Official Quarantine Thread

[Lostinlife3]

OMG HE WAS QUARANTINED!!!!!
he's sick and everyone on the island is gonna catch it and die!!!
lol no not really but thats so freaky!

[littlelostsoul]

but why is it like... all nice down there? like... all ...70's ish?

[papercutbleeds]

thats a good point... i mean i wonder why...

[Lostinlife3]

noticed all the albums, 70s like...any possibility the writers were trying to say the guy had been down there SINCE THE 70s??? that would be 30 years!!!

[leleana]

But what if the guy is keeping the island quarantined? Just an off the wall theory.

I'm totally loving the hatch right now XD

[Lostinlife3]

i thought the guy was Sawyer at first then i heard the boom and im like "he's in the hatch!!!!!" it was so cool!!!!!!!!!

[Firebreak]

Keep in mind everyone, that the word quarantine was on the *inside* of the hatch, this leads me to believe that it's safe in there and outside where the gang was is the quarantine.

Fire

[jessepea]

good point fire...and it was locked from the INSIDE

[andrewbash]

It said quarantine inside the hatch, which leads me to belive that the island is quarantined and the hatch is the safe zone.

[Eruaistaniel]

Yeah but Desmond looked different. Mad/Crazy...really creepy I felt ill. LOL.

But it would make sense that it's the island we need to worry about (like wow who woulda thought). :p

[stunnedtina]

what if he is one of those freaks of nature and is quarantineing himself to the world?

[Enigma-X]

Are there others in the hatch.. why mark the door quarantined? Does he need reminders?

[James]

noticed all the albums, 70s like...any possibility the writers were trying to say the guy had been down there SINCE THE 70s??? that would be 30 years!!!

Didn't he have an Apple II? That wasn't available to the public until 1977, so even if he got his early, it can't be from before 1976, since that's when the Apple I was invented.

[IamLOST922]

What I find interesting is that it looked like he was in an apartment or something. He had lots of electronic things and running water!! I like the point you guys made about the quarantine being written on the inside. Makes a lot of sense. I wonder if Desmond will just become like another Danielle. Everyone knows he's there but leave him alone.

[Lost Mirage]

Well, he definately had a computer and electronic equipment. However, they looked older (noticed the old school tape thingys), which would imply that they've been down there for a while? But not necessarily HIM.

[UConnBigO]

yeah i think he quarantined himself from the madness of the island, but how long ago do you think he saw jack in that flashback, jack isnt old enough to have seen him 30 years ago, but I think the fact that he plays a record is meant to show us that hes been there since before cds were widespread for sure, how the hell did he get there with a record player, dig a home into rock with pipes and running water???????

god i hope they have decent answers to these questions besides fate or miracle

[James]

yeah i think he quarantined himself from the madness of the island, but how long ago do you think he saw jack in that flashback, jack isnt old enough to have seen him 30 years ago, but I think the fact that he plays a record is meant to show us that hes been there since before cds were widespread for sure, how the hell did he get there with a record player, dig a home into rock with pipes and running water???????

god i hope they have decent answers to these questions besides fate or miracle

What does he do with his garbage? Where does he get laundry soap and magazines? Does he purchase Playboy for the articles?

[Glassball]

It said quarantine inside the hatch, which leads me to belive that the island is quarantined and the hatch is the safe zone.

If that hatch was the safe zone.. how come he was taking medication and had the mural saying "Eye M Sick"?? It doesn't make sense.

Also, if he took his medication for whatever reason it does, it means he's sick, and Jack, Locke, and Kate are down there. This doesn't look good but I believe Locke's right about the hatch and hope.


Edit: Maybe this guy isn't bad and can help them contact someone outside the island. Desmond might not be one of the others, he could have pulled the gun on Jack, Kate, and Locke because he thought they were the others...?

[LostSurvivors]

Sorry I'm only asking this because i didn't watch it yet. Why the ladder got broken?

[IllinoisPats23]

Did anyone else notice the font and color of the word Quarantine was different in the previews than in the 1st episode. The previews showed red or orange letters and the 1st episode they were all black. Don't know what this means, if there is another door somewhere or if the producers were playing with us.

[pftsobfreak]

Maybe it was just a trick of lights.

[Digits]

ok, so now i'm confused

if it said QUARANTINED on the inside of the hatch, and it was locked form the inside, why would desmond be taking the medicine/drugs??

maybe Desmond is the one who is sick..the sickness..but that still doesn't make sense why the island is locked away from him..

and all the 70's retro stuff??

so many questions, but i love it so much! what a good start to the season!

[pftsobfreak]

Maybe Desmond was taking a drug to prevent him from getting sick, like the vacination shots you get for the flu and Chicken Pox.

[elleesa]

Maybe the island was an earlier low-level nuclear testing site, and the radiation levels have dropped. There's no need for quarantine but he doesn't know it.

[Lostinlife3]

its possible but more than lickely he's fataly sick or somehting

[Addicted]

Ok. If Desmond quarantined himself from the island, why would you remove the bottom rungs from the ladder? The fact that the hatch was sealed from the inside and that the rungs were removed from the bottom of the ladder seem to contradict themselves.

[Lostinlife3]

Maybe Desmond wanted to remove temptation from himself and he removed the ladder on his own


P.S TO MODS: i started thsi thread last night so it was the first and original Quarantined thread.....i made sure lol

[sweetcerenity]

guys remember when danielle said the other people she was with got sick and died and she had to kill them....well maybe that's part of the quarentine

[Raven O'Reilly]

Making this the official thread.

If you find people making new Quarentine threads, please post a link to this one and then alert the mods of a duplicate thread.

Thank you.

[bibwis tolstarx]

I'm leaning toward Des being sick--esp with the injections--the ladder being removed would assure him not leaving the hatch to infect others. Just MO...

[Lostinlife3]

i thought at first...after we saw him working out on the Bike thing...that maybe the injections were steroids

[Flexus]

Looks like the island was under quarantine not the tunnel/biosphere...

[Lostinlife3]

Danielle said the members of her team got sick and she killed them....so that would fit in...yet that was 16 years ago!

i dont think Jack saw Desmond 16 years ago.....

and quarantine doesn't have two Es in it does it?

[Flexus]

The government quarantined off the island in the 70's after an experiment with a top secret underground supercollider located beneath the surface of the island opened up a cosmic wormhole which allowed a primitive but deadly alien presence to infect the island.

.....

and quarantine doesn't have two Es in it does it?


Not typically

[dustin]

Danielle said the members of her team got sick and she killed them....so that would fit in...yet that was 16 years ago!

i dont think Jack saw Desmond 16 years ago.....

I don't think that Danielle knows about Desmond. If so, and if she knew he was infected, why would she not stop Jack + Locke from blowing the hatch? If she knew Desmond was bad news, she would have went to great lengths to stop them from opening it.

I am not disagreeing that Desmond might be related to those who were "Sick" from Danielle's crew, but I dont believe that they have anything DIRECTLY to do with each other.

[Addicted]

Judging from how the mirrors were set up, it seems as though he had been waiting for a long time for people to enter. Does anyone have any ideas as to what magnetic device may have been attracting Jack's key? If it was a large magnetic, then what would have been its purpose? Also, why would Desmond have steroids in this underground chamer? What would the advantage of havign them be if there was no threat underneath the ground? Could they have been animal steroids that were used for testing and then Desmond and Ethan began taking them, which may have caused mental instability?

[Lostinlife3]

The government quarantined off the island in the 70's after an experiment with a top secret underground supercollider located beneath the surface of the island opened up a cosmic wormhole which allowed a primitive but deadly alien presence to infect the island.


that's a theory right?

[ImSoLost]

Addicted, a large electric motor has a strong magnetic field. Maybe air ventilators. Also, Desmond is VERY well armed down there. So, he, "they" obviously expected some kind of invasion at some time.

[Addicted]

His arsenal appears to be comprised mainly of hunting weapons though? Any idea what that large bubble like room was? There was all the computer equipment, but none of it looked familiar.

[Lostinlife3]

i think also Desmond has been in charge of the "monster"....

[DreamForDistance]

Does anyone have any ideas as to what magnetic device may have been attracting Jack's key? If it was a large magnetic, then what would have been its purpose?

What exactly it was or what it's purpose is I'm not ready to speculate on exactly, but the one thing it could explain is if it is causing a large enough magnetic disturbance that could account for all the things crashing on/near the island as it could interfere with compasses and guidance systems... now is this a side effect of whatever it is or is it the purpose itself?

Getting back to the original topic, I'm leaning towards the outside being quarantined (particularly given the sign being on the inside and it being locked from the inside) and Desmond taking the meds as a precautionary measure. I'm also thinking he may not necessarily be alone down there and there may be much more to what's down there than what we've seen thus far.

d4d

[Lostinlife3]

so if it was quarantined from the inside...then everyone outside...all the survivors have now caught some fatal disease???

[jeliza]

What if Desmond is highly dangerous, in that he has special powers so the government or someone had to exile him to an island and build a biome for him underground so he could survive. The government put this security system onto the island to make sure no one opened the hatch. In the finale episode for season one, Locke almost gets pulled down a hole by that thing. That thing (security system) was trying to get Locke because Locke was going to open the hatch.

Oh and maybe one of Desmonds special powers is to heal people? After he talked to Jack, the girl could move her toes.
Then before Locke got to the island, he was paralyzed from the waist down but when he got to the island, he wasn’t. Just a thought.

[LUKEYP]

What if Desmond is highly dangerous, in that he has special powers so the government or someone had to exile him to an island and build a biome for him underground so he could survive. The government put this security system onto the island to make sure no one opened the hatch. In the finale episode for season one, Locke almost gets pulled down a hole by that thing. That thing (security system) was trying to get Locke because Locke was going to open the hatch.

Oh and maybe one of Desmonds special powers is to heal people? After he talked to Jack, the girl could move her toes.
Then before Locke got to the island, he was paralyzed from the waist down but when he got to the island, he wasn’t. Just a thought.

If this turned out to be true I'd be really disappointed. I wouldn't want any Government to be involved on what has happened so far and what's due to happen in the future.

[ericcoaster]

Once again, we have to remember that the hatch was locked and quarantined from the inside. Desmond could have gotten out if he wanted to, and if he's related to the Others, he had access to the boat. So, obviously he knew he should stay inside. Also, he injected himself with stuff that had the numbers on the bottle, so i doubt the serum was steroids. Somebody else compaired this to the Andromeda Strain, and as soon as I saw QUARANTINE I thought about it. In the book, a plane flies over an infected city and all the rubber is disinigrated as well as the piot. I have a feeling the numbers could be the name of a virus. I don't know that the plane crashed because of it, but who really knows...gonna have to just wait until next wednesday!

[October Sky]

Maybe Desmond is quarantined, but as long as he takes the meds, he's all right..can go other places, off the island..but maybe something went wrong..now he can't get off..maybe he has someone helping him..the others, perhaps?

I'm thinking the hatch is quarantined but at one point the sickness leaked onto the island..

I originally thought 'quarantine' was on the inside..but wasn't that the hatch screen window thing beside it?

[Lostinlife3]

yea Quarantine was on the inside of the door

it coulda been a reminder to him that HE is actually quarantined, everytime he felt the urge to leave lol

[fragilemoth]

After the show ended I was squeeling with frustration and anger and confusion, but then I was like "(deep breath) I love this show." harhar.

I never thought about it before until now after reading these posts, that the words Quarantine were printed on the INSIDE, indicating that the OUTSIDE was what you should be cautious about. Certainly makes sense.

I'm very much so interested in the connections of well, everything.

[ericcoaster]

lol, i don't think they would come up with the idea to blow up and hide people in a hatch that said quarantine on the outside

[kinmanpk]

My take on this is that indeed the island is what is quarantined and that Desmond is some sort of guardian to prevent the weirdness on the island from escaping to the "real" world. When the hatch was blown, the alarm went off and Desmond started a sort or reaction ritual including the immunization. Whatever the evil power on the island is, it brought the Lost people to the island in order to use them to penetrate the barrier. The only problem (at least at this point) is why/how did Desmond show up at the stadium to influence Jack and exactly what was the nature of this influence.

Or not.

[ericcoaster]

i think it was the monster/machines job to be the guardian, with it killing everyone it saw and all, lol.

[COMRADPOPLIN]

Indeed it is the island that is quarantined otherwise why is the warning writen on the inside of the hatch if it was to warn poeple on the outside that the contents is what is quarantined then the warning would be on the outside
man love lost its screws with your head so well :)

[Lostinlife3]

totally lol! never a show like it lol!

ok so we've established

1) the island is IN FACT the thing that was quarantined...or so we think

2) Desmond plays his part with the monster, cast etc.

interesting.....

[taurmauk]

Yeah, I think the Island is quarantined.
I think desmond has the sickness that the woman described, I mean think about it.
Her and her crew were there for a long time before they all "went mad" she says. I dont think she explains how they die, so I dont think the sickness is physical i.e. fatal. But I thinks it messes with your head and makes you insane. Also the longer you are exposed to the Island the worse it gets, therefore, desmond quarantined the Island, and because he is already infected has to take a serum to prevent the sickness.
Also I know what you are thinking, if my theory were true, then the french woman would be mad by now.
But think about it, did she ever mention that any other members of her team were women? maybe the sickness only effects men, thats why the flash of light appeared when kate lowered and we dont see her downstairs, maybe Desmond is protecting her.
Also, I believe that the writers will work some way for Desmond to have been down there sinse the late 70's. But we really have not been informed how time exactly works on the Island.
I only dont understand why he appeared at the stadium, and refering jack as "brother" has meaning too, otherwise why write the word into the script. You could say for jack to recognise him or remember him, but the conversation at the stadium, the events that day with his "to be" wife and his scottish accent would be memorable enough. Brother has some other meaning.

Just my 2 cents...

[Lostinlife3]

[QUOTE=taurmauk]
Also, I believe that the writers will work some way for Desmond to have been down there sinse the late 70's. But we really have not been informed how time exactly works on the Island.
QUOTE]

But he saw Jack AFTER the 70s so how could he have been down there?

[tard]

Did anyone else notice the font and color of the word Quarantine was different in the previews than in the 1st episode. The previews showed red or orange letters and the 1st episode they were all black. Don't know what this means, if there is another door somewhere or if the producers were playing with us.

what dis?

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[taurmauk]

I also said just after that I dont know how he could appear, but you could create a million theories probably.

for example :

I seen no sense of recognition of Jack in Desmonds face therefore, as far as desmond is conserned, those events could not have occured yet, maybe as far as desmond is conserned he hasnt been down there long and its still the seventies, there could be many reasons he appeared at the stadium. Infact, he didnt really act like a stranger to Jack in the stadium.

[Lostinlife3]

wow ur right!!!

here i stuck the HTML codes for the pics on my old xanga: view them here:
http://www.xanga.com/writer616

[Burninator!]

in reference to the bagua symbol, anyone seen this??

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/table.html

[taurmauk]

Also just read the Walt thread, the one thats pinned, and he speaks backwards, somehing about a button, an effect of time not working properly? maybe...

[wherearewe?]

I also said just after that I dont know how he could appear, but you could create a million theories probably.

for example :

I seen no sense of recognition of Jack in Desmonds face therefore, as far as desmond is conserned, those events could not have occured yet, maybe as far as desmond is conserned he hasnt been down there long and its still the seventies, there could be many reasons he appeared at the stadium. Infact, he didnt really act like a stranger to Jack in the stadium.


maybe desmond has a twin? or "the others" may have erased his memory.


my LOST forum:
http://wharearewe.proboards50.com/

[andrewbash]

maybe desmond has a twin? or "the others" may have erased his memory.
I think Ethan was Desmonds acomplice (if thats the right word for it)

[LeChez]

Desmond said he almost became a doctor. Why almost? What caused him to stop? Maybe that has some relation to all this, maybe he made some sort of discovery.

He also said he was getting ready for a run around the world, or something like that. He was training for something important, but not being specific about it. It sounds like going to the island had been planned for some time.

[Lostinlife3]

not to be rude or obnoxious but what does running aroudn the world have to do with going on an island? how does that have anything to do with him planning it?

[BigB]

We should be clear that he has new dryers and laundry detergent. He hasn't been down there since the 70's.

[Doogz]

2 more observations nobody seems to have mentioned.

1) During the Desmond intro sequence, we see a shot that looks like a diner, complete with blinded windows? Light shining thrrough and everything?!?

2) Why are Kates shoes neatly put to one side? Is she really that well mannered?

[Ryall2000]

Two Theories

1) Maybe the guy in the stadium is not the exact same person as the person in the bunker. Desmond gives Jack a hint - "Lift It Up" and when Jack doesn't make a connection, Desmond refers to Jack's ankle, and then leaves. As though he was trying to tell Jack something that he will need to know later on, similar to the message "Walt" (quoted since we don't really know if it was Walt). Also, we did not see Locke go down the hatch.

2)In response to someone else's post, regarding a government "particle accelerator" perhaps they found a way to accelerate humans where they could move at near the speed of light...like the black cloud in S1 final episode...crazy I know..but would explain Desmond being in training to race around the world, and how he could be in two places at once...

[splendidbob]

Ok, heres my take:
1)the island is on the inside, the tunnels etc are on the outside, the quarantine is the island (inside)
2)"running around the world"- training to, refers to desmonds job (whatever that is) around the island, he has to exercise and stay fit to be able to move around the outside of the island quickly
3)the injection is a precautionary measure perhaps, desmond isnt infected, but the injection serves as a second line of defence should the quarantine be broken.

This explains the hatch / desmond.

Dunno about the rest.
I got the impression the crappy old computer was for some kind of communication with someone / something

[Ryall2000]

watching Desmond type in slow mo...looks like he only uses the top row (numbers) and space bar. when the hatch gets blown off, he opens the combination lock with the last 2 numbers being very close or on 23 and 42.

[Shannon]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but do you think the island and the survivors of the crash are whats quarantined? Danielle's team was 'sick' so she killed them. Maybe Desmond was in the hatch to protect himself from their 'diease' and the injection he took was a vacine.

What do you guys think?

[mipac]

im with the whole outside is where the bad things are idea

[Willow the Entwife]

I just thought of that, too. The others getting sick. That black smoke has got to have something to do with that.

[lost in youreyes]

perhaps he, too, was marooned on the island and happened upon the hatch. obviously that underground thing has been there for SOME TIME now. the question is, how does he keep getting those meds, unless he produces them IN the hatch.

i think he is definitely in charge of the "monster" though.

[Sauron]

The Island is and Island in the middle of the pacific, period. I think people are starting to be too unrealistic, too far fetched, as many mysteries as LOST may have, its still in a real world. There are certain things that are just meant to be normal

[lost in youreyes]

well then, mr. sauron... what's the "normal" answer?

[UConnBigO]

I really think that people are reading too much into this, and I dont think desmond really controls the evils of the island simply because, what else happens on this show if he controls the monster? How the hell would locke jack and kate get out of the hatch without killing desmond, I think desmond will be an ongoing character like the french woman, who we dont quite trust but dont think is evil/in league with the evil on the island. they cant answer too many questions this quickly

but i think the magnetism in the bunker there is a huge thing. It is blatantly shown to be sealed into the wall quite sloppily, like it was added after the area was first built. What i mean is the walls are carved into thick rock, jack looks at the ceiling and its solid rock, theres pipes going through the rock and stuff, then he gets to this wall with holes and random steel beams cemented into the wall, with cement buckets at the bottom, all sealed up. what is in there is going to be major I feel

also, i really dont understand the room he is currently in, with the windows on the roof, its underground, so why are there windows there? with no light or anything, just darkness. I believe desmonds living space with the brown light coming in is all fake to make him feel like hes not locked underground for a long time, so he doesnt go insane too quickly, but that other room is wierd man

what do you people think about these things? the magnetic force cemented into the wall to be specific

[Killing_Spree]

What if Desmond is highly dangerous, in that he has special powers so the government or someone had to exile him to an island and build a biome for him underground so he could survive. The government put this security system onto the island to make sure no one opened the hatch. In the finale episode for season one, Locke almost gets pulled down a hole by that thing. That thing (security system) was trying to get Locke because Locke was going to open the hatch.

Oh and maybe one of Desmonds special powers is to heal people? After he talked to Jack, the girl could move her toes.
Then before Locke got to the island, he was paralyzed from the waist down but when he got to the island, he wasn’t. Just a thought.


Darn ..... That was My theory,
:rolleyes:

[darth_coolius]

Maybe the thing was pulling Locke because he was chosen by Desmond to come down and join him or something. Maybe he was the first to finally be "ready". Because Locke had that epiphany whilst he was being pulled and wanted to go. So maybe while he was shouting into the hatch before, he got Desmond's attention.

[Vegeta]

2 more observations nobody seems to have mentioned.

2) Why are Kates shoes neatly put to one side? Is she really that well mannered?

A few years back, when mad cow disease surfaced, anyone entering Australia from the UK had to remove their shoes and have them cleaned for toxins etc.

Just a thought....

[Portal]

Desmond is not dangerous, he's actually quite mundane, he sleeps cleans his dishes, excersizes and listens to soothing music. I think he is quite sane, and knows a great deal.... My opinion is he is sheltering himself from the outside of the island with outside help as he is getting regular supplies. From what I gather he is vaccinating himself from an unknown, and is in charge of monitoring and keeping a science experiment going...... Now where I'm confused is, "If they are all in the 21'st century, and he is getting supplies readily from outside then why does he still have archaic 70's computer equipment??? If science is his job, and he's in the 21'st century And has access to the modern world then why don't he have a pentium??????????????
So I'm led to believe there is a time warp thingie goin on here where timelines don't have a purpose or meaning, and maybe he's meeting Jack for the first time here, and later meets him at the stadium and repays him by healing the girl for somethin jack does here.......... Locke is walking, maybe Locke looses his ability to walk after the island! I just think Desmond has no idea who Jack is while he's toting that gun.
Time Travel People!!! All the inconsitencies of this show deal with offsets in time...
Maybe the flashbacks are flashfronts......... There is also a flash of light at the top of the stairs a second before Desmond appears in the stadium, maybe te travelled through time to that spot! My theory is also that Desmond could of been on the slave ship from its origins only cause of his accent....... Regardless my head is hurting ouchies..... but mark my words this whole thing has to do with time travel and things don't happen in chronological order like w'ere led to believe....

[Voronwe]

Desmond is not dangerous, he's actually quite mundane, he sleeps cleans his dishes, excersizes and listens to soothing music. I think he is quite sane, and knows a great deal.... My opinion is he is sheltering himself from the outside of the island with outside help as he is getting regular supplies. From what I gather he is vaccinating himself from an unknown, and is in charge of monitoring and keeping a science experiment going...... Now where I'm confused is, "If they are all in the 21'st century, and he is getting supplies readily from outside then why does he still have archaic 70's computer equipment??? If science is his job, and he's in the 21'st century And has access to the modern world then why don't he have a pentium??????????????
So I'm led to believe there is a time warp thingie goin on here where timelines don't have a purpose or meaning, and maybe he's meeting Jack for the first time here, and later meets him at the stadium and repays him by healing the girl for somethin jack does here.......... Locke is walking, maybe Locke looses his ability to walk after the island! I just think Desmond has no idea who Jack is while he's toting that gun.
Time Travel People!!! All the inconsitencies of this show deal with offsets in time...
Maybe the flashbacks are flashfronts.........

He calls Jack "brother" thus he knows him.

[Portal]

brother is a slang term..... I call people brother and theres no blood relation...

[Francis87]

Hey First post, any wayz herez wat i think about desmond, the hatch has the numbers that hurly was on about.. i reckon there serial numbers.. for different hatches placed on the island for different reasons or purposes.. the reason y desmond is taking the drungs so that he can actually live in the one room for how ever long he has been in there... or if there are other hatches maybe they all hav different purposes and therfore the drug inhances them to perform there task... as far as we can see desmond is surrounded by computers and weapons.. so he is some time of administrator of security on the island...

So if this is wat is happening then i u could come to say that the island is one big experament and that desmond is like .. uhmm.... a scientist or something who is keeping the experament under controll..

[PirateFins]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Click the link and look at the Literature and comics. Several of the books written in this style have relevence to the show. One of them is The

Andromeda Strain- After a US government satellite crashes near the village of Piedmont in Arizona (New Mexico in the movie), the disease kills all but two of the town's inhabitants. An elite scientific team takes the satellite into a secret underground laboratory in Nevada, known as the Wildfire Complex (Wildfire), in order to study it. The vector mutates into a form that degrades rubber gaskets, however. This engages an automatic mechanism designed to set off a nuclear weapon beneath the complex, eradicating all traces of the disease before it can reach the surface. Unfortunately, it turns out that the alien disease would thrive on such an enormous energy source and mutate into untold numbers of forms. In a nail-biting conclusion, one scientist races to shut down the bomb before it can detonate.

Also is "Watership Down" referenced in the show

And "The Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" -
He relates the story of a race of hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings who built a computer named Deep Thought to calculate the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. When the answer was revealed as 42, they were forced to build a more powerful computer to work out what the Ultimate Question actually was, but their plans never come to fruition. (Later on, referencing this, Adams would create a puzzle which could be approached in multiple ways, all yielding the answer 42.)

[Turd Ferguson]

Hey First post, any wayz herez wat i think about desmond, the hatch has the numbers that hurly was on about.. i reckon there serial numbers.. for different hatches placed on the island for different reasons or purposes.. the reason y desmond is taking the drungs so that he can actually live in the one room for how ever long he has been in there... or if there are other hatches maybe they all hav different purposes and therfore the drug inhances them to perform there task... as far as we can see desmond is surrounded by computers and weapons.. so he is some time of administrator of security on the island...

So if this is wat is happening then i u could come to say that the island is one big experament and that desmond is like .. uhmm.... a scientist or something who is keeping the experament under controll..

That's what I've been thinking, that Desmond is managing an ongoing experiement in that location that dates back to the 70s. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's *been there* since the 70s, however. It's possible that he took over there after he met Jack in the stadium, and he's only been there for four or five years on a ten-year assignment.

That's an important point: WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE ISLAND. Sayid never completed his circuit of it, so we don't even know how big it is. For all we know, Desmond has supply ships arrive regularly on the other side of the island from the survivors.

The vaccine is to provide immunity when he *does* go outside, into the jungle, into the infected areas. The reason the hatch is marked with "QUARANTINED" leads me to believe there are *multiple* hatches that lead to areas of the island where the hallucinogenic bioagent or whatever it is are in stronger concentrations than others. Keep in mind the hatch they blew open was deep in the jungle. If there were a hatch located in that open plain where they played golf last season, it might not be marked similarly.

In another thread someone mentioned that these island experiments might've had more than one location. Perhaps this experiment, and this island, are identified by those particular numbers. That would explain the numbers on the hatch and the numbers on the vaccine vial.

But if Desmond is getting regular supplies, I have no idea why his electronics are so old.

Turd

My take on this is that indeed the island is what is quarantined and that Desmond is some sort of guardian to prevent the weirdness on the island from escaping to the "real" world. When the hatch was blown, the alarm went off and Desmond started a sort or reaction ritual including the immunization.

I went back and watched the episode again last night, and Desmond is in the middle of injecting himself when the blast occurs. So it's more of a routine than a reaction to the hatch door being blown open.

It's also interesting to note that he doesn't immediately grab the guns and shut off the lights. Instead, he grabs a uniform (one of probably ten on a rack), calmly but quickly puts on his boots, retrieves the guns, and THEN shuts down the lights. So he knew that he had plenty of time. That should be an indication of just how big this tunnel system is.

I say that, but then Jack seemed to reach Desmond's personal space pretty quickly once he was down there.

I just realized that if this biodome/island thing were some kind of secret government operation, chances are supply runs to the island would be secretive.

That is to say, even if the gov't people supplying the island were aware of the survivors, they might not necessarily save them--how would they explain why they were out there to discover them in the first place?

Just a thought.

Turd

[Lostinlife3]

It's also interesting to note that he doesn't immediately grab the guns and shut off the lights. Instead, he grabs a uniform (one of probably ten on a rack), calmly but quickly puts on his boots, retrieves the guns, and THEN shuts down the lights. So he knew that he had plenty of time. That should be an indication of just how big this tunnel system is.




thats a good observation....apparently it seems like hes not as paranoid as we all make him out to be.

[lazycalv]

First post so, hey everyone.

So i just wrote a long post which took me about half an hour an my IE crashed!!! so i'm jus gonna make this pretty short now!

Desmond is jacks brother? basin all this on jacks dads, depression, drink, runnin away


jacks dad had an affair, did / or didn't know about desmond, desmond grows up, finds his dad, jacks dad doesn't know what to think/do etc, gets depressed, becomes alcoholic, runs away.
or jacks dad does know about desmond, keeps him a secret, hence desmond sayin he was nearly a doctor, jacks dad lives double life, one with jacks family, one with desmond, can't handle it anymore, alcoholic, runs away, lol
desmond says "see you in another life" i think? so maybe he knows jack is his brother but can't say anything because he knows it'll destroy him or whatever. so desmond accepts he'll never get to know him but maybe in a next life, u never know.
thats my view on what happened in the stadium anyways. i don't think desmond was projecting himself or time travel like someone said, in my opinion, he was there for real.
Now, as to how desmond got on the island here's my opinion
he said something about runnin round the world, maybe he's doing this run/tour, whatever, an he just can't do it anymore/gets injured/lost - whatever he just isn't doing it anymore.
Now, i this is a bit farfetched but maybe he meets the french people (danielle) and them in Tahiti? (is that where they set off from? not sure) an somehow goes with them, thats how he gets on the island - pretty unlikely i kno, but maybe they haven't actually been there 16 years like Said says they have.
im not actually sure how he got there just, he's there lol
so once he's there here's what i reckon
the island could be a nuclear bomb test are - like someone else said. something goes wrong, people have to go in these quarantine pods or hatches whatever.
now there are two bunks in desmonds hatch so im guessin there was someone else with him, i dont think it was ethan tho it could be, with all the weights down there an the possibility the injected stuff is stereoids like someone said but, i dont really agree with this, i dont think ethan was down there. but someone else was - maybe their dead/gone outside whatever
ye so desmond in there because of radiation or....
oh sorry forgot something, the vaccine that desmond uses could be to stop radiation poisonin' from the bombs, i know they don't have such a thing (i think?) but hey, its a show
ye so as to the other idea about why desmonds in the hatch, could have been an outbreak of a deadly virus being tested, the quarantine hatches are to get away from the virus, when something went wrong, an the vaccine is to stop the effects
right, uuuhh, i don't think desmond got in the hatch the same was as lock an them coz there was now handle on the outside so there's gotta be another way in, maybe a tunnel linkin to other hatches, little community down there, lol, farfetched again (pretty much all this is tho)
ummmm, the 70's thing, desmonds not been there since the 70's doesnt fit in with the stadium and how old they look etc. i think the hatch may have been built in the 70's/ or earlier dont know. when were they testing nuclear bombs? not sure, maybe it was built then, updated until the 70's, when something went wrong and nobody goes to the island anymore and nobody says anythin about it coz its classified, bad press etc, hence no one comin to rescue them, find them, because the island doesnt exist on any maps?
uuuuuhhhhh, whats happened to kate? i aint got a clue, didnt know they were her shoes, well done whoever knew that, maybe desmonds keepin her prisoner, he aint seen a woman for years, this guys gonna be a little frustrated lol. an evangeline lilly is god damn fiiiine lol, jokes. this aint gonna happen.
someone said something about the disease danielle was talkin about only affecting women and desmond knows this and puts her on her own or something, didn't think of that, could happen. i reckon he's jus tied her up coz shes gone down first an then lockes come down an desmonds come out to get him, then jack comes down before he's tied lock up. sounds a bit more sensible to me.


don't know anything about the magnetic force thing, clueless. i reckon it just an electricity generator or something though, in my opionion it won't be significant but, sayin that, it'll be the whole centre of the show now!!! lol

my minds gone blank now so i'll leave it at that.

calv :D

[char]

ha, i just seen how long it is, i was supposed to keep it short but i guess i got carried away!!

oh, an i just seen there's a desmond thread aswell, guess this belongs there, sorry, was just eager to say what i thought before i forgot!

calv :D

i think desmund is resonsible for the plane crashing , think about the magnets in the hatch/cave , and remember the first eps when they tried to find where they where but the compass etc failed to point to north(magnet interference).
And when this could be felt over the hole island , then it could just as likley kill the autopilot or somthing in the plane , making it crash.
Another this is the timed rain(rigth before they find the hatch) so i think the island may be a experiment and the hatch the lab.

There is a modern Maytag Neptune washer/dryer set in the "hatch". That indicates he hasn't been sealed in there since the 70s regardless of the otherwise retro decor.
maybe he just likes retro :D

[Harmonie]

There has to be another exit cause how did they get all that stuff in there? Maybe all those other people are down there and Desmond being the doctor he wanted to be is taking care of them all.

[Lostinlife3]

i really doubt it.....Desmond didn't come across as a ver helpful man (or at least to me he didn't, with him holding a gun to Locke and all)

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Here is a definition I found -

Sense of "period a ship suspected of carrying disease is kept in isolation" is
1663, from It. quarantina giorni, lit. "space of forty days,"

Isn't it supposed to be exactly 40 days since they landed on the island now?

So perhaps until now they have been 'kept in isolation', but now the 40 days has past so they are being allowed OUT of their quarantine to interact with Desmond and whatever else is on the island.

[Captain Panda]

Well, he definately had a computer and electronic equipment. However, they looked older (noticed the old school tape thingys), which would imply that they've been down there for a while? But not necessarily HIM.

Old school tape thingys?

Those "thingys" are actually in use around the world today, they are great for backing up vast amounts of data, I don´t work much around them but I have seen huge backup tape recorders(much bigger than that one) and I work at one of the top three IT companies in the world.

[jpl1408]

I taped the season premier on DVD. I was curious what the drug was that Desmond was injecting so I went frame by frame. No drug name printed on the bottles, but guess what numbers are printed on the label? 4 8 15 16 23 42. Of course.

[Lostinlife3]

what is up with these numbers!?!?!?!?!?!?! its driving me crazy!!!!! lol

on the hatch, the injections......Desmond is injecting himself with the numbers! lol

[jpl1408]

Old school tape thingys?

Those "thingys" are actually in use around the world today, they are great for backing up vast amounts of data, I don´t work much around them but I have seen huge backup tape recorders(much bigger than that one) and I work at one of the top three IT companies in the world.

There is a modern Maytag Neptune washer/dryer set in the "hatch". That indicates he hasn't been sealed in there since the 70s regardless of the otherwise retro decor.

[Mahub]

It says, to be exact:

CR 4-81516-23 42
FOR INJECTION «something»
«something»: Multiple doses «something»
RX-1
«lots of something in small print»

[Lostinlife3]

of course we can't read for what PURPOSE he was injecting himself....that would give it all away! lol

[soumya86]

it says medication for.... sea... something

[00scotty]

Rational explaination time (i hope):

Desmond was in a 'round the world in 80 days event (running around the world). Plane crashes, boat whatever and lands on island. He explores the hatch is open, closes it behind him climbs down, ladder rungs break, he is stuck.

There are books down there (by the bed) and he gets an idea what's going on and to just survive and stay "sane" he exercises, injects himself to avoid getting sick and paints because he is bored.

The magnet, explains the malfunctioning plane and crash, which went off accidentally when he forgot to reset the computer with the numbers. The "pulse" (arrow into the sun in the mural) shoots upin the sky like the light we've seen on occasion.

Can't explain how they met in the past but would rationalize the timeline.

I don't think he knows anything otherwise he could answer all the questions about the monster, others etc and the show would be over except for getting off the island

[ericcoaster]

But what about his eggs and fresh fruit and modern washing machines? He was obviously getting help/supplied from outside the hatch. Also, those magnets would have to be unbelievably powerful to alter a compasses readings throughout the island, let alone bring a plane out of the sky...However, I do think the magnets have something to do with the big answer.

PS- Does anyone know what that black flying wispy thing was that they saw right before the monster pulled Locke into the hole?

[LostinFtFun]

Slow Friday I guess, first time in the forums.

I haven't seen anything mentioning that the man in the hatch (Desmond or otherwise), has been waiting for them to enter for a while.

Back in ep1x19 - Deux Ex Machina, Locke and Boone rigged up that large trebuchet which shattered upon hitting the 'window' on the hatch. At that time, perhaps the individual(s) in the hatch heard this and began monitoring that particular entry point.

Now when the dynamite goes off, most of the mirrors are in place and ready for the individual(s) to monitor the entry of the plane survivors.

Now I wonder if the person(s) down there can monitor conversations on the ground and are playing Locke into building up his 'mystical island' belief. Case in point, when Locke goes back to the hatch at the end of ep1x19 and yells that 'I've done everything, what do you want' (approximate), the ultra-bright security light switches on. It makes the hatch look like it is responding to Locke, which in a way, it was...just not in the way he thought.

Either that, or the person(s) down there just happened to be randomly testing the lighting at the right time.

[Lostinlife3]

Just thought of Something:

It would make total sense to think with all his uptodate things (washer, dryer etc) that he was getting help, well then wouldn't he be aware of the survivors on the surface? wouldn't the people helping him notcie that the main entrance to his hatch had been uncovered? (remember it had been buried)

it being buried also stirs up more questions, how did he get supplies before it had been uncovered? another entrance where's that entrance?

[Turd Ferguson]

Just thought of Something:

It would make total sense to think with all his uptodate things (washer, dryer etc) that he was getting help, well then wouldn't he be aware of the survivors on the surface? wouldn't the people helping him notcie that the main entrance to his hatch had been uncovered? (remember it had been buried)

it being buried also stirs up more questions, how did he get supplies before it had been uncovered? another entrance where's that entrance?

I don't know if I posted this in this thread or another, but we don't know anything about the island. For all we know, the biodome has multiple entrances and exits. The fact that this particular hatch had "QUARANTINE" labeled on it leads me to believe that other hatches might not. If they were all QUARANTINED, then why bother with the label?

The hatch they blew was deep in the jungle, after all, where maybe the concentration of the hallucinogenic agent was stronger than, say, out in the open where they played golf last year.

If this were some sort of secret gov't operation, then the supply runs to the island would also be secretive. So even if the gov't folks doing the supply run knew about the crash survivors, they might very well not help the survivors because they couldn't explain why they were all the way out there to discover them in the first place, and it would therefore jeopardize the secrecy of their experiment.

Turd

[Lostinlife3]

that's awesome if you believe a theory where this whole thing is based on a government operation...but since the Producers consider the Island to be a character on its own without government help i dont consider it truth.

[ericcoaster]

Just thought of Something:

It would make total sense to think with all his uptodate things (washer, dryer etc) that he was getting help, well then wouldn't he be aware of the survivors on the surface? wouldn't the people helping him notcie that the main entrance to his hatch had been uncovered? (remember it had been buried)

it being buried also stirs up more questions, how did he get supplies before it had been uncovered? another entrance where's that entrance?

maybe that's where Ethan, or the people who kidnapped Walt come into the picture...

[A05]

dont know if this has been said before but seeing the quarantine written on the hatch door on the inside made me think. So i went back to episode 14 "Special" of season 1 and there was this image in the comic book.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2120/lostcomic1au.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostcomic1au.jpg)

looks like it has some kind of protection barier around that area, bit confused as to what the thing at the top could be, looks like a small city.

[Lostinlife3]

that picture makes me think of the island itself....the towers seem like the eye of the island and it seems to show the island as its own....that what i think

[Harmonie]

Maybe the quarantine on the hatch door was from something before Desmond came there. And that key was spooky and Jack ran as soon as he saw that like he knew what was going on.

[ericcoaster]

That comic book page looks like atlantis to me. but, it does look like a good place to leave a clue.

[ShinyThings]

This has probably been mentioned before but why was Desmond surprised when the hatch was blown open? I mean the place he lives in is obviously designed to look out at various points on the island. Which makes me think that either he works with others who were supposed to take the shift before him. (Possibly Ethan) Or he's watching other people on the island. I just found it strange that they're all there for a reason and there is this huge underground lab (or whatever) from which it seems like people are watching the island and these guys didn't know that the survivors were digging up the hatch let alone getting dynamite to blow it open.

[Scoobing]

Good point. If Desmond is in control of the 'monster' security system, which has attacked our survivors several times now, you would think he would be monitoring their movements and progress.

[Lostinlife3]

and since he didn't respond the way lots of people would think a guy in quarantine who heard a giant exposion should....we can think maybe he was expecting it???

i dont know....

[ericcoaster]

I don't think the monster is actually controlled by him, but they're on the same side. i bet the monster just kills anyone it sees, to keep people off the island. and i think we can all conclude the monster is a machine also.

[Quiet Tempest]

Has anyone thought that maybe "the monster" is what Desmond has quarantined?

[ericcoaster]

or the polar bears!!!!!!

lol, good point tho.

[Lostinlife3]

the monster a robot why would it be quarantined?

[Quiet Tempest]

Thanks.. It just seems to me that if the hatch is locked from the inside and "quarantine" is written on his side, this should stand to reason for anyone on the inside of the hatch that whatever's on the outide of that door needs to stay there.... Be it other [contaminated?] people, dangerous animals, or a column of black smoke that can uproot trees and tear people apart.

[Lostinlife3]

Be it other [contaminated?] people, dangerous animals, or a column of black smoke that can uproot trees and tear people apart.

lol that made me laugh...man when puffs of smoke can kill people....ya know this show rocks....or we are all stupid enough to believe it lol

[Quiet Tempest]

the monster a robot why would it be quarantined?

Do we have undeniable proof that it's a robot? I can't recall.

[ericcoaster]

i think we know it's a machine, but not necesarily a robot. I don't believe it's whatever is being quarantined though.

[Quiet Tempest]

I know it sounds mechanical, but I'm not convinced.. and I think whatever it is is the reason for the quarantine.

[ericcoaster]

hmmm...in what way could it be quarantined?

[Hungry Joe]

Back to the hatch, I agree with the rest of the island being quarantined. Remember, the french lady said that the Others were the carriers of the disease. I believe that Desmond is not an Other and does not have the disease. He injects himself for further protection. It is the Others that are being quarantined.




I think that the robot is a machine controlled by Desmond. In the beginning of the episode, he woke up to a beeping noise, possibly an alarm tripped by Jake, Kate, Hugo, and Locke as they were making their way back from the Black Rock. When Desmond typed the numbers into the computer he armed the machine which started attacking them. Maybe the machine is there to keep the quarantined Others in line.

[lovinglost27]

okay, let me get my thoughts straightened out (i just read all 9 pages so I wouldn't repeat anything!!)

ALTHOUGH the word "quarrentined" is written on the INSIDE of the hatch, and I beleive that is is meant to refer to the "sickness" being on the OUTSIDE of the hatch, I don't think that necessarily means that Desmond is illness-free. If he was, why would there be such a creepy mural on his wall, with "'eye' m sick" written on it?
Is it possible that the stuff he's injecting either doesn't work, or actually has the opposite effect it is supposed to?
Also I know what you are thinking, if my theory were true, then the french woman would be mad by now.

Did anyone say she wasn't? Her name on this forum for quite a while was simply "the crazy french lady" or some other variation. She's defintely a bit unstable, if you ask me, but whether that's due to being alone for 16 years on a psycho island or because of exposure to something, who knows. One of my friends actually had the theory that it wasn't her team that got sick, but her, and so she killed them off as a result. Creepy, but you never know on this show.
So by the same token, perhaps Des thinks he's safe or not sick because he's down there, but he really is. It reminds me of something Locke said in season one to Jack: "Oh, you're not going crazy. Crazy people don't know they're going crazy. They think they're getting saner." ("White Rabbit, ep. 1x05)

Also: I really thought there were other entrances to Des' lair. After all, when he goes to his periscope, he seems to be checking several different mirror positions, which could quite possibly be reflecting other entrances, before he sees the one the gang is looking down.

[Colonel_Kurtz]

Thanks.. It just seems to me that if the hatch is locked from the inside and "quarantine" is written on his side, this should stand to reason for anyone on the inside of the hatch that whatever's on the outide of that door needs to stay there.... Be it other [contaminated?] people, dangerous animals, or a column of black smoke that can uproot trees and tear people apart.

That's exactly what I'm thinking... it's not the hatch (and Desmond) who's in quarantine, but the island itself.

[ShinyThings]

I don't think that necessarily means that Desmond is illness-free. If he was, why would there be such a creepy mural on his wall, with "'eye' m sick" written on it? .

I was under the impression that that mural was done by Alex. I just figured it was the logical choice. It looked like paint set up for a kid and the only kid that can be down there is Danielle's.

[LoLo]

I'm sorry if it's been mentioned before, but it bothers me... who covered the hatch while Dez was inside? unless there's another exit/entrence. (black rock?)
About the medicine he's taking, I think it's steroids. If indeed Ethan was the other person in the hatch it would explain how come he was so strong.

LoLo :)

[Mr. E]

this whole quarantined situation seems very weird to me (what doesn't on this show ??). First of all, it would make much more sense if the quarantied area was supposed to be what's inside the hatch. If something is quarantied, it's supposed to be atleast in some closed space. But if what's outside of the hatch is quarantied, it has no limits, so what is it supposed to be ? The dark territory ? The Island ? The world ?

Then again, Desmond did take that shot of whatever that stuff was, possibly to protect himself from whatever is outside. Either he is completely crazy (which wouldn't be that hard to imagine), or there is something very wrong with the island.

[Lostinlife3]

i stillcant get why quarantined would be on the INSIDE of the hatch, if the INSIDE was the quarantined thing, its seems that the Island is rather what's quarantined

[ericcoaster]

something on the outside of the hatch was the thing being quarantined, not the hatch itself. and i think the injections have something to do with the quarantine, maybe to keep him from going crazy like the French Chic's crew. If he really is Desmond, that might be why he looks so, uh, crazy and different.

[James87]

Ok what if some higher power (gouverment, NAVO?) quarantined the island, and Desmond is the keeper of save. I mean it would make more sence, people seeing other (dead) people, little boys full of blood and water: there's something really weird going on with that island.
I was thinking... maybe that mad guy from who hurley got the numbers was the FORMER keeper of that place, but he became crazy because of lonelyness... And Desmond is his replacer.
Do you guys think it was planned that Desmond would meet jack? How freaky would that be :D

btw i'm new. The name is James :)

[ericcoaster]

Hiya. I think it would be awesome if this were all some government conspiracy or secret or w/e, and that would work with my "the numbers are a disease/virus" theory. what else can you be quarantined from if it dosn't involve some sort of sickness?

[LOSTMAN]

What about this..
Someone mentioned on another thread that Jack worked at St. Sebastian's(the patron saint of athletes and also was shunned from socitey because he contracted the plague)... and they think that Jack is the doctor there to figure out the disease(don't know about that one, because I'm not too convinced on Jack's thinking outside the box doctor abilities)...
But what about the fact that Desmond was out and saw Jack before he went to the island, and maybe he saw all of these people too before. Then he found out that he had contracted some sort of contageous disease(mental OR physical) and realized that he had been in contact with all these people. So he made sure to move far away and tried to get all those people away from society as well(i.e. plane crash on this island).. He is hidden in a hatch so he cannot affect anyone... And he believes that the rest of these people from the plane have been exposed as well. That would explain why he has things on purpose and looks like he is living his life there. Because he realized he needed to get out of civilization. Those things weren't just 70s, think about IKEA stuff, it kind of looks 70ish... And lots of people still have record players.
That would ONLY explain Desmond being there and MAYBE how the survivors got to the island, but not some of the other things.......

[Raven O'Reilly]

Quit the double posting in here. Thanks.

[lost/wwe fan]

I was doing some definitions for school and I decided to look up Quarantine. And one of the defnitions in the dictionary is a state of enforced isolation. Maybe Desmond is being forced by the Others to stay in the hatch. OR since the word was on the inside, maybe the island is an isolation for evil and tortured souls.

[Noetic]

I was doing some definitions for school and I decided to look up Quarantine. And one of the defnitions in the dictionary is a state of enforced isolation. Maybe Desmond is being forced by the Others to stay in the hatch. OR since the word was on the inside, maybe the island is an isolation for evil and tortured souls.
Another meaning is "a period of fourty days"...

[Quiet Tempest]

hmmm...in what way could it be quarantined?

Have you read the John DESMOND Bernal thread (http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14177)?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-types-of-space-colonies-have-been-proposed.htm

In 1929, Dr. John Desmond Bernal conceived of the Bernal sphere, a rotating space colony with a diameter of approximately 15 kilometers (9.3 miles), filled with air and colonized around the equator, where the rotation of the colony would create centrifugal force to simulate Earth's gravity.

In the 60s and 70s, speculation and research into the possibility of space colonies experienced a renaissance, brought on by the Space Race. One of the most prominent thinkers participating in the design and advocacy of space colonies was Princeton physicist Gerard O'Neill, who in 1969 asked the provocative question, "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding technological civilization?" Throughout the 70s, O'Neill led workshops that investigated several proposed space colony designs in great detail. A NASA Summer Study in 1975 investigated three primary designs, dubbed Island One, Island Two, and Island Three. All three are based on the premise of a self-sustaining, artificial ecology within the station, called an arcology.



http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/1553/colonyart14kw.th.jpg (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colonyart14kw.jpg) http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/8933/bernalbp0ri.th.jpg (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bernalbp0ri.jpg) http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4146/bernalcutaway8005jz.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bernalcutaway8005jz.jpg)

Built to accommodate some 10,000 people, this "Bernal Sphere" space colony would serve as the residential area of a space manufacturing complex. The inhabitants would conduct a variety of manufacturing activities in space – some located within the structure shown here, others in nearby reaches of space. For example, a major industry is expected to be the provision of clean, inexpensive power, generated at satellite solar power stations and transmitted by microwave to Earth.

In the picture, "home" is to be found within the spherical portion. There is more than meets the eye: the visible surface is an outer shell which shields the habitat from cosmic rays and solar flares. This shell is accumulated from the slag of industrial processes, which are carried out using lunar surface material as input. Inside the shell, an inner sphere, almost a mile in circumference, rotates to provide "gravity" comparable to that of the Earth. Residents' homes stand upon the inside surface of the inner sphere.

The structure at the two ends of the axial portion are docking areas and the sites of zero-gravity manufacturing. The flat, paddle-like fixtures radiate away the waste heat of the habitat into the cold of outer space. Nearer to the sphere, the stacked rings are agricultural areas, helping provide for the needs of the workforce. Here agricultural crops, far less sensitive to radiation than humans would be, are grown in the intense sunlight of space. The simulated "gravity" in these areas is about 0.7 that of the Earth; the atmospheres are optimized for the growth of various crops.

The slightly curved plates, arranged in a circle surrounding the sphere, are the second stage in a series of mirrors which bring sunlight into the habitat at controlled hours. At a locus outside the picture, the mirrors of the first stage govern the "day-night" cycle. The second-stage mirrors pass the light at a desired angle to the ring-shaped mirrors capping the sphere. From these last, finally, the sunlight is directed into the interior of the sphere.

In the 1976 NASA Study on Space Manufacturing, habitats of this type, very efficient in their use of materials for shielding, are thought of as next steps beyond more utilitarian structures. An earlier stage of development would involve shielded versions of the agricultural areas shown here.

It is thought that habitats of this type will be technically feasible towards the end of this century, possibly by the early 1990s. One calculation has indicated that with the level of industrial activity which is contemplated for space by that time, and with the means of transportation by then available, construction of such a habitat could proceed in about two months. Accumulation of the shield would take place over the ensuing two years.
-- http://www.l5news.org/bernalspheredetail.htm



What if the hatch is just part of some "space colony" being tested? Maybe when Desmond said he was training for a "world race" was actually referring to a space race? What if the rest of the island is just an extension of the colony?

With that in mind, what if something bad happened on the outside ("island") and needed to be quarantined?

Maybe when Danielle's team shipwrecked, they brought something with them that poses a threat to residents of this colony?

Maybe older visitors to the "island" brought with them a disease? Could the Black Rock sailors/pirates and their captives/slaves have brought a sickness with them? ... hmm.. actually, I still don't fully understand how the Black Rock got there. Hurricane? Eh.. Scratch that one for now.

Maybe the residents of the colony had a science experiment gone bad and had to quarantine it ("the monster"? "the carriers"?)?

[Jpts]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YCH6HIVJ

I hope you people know something about Spansih.
This picture was capture on episode 2 (season1). Aparently there was some experience who went terribly wrong...

This may explain somethng about the quarentine...

[jacobsteel]

sort of looks like the same setup as in "the Hive" in Resident Evil, artificial sunlight behind blinds to prevent the subterranean dwellers from going mad.

BTW --- that song he put's on "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" (Mama Cass / Carpenters) is really good. ;)

[ericcoaster]

Oh wow, never saw that thread. I think that's very possible that they were testing it, but why is Desmond so...crazy? Maybe they were testing the results of people isolated for long ammounts of time. But isn't that what the space station's for? But then again a lot of the stuff he had was from a couple decades ago. Maybe this isn't necesarily have to do with space, testing isolation chambers for future use during biological breakouts. Actually, I think that would be great:

-The government creates a top secret isolation chamber to protect people against nuclear and biological break outs.
-They build a model of one deap underground in an unmapped island with huge magnets to make sure navigational equipment won't work around the island.
-Something goes terribly wrong and a virus really does break out on the island
-Desmond, and/or Ethan, and/or the Others stay in the hatch and make sure the virus or whatever never leaves the island
-Flight 815 crashes, and the survivors build a raft, forcing the others to prevent the survivors on the raft from getting to civilization and infecting everyone else
-The Others get supplies from outside the island to keep Desmond and his team alive, such as food and washing machines from outside the island. He starts taking injections since the hatch is in danger of becoming contaminated.
-Locke, Jack, and Kate come into the hatch

[bullyfrog]

My first post :)

Here's my take on the Quarantine..
As what most has suggested, the island is whats quarantined. And i believe we can already see the effects of the infection. My inital impression was hallucination, but I've come to think otherwise. Lets look at the facts.

1) In the episode where jack finds the cave, we see his flashbacks are about his relationship with his father, on the island he sees his father!

2) When Lock was trying to open the hatch but kept failing, he began having doubts on the islands mistical abilities and looses the use of his legs.

3)Shannon was thinking about Walt when she lost his dog and next thing you know.. she sees walt!

(Here's the part where there may be a little scepticism but hear me out)

4)When Hurley was concentrating real hard on winning the lottery, he won the first prize!

5)When Jack was at his future wives bed, he was praying for a miracle and she was able to wiggle her toes!

This to me looks like aside from gradual loss of proper rational mental capacity(the french chick and i suspect Lock) a side effect is that an infected person unlocks psychi abilities of the mind!

We know that hurley spent alot of time with the Naval guy who gave him the numbers in the psyc ward. My suspicion is that the naval guy not only heard the broadcast but he and (maybe the crew) may have gone to the island to investigate. That got him infected, eventually went crazy and was warded.

When Jack met desmond, he drank from the bottle Desmond offered him and this got him infected which allowed him to 'will' his future wife to recover.

Hurley likewise possesed the same ability except after willing the lottery numbers to come out, and watching his grandfather suffer a heartattack, believed he was jinksed and may have unconsciously willed bad things to happen.

The jabs desmond takes inhibit or control the spread of the infection in him so that he can continue his research. I suspect he was studying the bacteria outside of the island and somehow got infected. To reduce the spread of infection, he left civilization to continue his research on the island.

My take on the island is that its a military research facility to study the effects of long term exposure to the virus/bacteria is on humans and how to harness the psychic ability the virus/bacteria does to humans.

waddya guys think?
Oh yeah..sorry for the long post :)

[1lostlover]

There has to be another exit cause how did they get all that stuff in there? Maybe all those other people are down there and Desmond being the doctor he wanted to be is taking care of them all.

I believe there is another exit to the hatch. Does anyone remember when the 'monster' was about to pull Locke into the hatch, Jack was desperately holding on to him and Kate took one of the dynamite sticks and threw it straight down into the hatch? It didn't blow up directly underneath them as you would expect. It blew up with a black cloud of smoke in the background a great distance away from them. I don't know how the dynamite could have been redirected, or how 'Desmond' did it, but it definitely blew up a several hundred yards away from them.

That leads me to believe that there is another exit/opening to this tunnel. I also read on someone elses post that it could possibly be a submarine?? I thought that was a very interesting idea.

Thoughts???

[ShinyThings]

I don't think it's a sub. I mean it could be but it just seems like its really big. And also Dez's living quarters don't exactly look like a submarine interior. I think its a lab of some sort that probably underlies the whole island. Maybe they were experimenting on polar bears and the bears escaped.

[lovinglost27]

I was under the impression that that mural was done by Alex. I just figured it was the logical choice. It looked like paint set up for a kid and the only kid that can be down there is Danielle's.

Could be, but we have nothing else to suggest a child was ever down there, no toys, no children's clothes, and no real reason for her to be down there, since we don't even know for sure if he is connected with the "others" or not. Just because the picture was childlike doesn't mean it was done by a child. Some people just aren't very artistic.

[LoLo]

I believe the person living with Dez is Dez.
http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14565

[Freckles4eva]

OMg there was this picture of the medicine he was shooting him self with and it freaked me out, the numbers on it were

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42,

IT WAS SO WIERD

[Lostinlife3]

yea it was but of course we all weren't surprised when we found out though right? :D

[J&K]

i think also Desmond has been in charge of the "monster"....

well....i dunno...he didnt seem to be capable of controling anything 'outside' of the hatch did he?...i mean....look at the system of mirrors to the entrance he had even...

OMg there was this picture of the medicine he was shooting him self with and it freaked me out, the numbers on it were

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42,

IT WAS SO WIERD

personally....i know we were promised more involement with hurley's numbers but i think they've gone a bit over the top now...i mean the whole situation was sorta beliveable...allthough i know some ppl didnt belive that it was possible for the plane to go off course and crash like that....and every1 being linked....sure whatever....but 6 seemingly random numbers EVERYWHERE...hmm....i dunno... :confused:

[ShinyThings]

I know what you mean about the numbers, but I don't think it's gone over-board just yet. Especially since we don't know what they're all about, you never know it could be a very plausible explanation. Who knows maybe the guy Hurley met at the nut house who was saying those numbers over and over again, was actually Dez.

[jessejo]

I Thinik That The Cave Must Be The Othe Entrance To The Hatch. I Dont Think It Caving In On Jack And Charlie Was An Accident. I Think That Desmond, Or Whoever Else May Be Living There Collapsed It To Keep The Lost Crew From Going Further Into The Cave And Discovering The Other Entrance To The Hatch. That May Be Somehow Linked To The "adam And Eve" That They Found At The Entrance Of The Cave. It Possibly Somehow Links Them To The Hatch.

Reading These Forums Has Been Really Fun!

[kudzu_kid]

naw...couldn't be... ;)

[Lostinlife3]

possible unlikely but possible...i dont really think there is another entrance to the hatch though, but thats my opinon

[Mahub]

"possible unlikely but possible...i dont really think there is another entrance to the hatch though, but thats my opinon"

If there isnt, then how did they get all equipment in there? And what was the plan for evacuation? You dont build a complex like that without adding multiple points of entry / exit in case of emergency.

[AddictedToLost45]

He's still training for the "race around the world" He wakes up, exercizes, has a fruit smoothie or whatever then injects himself with steriods

[Lostinlife3]

"possible unlikely but possible...i dont really think there is another entrance to the hatch though, but thats my opinon"

If there isnt, then how did they get all equipment in there? And what was the plan for evacuation? You dont build a complex like that without adding multiple points of entry / exit in case of emergency.

he didn't plan on leaving maybe...didn't wanna risk being "infected" with whatever was out there

all his equipment was probably taken down there before it was buried...im not saying there might USED to have been one, but maybe its closed up now

[jessejo]

That Was Just My Guess Based On That Event, No One Really Gave Much Thought To The Cave Collapse ....but Seems Like Everything Is Somehow Related...and Purposful...again, All Any Of This Is, Is Just Speculation...but I Def Think That There Has To Be Another Entrance, To Get Supplies And Like Was Pointed Out Earlier - You Would Want Another Way Out In Case Of Emergency

[Tojan]

I'm pretty sure that if the quarantine sign is on the inside of the hatch, the people outside are the ones in quaratine.

The man inside the hatch, the one you can't see the face of, could be a child
to "Adam and Eve" which they found in S1.
If they died 40years ago, which probably is hard to tell exactly, they could as well have died in the late 70´s.
Maybe they travelled to the island to build their new Eden, some kind of hippie dream,
in total isolation from the world outside in their own selfsustaining biodome.
The kid is now grown up, living there alone.
If you look att the child paintings and listen to the song playing, there's a lot of
word with, being alone, make your own kind of music, song, words, worlds..

Just a thought!

[epi]

Hi! Just want to add to the quarantine debate with a little detail..

The doorway Jack examines right before the light comes on (the one where his key reacts to the magnetism) looks pretty much sealed from the inside to me. Look at the metal bar and the old used cans of concrete.. I think it is definitely barricaded from the inside (i.e. from Desmond's side of the doorway). If it had been done from the outside, the concrete canisters would be on the other side, right? To me, that's a sign of Desmond's wanting to keep something out rather than something wanting to keep him locked in.

The way I figures is... If Desmond was the quarantinee, why would he close that doorway? If you put me in with tons of 70s retro furniture, beneath sea level in the middle of the Pacific, I'd be trying to take my chances with any way out rather than shutting it down.

Opinions?

(by the way.. My first post here. Have been lurking but everyone always beat me in posting theories so I haven't gotten round to do it yet :)

[in_ferior]

you know, assuming something is in fact being quarantined in the hatch... would you put the sign on the outside or inside?

i think the answer is both. if you put it just on the outside, the elements (rain, sun, etc) will beat away at it... eventually fading it away completely. now, when someone tries to get in the hatch, they have to open it. this ensures they will see the quarantine sign when they open the hatch. maybe the sign is only there to scare off intruders. i don't know.. but i have to conclude that whatever was under quarantine, is inside. anyways, how can someone destroy the ladder going down into the hatch if they are at the bottom? they can't. i think whoever destroyed the ladder, sealed the hatch.

i suppose there still could be another entrance into the hatch. could there be a hatch tunnel that leads to the radio tower?

[Hungry Joe]

We know that the Others are the carriers of the virus or whatever it is, not the french lady or her crew, so it would make sense that the area outside of the hatch is quarantined. I think desmond is trying to stay away from the virus.

I don't think Desmond was actually training for a race around the world. He just said that, possibly as a joke or a figure of speech. It will probably have some meaning later on.

[celia]

I'm in the camp who believes it's the outside that is quarantined. That would also be why the people on the raft were not allowed to leave the Island. They have been infected in some way. I'd say the people who came to take them back have something to do with Desmond...they might even live in the hatch with him. There must be someone else with him, seeing as he was sleeping on the upper layer of the bed. Why would he take the trouble of sleeping up there if there was nobody sleeping in the lower part?

Also makes me wonder about Danielle...She's supposedly been on the Island for 16 years without getting sick. Someone said she might not have been infected because she was a woman, but what if it was the other way around? What if there was nothing wrong with the other crew members, and she was the one who went insane and killed them? Could that also be why Kate seems to have been isolated somewhere, because she is a woman and has a higher risk of catching that something?

[elspethelf_]

I think Desmond is the one infected. When you see him taking a bottle out of the medicine cabinet and then injecting himself...maybe he is infected and that is the only medicine that keeps him alive??? or he takes the medicine so he doesn't catch the virus??? because the island is under quarantine??? Then again...I got the impression that what he did happens everyday, like his routine or something??? So why would he have to inject himself EVERY day??? And did anyone notice that the bottle with from the medicine cabinet had CR4-81516-23 42 on it???

Sorry if that's been posted, i haven't read the whole thread. Any way...that's just what I'm thinking at the moment...

ciao!

[Turd Ferguson]

possible unlikely but possible...i dont really think there is another entrance to the hatch though, but thats my opinon

If there were no other entrances, then why does the guy looking through the telescope seem to be checking other passageways, looking for light?

It makes more sense that there are several hatches leading to different parts of the island. He stops when he sees the light and therefore discovers which hatch has been opened.

you know, assuming something is in fact being quarantined in the hatch... would you put the sign on the outside or inside?

i think the answer is both. if you put it just on the outside, the elements (rain, sun, etc) will beat away at it... eventually fading it away completely. now, when someone tries to get in the hatch, they have to open it. this ensures they will see the quarantine sign when they open the hatch.

I believe that if they were concerned about the QUARANTINE label wearing off in the weather, they'd just etch it into the metal, as they did with the numbers.


maybe the sign is only there to scare off intruders. i don't know.. but i have to conclude that whatever was under quarantine, is inside.

That would seem to make sense, but we do know that there is some force/hallucinogenic contagion at work in the jungle--on the outside of the hatch--that supports the "island is under quarantine" theory.

I tend to believe it's the jungle that's quarantined. The injection by the guy in the hatch is in preparation of him dealing with an eminent exposure to the outside. He was shooting up during the explosion, but he could very well make trips outside to check things out every so often, so he gives himself a routine, preventative dose.


anyways, how can someone destroy the ladder going down into the hatch if they are at the bottom? they can't. i think whoever destroyed the ladder, sealed the hatch.


That's an interesting question. What *could* have destroyed that latter from the bottom? Does anybody have a pic of the ladder? Were the rungs blown up or cut?

Is it not possible that Desmond or someone inside destroyed the ladder in response to a threat? Perhaps during the period when Locke and Boone were hammering away on the hatch for weeks?

We know that Desmond (or somebody inside) has taken other measures like walling off certain areas with concrete to prevent intrusion. Or maybe his intent was only to slow the intruders--if the ladder were intact, they could get down there pretty quietly and easily.


i suppose there still could be another entrance into the hatch. could there be a hatch tunnel that leads to the radio tower?

I'm starting to feel like a broken record myself, but we don't know *anything* about the island. Sayid never completed his circuit of it, so we don't even know how big it is, let alone whether there are another 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, or 42 entrances to that complex underground.

I remember in the episode of season 1 where they're going to find that signal fire Sayid or somebody mentioning that it was "five miles inland." This is no small island.

The creators are depending on the survivor's ignorance of much of the island to be able to introduce other survivors from the rear of the plane, after all. They've been over there all this time, and nobody knew.

So the fact that Jack discovers a walled-off portion lets us know that there are other potential entrances, but the bigger clue is the guy with the telescope checking distinctly different locations by changing the positioning of the mirrors.

[JesSickUh]

I'm in the camp who believes it's the outside that is quarantined. That would also be why the people on the raft were not allowed to leave the Island.

Also makes me wonder about Danielle...She's supposedly been on the Island for 16 years without getting sick. Someone said she might not have been infected because she was a woman, but what if it was the other way around? What if there was nothing wrong with the other crew members, and she was the one who went insane and killed them? Could that also be why Kate seems to have been isolated somewhere, because she is a woman and has a higher risk of catching that something?

That's a really good theory IMO. I like the possibility that Desmond is injecting something to keep from getting infected, instead of injecting medicine because he's already infected.

[Escapader]

I have not read all of this, but I was just thinking then... maybe Hurly was set up with bad luck by an individual/organisation so they he knew not to enter the hatch, then once on the island he could relate it to the survivors not opening the hatch. Basically what I'm saying, it's almost as if Hurly is to learn the numbers are bad, and then provide that information to the Losties so that they know not to blow the hatch. Now you've probably read that, and I can almost guarentee you've missed my point, read my next paragraph.

All in all, I'm trying to stress this... if a large company or whatever is in on this, it's not like they can tell Hurly, "don't open the hatch". But by sending him signs that the numbers are bad, it provides a sublimenal (probably the wrong word, maybe "indirect" is a better word) message that opening the hatch is bad. So it kinda provides a way for the "owners" of the hatch to instruct Hurly that it is the wrong thing to do, without directly telling him. As opening the hatch, may not be beneficial to the "owners" so to speak. Hope that makes sense!!! For instance, if the island is some sort of scientific test on humans (I'm NOT saying it is, just to explain my point), they can't actually tell him not to open the hatch, as then he'd know he's being tested.

I don't actually think what I've typed is right at all, I was just trying to put an interesting spin onto it.

[Ironman]

Ok here is a theory... here is this guy on a island and he lives in a bombshelter that is obviosly for his protection.

Now you remember what he said to jack in the stadium. "I was almost a doctor once"

note also what happens to the woman in the hospital. Her legs work again after jack met desmond.

Now look at what happens to Locke...the same thing and everybody survives the crash.

What if this dude is there developing some wonder drug or something being a doctor of sorts. and something went wrong. the side effects might be that you start seeing things. That why they here the others and see the monster. but that dosnt realy explane the pirate guys.

Mabey im full of S*** I dont know :P

[Escapader]

Ok here is a theory... here is this guy on a island and he lives in a bombshelter that is obviosly for his protection.

Now you remember what he said to jack in the stadium. "I was almost a doctor once"

note also what happens to the woman in the hospital. Her legs work again after jack met desmond.

Now look at what happens to Locke...the same thing and everybody survives the crash.

What if this dude is there developing some wonder drug or something being a doctor of sorts. and something went wrong. the side effects might be that you start seeing things. That why they here the others and see the monster. but that dosnt realy explane the pirate guys.

Mabey im full of S*** I dont know :P

I see where you're coming from. Did you notice Desmond gave Jack a drink from his waterbottle, I don't know if that has any special significance (not the fact that he is sharing the drink which is quite normal, I'm saying something more), maybe something was in there?

Maybe flashbacks will show that they all met up with Desmond at some point before the crash.

[Vintern]

I see where you're coming from. Did you notice Desmond gave Jack a drink from his waterbottle, I don't know if that has any special significance (not the fact that he is sharing the drink which is quite normal, I'm saying something more), maybe something was in there?

Maybe flashbacks will show that they all met up with Desmond at some point before the crash.

It seems to me that Locke doesn't feel to comfortable with the gun against his head and why, if he "knows" Desmond does he have the gun against his head in the first place? Would be much easier for Desmond to just ask Locke to talk to Jack.. wouldn't it?

I'm not sure about this Desmond-meets-everybody thing...

[Ironman]

I dont think desmond met the rest of the group. tought it might have been just a fluke.

But the the main problem with my theory is that if he gave jack this virus or what ever then it would be out in the general population. unless he did something similar. He knew Saras name and Jacks so mabey he went to the hospital and did something, so that way he wouldnt need to infect Jack...if thats even the case to begin with :)

[Turd Ferguson]

I dont think desmond met the rest of the group. tought it might have been just a fluke.

But the the main problem with my theory is that if he gave jack this virus or what ever then it would be out in the general population.

It's most likely that Desmond met Jack in the stadium before Desmond's time on the island began. Theories diverge, but most here agree that the scene took place somewhere on the order of 5 years before they meet again in the island underground.

So not only would this virus be out in the general population, but it would be loose out there for several years. This would all be a master plan to get Jack specifically to the island?

[kudzu_kid]

Quarantine

Kudzu’s Facts & Interpretations:

Fact – The lettering was on the inside of the hatch.
Interpretation – Desmond was safe inside, the sign was to remind him not to leave through the hatch.

Fact – Desmond injected himself with something.
Interpretation – Could have been any thing. If he secluded himself from the outside world because of disease, the injection could have been an immunization (like a flu shot).

Fact – The ladder was ripped out from the bottom.
Interpretation – Perhaps Desmond left a loved one on the other side of the hatch, and ripped out the ladder to prevent him self from sacrificing his health to look for his loved one.

[Turd Ferguson]

Quarantine

Fact – The ladder was ripped out from the bottom.
Interpretation – Perhaps Desmond left a loved one on the other side of the hatch, and ripped out the ladder to prevent him self from sacrificing his health to look for his loved one.[/INDENT]

Is that a fact? Does anybody have a shot of the ladder? I can't remember if it was blown up or the rungs were cut, but I thought it looked like it had been done from the bottom, too.

To me, it would seem to be another example of Desmond trying to prevent or slow down people from coming in, like the walled-off corridor, rather than trying to prevent himself from getting out. He might have ten other entrances besides that one hatch, but that was the one that currently had folks trying to come in.

[in_ferior]

Is that a fact? Does anybody have a shot of the ladder? I can't remember if it was blown up or the rungs were cut, but I thought it looked like it had been done from the bottom, too.

To me, it would seem to be another example of Desmond trying to prevent or slow down people from coming in, like the walled-off corridor, rather than trying to prevent himself from getting out. He might have ten other entrances besides that one hatch, but that was the one that currently had folks trying to come in.
i'm going to have to disagree with this pretty strongly. how can you say it is a fact? you CAN NOT stop someone from getting inside by destroying the ladder. it is extremely easy to get some rope or fashion some sort of rope and lower yourself down into the hatch. the ladder being destroyed is to prevent anyone from leaving without the assistance from someone outside.

[Firebreak]

Plus, I recall the hatch entryway to be pretty narrow, one may be able to use the sides of the thing to scale up or down without a rope.

[bibwis tolstarx]

It was slippery metal too--you would have to have some assitance of some sort to get out if you were stuck in--I thought at first the ladder was removed to keep people out, but now I believe it was to keep Desmond IN. If you think about it, if you're used to coming and going as you please (not to mention used to fresh air too), it would be quite easy to get "cabin fever" (not the movie, the restlessness people feel esp when it's too hot or cold to go outside and play).

[Turd Ferguson]

It was slippery metal too--you would have to have some assitance of some sort to get out if you were stuck in--I thought at first the ladder was removed to keep people out, but now I believe it was to keep Desmond IN. If you think about it, if you're used to coming and going as you please (not to mention used to fresh air too), it would be quite easy to get "cabin fever" (not the movie, the restlessness people feel esp when it's too hot or cold to go outside and play).

But doesn't this assume that there are no other ways out of the shelter? Where was the guy looking with the telescope in the opening sequence? Just down that one tunnel?

It appeared that he was looking down multiple tunnels, as if looking for any sign of intrusion.

i'm going to have to disagree with this pretty strongly. how can you say it is a fact? .

I didn't say it was a fact. I said it "seems" like that's what it was for.

If you believe that the ladder was destroyed to keep the occupants of the shelter inside, then do you also believe that's the only entryway?

you CAN NOT stop someone from getting inside by destroying the ladder. it is extremely easy to get some rope or fashion some sort of rope and lower yourself down into the hatch. the ladder being destroyed is to prevent anyone from leaving without the assistance from someone outside.

Yes, it would be extremely easy to get down into the hatch. . . once you got some rope. But if Desmond's intent in destroying the ladder had only been to slow down an intruder, it did end up buying him some considerable time as they went back to camp, got the rope, and then hiked all the way back.

Had the ladder been intact, they would've climbed down immediately after getting the hatch open.

A shot of the ladder would help, if anybody's got one.

[murbot]

I didn't say it was a fact. I said it "seemed like" that's what it was for.

If you believe that the ladder was destroyed to keep the occupants of the shelter inside, then do you also believe that's the only entryway?



Yes, it would be extremely easy to get down into the hatch. . . once you got some rope. But if Desmond's intent in destroying the ladder had only been to slow down an intruder, it did end up buying him some considerable time as they went back to camp, got the rope, and then hiked all the way back.

Had the ladder been intact, they would've climbed down immediately after getting the hatch open.

A shot of the ladder would help, if anybody's got one.



Well, the door to the hatch was closed in such a way to keep people out, not just in. Maybe the ladder was destroyed so anyone who did open it, wouldn't only be slowed, but may be less cautious as they would think there was nobody inside. This would give any hatch insiders the upperhand.

P.S. The Turd Ferguson sketch is one of my top 3 fav's from SNL. :D

[bibwis tolstarx]

I don't know how to copy a pic, but here's a link:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=33

It's harder to see, but here ya go:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=32

I was looking for one from last year, but they didn't have one for the right frame that would have showed the busted ladder--at least not that I found. The only ones I found were from S 2 epi 1.

[Turd Ferguson]

Heh.

Do they have the shot that actually shows the broken part?

Wait, here it is:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=38

[bibwis tolstarx]

Good job--but it goes down farther than the one in the season ender. That ladder only had 2 or 3 rungs left intact--on the ladder we posted pics of, it has multiple rungs. Just another case of the holes in the script I guess.

edit--on seeing it again--it's more like 9 or 10 rungs--my bad!

[Turd Ferguson]

Good job--but it goes down farther than the one in the season ender. That ladder only had 2 or 3 rungs left intact--on the ladder we posted pics of, it has multiple rungs. Just another case of the holes in the script I guess.
It's also too dark to tell whether it was blown up or the rungs were cut.

I'd guess blown up somehow because the left side of the ladder is bent apart.

[Iamjulier]

Its obvious that the outside was the quarantined area… why else would Desmond have an arsenal or weapons at his disposal. The weapons are a source of protection from the outside world.

[EdDixon]

I think some of this may not be related. The bunker was clearly built long ago. The hatch is an escape hatch, and judging by condition of ladder, walls, and ground cover, not used in some decades. This also implies that a separate entrance also exists.

I also expect that the Quarantine label is left over from when it was built, which may be totally separate from its use today.

The large gun stash indicates something more than just observation. Uniforms and logo indicate a larger organization involved. Plenty of power and basic supplies indicated some sort of supply chain.

Ed

[Lostinlife3]

i have a feeling we are still all gonna have to wait til the next few episodes lol

[kudzu_kid]

More thoughts from the Kudzu...

I have seen at least one post suggesting that Ethan may have been in the hatch with Desmond.

We all saw Desmond inject him self with something.

But, has anyone mentioned that the only other needle we have seen (other than the one Sun made from the sea urchin) was the one that (supposedly) Ethan stuck in Claire before kidnapping her.

That would imply another link between Desmond and Ethan.

But it could also be that Desmond ventured out of the hatch (through another entrance) to stick Claire...

Has any one else thought of this?

[Bunner]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, I think I have done all my research....
but, has anyone else noticed the game of Backgammon on the table? It takes two to play...
:)

[kudzu_kid]

So which is the prevailing thought? Were Desmond and Ethan together? Or were they working against eachother?


Am I straying into thoughts that should be on the Desmond thread?

[Bunner]

I have just opened the Desmond thread......we should be there.
Even if its not Ethan, someone else had to be with him, 2 beds.... lots to think about here.

:)

[quixote]

The government quarantined off the island in the 70's after an experiment with a top secret underground supercollider located beneath the surface of the island opened up a cosmic wormhole which allowed a primitive but deadly alien presence to infect the island.

If the Island is quarantined by the government, or any other 'outside' force, for any kind of critical reason, would they not have proper serveillance, and seen the plane crash?

[kudzu_kid]

Sorry for the OT post...

I'll move to the Desmond Thread now... ;)

[ericcoaster]

If the Island is quarantined by the government, or any other 'outside' force, for any kind of critical reason, would they not have proper serveillance, and seen the plane crash?

even if they did, what would they do? they can't tell the public that they landed on a secret quarantined island, not to mention actually saving the people from the island.

[annodomini]

hey, i thought the hatch said QUARANTINE On the inside....i might be wrong, but it wasent written on the top of the hatch was it?

[EdDixon]

hey, i thought the hatch said QUARANTINE On the inside....i might be wrong, but it wasent written on the top of the hatch was it?
It appeared to be on inside of hatch.

Ed

[Emeline]

Yeah but Desmond looked different. Mad/Crazy...really creepy I felt ill. LOL.


Well remember Danielle? She was the same when Sayid found her... Do you think there's a chance that Desmond was in Danielle's team since he said "I was almost a doctor once"? The hatch was quarantined so that makes me think that it was at Danielle's time since the other people in her team got sick. But how come she didn't know about the hatch? Just makes me so confused!

[aurigus]

Well remember Danielle? She was the same when Sayid found her... Do you think there's a chance that Desmond was in Danielle's team since he said "I was almost a doctor once"? The hatch was quarantined so that makes me think that it was at Danielle's time since the other people in her team got sick. But how come she didn't know about the hatch? Just makes me so confused!

Yeah - maybe Desmond was part of the party on her boat or this could have been the expedition he was training for. 16 Years ago was when she said she crashed and about the length of time since Jack saw Desmond for the first time.

[cliaz]

It's simple:

Desmond was on a race around the world, whatever boat he was on prolly picked up the transmission and he ended up crashing on the island. Found the hatch to hide from the others.

There is nothing supernatural about the show, they've already stated that.

The "monster"/Smoke are nothing more than either Nano tech. or something to do with the String Theory (physics).

The magnetic field is part of a particle acc. that was left on the island and is still running.

The others are nothing more than left over military persons who have gone mad because of the long exposure to magnetic fields (it messes with your body's natural magnetic field.)

The injections are a steroid that was used by the military to increase the soldiers and that is why Ethan was so strong.

The plane was brought down because of the strong magnetic field generated by the particle accelerator; the hydraulic system was interrupted by this. (but I can’t figure out why the plane would rip in half.)

The sickness itself is related to long term exposure to the magnetic field.

The really big bird on the last episode last year I can’t explain, maybe radiation.

I’m trying really hard here to find reasonable answers to the show but it’s getting hard. Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with the metric system.

[tommerp]

cliaz: :yourock:

[kudzu_kid]

Is that a fact? Does anybody have a shot of the ladder? I can't remember if it was blown up or the rungs were cut, but I thought it looked like it had been done from the bottom, too.

To me, it would seem to be another example of Desmond trying to prevent or slow down people from coming in, like the walled-off corridor, rather than trying to prevent himself from getting out. He might have ten other entrances besides that one hatch, but that was the one that currently had folks trying to come in.


Perhaps I shouldn't have suggested it was ripped out...only that the bottom was missing and that the top was still there....

[ShinyThings]

There is nothing supernatural about the show, they've already stated that.


So then Locke being able to walk, Jack seeing his father and then finding an empty coffin, Walt reading about polar bears and them showing up and his step-father feeling there's something strange about him, Locke seeing Boone covered in blood, Boone seeing Shannon die, Shannon seeing Walt talking backwards about a button, Jack not tending to the other car crash victim and therefore allowing Shannon's father to die, Desmond telling Jack what if he could fix his patient and then it actually happening, Desmond being the same guy from Jack's past, Hurley's bad luck with the numbers, Charlie having an addiction problem and finding a plane smuggling heroine and probably a bunch of other things we don't know about yet are just lucky coincidences, clever hallucinations and magnet-caused intuitions?

[B-Sharps]

Walt getting mad at his mom, while reading a book about birds and suddenly a bird crashes into the Window, Walt telling Locke not to open the hatch right after he touches him, Locke being able to walk again.

Shannon's father.. what are you talking about?

[sandiegolostlove]

http://driveshaftband.com/

It is a website for Charlie's Band.
This is the 5th paragraph down:

"Speaking of anniversaries, we're sure you're aware that tomorrow marks a very sad day for DriveSHAFT fans everywhere. We can hardly believe it's already been a year since Charlie went missing. At times it seems that it's only been 40 days since the disappearance of Oceanic Flight 815. (Maybe 43, tops.) But to realize that a whole year has passed? Woah. We know you will each have your own way of honoring Charlie's memory. As for us, we'll probably just spend tomorrow listening to the records, looking at old concert photos and remembering all the good times. And sending positive thoughts out to Charlie's friends and family, as well as the loved ones of all the others who were lost on September 22, 2004. "

[cliaz]

So then Locke being able to walk, Jack seeing his father and then finding an empty coffin, Walt reading about polar bears and them showing up and his step-father feeling there's something strange about him, Locke seeing Boone covered in blood, Boone seeing Shannon die, Shannon seeing Walt talking backwards about a button, Jack not tending to the other car crash victim and therefore allowing Shannon's father to die, Desmond telling Jack what if he could fix his patient and then it actually happening, Desmond being the same guy from Jack's past, Hurley's bad luck with the numbers, Charlie having an addiction problem and finding a plane smuggling heroine and probably a bunch of other things we don't know about yet are just lucky coincidences, clever hallucinations and magnet-caused intuitions?

Yeap hallucinations. Remember, they said there was nothing supernatural about it.

[B-Sharps]

i really dont see how they're gonna explain all that

[ShinyThings]

First of all, who knows what kinds of things the producers consider to be supernatural. Telekinesis is a pretty wild but I wouldn’t necessarily call it supernatural.

Second of all, that would mean that the writers added all those strange circumstances and coincides for nothing. I have a hard time believing that so much of the show's plot was created simply to throw us off and make us think of crazy possibilities which will be written off as red herrings.

[ScaryWormGuy]

Okay, I had to play catch up with the DVD's, but am now completely caught up. My two points... #1, when desmond woke up it was dayligh outside... when the crash survivors were going into the hatch, it was still 2 hours until sunrise... hmm. #2, What if there's more to Locke. What if he is in on the deal... he wouldn't let them find the radio transmission, his legs supposedly didn't work, but that can be debated. The island was at one point taking his ability to walk back, but it just stopped? He also wasn't worried at all about being sucked down the hole with the security system. Maybe he knew he would survive. Actually I picture the writers scanning the forums for the best idea and running with it. one question though, in the second plane when Boone was radioing out, was the reply "There are no survivors of Oceanic 8-something" or was it we're all survivors of the crash?

[Si-Fi]

How do you figure it was daylight outside when Desmond woke up ? He is underground and has powered artificial lighting, it could be anytime of the day or night down there !

[Noetic]

So then Locke being able to walk, Jack seeing his father and then finding an empty coffin, Walt reading about polar bears and them showing up and his step-father feeling there's something strange about him, Locke seeing Boone covered in blood, Boone seeing Shannon die, Shannon seeing Walt talking backwards about a button, Jack not tending to the other car crash victim and therefore allowing Shannon's father to die, Desmond telling Jack what if he could fix his patient and then it actually happening, Desmond being the same guy from Jack's past, Hurley's bad luck with the numbers, Charlie having an addiction problem and finding a plane smuggling heroine and probably a bunch of other things we don't know about yet are just lucky coincidences, clever hallucinations and magnet-caused intuitions?
Possibly? May well be that there are things about the island that involve experiments (which induce hallucinations or involve psychic elements), and a certain portion of artistic freedom and coincidences.

It doesn't have to be a scientific explanation in our real world (such as based on technology we have nowadays) because it is still a fiction-based series, right? So within the show, it may well be sicentifically possible to explain visions or hallucinations by some ficticious discovery!

Also, I believe that quote specifically referred to speculations about Lost being about the afterlife, about it all not being real, or Locke being God and so forth, i.e. it is not some spiritual or magical force behind everything, but within the ficticious premise of the show, there are scientific explanations for everything that happens.

Locke being able to walk - His paralysis was never explained medically, why could it not be psychological? That might explain why certain situations bring it back (such as when they looked for the plane - perhaps he was subconsciously afraid of what he would find etc?).

Jack seeing his father and then finding an empty coffin - could have been stress-induced hallucinations, and on an island where you have wild bears, I wouldn't be too surprised about bodies vanishing...

Walt reading about polar bears and them showing up and his step-father feeling there's something strange about him - I think Walt has a gift of sorts, perhaps slight psychic ability and kinship with animals, that is why he can attract them by thinking strongly about them. However I think the bears were already there, Rousseau knew about them and she presumably knew about them before Walt even appeared.

Locke seeing Boone covered in blood - Again I think this is some kind of vision, I believe everything points towards the island involving some kind of experiment with enhancing psychic abilities in humans. That is why those who are already subsceptible to such things [Locke's spiritual calling etc.] seem to have enhanced abilities.

Boone seeing Shannon die - that was a hallucination/vision as well, I thought Locke gave Boone something? In any case both Shannon and Boone seem to have latent psychic abilities, which would also explain Shannon's vision of Walt. It's not scientific in our real world but there are experiments and research done in the area of psy powers, so it wouldn't exactly be "magic" or "spiritual".

I mean, say the island was set up in order to attract and find people with high psychic abilities, and there is a machine there that sends out signals and somehow enhances those abilities, but the experiment went wrong or was forgotten about - that would not exactly be supernatural, surely.

[Escapader]

Jack seeing his father and then finding an empty coffin - could have been stress-induced hallucinations, and on an island where you have wild bears, I wouldn't be too surprised about bodies vanishing...
Heh, I was always under the impression that this was because the airline never wanted the coffin on the plane anyway, but now that I'm thinking about it, why would they put an empy coffin onboard over a standard one, weight maybe? Or maybe the fact that he's not in the coffin, could directly relate to where and why they are where they are?

[Lost_Kitty]

someone said to me that they though no one truely ever dies on the lost. Maybe the dead are akk out there somewhere.

[ShinyThings]

Also, I believe that quote specifically referred to speculations about Lost being about the afterlife, about it all not being real, or Locke being God and so forth ...

I mean, say the island was set up in order to attract and find people with high psychic abilities, and there is a machine there that sends out signals and somehow enhances those abilities, but the experiment went wrong or was forgotten about - that would not exactly be supernatural, surely.

Yeah I had a feeling that that supernatural quote was misunderstood. I totally agree with what you are saying. I was just making a point listing all those occurrences but I also believe that (for example) Locke being able to walk has more to do with the plane crash almost shocking his body out of it's paralyzed state, which has been known to happen before.

I've always believed in the caveman-Ferrari analogy. If a caveman came out one day and saw a brand new 2005 red Ferrari standing in-front of his cave, there is NO way he would even have the beginnings of an idea of what it is. But if I saw a Ferrari now, I would understand. So maybe all that crazy stuff on the island is just a caveman's Ferrari - we don't get it because we don't really even have a concept of it.

Bottom line; I just don't want it to be a cheesy government conspiracy, experimental cloning or nanotechnology.

[nvs78]

someone asked earlier in the thread about the injection that desmond took..
just watched the ep and its labelled 'rx-1' ..
had a search and a couple of things came up..
some type of 'rx-1' formlua, to help with infected fingernails.. (lol)
and this one..
http://www.vitasprings.com/vitasprings/stinger-rx--1-male-enhancement-formula.html

a male enhancement formula.. "stinger rx" ... reckon he's got a heap of girls down there and needs to get into this stuff?.. lol

haven't been on here long, so if you're a humourless bunch, sorry for this silly message :)
however, being lost fan's, you can't be all that different from me..
looking forward to my next download..
not waiting til next feb to see lost 2..
no way in hell.
lol

[jessejo]

reading all of these about the quarantine is making me think that the first scene with desmond isnt happening in the same day, i might actually believe that it is the day of the plane crash, that he plasters up that hole by the magnent when the cave collapes on charlie and jack cause he is afraid that they will walk down into the cave and discover the "other" entrance to the hatch

[Noetic]

I've always believed in the caveman-Ferrari analogy. If a caveman came out one day and saw a brand new 2005 red Ferrari standing in-front of his cave, there is NO way he would even have the beginnings of an idea of what it is. But if I saw a Ferrari now, I would understand. So maybe all that crazy stuff on the island is just a caveman's Ferrari - we don't get it because we don't really even have a concept of it.

Bottom line; I just don't want it to be a cheesy government conspiracy, experimental cloning or nanotechnology.
Yes I agree, the caveman thing is a good analogy.

I also hope it isn't just some conspiracy thing, of course it can be a corporation etc. behind it but why would anyone conspire to attract THOSE SPECIFIC people to the island? I believe they are linked, perhaps through some latent gift, but I do not think it was a conspiracy to lead those specific people there, or anything like that.

[LtCarter47]

Maybe the thing was pulling Locke because he was chosen by Desmond to come down and join him or something. Maybe he was the first to finally be "ready". Because Locke had that epiphany whilst he was being pulled and wanted to go. So maybe while he was shouting into the hatch before, he got Desmond's attention.


Good point about that. I'm new here, but I've perused ofther Lost forums here and there, and something that everyone seems to forget is at the end of that episode (The one where Boone dies I think), and Locke is frustrated and puts his head on the window, the bright light comes on. That was never touched on again! Maybe Locke has already been inside somehow and doesn't remember, but his sub-conscious is telling him he has to get back in.

Just a thought....

[Miesman]

Well I am new here, and a dutchie from amsterdam, so I have to download lost :( and the eps are pretty dark....

Isnt the guy just injecting steroids? Since he is working out quite heavily

[bibwis tolstarx]

I hope not! It could be an intense vitamin complex--I would vote for that first. Welcome to all the new people!! : )

[Captain Panda]

Good point about that. I'm new here, but I've perused ofther Lost forums here and there, and something that everyone seems to forget is at the end of that episode (The one where Boone dies I think), and Locke is frustrated and puts his head on the window, the bright light comes on. That was never touched on again! Maybe Locke has already been inside somehow and doesn't remember, but his sub-conscious is telling him he has to get back in.

Just a thought....

Interesting, have´nt thought about it, but that would mean that Desmond would recognize Locke and it seems he does´nt(based on the promo). Unless of course there is someone else in the hatch and they brought Locke in there.

Definitely an interesting theory.

[lovejuice]

didnt he say something like 'I did everything you asked of me'
maybe he has been in -
maybe the promo of 'is it you' - or whatever is from a flashback of season one when he went down there, was keyed in on some shit
OR he had that dream of the plane, maybe he has been here before in some form or another

[Captain Panda]

didnt he say something like 'I did everything you asked of me'
maybe he has been in -
maybe the promo of 'is it you' - or whatever is from a flashback of season one when he went down there, was keyed in on some shit
OR he had that dream of the plane, maybe he has been here before in some form or another

Well Kate is in the promo too...so I don´t think that the promo shows a flashback from that episode.

[shuurajou]

Are there others in the hatch.. why mark the door quarantined? Does he need reminders?

There are possibly others living within the network of tunnels down there - maybe there are multiple hatches all over the island, with multiple people down there, and that particular hatch is not safe to come out from.

[Listen to Lenny]

Interesting, have´nt thought about it, but that would mean that Desmond would recognize Locke and it seems he does´nt(based on the promo). Unless of course there is someone else in the hatch and they brought Locke in there.

Definitely an interesting theory.

I would be more apt to look at the less-intriguing theory. Locke, while inspiring, is a little off the deep end with his certain faith in fate. When he returns to The Hatch screaming about doing everything he had been asked, he is expressing what HE believes he has done more than what has actually happened. Meaning that Locke believes the island has asked him to do certain things, but there are no literal events connected to this belief (i.e. he was never taken into The Hatch and given subconsious instructions).

As far as the light coming on, Desmond turns on the light to peer through his telescope in order to find out who the hell has been banging on his hatch and yelling (damn noisy neighbors). Since he has seen Locke's face up close in the telescope he is able to recognize him and asks "Is it you (The damn noisy neighbor)?"

It is not as intriguing or as exciting as other theories, but certainly more feasible than many.

For the record, I think it is probably more than this, but here is why I share this theory. My main principle for trying to figure out mysteries is this: Begin with the most obvious, literal, plain explanation, and then work outward from there only as the circumstances necessitate. It is not necessary for Locke to have been in The Hatch to be recognize or for him to be of the opinion that he has been given instructions by the island.

[LtCarter47]

telescope in order to find out who the hell has been banging on his hatch and yelling (damn noisy neighbors). Since he has seen Locke's face up close in the telescope he is able to recognize him and asks "Is it you (The damn noisy neighbor)?"

You know, I was thinking about this after I posted, I and now that I came back to bring that up, I see you guys are way ahead of me! I think this is probably more likely than Locke actually having been inside.

[jimbo435]

I do not think there are numerous underground residences. Why? Because this one is tied to those numbers. The numbers are on the outside, on the vials, and used to enter data on the computer. It can't be a password, because all anyone would have to do is look at the vials. Also, remember that the numbers were being broadcasted on a radio, since when? The 40's?

Does anyone remember what Hurly found out when he traced where the crazy guy got the numbers? I thought it was the 40's. But I will almost bet I am wrong, and it is the 70's. That would sync up with the stuff inside.

So here is my question. Why would anyone (a millionaire, corporation, or government) build a large underground living environment, mark the (an) entrance with a series of numbers, create a drug, mark the vial, and then broadcast the series of numbers over and over on a radio?

Jim

[shuurajou]

Walt reading about polar bears and them showing up and his step-father feeling there's something strange about him - I think Walt has a gift of sorts, perhaps slight psychic ability and kinship with animals, that is why he can attract them by thinking strongly about them. However I think the bears were already there, Rousseau knew about them and she presumably knew about them before Walt even appeared.

This scares me into whole idea that the entire show might be a dream in the end - please not a show drempt by walt after reading that comic! Although I believe Hurly read that book on the plane before walt knew about it.

[island geek]

I truly believe that he inhareted the island, there were more than one beds,
and if you read the green lantern/flash comic Walt and Hurly were reading
you will see some similar plot devices

[island geek]

Walt conjured a bidr from a book in season 1
what if he is doing the same with the comic

[island geek]

I meant bird

[Si-Fi]

This scares me into whole idea that the entire show might be a dream in the end - please not a show drempt by walt after reading that comic! Although I believe Hurly read that book on the plane before walt knew about it.

I reckon it's a dream by Hurly, after all it's his lotto numbers that are all the way through the series and I think he is so paranoid about those numbers causing him bad luck that he fell asleep on the plane and dreamt all this up !

[LtCarter47]

I reckon it's a dream by Hurly, after all it's his lotto numbers that are all the way through the series and I think he is so paranoid about those numbers causing him bad luck that he fell asleep on the plane and dreamt all this up !

Haha, I think everyone would be pretty pissed if it all came down to a dream!

[DChiDave10]

I was trying to find out if there really are Apollo Candy Bars. No such luck, other than some Candy from Japan, which looks nothing like what Kate ate last night. Then I was thinking, The Apollo flights included Candy for the Astronauts!! Maybe NASA has something to do with the island? Just a thought

[Listen to Lenny]

I was trying to find out if there really are Apollo Candy Bars. No such luck, other than some Candy from Japan, which looks nothing like what Kate ate last night. Then I was thinking, The Apollo flights included Candy for the Astronauts!! Maybe NASA has something to do with the island? Just a thought

It is definitely worth checking into, though it could be a red herring. However, my wife and I both noticed it, and that means that there may have been some intentionality behind having the viewers see/read "Apollo" candy bars. Certainly could have been a place for a product placement, but it wasn't, so you have to at least wonder why for a bit.

[DChiDave10]

It is definitely worth checking into, though it could be a red herring. However, my wife and I both noticed it, and that means that there may have been some intentionality behind having the viewers see/read "Apollo" candy bars. Certainly could have been a place for a product placement, but it wasn't, so you have to at least wonder why for a bit.

There is a reference to Apollo Candy after doing a Google search. It is no longer in produciton. I am trying to find out when it stopped. That might shed some light on how long Desmond has been down there, or at least how long the hatch as been around.

[jOeCooL]

To me the French lady looks more crazy/ill than Desmond. Ian looked crazy/ill to me as well so creepy! Ian was the scariest person in the show to me so far.

[McBoogie]

Could Desmond be Daniells kidnapped son?

[Thurisaz]

Wasn it a girl? Alex??? Never heard Danielle had two babies...Did she though?

[Tifa]

Err Alex is a girl, and she is 16, so to that, i dont think Desmond fits the part, and come on think, whos older? Danielle or Desmond, she cant exactly have him as a son.

[Breeze]

But what if the guy is keeping the island quarantined? Just an off the wall theory.

I'm totally loving the hatch right now XD


Now that they have blown the hatch and found another way to get out, i am afraid no one is interested in closing the hatch, that they blasted. Dont you think it should be sealed back again ?

[Boone_lover]

Well this whole idea of Quarantine is very exciting!!!!

Firstly, i have to put in my 5 cents about people thinkig Desmond was in the Hatch for 30 years. If he was in the Hatch for 30 years he should have atleast afew grey hairs and wouldn't Jack be heaps heaps older!!!

And secondly, I really like the idea of Quarantine being written indise the Hatch and it being locked from the inside. Although we (well us Aussies atleast) aren't quite sure what the Hatch contains at this point, so far it seems alot safer than being out on the island.

This speculation is so much fun!!!!!! :D