Official Number 108 Thread

[P2K1]

They are the 108 sins.

[jessepea]

oooooh you're right

[tommerp]

4+8+15+16+23+42=108!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frink]

Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought 108 sounded like a familiar number.

[wolffootball37]

108 sins? how did u get its about sin?

[Sing_Without_A_Reason]

108 sins? Can someone explain please? :confused:

[The Czar]

108 sins?njvjgu

[johndoe75]

and desmond is the devil.....

[sugar_slayer]

i thought there were 7 sins

howd we get to 108

[johndoe75]

just kidding... however it would make sence...i wouldnt like it though

[Astraea]

<The 108:
This is one of the purest expressions of firewalking there is.
The Tibetan Monks believe that there are 108 sins. To atone for these sins they ritualistically pray 108 times (there are 108 beads on a set of prayer beads), or walk across the fire 108 times.>

[Quiet Tempest]

interesting

[Mandi]

If anyone has been over to the Bible theory in the theories section, I mentioned that maybe God put them on the island to save them from world desctruction and the monster on the island is the devil. Maybe the 108 sins has something to do with it.

[whisper]

also when jack first meets desmond, desmond says something along the lines of "youre running like the devils chasing you" or something to that extent...

[darth_coolius]

damn, this is good stuff.

[philotech]

He also said something like, you will never catch me tonight... which kind of points away from desmond being the devil...

[robweber2]

from wikipedia:

One hundred eight is an abundant number, a tetranacci number, a Harshad number and a self number. It is the hyperfactorial of 3. 108 is a number that is divisible by the value of its φ function, which is 36.

In normal space, the interior angles of an equilateral pentagon measure 108 degrees each.

There are 108 free polyominoes of order 7.

It is a split double prime of 2 and 3.

One hundred eight is also:

The number of beads on a Buddhist rosary.

The number of beads on a Tibetan mala.

The atomic number of hassium.

In Homer's Odyssey, the number of suitors coveting Penelope, wife of Odysseus.

Chinese astrology holds that there are 108 sacred stars. (This legend is the basis of the Suikoden series of video games: each of the 108 playable characters represents a star in Chinese astrology.)

Several different tai chi long forms consist of 108 moves.

It is a sacred number in Hinduism used and referred to in a variety of manners
A symbol of Siva among the Saivites, for Siva Nataraja dances his cosmic dance in 108 poses.

A Mala (Sanskrit word for a rosary of beads) usually has beads for 108 repetitions of a mantra

Apart from Hinduism, it is also held sacred or otherwise significant by various Buddhist, Sikh, and Jain traditions.

The number of surat al-Kawthar in the Qur'an, the smallest one of the Book.

In Islam, used to refer to Allah.

[*Pauly*]

Chinese astrology holds that there are 108 sacred stars. (This legend is the basis of the Suikoden series of video games: each of the 108 playable characters represents a star in Chinese astrology.)

Hey didn't someone say one of the symbols on the box was a chinese symbol.

[rufus77]

Yeah how about if you add up the numbers it totals 108

[WobblePot]

the moment I saw the number 108 I was like OMG thats the sum of the numbers cuz I had counted that awhile ago... and added it to my mental cursed number list lol... freaky...

[*Pauly*]

pure genius from rufus ;)

[Raven O'Reilly]

Well done.

[elleesa]

Robweber2, you did good. Nice piece of number-tracking.

[Quiet Tempest]

I agree. Good job, Rob. :) Very informative.

[murbot]

I found 108 multiple posts.

[BelleOfTheBall]

I found 108 multiple posts.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. :crackup:

[Frink]

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

With the mysterious numbers coming partly together. The 108 sins could be true. But also there are 108 names of Ganesha (Hinduism). http://www.saranam.com/Deities/108Names.asp

[LOSTSOL]

Awesome thread.
Found this explanation about '108' (fully posted below), seems like the sun's diameter is 108 times bigger than earth's!!!!!
Can anyone confirm this?

Also really interesting is the last paragraph:
Indian thought takes the outer cosmology to be mirrored in the inner cosmology of the human. Therefore, the number 108 is also taken to represent the 'distance' from the body of the devotee to the God within. The chain of 108 'links' is held together by 107 joints, which is the number of marmas, or weak spots, of the body in Ayurveda.

So 108 links the body to the God within...107 weak spots of the body, until you hit the last spot which is the God within, extremely interesting, and very applicable to our survivors...


Full excerpt from website:
I ultimately found the answer to the mystery of these numbers while researching early Indian astronomy. I discovered that the Indians took this to be the distance between the earth and the sun in sun-diameter units, and the distance between the earth and the moon in moon-diameter units.

Three facts that any book on astronomy will verify:

* Distance between earth and sun = 108 times sun-diameter,

* Distance between earth and moon = 108 times moon-diameter, and most
remarkably,

* Diameter of the sun = 108 times the earth diameter.

That the Indians knew of the first two shouldn't surprise, because it can be calculated by anyone without the need for any instruments. Take a pole, mark its height, and then remove it to a place 108 times its height. The pole will look exactly of the same angular size as the moon or the sun.

I don't believe Indians knew the third fact, that the sun is 108 times as large as the earth, because there is no evidence of that in the old astronomy manuals. If they did, it would be as amazing a coincidence as the knowledge of the correct speed of light before modern measurements.

Indian thought takes the outer cosmology to be mirrored in the inner cosmology of the human. Therefore, the number 108 is also taken to represent the 'distance' from the body of the devotee to the God within. The chain of 108 'links' is held together by 107 joints, which is the number of marmas, or weak spots, of the body in Ayurveda.

[ericcoaster]

I don't really think the numbers represent the 108 sins...do you really think the writers would do that? It's possible, but I'm personally expecting something a little less obvious and more interesting, and maybe scientific. Then again how does science tie in with bad luck? Probability I guess...grr, who knows!! :confused:

[ehurdler]

Screen shot of the bottle he is injecting. I haven't seen anyone else post this yet. I haven't looked in every post either.
Bottle says:

CR 4-81516-23 42
FOR INJECTION,
10mL Multiple Dose

[ericcoaster]

thanks for that, i've been lookin for a screenshot of it. It's been discussed on the Desmond thread

[Roanna]

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

With the mysterious numbers coming partly together. The 108 sins could be true. But also there are 108 names of Ganesha (Hinduism). http://www.saranam.com/Deities/108Names.asp

Wow, Frink, thanks for the site! Beautiful stuff. I wear a rudraksha 108 bead mala and I just spent about half an hour in that site. Has to be great to get me away from LOST!!!

thanks again
Roanna

[robweber2]

guys, DykeZuki is fine in my book. i had no problem last night with what she said and i have no problem now. :)

Robweber2, you did good. Nice piece of number-tracking.
I agree. Good job, Rob. Very informative.
thanks! wikipedia is a goldmine of information.


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[robweber2]

warning: long post ahead.

okay, i did a search and didn't find any topics on this before, so please excuse me if it has indeed come up. but has anyone thought about the correlation between the numbers and the periodic table of elements?

4 = Be - Beryllium
8 = O - Oxygen
15 = P - Phosphorus
16 = S - Sulfur
23 = V - Vanadium
42 = Mo - Molybdenum
108 = Hs - Hassium

Be O P S V Mo Hs

following info from wikipedia:

4 - Beryllium: Beryllium has one of the highest melting points of the light metals. The modulus of elasticity of beryllium is approximately 1/3 greater than that of steel. It has excellent thermal conductivity, is nonmagnetic and resists attack by concentrated nitric acid. It is highly permeable to X-rays, and neutrons are liberated when it is hit by alpha particles, as from radium or polonium (about 30 neutrons/million alpha particles). At standard temperature and pressures beryllium resists oxidation when exposed to air (although its ability to scratch glass is probably due to the formation of a thin layer of the oxide).

8 - Oxygen: At standard temperature and pressure, oxygen is mostly found as a gas consisting of a diatomic molecule with the chemical formula O2. O2 has two energetic forms:-
The low-energy predominant single-bonded diradical triplet oxygen. This native diradical quality of oxygen contributes to its destructive chemical nature. This form is stabilized by the degeneracy effect.
The high-energy double-bonded molecule singlet oxygen. Oxygen is a major component of air, produced by plants during photosynthesis, and is necessary for aerobic respiration in animals. The word oxygen derives from two words in Greek, οξυς (oxys) (acid, sharp) and γεινομαι (geinomai) (engender). The name "oxygen" was chosen because, at the time it was discovered in the late 18th century, it was believed that all acids contained oxygen. The definition of acid has since been revised to not require oxygen in the molecular structure. Liquid O2 and solid O2 have a light blue color and both are highly paramagnetic. Liquid O2 is usually obtained by the fractional distillation of liquid air. Liquid and solid O3 (ozone) have a deeper color of blue. A recently discovered allotrope of oxygen, tetraoxygen (O4), is a deep red solid that is created by pressurizing O2 to the order of 20 GPa. Its properties are being studied for use in rocket fuels and similar applications, as it is a much more powerful oxidizer than either O2 or O3.

15 - Phosphorus: Common phosphorus forms a waxy white solid that has a characteristic disagreeable smell. Pure forms of the element are colorless and transparent. This non metal is not soluble in water, but it is soluble in carbon disulfide. Pure phosphorus ignites spontaneously in air and burns to phosphorus pentoxide.

16 - Sulfur: At room temperature, sulfur is a soft bright yellow solid. Although sulfur is infamous for its smell - frequently compared to rotten eggs - the odor is actually characteristic of hydrogen sulfide (H2S); elemental sulfur is odorless. It burns with a blue flame that emits sulfur dioxide, notable for its peculiar suffocating odor. Sulfur is insoluble in water but soluble in carbon disulfide and other nonpolar solvents. Common oxidation states of sulfur include −2, +2, +4 and +6. Sulfur forms stable compounds with all elements except the noble gases. Sulfur in the solid state ordinarily exists as a cyclic crown-shaped S8 molecules. Sulfur has many allotropes besides S8. Removing one atom from the crown gives S7, which is responsible for sulfur's distinctive yellow color. Many other rings have been prepared, including S12 and S18. By contrast, its lighter neighbor oxygen only exists in two states of chemical significance: O2 and O3. Selenium, the heavier analogue of sulfur can form rings but is more often found as a polymer chain. The crystallography of sulfur is complex. Depending on the specific conditions, the sulfur allotropes form several distinct crystal structures, with rhombic and monoclinic S8 best known. A noteworthy property is that the viscosity of molten sulfur, unlike most other liquids, increases with temperature due to the formation of polymer chains. Amorphous or "plastic" sulfur can be produced through the rapid cooling of molten sulfur. X-ray crystallography studies show that the amorphous form may have a helical structure with eight atoms per turn. This form is metastable at room temperature and gradually reverts back to crystalline form. This process happens within a matter of hours to days but can be rapidly catalyzed by human saliva.

23 - Vanadium: Vanadium is a soft and ductile, bright white metal. It has good resistance to corrosion by alkalis, sulfuric and hydrochloric acid. It oxidizes readily at about 933 K. Vanadium has good structural strength and a low fission neutron cross section, making it useful in nuclear applications. Although definitely a metal, it shares with Chromium and Manganese the property of having valency oxides with acid properties. Common oxidation states of vanadium include +2, +3, +4 and +5. A popular experiment with ammonium vanadate (NH4VO3), reducing the compound with zinc metal, can demonstrate colorimetrically all four of these vanadium oxidation states. A +1 oxidation state is also rarely seen.

42 - Molybdenum: Molybdenum is a transition metal. The pure metal is silvery white in color and very hard, and has one of the highest melting points of all pure elements. In small quantities, molybdenum is effective at hardening steel. Molybdenum is important in plant nutrition, and is found in certain enzymes, including xanthine oxidase.

108 - Hassium: It was first synthesized in 1984 by a German research team led by Peter Armbruster and Gottfried Münzenberg at the Institute for Heavy Ion Research at Darmstadt. The name hassium was proposed by them, derived from the Latin name for the German state of Hessen where the institute is located. There was an element naming controversy as to what the elements from 101 to 109 were to be called; thus IUPAC adopted unniloctium (symbol Uno) as a temporary, systematic element name for this element. In 1994 a committee of IUPAC recommended that element 108 be named hahnium. The name hassium was adopted internationally, however, in 1997.







this will probably just confuse me even more....

[BOONE182]

GREAT THREAD. so why were the numbers being broadcast 16 yrs ago? by desso?

[ace_ryan_icon]

Psalms Chapter 108


1 O god, my heart is fixed; I will sing and give praise, even with my glory.

2 Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.

3 I will praise thee, O LORD, among the people: and I will sing praises unto thee among the nations.

4 For thy mercy is great above the heavens: and thy truth reacheth unto the clouds.

5 Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens: and thy glory above all the earth;

6 That thy beloved may be delivered: save with thy right hand, and answer me.

7 God hath spoken in his holiness; I will rejoice, I will divide Shechem, and mete out the valley of Succoth.

8 Gilead is mine; Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver;

9 Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe; over Philistia will I triumph.

10 Who will bring me into the strong city? who will lead me into Edom?

11 Wilt not thou, O God, who hast cast us off? and wilt not thou, O God, go forth with our hosts?

12 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.

13 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.

[RedSimmy]

If there is 108 sins, were all of them named if so could someone found out what the 4th, 8th, 15th, 16th, 23rd, 42nd and the 108th sin was ???

[ace_ryan_icon]

Number 4 says "Who is the Giver of boons"

Number 8 says "Who nourishes the sustains pious people "

Number 15 says "Who is Glory Personified"

Number 16 says "Who is the Embodiment of Shiva"

Number 23 says "Who is the inner Atma in all"

Number 42 says "Who is solely devoted to protecting the people"

[RedSimmy]

honestly ?? o are you "yanking my chain" ??? (yeh got a lost quote in ... lol)

[evangeline dream]

sorry for my ignorance, but 108 is relevant why? if there is another thread on this, can you give me a link

[murbot]

sorry for my ignorance, but 108 is relevant why? if there is another thread on this, can you give me a link


Check out the first page of this thread. :)

[soumya86]

where in the show does it mention 108?

[ShinyThings]

If you're wondering that why wouldn't you just check the beginning of this thread . . . I just don't get it.

[tobarrett]

I just went on wikipedia to look up 108 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29) and guess what I found amongst a list of the importance of the number...

A significant number in the TV series Lost.

haha :D
I thought I'd just share that with you all...

[soumya86]

Is 108 ever mentioned in the series?

[Mahub]

Is 108 ever mentioned in the series?

Yes, and no. Its the product of all the numbers added together I believe.

[soumya86]

so the actuall number 108 never has been mentioned :P

1+0+8 = 9
9 upside down equals 6
6 is the devils number!

[Eddy-B]

warning: long post ahead.

okay, i did a search and didn't find any topics on this before, so please excuse me if it has indeed come up. but has anyone thought about the correlation between the numbers and the periodic table of elements?

4 = Be - Beryllium
8 = O - Oxygen
15 = P - Phosphorus
16 = S - Sulfur
23 = V - Vanadium
42 = Mo - Molybdenum
108 = Hs - Hassium

Be O P S V Mo Hs

following info from wikipedia:

4 - Beryllium: Beryllium has one of the highest melting points of the light metals. The modulus of elasticity of beryllium is approximately 1/3 greater than that of steel. It has excellent thermal conductivity, is nonmagnetic and resists attack by concentrated nitric acid. It is highly permeable to X-rays, and neutrons are liberated when it is hit by alpha particles, as from radium or polonium (about 30 neutrons/million alpha particles). At standard temperature and pressures beryllium resists oxidation when exposed to air (although its ability to scratch glass is probably due to the formation of a thin layer of the oxide).

8 - Oxygen: At standard temperature and pressure, oxygen is mostly found as a gas consisting of a diatomic molecule with the chemical formula O2. O2 has two energetic forms:-
The low-energy predominant single-bonded diradical triplet oxygen. This native diradical quality of oxygen contributes to its destructive chemical nature. This form is stabilized by the degeneracy effect.
The high-energy double-bonded molecule singlet oxygen. Oxygen is a major component of air, produced by plants during photosynthesis, and is necessary for aerobic respiration in animals. The word oxygen derives from two words in Greek, οξυς (oxys) (acid, sharp) and γεινομαι (geinomai) (engender). The name "oxygen" was chosen because, at the time it was discovered in the late 18th century, it was believed that all acids contained oxygen. The definition of acid has since been revised to not require oxygen in the molecular structure. Liquid O2 and solid O2 have a light blue color and both are highly paramagnetic. Liquid O2 is usually obtained by the fractional distillation of liquid air. Liquid and solid O3 (ozone) have a deeper color of blue. A recently discovered allotrope of oxygen, tetraoxygen (O4), is a deep red solid that is created by pressurizing O2 to the order of 20 GPa. Its properties are being studied for use in rocket fuels and similar applications, as it is a much more powerful oxidizer than either O2 or O3.

15 - Phosphorus: Common phosphorus forms a waxy white solid that has a characteristic disagreeable smell. Pure forms of the element are colorless and transparent. This non metal is not soluble in water, but it is soluble in carbon disulfide. Pure phosphorus ignites spontaneously in air and burns to phosphorus pentoxide.

16 - Sulfur: At room temperature, sulfur is a soft bright yellow solid. Although sulfur is infamous for its smell - frequently compared to rotten eggs - the odor is actually characteristic of hydrogen sulfide (H2S); elemental sulfur is odorless. It burns with a blue flame that emits sulfur dioxide, notable for its peculiar suffocating odor. Sulfur is insoluble in water but soluble in carbon disulfide and other nonpolar solvents. Common oxidation states of sulfur include −2, +2, +4 and +6. Sulfur forms stable compounds with all elements except the noble gases. Sulfur in the solid state ordinarily exists as a cyclic crown-shaped S8 molecules. Sulfur has many allotropes besides S8. Removing one atom from the crown gives S7, which is responsible for sulfur's distinctive yellow color. Many other rings have been prepared, including S12 and S18. By contrast, its lighter neighbor oxygen only exists in two states of chemical significance: O2 and O3. Selenium, the heavier analogue of sulfur can form rings but is more often found as a polymer chain. The crystallography of sulfur is complex. Depending on the specific conditions, the sulfur allotropes form several distinct crystal structures, with rhombic and monoclinic S8 best known. A noteworthy property is that the viscosity of molten sulfur, unlike most other liquids, increases with temperature due to the formation of polymer chains. Amorphous or "plastic" sulfur can be produced through the rapid cooling of molten sulfur. X-ray crystallography studies show that the amorphous form may have a helical structure with eight atoms per turn. This form is metastable at room temperature and gradually reverts back to crystalline form. This process happens within a matter of hours to days but can be rapidly catalyzed by human saliva.

23 - Vanadium: Vanadium is a soft and ductile, bright white metal. It has good resistance to corrosion by alkalis, sulfuric and hydrochloric acid. It oxidizes readily at about 933 K. Vanadium has good structural strength and a low fission neutron cross section, making it useful in nuclear applications. Although definitely a metal, it shares with Chromium and Manganese the property of having valency oxides with acid properties. Common oxidation states of vanadium include +2, +3, +4 and +5. A popular experiment with ammonium vanadate (NH4VO3), reducing the compound with zinc metal, can demonstrate colorimetrically all four of these vanadium oxidation states. A +1 oxidation state is also rarely seen.

42 - Molybdenum: Molybdenum is a transition metal. The pure metal is silvery white in color and very hard, and has one of the highest melting points of all pure elements. In small quantities, molybdenum is effective at hardening steel. Molybdenum is important in plant nutrition, and is found in certain enzymes, including xanthine oxidase.

108 - Hassium: It was first synthesized in 1984 by a German research team led by Peter Armbruster and Gottfried Münzenberg at the Institute for Heavy Ion Research at Darmstadt. The name hassium was proposed by them, derived from the Latin name for the German state of Hessen where the institute is located. There was an element naming controversy as to what the elements from 101 to 109 were to be called; thus IUPAC adopted unniloctium (symbol Uno) as a temporary, systematic element name for this element. In 1994 a committee of IUPAC recommended that element 108 be named hahnium. The name hassium was adopted internationally, however, in 1997.







this will probably just confuse me even more....

I want to add to this: the text on the bottle starts with CR - the metal Chrome/Chromium, which has atomic number 24

[Pepper1o1]

so the actuall number 108 never has been mentioned :P

1+0+8 = 9
9 upside down equals 6
6 is the devils number!

It hasn't been "mentioned" per se, but the number 108 is painted in the mural/cave painting in the hatch :-)

[robweber2]

so the actuall number 108 never has been mentioned :P

1+0+8 = 9
9 upside down equals 6
6 is the devils number!
well, it wasn't mentioned, but it was onscreen. on the mural.

the text on the bottle starts with CR - the metal Chrome/Chromium, which has atomic number 24
hmmm... gonna have to do some more research...

GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pepper1o1]

I want to add to this: the text on the bottle starts with CR - the metal Chrome/Chromium, which has atomic number 24

Hmm that is possible but I highly doubt this person is injecting himself with Chromium :-)

On the other hand, two other possibilities for the CR are:

1. Contrast Reagent - something normally injected into a person about to take an MRI in order to be able to visualize organs and things clearly (this is unlikely :-))

2. Controlled Release - Many drugs have the suffix CR meaning Controlled Release, which basically means that it is slow-acting so you have to take it less often. (more likely)

I work in the vaccine industry and am unaware of anything using the acronym CR that deals with vaccines, but will keep my eye out :-)

[Purgatory]

Did anyone try to call this number? Maybe there is someone at the and who just waits for a call to present you the end :)
(4815162342 everybody try this in your homecountry :D )

[Spigot]

9 times 12: Both of these numbers have been said to have spiritual significance in many traditions. 9 times 12 is 108. Also, 1 plus 8 equals 9. That 9 times 12 equals 108.

Powers of 1, 2, and 3 in math: 1 to 1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108

Desires: There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.

Lies: There are said to be 108 lies that humans tell.

Delusions: There are said to be 108 human delusions or forms of ignorance.

Heart Chakra: The chakras are the intersections of energy lines, and there are said to be a total of 108 energy lines converging to form the heart chakra. One of them, sushumna leads to the crown chakra, and is said to be the path to Self-realization.

Sanskrit alphabet: There are 54 letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. Each has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti. 54 times 2 is 108.

Pranayama: If one is able to be so calm in meditation as to have only 108 breaths in a day, enlightenment will come.

Upanishads: Some say there are 108 Upanishads, texts of the wisdom of the ancient sages.

Sri Yantra: On the Sri Yantra there are marmas where three lines intersect, and there are 54 such intersections. Each intersections has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti qualities. 54 times 2 equals 108. Thus, there are 108 points that define the Sri Yantra as well as the human body.

Pentagon: The angle formed by two adjacent lines in a pentagon equals 108 degrees.

Marmas: Marmas or marmasthanas are like energy intersections called chakras, except have fewer energy lines converging to form them. There are said to be 108 marmas in the subtle body.

Time: Some say there are 108 feelings, with 36 related to the past, 36 related to the present, and 36 related to the future.

8 extra beads: In doing a practice of counting the number of repetitions of the mala, 100 are counted as completed. The remaining are said to cover errors or omissions. The 8 are also said to be an offering to God and Guru.

Chemistry: Interestingly, there are about 115 elements known on the periodic table of the elements. Most of those, around or higher than the number 100 only exist in the laboratory, and some for only thousandths of a second. The number that naturally exist on Earth is around 100.

Astrology: There are 12 constellations, and 9 arc segments called namshas or chandrakalas. 9 times 12 equals 108. Chandra is moon, and kalas are the divisions within a whole.

River Ganga: The sacred River Ganga spans a longitude of 12 degrees (79 to 91), and a latitude of 9 degrees (22 to 31). 12 times 9 equals 108.

Planets and Houses: In astrology, there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.

Goddess names: There are said to be 108 Indian goddess names.

Gopis of Krishna: In the Krishna tradition, there were said to be 108 gopis or maid servants of Krishna.

1, 0, and 8: Some say that 1 stands for God or higher Truth, 0 stands for emptiness or completeness in spiritual practice, and 8 stands for infinity or eternity.

Sun and Earth: The diameter of the Sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth. The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 108 times the diameter of the Sun.

Moon and Earth: The average distance of the Moon from the Earth is 108 times the diameter of the Moon.

Silver and the moon: In astrology, the metal silver is said to represent the moon. The atomic weight of silver is 108.

Numerical scale: The 1 of 108, and the 8 of 108, when added together equals 9, which is the number of the numerical scale, i.e. 1, 2, 3 ... 10, etc., where 0 is not a number.

Meditations: Some say there are 108 styles of meditation.

Breath: Tantra estimates the average number of breaths per day at 21,600, of which 10,800 are solar energy, and 10,800 are lunar energy. Multiplying 108 by 100 is 10,800. Multiplying 2 x 10,800 equals 21,600.

Paths to God: Some suggest that there are 108 paths to God.

Smaller divisions: The number 108 is divided, such as in half, third, quarter, or twelfth, so that some malas have 54, 36, 27, or 9 beads.

Hinduism: 108 is said to refer to the number of Hindu deities. Some say that each of the deities has 108 names.

Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.

Jain: In the Jain religion, 108 are the combined virtues of five categories of holy ones, including 12, 8, 36, 25, and 27 virtues respectively.

Sikh: The Sikh tradition has a mala of 108 knots tied in a string of wool, rather than beads.

Buddhism: Some Buddhists carve 108 small Buddhas on a walnut for good luck. Some ring a bell 108 times to celebrate a new year.

Chinese: The Chinese Buddhists and Taoists use a 108 bead mala, which is called su-chu, and has three dividing beads, so the mala is divided into three parts of 36 each.

Stages of the soul: Said that Atman, the human soul or center goes through 108 stages on the journey.

Meru: This is a larger bead, not part of the 108. It is not tied in the sequence of the other beads. It is the quiding bead, the one that marks the beginning and end of the mala.

Dance: There are 108 forms of dance in the Indian traditions.

Praiseworthy souls: There are 108 qualities of praiseworthy souls.

- http://swamij.com/108.htm

[Androo]

108 is very much a number used in Buddhist traditions. There are said to be 108 virtues and 108 defilements; though I do not know if there is a list anywhere. Buddhists ring a bell 108 times each year to bring them good luck, and there are supposedly 108 people who have acheived nirvana but chose to stay on Earth.

But really, it's just a number, and I have no idea how Hurley's numbers relate to it.

[Hungry Joe]

Number 4 says "Who is the Giver of boons"

Number 8 says "Who nourishes the sustains pious people "

Number 15 says "Who is Glory Personified"

Number 16 says "Who is the Embodiment of Shiva"

Number 23 says "Who is the inner Atma in all"

Number 42 says "Who is solely devoted to protecting the people"

Very interesting.

[lost/wwe fan]

I like the idea of 108 sins. This would go with Sun's idea that they're being punished for their past lives. Maybe if you add up all the sins that everyone on the island has commited it will expand to 108 sins. I think this would be a good explanation but I don't have a clue why it is painted onto the wall.

[Glassball]

I don't like the theory that there there for what they did in the past. I mean, they're not the only people who sin in the world. There's people who did much worse. And if you think that it doesn't matter if someone did worse, then still.. why them? It can't be because they're being punished when everyone sins in the world.. What do you think?

[ericcoaster]

diddo glassball

[Count2Five]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already- someone peobably has, but just in case: when you add up all the numbers it equels 108.

4+8+15+16+23+42=108

Also, in the episode where Kate breaks into the bank for the safety deposit box, she demands box "815" be opened!

[Amar]

Will someone kindly enough show a pic/cap of the mural where the numbers 42 and 108 are? It would be greatly appreciated. :)

[wcupmartin6]

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=438

Here's a fine shot of the mural. oddly enouhj there is also a 42 in the mural, but no other numbers. I also think I remember seeing 2 '108's in the mural.

[Spigot]

Another interesting link. http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html

4 is the smallest number of colors sufficient to color all planar maps.
8 is the largest cube in the Fibonacci sequence.
15 is the smallest composite number n with the property that there is only one group of order n.
16 is the only number of the form xy = yx with x and y different integers.
23 is the smallest number of integer-sided boxes that tile a box so that no two boxes share a common length.
42 is the 5th Catalan number.

[ericcoaster]

Another interesting link. http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html

4 is the smallest number of colors sufficient to color all planar maps.
8 is the largest cube in the Fibonacci sequence.
15 is the smallest composite number n with the property that there is only one group of order n.
16 is the only number of the form xy = yx with x and y different integers.
23 is the smallest number of integer-sided boxes that tile a box so that no two boxes share a common length.
42 is the 5th Catalan number.

isn't "xy=yx where x and y are different integers" always true?

[Vintern]

isn't "xy=yx where x and y are different integers" always true?

As good as i know xy=yx are true for both real and complex numbers.. when we're starting to talk about matrixes it might not be true, but I'm pretty sure that it works with all the lost-numbers =)

[Firebreak]

For those asking, 108 is the sum of "The numbers"
4+8+15+16+23+42=108

EDIT: Curious, since we found out about the lottery winnings in season 1, how many people have:

1) Not thought about this when picking lottery numbers
2) Used these numbers for lottery tickets
3) Avoided using these numbers for lottery tickets

I haven't played lottery much, but this occurs to me whenever I do. I haven't used the numbers though. Part of me says "It's just a TV show, the numbers mean nothing in the real world", another parts says "What if I win!?!?".

haha

[Amar]

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=438

Here's a fine shot of the mural. oddly enouhj there is also a 42 in the mural, but no other numbers. I also think I remember seeing 2 '108's in the mural.

Thanks dude!

[Cooter]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned...

But 108 is probably the number of days one of the occupants has been in the hatch. Maybe they are down there for a specific number of days or months before they are rotated out. I mean, it is obvious someone is counting something, we see the hash marks. Just like people in jail, they count the number of days. I mean wouldn't living underground in that thing be like being imprisoned.

[Cooter]

You know, I was thinking about something...

The string of numbers isn't random. They are increasing. There total is 108. 108 appears in the sun. The string of numbers stops at 42. 42 also appears on the mural. Some one is counting something on the mural... Did anyone get a actual total for the hash marks? Could the string of numbers be the number of days before something has to be done? Four days after initial hatch entry inject yourself with medicine, 8 days later, inject again. After 108 days you can see the sun again. Just a thought.

[vicco188]

As good as i know xy=yx are true for both real and complex numbers.. when we're starting to talk about matrixes it might not be true, but I'm pretty sure that it works with all the lost-numbers =)

Well, I guess what he ment was

x^y = y^x => (x , y) = (2 , 4) or (4 , 2)

2^4 = 16

4^2=16

[faith1998]

9 times 12: Both of these numbers have been said to have spiritual significance in many traditions. 9 times 12 is 108. Also, 1 plus 8 equals 9. That 9 times 12 equals 108.

Powers of 1, 2, and 3 in math: 1 to 1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108

Desires: There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.

Lies: There are said to be 108 lies that humans tell.

Delusions: There are said to be 108 human delusions or forms of ignorance.

Heart Chakra: The chakras are the intersections of energy lines, and there are said to be a total of 108 energy lines converging to form the heart chakra. One of them, sushumna leads to the crown chakra, and is said to be the path to Self-realization.

Sanskrit alphabet: There are 54 letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. Each has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti. 54 times 2 is 108.

Pranayama: If one is able to be so calm in meditation as to have only 108 breaths in a day, enlightenment will come.

Upanishads: Some say there are 108 Upanishads, texts of the wisdom of the ancient sages.

Sri Yantra: On the Sri Yantra there are marmas where three lines intersect, and there are 54 such intersections. Each intersections has masculine and feminine, shiva and shakti qualities. 54 times 2 equals 108. Thus, there are 108 points that define the Sri Yantra as well as the human body.

Pentagon: The angle formed by two adjacent lines in a pentagon equals 108 degrees.

Marmas: Marmas or marmasthanas are like energy intersections called chakras, except have fewer energy lines converging to form them. There are said to be 108 marmas in the subtle body.

Time: Some say there are 108 feelings, with 36 related to the past, 36 related to the present, and 36 related to the future.

8 extra beads: In doing a practice of counting the number of repetitions of the mala, 100 are counted as completed. The remaining are said to cover errors or omissions. The 8 are also said to be an offering to God and Guru.

Chemistry: Interestingly, there are about 115 elements known on the periodic table of the elements. Most of those, around or higher than the number 100 only exist in the laboratory, and some for only thousandths of a second. The number that naturally exist on Earth is around 100.

Astrology: There are 12 constellations, and 9 arc segments called namshas or chandrakalas. 9 times 12 equals 108. Chandra is moon, and kalas are the divisions within a whole.

River Ganga: The sacred River Ganga spans a longitude of 12 degrees (79 to 91), and a latitude of 9 degrees (22 to 31). 12 times 9 equals 108.

Planets and Houses: In astrology, there are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 times 9 equals 108.

Goddess names: There are said to be 108 Indian goddess names.

Gopis of Krishna: In the Krishna tradition, there were said to be 108 gopis or maid servants of Krishna.

1, 0, and 8: Some say that 1 stands for God or higher Truth, 0 stands for emptiness or completeness in spiritual practice, and 8 stands for infinity or eternity.

Sun and Earth: The diameter of the Sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth. The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 108 times the diameter of the Sun.

Moon and Earth: The average distance of the Moon from the Earth is 108 times the diameter of the Moon.

Silver and the moon: In astrology, the metal silver is said to represent the moon. The atomic weight of silver is 108.

Numerical scale: The 1 of 108, and the 8 of 108, when added together equals 9, which is the number of the numerical scale, i.e. 1, 2, 3 ... 10, etc., where 0 is not a number.

Meditations: Some say there are 108 styles of meditation.

Breath: Tantra estimates the average number of breaths per day at 21,600, of which 10,800 are solar energy, and 10,800 are lunar energy. Multiplying 108 by 100 is 10,800. Multiplying 2 x 10,800 equals 21,600.

Paths to God: Some suggest that there are 108 paths to God.

Smaller divisions: The number 108 is divided, such as in half, third, quarter, or twelfth, so that some malas have 54, 36, 27, or 9 beads.

Hinduism: 108 is said to refer to the number of Hindu deities. Some say that each of the deities has 108 names.

Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.

Jain: In the Jain religion, 108 are the combined virtues of five categories of holy ones, including 12, 8, 36, 25, and 27 virtues respectively.

Sikh: The Sikh tradition has a mala of 108 knots tied in a string of wool, rather than beads.

Buddhism: Some Buddhists carve 108 small Buddhas on a walnut for good luck. Some ring a bell 108 times to celebrate a new year.

Chinese: The Chinese Buddhists and Taoists use a 108 bead mala, which is called su-chu, and has three dividing beads, so the mala is divided into three parts of 36 each.

Stages of the soul: Said that Atman, the human soul or center goes through 108 stages on the journey.

Meru: This is a larger bead, not part of the 108. It is not tied in the sequence of the other beads. It is the quiding bead, the one that marks the beginning and end of the mala.

Dance: There are 108 forms of dance in the Indian traditions.

Praiseworthy souls: There are 108 qualities of praiseworthy souls.

- http://swamij.com/108.htm

Wow.....I had no clue 108 was such a powerful number......thanks for that list!

[Leper]

I'd focus more on the scientific side of 108, I doubt they'd offend people and go the religious route, I'd be totally bummed if this turned into some religious happy crappy encounter, remember people this isn't REAL, its HOLLYWOOD!

[faith1998]

Yes it is Hollywood. But it's fun to wonder the meanings of everything from the show...the numbers...the names. Everything the writers use seems to have some meaning, not just being pulled from random. But yes, Leper, you are right, this isn't real, it's just entertainment.

[robweber2]

yeah, i hope they steer clear of the religious thing. faith is different. faith =/= religion.

[henryporter]

The only religious issues they ever steer clear of are Judeo-Christian, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, even Islam are all pretty much fair game as they don't offend majority-america and have just enough mystery to be ambiguous.

[wcupmartin6]

You could be on to something. I just noticed that the mural has the word OUT on it. Just to lower right of the sun. But, how could somrthing that vast be buried in 108 days? That hatch and living space has benn there for a long, long time. It is big and there is a ton of growth on the land above it. Trees and whatnot don't grow overnight.

[Shomperlen]

Number 4 says "Who is the Giver of boons"

Number 8 says "Who nourishes the sustains pious people "

Number 15 says "Who is Glory Personified"

Number 16 says "Who is the Embodiment of Shiva"

Number 23 says "Who is the inner Atma in all"

Number 42 says "Who is solely devoted to protecting the people"

Wasn't there some talk right after the "Numbers" episode that the numbers might refer to passenger seat numbers on the plan? If that's true, maybe the passengers in these seat numbers correspond to the personalities described here ...

[Mojave]

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=438

Here's a fine shot of the mural. oddly enouhj there is also a 42 in the mural, but no other numbers. I also think I remember seeing 2 '108's in the mural.

There's also a 16 on the mural as well as a 5 (perhaps the 1 is there, but I don't see it).

[robweber2]

There's also a 16 on the mural as well as a 5 (perhaps the 1 is there, but I don't see it).
i think what looks to be 16 is actually 10. i believe the stem of the "six" is part of the sun. anyone agree?

[robweber2]

just had another thought...

the one and zero could relate to binary code and the eight could be interpreted as "infinity."




edit: also just thought... Desmond is an anagram for "mend DOS"

[1966]

on the mural, if you watch the episode closely versus relying on a singular screen shot you do see the 15 right before what appears to be a 16. the 16 upon closer inspection is actually 108 with the line from the sun connecting to the 0 to make it look like 16.

[Sayid_Fan]

just had another thought...

the one and zero could relate to binary code and the eight could be interpreted as "infinity."




edit: also just thought... Desmond is an anagram for "mend DOS"

I still like the thought of 108 being Hurley's Numbers all added together. At first I thought it was his plane that crashed (silly, no?).

Forigve my ignorance, but what's 'mend DOS' mean? I know that DOS is the type of computer where you have to type in everything (just like Desmond's with the Curser of Doom)

[Roanna]

I still like the thought of 108 being Hurley's Numbers all added together. At first I thought it was his plane that crashed (silly, no?).

Forigve my ignorance, but what's 'mend DOS' mean? I know that DOS is the type of computer where you have to type in everything (just like Desmond's with the Curser of Doom)

DOS stands for disk operating system. hence, mend ...

[Rez]

However that wasnt DOS. Probably a UNIX based system considering it was an old Apple IIgs.

[wcupmartin6]

i think what looks to be 16 is actually 10. i believe the stem of the "six" is part of the sun. anyone agree?
Look again at the 10 that you see, and after it is an eight. the number 108 is on the mural twice.

[robweber2]

Look again at the 10 that you see, and after it is an eight. the number 108 is on the mural twice.
okay, wow. i see it now. but i don't see a 1 in front of the 5. am i still missing it?

[wcupmartin6]

okay, wow. i see it now. but i don't see a 1 in front of the 5. am i still missing it?
where is the 5?
Is that it next to the house? vaugely.

[robweber2]

where is the 5?
Is that it next to the house? vaugely.
right to the left of the 108 not in the sun.

[longing_for_lost]

wow this is a really interesting thread. everyone is so smart!

didn't know 108 could mean so many things! thanks everyone for the info!

[Roanna]

I just went on wikipedia to look up 108 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29) and guess what I found amongst a list of the importance of the number...



haha :D
I thought I'd just share that with you all...

that's GREAT!!!

:crackup:

PS how weird, the actual post shows in the blank space above "a number important to the TV show LOST" or words to that effect, but it didn't come in when I quoted it? How weird is that?

[vannilesoep]

A big shot:
I heard the numbers 3, 12 and 108 for the solution of 'the numbers'

108/12/3=3 Dunno if it means ANYTHING, just tought it could be important (or just luck...) :)

[MOMAtteo79]

I noticed that when desmond trains doing two different types of "push-ups" in total we see 8 of them

[someshine]

Have any of you looked in the bible? in the international version of the bible, the 8th chapter of the 1st book (108) is about the Noah's arch and the sin flood. Could that have anything to do with it?? havent they been there for 40 days? in the story about the flood, the water keeps coming for 40 days.. could that be something to tie together??

link to the online bible: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=8&version=31

just my little thought.

[Nemesis]

the last number on the hatch wasn't 42.
It was 4?...
It could be the amount of survivers.
And all the counting with the numbers would make no more sense?

[Reddy]

When Locke did a reset on the computer, the calendar went to 108.

[In The Hatch]

why do we have to get all biblical. Maybe 108 doesnt mean anything. Maybe the numbers dont mean anything. Maybe the writers have been tricking us the whole time. Maybe.....

[Androo]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this, but ...

Yuri Gagarin, in 1961, took a "trip around the world", as the first human in space, and did a single orbit around the Earth which took exactly 108 minutes.

Does it match up with what we know about Desmond? Not really. But interesting nonetheless.

[robweber2]

why do we have to get all biblical. Maybe 108 doesnt mean anything. Maybe the numbers dont mean anything. Maybe the writers have been tricking us the whole time. Maybe.....
i agree on the Biblical thing. but as for the numbers, i'd be pretty pissed (and i'm not easily upet, mind you) if the numbers turned out to be nothing. why spend so much time and effort on them if they don't mean anything? with the build up they've had, i'm sure i'm not the only one who would be angry.

[shred]

However that wasnt DOS. Probably a UNIX based system considering it was an old Apple IIgs.

Ah, good old UNIX...takes me back. UNIX was used extensively in the academic world. I wonder if Desmond

[Jepson]

where is the 5?
Is that it next to the house? vaugely.

IMHO, it's not a five. It looks more like a naive version of the bird in the Dharma logo..

[Colonel_Kurtz]

why do we have to get all biblical. Maybe 108 doesnt mean anything. Maybe the numbers dont mean anything. Maybe the writers have been tricking us the whole time. Maybe.....

Number 108 is a "sacred" number in many religions. Have a look at these two links :

http://www.answers.com/topic/108
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/misc/why108.html

[brb8y215]

did anyone take the time to think that 8 + 15 = 23? Apparently 23 holds significance this season, can anyone offer help on this?

[Top Cat]

108 has something to do with the sun, on the wallpainting the number is in the center of the sun.

On the wallpainting there is also a number of houses, people and fishes visible and of course there is that big arrow. I also spot a screaming woman (clearly visible on the screencap) and a man behind her (IMO he is black, could that be Michael???)

On the bottom of the painting the word: SICK is written.

http://x1.putfile.com/10/27509155262.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)

On next screencap I pointed out the area where the "black man" is located. It is hard to see on screencap, but clearly vissible in movement. It is also vissible on the above:

http://x1.putfile.com/10/27509252719.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)

[Top Cat]

Could this be it:

108 treatments (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15740)

[dharmas bananna]

I just think it's cute that they put 815 in the numbers side by side. :crackup:

[Razor]

108 has something to do with the sun, on the wallpainting the number is in the center of the sun.


If you try Googling sun and 108 minutes (as I did) ... you'll get a lot of "hits" on satellites and sun-synchronous orbits. Perhaps that is why Desmond (now our heroes) must enter the code during the four (4) minute countdown, it may be the only time the satellite is in a place in the sky where it is within range to receive a transmission. :cool::D

[Roanna]

and then there's that fish, which some of us may think has one meaning, but for some of us grown up punk rockers, that fish means only one thing -- a wonderful San Francisco punk band called FLIPPER!!!! RIP Will Shatter and Flipper

you either loved them or you hated them, but if you loved them you LOVED them!

[Thurisaz]

[where is the 5?
Is that it next to the house? vaugely.


IMHO, it's not a five. It looks more like a naive version of the bird in the Dharma logo..]

It is a five. I mean: if anyone wanted to draw the Dharma-birdie-thing than he would have opted for something more snakelike wouldnt he? Even kids can tell something more round and s-like from a 5 with an egde in it.

[Jamaster14]

right to the left of the 108 not in the sun.


thats not a 5. its a semi circle. the top part that makes it look like a 5 is actualyl the chimney of the house just to the left of that

[tiranx]

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42

Lets think about if the numbers are the minutes which are happening in sequence.

Maybe in the 4th minute after reseting (108) the counter somethig happens that we are not awared. So in the 8th, 15th, 16th, 23th, 42nd too.

There may be different sectors, so in this sectors some jobs may be triggered in these minutes.

JUST GUESSING

:confused:

[Jordan17]

Maybe 108 doesnt mean anything. Maybe the numbers dont mean anything. Maybe.....

in a future episode, Hurley actually finds out the meaning of the numbers.

[phill]

i thought there were 7 sins

howd we get to 108


7 deadly, presumably the other 101 are not deadly.:o

[Boone_lover]

I had actually noticed the number 108 painted on the wall in the Hatch alongside 16 and presumably a few of the others when Jack went down there and my immediate reaction was "What do the numbers add up to?" And lo-and-behold! I thin it will become like the 7th number. Mentally, i've already added 108 to the list along with 4, 8 etc etc.

Its very exciting to have something new crop up wth the numbers if you ask me because since we found out about them (1x18 "Numbers") we haven't learnt anything new about them, we've just gone into past episodes and found them but they were technically there already.

One of the most exciting discoveries in this episode.

[xxGoneforeverxx]

108 sins?

[cunning stunt]

something kinda freaky goin along with adding the numbers together

4x8x15x16x23x42 = 7418880
7+4+1+8+8+80=108 :shock:

[rantz]

something kinda freaky goin along with adding the numbers together

4x8x15x16x23x42 = 7418880
7+4+1+8+8+80=108 :shock:

WHOA! I would have never figured that out. That is a huge discovery!

[Errevet]

108, what was it again?
this is shurely interesting :w00t:

[Jennybabz]

not sure if anyone else has said this but 4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108

[simply_sweet_x42]

yeah, no offense, but everyone has known that for a while. :)

[FOXYsbiggestfan]

something kinda freaky goin along with adding the numbers together

4x8x15x16x23x42 = 7418880
7+4+1+8+8+80=108 :shock:

I would have NEVER figured that out:eek:

[kaseysgurl09]

in a future episode, Hurley actually finds out the meaning of the numbers.

Which episode? :confused: