sunlight in hatch

[jessepea]

anyone else notice/have an expanation for the sunlight coming through the windows of desmond's place at the beginning?

Maybe the bright light that shines up later, but nothing was shining out of the hatch at this point

[freakydeakydutch]

i was wondering about it too

[soxnation21]

whats weird was the fact the light was there when he was doing whatever, then the hatch blew. I thought though they blew the hatch at night, so how was there sun light?

[jessepea]

and the fact that he's underground

[Firebreak]

I believe Jack bumped in to the very spotlight that created this when he was down there didn't he?

[foudiddy7]

Yeah he did, when it is turned on, it would reflect off the mirror at the bottom of the shaft, and shine up through the hatch window.

[UConnBigO]

no way, the spotlight that went on when kate was going down there was really bright and white, and the light in his apartment thing was more natural and yellow, it could be he has fake windows with fake light to make him feel less isolated so he doesnt go nuts down there, but he looks pretty nutty to me, I do think that will be the best explanation for the light, its fake to make him feel like hes living in the outside world

[Firebreak]

The spotlight is a very bright light, it was bright and white (Well a little bluish) when Jack bumped into it. The yellow lighting you refer to I think is just the other lighting down there. (Not the spotlight)

He bumped into the thing, they had a closeup of this spotlight. It can be nothing else really. I'm guessing you must have missed that part because it was very obvious.

Fire

[gpas34]

i think that the mirrors (sole purpose) that were angled down and through the hatch were just specifically used to catch the sun rays from the out side so it may reflect in to Desmond's bunker.. I think that with enough mirrors that are hit with a bright light can combine enough reflection to make it look so so much brighter..especially if they all angle in one spot... I dunno?..what do u guys think? And i think Desmond was ok for a while when ever he decided to move in, but didn't calculate the fact of vegitation blocking out the light.. so i guess when that happened maybe for some years or so he became a bit nutty?... any suggestions.. hope i make sense... which would make me think Desmond is some wacked out Scientist who has or had a family fortune of enormouse wealth that he was able to create that bunker... and oh wait ... i think maybe the Other's could have been the workers who built it for him but they all got stuck on the island....?...sorry i rambled there and got off the subject..so again what do u guys think?

[jessepea]

check the posting i just made on the begins and ends w/same letter thread, it relates to this

[lostfan29]

Does anyone have any theories on how Desmund was involved in Jack's wife's amazing recovery? Now we know of two people who have had 'miracles' related to regaining the ability to walk after paralysis. hmmm.....

[Frink]

Well it defiantly is artificial light. Most likely he is down there for a while and didn't want to get SADS (Seasonal Acquired Depression Syndrome). It is just probably generated by a lot of lights.

[...What?]

But is he really down there all the time? It looked like he had fresh food, didn't it? It seems like he must have outdoor access.

[James]

But is he really down there all the time? It looked like he had fresh food, didn't it? It seems like he must have outdoor access.

Yeah. Am I correct in thinking he used eggs?

[...What?]

Yeah. Am I correct in thinking he used eggs?

I thought he had too, but I just re-watched that part, and he uses some sort of powder and what looks like canned fruit.

So, I was wrong, he doesn't appear to have fresh fruit, but it still would mean that he planned to go to this island or has off island contact.

[WobblePot]

i think he has off island contact somewhere... cuz he does need to get new suplies there... i doubt he brought canned fruit for like 8 years... :P

[DogD]

Was the super bright light shooting out of the hatch when Kate was "captured" supposed to be coming from that little spotlight that jack saw when he went down? I mean that was an intense amount of light to be coming from a little bulb like that.

If indeed the mirrors are used to colelct sunlight (by opening the hatch?) perhaps there are many such hatches that direct the light to a central location. Maybe that was the source of the super bright beam?

Maybe the mirors are just used for keeping an eye on the hatch though?

[TLAWMAI]

I tell you one thing... he had the shiniest freakin' sink I've ever seen. Like it's barely been used, or it's kept immaculately clean all the time.

[Carrie123]

He used a load of washing up liquid too - seems like he doesn't feel he needs to save anything particularly - like he can order some more anytime

[Mahub]

1. The "sunlight" in the bunker is most likely artificial, to make the environment more comfortable for those living there (all ready explained in another post).

2. The mirror under the hatch is probably used to monitor the hatch without having to step under it, the reflection of light can be a side effect or a diversion for whoever might be coming down the shaft (blinding anyone looking down, but still allowing people down there to look up).

[nikos]

Island One was the Bernal sphere, an enclosed design (good for protecting against radiation), excepting the poles, which would be left open to allow mirrors to redirect sunlight from the outside to the interior of the colony.

The hatch is some kind of a colony

[karotte]

the windows were obvioulsy back lit because they shut off when dude turn all the lights off when they broke the hatch.

like danelle, desomnd has had many years to prepare for what my happen. the mirror were probably there for the exact purpose he used them for, to see up the hatch when it was broken in to.

[nikos]

the mirror were probably there for the exact purpose he used them for, to see up the hatch when it was broken in to.

I 100% disagree because it the mirrors were used as a security system, they would be set on one angle and not have all the control switches that control their movement etc...

Furthermore, Desmond could not get out of the hatch... till now In his mind, he could have thought he was going around the earth in the colony..

[Mahub]

I 100% disagree because it the mirrors were used as a security system, they would be set on one angle and not have all the control switches that control their movement etc...

Furthermore, Desmond could not get out of the hatch... till now In his mind, he could have thought he was going around the earth in the colony..

He never moved any mirrors, what he did move was a periscope, that allowed him to monitor movement in the corridors. They might have had a reflective lens, but it was a periscope and it was for monitoring different parts of the complex (indicated by the cuts and the actions of Desmond).

I am pretty sure the mirror under the hatch is used to check the hatch without stepping under it, with the added bonus of reflecting sunlight into the bunker when it finds its way down from above.

[karotte]

Furthermore, Desmond could not get out of the hatch... till now In his mind, he could have thought he was going around the earth in the colony..


huh? colony? please explain...

[nikos]

huh? colony? please explain...

Around 1975 (Space Settlements, A Design Study, NASA SP-413) and 1977 Summer Studies (Space Resources and Space Settlements, NASA SP-428), NASA did research on space colonies.


from islandone.org and http://www.wisegeek.com/what-types-of-space-colonies-have-been-proposed.htm

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Proposed space colonies can be broken down into three general categories; colonies on satellites or asteroids, colonies on other planets (though one might not consider these "space colonies", per se), and entirely artificial space colonies.

Science fiction writers have discussed these possibilities almost since the beginning of the craft itself. For example, in 1869, Edward Everett Hale wrote The Brick Moon, a story about an artificial space station made from brick. In 1929, Dr. John Desmond Bernal conceived of the Bernal sphere, a rotating space colony with a diameter of approximately 15 kilometers (9.3 miles), filled with air and colonized around the equator, where the rotation of the colony would create centrifugal force to simulate Earth's gravity.

In the 60s and 70s, speculation and research into the possibility of space colonies experienced a renaissance, brought on by the Space Race. One of the most prominent thinkers participating in the design and advocacy of space colonies was Princeton physicist Gerard O'Neill, who in 1969 asked the provocative question, "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding technological civilization?" Throughout the 70s, O'Neill led workshops that investigated several proposed space colony designs in great detail. A NASA Summer Study in 1975 investigated three primary designs, dubbed Island One, Island Two, and Island Three. All three are based on the premise of a self-sustaining, artificial ecology within the station, called an arcology.

Island One was the Bernal sphere, an enclosed design (good for protecting against radiation), excepting the poles, which would be left open to allow mirrors to redirect sunlight from the outside to the interior of the colony. Island Two was the Stanford torus, a mile-wide torus spinning to produce artificial gravity on the inner side of the ring. The center of the torus could then serve as a convenient docking station for spacecraft approaching via the poles. Island Three was the O'Neill cylinder, a spinning tube designed to hold 10,000 people. This design is probably the most popular space colony portrayed in sci-fi.

Non-spinning designs are generally presented with the condition that humans and our supporting ecologies can adapt or be reengineered to function in continuous zero-gravity. This possibility is attractive because designs lacking the requirement of artificial gravity can take greater advantage of a given volume of space and material. Author Marshall T. Savage proposed the idea of inflatable bubbles in his book The Millenium Project, modular units that would use a skin of water for radiation shielding and be connected together in vast, open-ended networks. Instead of depending on human workers for fabrication and installation, advanced space colonies might employ advanced robotics to maintain space colonies and create new ones.

It is commonly acknowledged that space colonies will one day be created, whether for commercial, military, economic, or personal reasons. If space colonies possess the ability to produce new space colonies, and travel long distances to obtain resources for this purpose, the eventual result could be the colonization of the entirety of our inhabitable universe. This process would begin with the creation of the first self-sustaining space colony, an event many see as likely to happen before the year 2040.


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Now, I am not saying that this is exactly what the hatch is.... but it seems to me that the inside of the hatch is like a small part of a structure like the one described my NASA.. with mirrors, large tubes and strong magnets, nuclear poweres stations, even agricicultural centers in space...

What if Desmond, thinks he is out in space instead under the island?

What if the hatch was a lost TOP SECRET GOVERNMENT project that also got sucked in by the FORCE of the island...

If you remember the hatch also has the numbers on it... Maybe that happened to be the project #serial or something... and the reason why that recording was being repatative is because the hatch was stuck underground making the transmission for as long as it was underground with the generators providing power etc..

Desmond was a prisoner in a way inside his own hatch and there was no way of him to get out of there.. If you remember the quarantined door they blew up did not have a way to open from the inside..

Also the space suit he is wearing, makes this look more like a nasa project that went wrong etc...

I promise I don;t do drugs... just have a long commute every day :P

[UConnBigO]

okay, he definitely moved mirrors, which someone said they thought meant that there were a few hatches or places where people could break in, which I agree with, he had a full row of switches and would have his hand on one, then they showed a mirror mechanically rotate around, one of the type of mirrors that they show jack look right into, because he sees it moving

and theres no way the mirrors are also there to bring light into the place, do you remember how the hatch was found?

boone or locke dropped a flashlight and it hit metal. The hatch door was not only completely covered in a layer of mud and brush, but also under thick thick vegetation, theres no way light was getting down there

and i guess i forgot that he knew the people were trying to come in, because he did turn the light on to see who was out there when locke was banging on the window, since it was dark night and he didnt have a torch down the hatch, desmond would have to switch on his superlight to see locke in the window

[tommerp]

The hatch was buried, why would he have such an elaborate system for monitoring it? What would cause him concern to have to 1. light it up 2. have mirrors set up 3. have such a large cache of weapons, etc. I think he must have "expected" that his bunker may be breached at some point in time.
Also, has it been established that there was no way to exit the bunker through the hatch? We know that there was no way from the outside.

[Mahub]

Yes, whoever built the bunker realised it might be breached at some point. And considering the fact that Desmond responded quickly and decisively, he to expected this. And its almost as if he had drilled for it and prepared his actions in advance.

As for the hatch, some say there was no handle on the inside. We know for a fact that the ladder was broken though.

But in the end, it doesnt matter much. There are obviously multiple entry points into the bunker.

[sam2005]

I think we can say the light behind the blinds is artificial for no other reason than we see it shining while it's dark outside.

[evilyuffie]

well that's it i'm going to put blinds everywhere....
water can carry light extremely well you know. what if the quarters in the hatch are facing water close to the surface? i don't see the point in making guys feel comfortable with fake windows and wierd retro lighting.
what if the explosion and the disruption to desmond's quarters aren't linked? i know it pans up the hatch to locke etc looking in, but they've confused us with worse.
what if the trebuchet made by locke and boone had caused te disruption we saw at the beginning? that must have done something...
the dust falling looked like impact rather than explosive damage

[doodleman]

what if the trebuchet made by locke and boone had caused te disruption we saw at the beginning? that must have done something...
the dust falling looked like impact rather than explosive damage

the hatch thing is like miles away from the quarters so i dont think that little trebuchet metal smacking the hatch would've affected desmond's quarters

[soumya86]

Its not sunlight it has to be artificial because its nighttime outside the hatch!

[L0ST_ADDICT]

Or there is 2 different sets of the same survivors on diferent "time" . The others that Danielle mention she only heard and not saw May infact be themselves in a different time only hearing the echo of thier voices. the people on the boat who we assume are the " others" may be survivors of some other vehicle that crashed here too!

[kate-is-great]

He used a load of washing up liquid too - seems like he doesn't feel he needs to save anything particularly - like he can order some more anytime

I remember that those flip top bottles of dish liquid came out in the 1990's (at least here in Pennsylvania, USA) Did you notice all the fabric softener bottles (Downy) that were on the shelf by the very modern looking washer and dryer with the push buttons?
He seems to be getting shipments of everything but computer equipment.
Why does he have an adjustable office chair with 5 modern plastic casters on it?
Check out his nice suede boots.:p

[laminated]

Yeah the apartment clearly had modern things in it like the washing machines, chair etc, so Des is obviously in contact with people outside the hatch. This also must mean that the island is being visited by the deliverers of the products. I also noticed the fact that the sink was brand-new looking, as was the bike. I don't think it could be due to him / anyone else who lives there being obsessed with cleaning as that was the grubbiest keyboard I've ever seen! (or was it just tarnished due to age?) This is my first ever post btw, I'm sorry if I've put it in the wrong place or broken any rules!