in the second page in the answer to the question what happens if they do not put the numbers in.